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22 Feb 2018 11:52 #1 by MerseysideBlue
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Interesting development for our local papers...

www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2018/news/new...-publisher-cn-group/

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22 Feb 2018 13:31 #2 by ExiledJock
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If you're on Twitter, have a look @CutsQuest for an idea of how they operate.

Don't be surprised if we lose Jon Coleman before too long.

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22 Feb 2018 15:02 #3 by High Street
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I don’t know why they’ve sold it to an organisation called Newsquest. There hasn’t been news in it since 1998.
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22 Feb 2018 16:48 #4 by Mush
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Come on that’s a bit harsh, todays billboard says there’s a frog been found in with the bannans at tescos!

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22 Feb 2018 16:58 #5 by Mush
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ExiledJock wrote: If you're on Twitter, have a look @CutsQuest for an idea of how they operate.

Don't be surprised if we lose Jon Coleman before too long.


Yeah doesn’t look good. They’ve already got a paper in Kendal.

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22 Feb 2018 17:13 #6 by seesaw50
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Well I must be one of last remaining Evening News buyers but since the turn of the year it has taken on a new format and quite honestly its not worth the paper its printed on. Massive adverts, features on Pets, Local gigs, Agony column every night ....stuff they used to put in the Cumberland News Life Section once a week! Very poor. Even Jon Colman had been cut down I'd say!
Don't like it.

Is this the Newsquest effect?

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22 Feb 2018 17:26 #7 by CCU
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No, as sale hasn’t gone through yet...

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22 Feb 2018 19:24 #8 by ParcelPete
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Mush wrote: Come on that’s a bit harsh, todays billboard says there’s a frog been found in with the bannans at tescos!


Paul and his family ?
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22 Feb 2018 20:13 #9 by ExiledJock
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The current Chief Exec left Newsquest to manage CN Group, leading to a wave of cost cutting and redundancies.

And here's Newsquest coming in to pick up the newly streamlined (cheaper) company.

One of Newsquests recent wheezes is to set up Facebook groups disguised as camera clubs and then ask local people to send in photos. They then use them in their papers for free instead of paying the staff photographers.

Expect the News & Star to become even more reliant on entertainment and national news stories at the expense of local content. They might even kill off the N&S completely.

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22 Feb 2018 20:28 - 22 Feb 2018 20:32 #10 by CCU
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They’d be better just doing a twice weekly Cumberland News for £1, Mon and Fri.

Mon would have News from Fri to Sun, plenty local Sport to report from the Weekend, and a pullout for Jobs/Farming.

Fri would have News from Mon to Thurs, previewing the weekends Sport, and could have a ‘Leisure’ Section for stuff happening that Weekend, and a pullout for Houses/Cars.

Simply not enough happens for a paper 6 days a week in these times of instant news!

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22 Feb 2018 20:51 - 22 Feb 2018 20:52 #11 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CCU wrote: They’d be better just doing a twice weekly Cumberland News for £1, Mon and Fri.

Mon would have News from Fri to Sun, plenty local Sport to report from the Weekend, and a pullout for Jobs/Farming.

Fri would have News from Mon to Thurs, previewing the weekends Sport, and could have a ‘Leisure’ Section for stuff happening that Weekend, and a pullout for Houses/Cars.

Simply not enough happens for a paper 6 days a week in these times of instant news!


Not a good day for Cumbria

The standard of journalism on their titles is appalling, fact checking is virtually nil and they are caught out as knowing nothing on a subject by the papers own readers on a regular basis.
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22 Feb 2018 20:57 #12 by seesaw50
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Good call CCU .....but will surely see its demise completely ....eg so normally I'd buy 4/5 evenings @80p plus a CN @ £1.50 = £5.50 per week as against £2 total spend under your suggestion!

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22 Feb 2018 21:00 - 22 Feb 2018 21:01 #13 by CCU
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seesaw50 wrote: Good call CCU .....but will surely see its demise completely ....eg so normally I'd buy 4/5 evenings @80p plus a CN @ £1.50 = £5.50 per week as against £2 total spend under your suggestion!


You’d pick up sales by going twice weekly, as opposed to losing them from the daily...

Oh, and sod the large version too, stick to Tabloid. Far easier to read!

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22 Feb 2018 21:10 #14 by seesaw50
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Mmmmm...not convinced.

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22 Feb 2018 21:20 #15 by CCU
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They need to try something as hard copies sold has been falling for years...

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22 Feb 2018 21:44 #16 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CCU wrote: They need to try something as hard copies sold has been falling for years...


The online could easily subsidise the hard copy edition if they did it right but no paper seems to listen to the readers

People dont go on the site because its jammed up with adverts so they use adblocker so no one sees the adverts so the advertisers stop advertising its smple take away all the adverts that jam up the site and create an interactive on that showas you just a couple of ads on the article that youre reading with the adverts shown being decided by the analitics taken from the stories youre reading and the ads youve clicked on in the past.

Create a site that works with a very minimal cost to advertise to a targeted audience and it would become like yellow pages used to be companies just signed up for it every year because thats what everyone else did.
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23 Feb 2018 12:00 #17 by deepfathom
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So, you can talk sense sometimes NS. Keep it up.

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19 Mar 2018 19:05 #18 by ExiledJock
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Ink barely dry on sale and they've put the printing press staff / support colleagues under consultation. Papers will be printed in Glasgow afterwards. 30 or so staff affected.

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19 Mar 2018 19:43 #19 by seesaw50
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Shocking .....why is this happening

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19 Mar 2018 20:01 #20 by munchymagic
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Shame but how the printed paper organisations are going.

Old people will be affected the most if they have a lack of modern technology but then again teaching my Mam how to work a dvd player or a new remote control and it is was a nightmare, they can actually do it but just cannot be bothered with it, I knew that she hadn't understood it even though she said that she did and next time I went round the old video recorder was plugged back in :)

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19 Mar 2018 20:31 #21 by carwash
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seesaw50 wrote: Shocking .....why is this happening


It's very sad for the employees concerned but it's dictated by the economics of the business. Circulations are falling so it makes sense to rationalise and end up with fewer production sites.

The same thing happened with brewery companies 20-30 years ago as dozens of local brewers were bought up and had their breweries closed. With all these micro-breweries around these days it's only a matter of time before there's another industry shake-up.

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19 Mar 2018 20:51 #22 by NORTHERNSOUL
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seesaw50 wrote: Shocking .....why is this happening


Because the workers were led up the garden path by the previous owners who walked away with a nice little wedge

Only one thing killing local newspapers and that's the cost of advertising. Charge a quarter what they do now and you.ll easy sell four times as much and then offer a further discount if the ads contain money off vouchers so what youre buying is basically a newspaper and thousands of pounds worth of money off vouchers.

People say its down to the internet well the thing is everybody has a web site now so whats the point ? So why dont the online versions of the papers run a trusted tradesmen section and charge a couple of hundred quid to be on it ?

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19 Mar 2018 21:17 #23 by CCU
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News & Star online has always been a shit website mind...

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20 Mar 2018 14:48 #24 by Urban Designer
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How many papers does the Evening & Cumberland News sell now?

The quality is a joke, it used to be good but is more like a tabloid now.

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20 Mar 2018 14:58 #25 by CCU
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I believe the N&S is under 10,000 for the Carlisle Edition now.

As I suggested earlier, a Mon & Fri Cumb News would be enough these days. With the relevant pullouts in both it'd be ideal...

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20 Mar 2018 15:19 #26 by Urban Designer
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10,000 is a lot - 10,000 households is probably 30,000 - 40,000 readers?

Do they still have the the two daily editions?

Wonder how many the Cumberland News sells? Im guessing even more?

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20 Mar 2018 15:52 #27 by CCU
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Can only find first half of 2016 figures on their Website, but this shows sales of 10,000 across both editions.

abc.org.uk/Certificates/48422909.pdf

This was at least double in the mid 2000’s from memory.

Online is big, but the N&S website has always been terrible, even after its revamp the other year.

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20 Mar 2018 16:02 #28 by Tonyhemmings
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Used to get it everyday and the Cumberland on Friday but the price kept going up and the quality went down hill. Only get it on a Monday now for the weekend sport and sometimes Wednesday if Carlisle have been playing Tuesday night.

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20 Mar 2018 16:08 #29 by Urban Designer
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You can get all the football online

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20 Mar 2018 16:15 - 20 Mar 2018 16:23 #30 by Flatcap
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carwash wrote:

seesaw50 wrote: Shocking .....why is this happening


It's very sad for the employees concerned but it's dictated by the economics of the business. Circulations are falling so it makes sense to rationalise and end up with fewer production sites.

The same thing happened with brewery companies 20-30 years ago as dozens of local brewers were bought up and had their breweries closed. With all these micro-breweries around these days it's only a matter of time before there's another industry shake-up.


As regards to micro-breweries the same thing won't happen unless the excise duty laws are changed. Thanks to Gordon Brown large breweries pay more than double the duty of micro-breweries. Prices are similar at the moment because of the use of cheaper ingredients and lowering the abv to reduce tax, by the big boys.

The big companies have already been buying some of the micro-breweries (e.g. Sharps, Camden Town, Bath Ales, Meantime). They then either bump up the price or try to make cost savings resulting in an inferior product.
Meanwhile another micro-brewery opens up in its place, so the big brewery is no nearer in stifling the competition.
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21 Mar 2018 11:02 - 21 Mar 2018 11:03 #31 by CCU
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CCU wrote: Can only find first half of 2016 figures on their Website, but this shows sales of 10,000 across both editions.

abc.org.uk/Certificates/48422909.pdf

This was at least double in the mid 2000’s from memory.


Seems the figure is below 7,500 across both editions now. Just over 5000 in the Carlisle area now...


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21 Mar 2018 11:13 #32 by Unrepentant blue
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It seems to have done the same thing that many brands do when there business is in decline. Cut costs wherever possible to save money by reducing overheads, this has (IMO) lead to a reduction in its quality or at least a period of stagnation.
Result =further decline.
This industry at a local level anyway seems to have accepted its fate. I’m not so sure that it needs to be this way with a more bullish outlook.

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21 Mar 2018 20:19 #33 by ExiledJock
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If you live outside Carlisle, the N&S offers very little. There's no actual on-the-ground reporting of any note that would be of interest to readers in Wigton or Brampton or anywhere else really.

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22 Mar 2018 16:50 #34 by Happyblue
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Although with the rise of the internet newspaper sales have falling drastically, but the editors of the paper never helped themselves, instead of promoting the best writers and candidates most suitable for jobs, Award winning writers were being overlooked for so they could give their buddies the best jobs instead.

Owners like the stadium, full of Sh!T

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22 Mar 2018 18:02 #35 by orfc
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What could the paper offer people in Wigton apart from its sympathy?

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22 Mar 2018 18:50 #36 by Happyblue
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orfc wrote: What could the paper offer people in Wigton apart from its sympathy?

Would have to learn to read first

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22 Mar 2018 18:59 #37 by Dancingbear
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Happyblue wrote:

orfc wrote: What could the paper offer people in Wigton apart from its sympathy?

Would have to learn to read first


Thought you were a inclusive type of bloke Happy?. Fancy upsetting a whole town of people

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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22 Mar 2018 19:29 #38 by Happyblue
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Dancingbear wrote:

Happyblue wrote:

orfc wrote: What could the paper offer people in Wigton apart from its sympathy?

Would have to learn to read first


Thought you were a inclusive type of bloke Happy?. Fancy upsetting a whole town of people

It's a joke , I'm from the area , if anyone else posted this you wouldn't bat an eyelid

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22 Mar 2018 20:43 #39 by Dancingbear
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Happyblue wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

Happyblue wrote:

orfc wrote: What could the paper offer people in Wigton apart from its sympathy?

Would have to learn to read first


Thought you were a inclusive type of bloke Happy?. Fancy upsetting a whole town of people

It's a joke , I'm from the area , if anyone else posted this you wouldn't bat an eyelid


Yeah coz i think you have higher standards than most other posters on here.

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23 Mar 2018 08:18 #40 by ExiledJock
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There's a couple of these tedious spats on the forum at the moment. Like women sniping at each other across the garden fence. [censored] off with it.

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26 Mar 2018 15:40 #41 by ExiledJock
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Anyway, about the paper being sold...
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26 Mar 2018 19:37 #42 by seesaw50
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Mods will you stop the warring ones quoting posts that are gonna take up too much space...this thread has been hijacked

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04 Feb 2020 13:17 - 04 Feb 2020 13:18 #43 by CCU
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Non-Newsquest but in a similar vein, the C&W Herald looks goosed...


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19 Feb 2020 13:29 #44 by CCU
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19 Feb 2020 13:48 #45 by deepfathom
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Slightly odd as the Herald is still being published because the administrators are hoping it is going to be taken over, with Newsquest as one, if not the most obvious candidates.

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19 Feb 2020 14:12 #46 by carwash
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Newsquest will probably make a token offer for the Herald title so they can have on the masthead 'incorporating the C&W Herald'. I'm old enough to remember the London Evening Standard doing exactly the same thing when they bought the Evening News. Newsquest won't want to inherit any of the employment related liabilities for the Herald staff.

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19 Feb 2020 14:15 #47 by deepfathom
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' Newsquest won't want to inherit any of the employment related liabilities for the Herald staff. '

...of which there are many and varied!

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20 Feb 2020 12:33 #48 by deepfathom
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The new Cumberland and Westmorland Gazette isn't going to be published after all as the Herald is likely to be taken over, but not by Newsquest.

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20 Feb 2020 12:48 #49 by hampshire_blue
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From what I've read on Social media this morning, the N&S were asking memebrs of the public to go down Hammonds Pond this morning to ask the Police what was going on then report back to the Journos. If they can't put reporters on the ground then what hope do you have of truthful reporting. Surprised no one has said Corbyn did it yet.

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20 Feb 2020 13:09 #50 by Mullen103
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Sadly a lot of of good experienced journalists have left/redundant so there’s no one to go out and do the investigative journalism and ask the public as it’s free.

I was only there over a year and got out when Neeswuest took over. All about money and advertising but soon there’ll have nothing to sell as there’ll be no content.

At least we’re not Stockport

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