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22 May 2018 19:14 #51 by mattcufc
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Paid £3.60 for a half in Harrogate today. Was warned before she poured it but was well worth it. Being in brewdog in Leeds and Sheffield again beers expensive but worth it
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22 May 2018 19:33 #52 by melbourneblues
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ParcelPete wrote: Not easy to turn around a pub thats been in decline for decades but it can be done,the reiver being a prime example,must be one of the best local's in Carlisle.


I agree, they’ve done really well and it was a great idea to tap into the thriving gay community in Yewdale.

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22 May 2018 19:56 #53 by mattcufc
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I’d say the un/success of the new harraby inn will be watched by a few before deciding what the next steps are for out of town boozers

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22 May 2018 20:49 #54 by ParcelPete
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melbourneblues wrote:

ParcelPete wrote: Not easy to turn around a pub thats been in decline for decades but it can be done,the reiver being a prime example,must be one of the best local's in Carlisle.


I agree, they’ve done really well and it was a great idea to tap into the thriving gay community in Yewdale.


See you in there Saturday. :kiss:
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23 May 2018 04:24 #55 by NORTHERNSOUL
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mattcufc wrote: If it’s that easy take it on. Been in pub management 16 years now and get asked all the time why I don’t take my own place on, and also being offered 3or4 pubs on good terms. Somewhere like th currock is fucked, no parking, reputation, uninviting, etc. All well and good people saying they would go if it was better which is why pub companies do them up but when The punters don’t return it’s a vicious circle


But put me right if i.m wrong Matt but hasn't all your experience been limited to pubs like Lloyds and Wetherspoons which is a completely different game to taking on and turning around a community pub like the Currock but in most cases, it comes down to the pub owners in most cases Breweries or Pubcos wanting to see them closed as pubs and sold off with a covenant in place to protect their other sites locally from someone buying it doing it up and being so successful and it having a detrimental effect on their other pubs.

Down here Thwaites have closed down literally hundreds of their former pubs and as soon as they do they immediately put them onto the market either by private sale or into auction but always with the covenant in place and they won't budge on it I and a partner offered them 20 grand above the asking price on a certain site and still they weren't interested.

Theres really very little gamble involved because at the end of the day if it doesn't work you can shut it and sell it off for housing usually at a much better price than the pubco were looking for if you do a bit of preparatory work on it after you shut it like getting the planning permission and change of use for example.

So if theres any builders or entrepreneurs up there thinking of taking it on get in touch I have some good people on my books looking for a low-cost route back into the game.

But the whole pub industry is fu.cked bellow the sort of level in the market that you operate in Matt.

My advice to you would be to stay where you are until you have enough stashed to buy your own successfully trading freehold site.

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23 May 2018 04:31 - 23 May 2018 07:25 #56 by NORTHERNSOUL
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mattcufc wrote: I’d say the un/success of the new harraby inn will be watched by a few before deciding what the next steps are for out of town boozers


Star have two or three more ex-punch pubs around the city about to come online for let very soon their refurbs are very good but unless you're in from the start and contribute to the refurb what they want from you in rent in return to pay for it makes it totally uneconomic. and you're doomed to failure.a big loss and a very expensive lesson.

www.starpubs.co.uk/pubs-to-let?keword_lo...arch=yes&submit_sear

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23 May 2018 10:48 #57 by mattcufc
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In terms of employment most of the pub work I’ve done has being for wetherspoons in a few different venues Including both Carlisle pubs, Fleetwood, the old Blackpool site, Workington, Lancaster, Morecambe, Keswick, Kendal, most of which were troubleshooting to get them stabilised because sales were in decline.
Even in Lloyd’s when I initially took it over it was a failing pub in terms of what it should of being doing now turned it round into one of the top 50performers in the company. Apart from this have worked in country pubs both hands on and more recently in an advisory capacity.
Agree Totally different from running your own venue and finances but the ethos is the same in terms of offering well kept beer and good customer service to get people to return and suppport you, spoons has the benefit of offering low prices alongside this.
Wouldn’t risk leaving what I have now in terms of stability and salary. Looking at the pubs in that link the Howard is already lined up with two parties after it and the St Nic was refurbed only a couple years ago and didn’t work.

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23 May 2018 17:04 #58 by munchymagic
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

mattcufc wrote: If it’s that easy take it on. Been in pub management 16 years now and get asked all the time why I don’t take my own place on, and also being offered 3or4 pubs on good terms. Somewhere like th currock is fucked, no parking, reputation, uninviting, etc. All well and good people saying they would go if it was better which is why pub companies do them up but when The punters don’t return it’s a vicious circle


But put me right if i.m wrong Matt but hasn't all your experience been limited to pubs like Lloyds and Wetherspoons which is a completely different game to taking on and turning around a community pub like the Currock but in most cases, it comes down to the pub owners in most cases Breweries or Pubcos wanting to see them closed as pubs and sold off with a covenant in place to protect their other sites locally from someone buying it doing it up and being so successful and it having a detrimental effect on their other pubs.

Down here Thwaites have closed down literally hundreds of their former pubs and as soon as they do they immediately put them onto the market either by private sale or into auction but always with the covenant in place and they won't budge on it I and a partner offered them 20 grand above the asking price on a certain site and still they weren't interested.

Theres really very little gamble involved because at the end of the day if it doesn't work you can shut it and sell it off for housing usually at a much better price than the pubco were looking for if you do a bit of preparatory work on it after you shut it like getting the planning permission and change of use for example.

So if theres any builders or entrepreneurs up there thinking of taking it on get in touch I have some good people on my books looking for a low-cost route back into the game.

But the whole pub industry is fu.cked bellow the sort of level in the market that you operate in Matt.

My advice to you would be to stay where you are until you have enough stashed to buy your own successfully trading freehold site.


Well there are two extra local punters who would use it for a start.

Those mothballed curtains need burning for a start.

Not even sure if the old locals were a bad lot as nobody I know drinks in there, the reputation it had was from the way it looked.

I believe in a local pub and would use it a few times a week, I was never out of The Cumberland Wrestlers before I moved away - probably why it closed due to my lack of custom :)

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23 May 2018 17:08 #59 by melbourneblues
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“and the St Nic was refurbed only a couple years ago and didn’t work”.

It didn’t work because the layout of the place was not designed for what he was attempting to do, it’s a wet pub and always will be, that refurb was the kiss of death.

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23 May 2018 18:01 #60 by CCU
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Absolutely nothing wrong with the clientele of The Currock. Last time I was in was mainly old blokes watching the racing in the lounge, and a few regulars in main bar.

Exterior is fantastic whenever it’s given a paint job, its the inside that needs expenditure. How many pubs have full size snooker tables these days?! There’s also a lot more scope to upgrade the outside area IMO...

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23 May 2018 18:38 - 23 May 2018 18:40 #61 by thesilentone
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Have to agree about the Currock, a lick of paint and spruce up - without being to 'art deco', a bit of good value local grub. dart teams, pool team, quiz night.

Coffee shop and Internet cafe through the day, a few local attractions like State Management, Railway Town etc.

A bit of memorabilia around the place, a few local piccies on the walls, bob's your uncle.

The key to the success of all these places is the Landlord.............
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23 May 2018 19:07 #62 by thetashkentterror
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Currock already had two pool teams.

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23 May 2018 20:19 #63 by munchymagic
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CCU wrote: Absolutely nothing wrong with the clientele of The Currock. Last time I was in was mainly old blokes watching the racing in the lounge, and a few regulars in main bar.

Exterior is fantastic whenever it’s given a paint job, its the inside that needs expenditure. How many pubs have full size snooker tables these days?! There’s also a lot more scope to upgrade the outside area IMO...


Well if there is no bother in there then a lick of paint and I would use it.

Would be a shame to lose the last surviving pub in the area, there is a demand for it but needed a re-launch of some sort to show folk it is not as dingy as it appears.

I often sit and moan at my pals that there is nowhere to drink round here, Hollywood Bowl came up and The Currock and both are not very good so we didn't bother.

Crying out for somewhere for a swift few beers, yes you can drink at home and save loads but I love going to the pub and chatting with locals and just whiling away a couple of hours and do not mind paying extra for that far nicer experience.

Met some of my best friends from nipping down the pub, I used this one down in Leicestershire more than I should have, lock ins with lights down low and about twelve to twenty regulars including local businessmen, lawyers and a total cross the board bunch who would quite happily give you free advice and saved me and other people shitloads of money and you would do them a turn whenever they wanted in your own field it was ace.

Don't smoke any more but at the time the smoking ban was in so we were all chuffing away at the bar, cigars and the likes.

The taps had to be turned off every Wednesday earlier than normal and I took in all his advice, we do this every Wednesday so get your beers in now around one in the morning because the pints are so good is because we clean them regular and I listened to him order the meat and he always went for South American steaks and joints spending an extra premium but he said they are the best.

The place was spotless and Monday was always the best time to go in for lunchtime lunch as it was three course for £6.25 and you could have a full Sunday roast from the day before.

Was not an alchy by the way as I worked 2-10 so the lock ins were just a few beers on the way home :)

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23 May 2018 20:40 #64 by BlueBanana
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And the last two landlords had no real interest in making a go of it.

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23 May 2018 20:56 #65 by CCU
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I reckon we get NS in to run it, he can have Mon Nights for the local Fet Scene in the Snooker Room...

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23 May 2018 20:59 #66 by ParcelPete
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Can't make Mondays.

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23 May 2018 21:01 #67 by munchymagic
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CCU wrote: I reckon we get NS in to run it, he can have Mon Nights for the local Fet Scene in the Snooker Room...


That would be Monday night taken up for me for a while then - just to observe who comes into the pub and imagining what is going on behind the old curtains that have now been found a use for :)

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23 May 2018 21:26 #68 by ParcelPete
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You could see if they were potting the Pink or the Brown.

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23 May 2018 21:29 #69 by munchymagic
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Don't forget midgets sucking off giants, fifty people sharing a small split in the curtains for twenty second viewings :D

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24 May 2018 12:54 #70 by orfc
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Work now actually starting on Horse & Farrier site :ohmy:

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26 May 2018 21:03 #71 by BlueBanana
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Was ova the arrab in today. Nowt special! Took a F'in age to get severd! Old time staff isn't gonna cut it

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01 Jun 2018 22:48 #72 by thetashkentterror
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nobbyblue wrote: Is Margaret Marys club still gan up that way!?



Yes.

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01 Jun 2018 23:06 #73 by munchymagic
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Anyone heard owt about The Currock?

That Adult Mags place on London Road is easier to peer in than The Currock was, surely the previous managers must have realised that making the place look like a sex/opium den was not good for business, it was almost like they were trying their hardest to drive away any trade.

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01 Jun 2018 23:23 #74 by Moylesey
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My sources tell me that the Horse and Farrier site was interviewed for the vacant managers position yesterday and is a “a strong contender”.
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01 Jun 2018 23:31 #75 by BlueBanana
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I'm hoping against all hope that the currock reopens as a pub! Was in the Harraby Inn last wk, the spinners the wk before! Both not bad, particularly liked the ale in the spinners. Carlisle brewing Co. But both a little far to be my local. Long live the currock & all that sail in her. I've always had this peverse idea of making the currock into a cufc supporters pub! Running away trips etc
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02 Jun 2018 02:21 #76 by munchymagic
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BlueBanana wrote: I'm hoping against all hope that the currock reopens as a pub! Was in the Harraby Inn last wk, the spinners the wk before! Both not bad, particularly liked the ale in the spinners. Carlisle brewing Co. But both a little far to be my local. Long live the currock & all that sail in her. I've always had this peverse idea of making the currock into a cufc supporters pub! Running away trips etc


I would use it BB - smashing the windows and burning the curtains to let in some light would get plenty more people in there too.

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07 Jun 2018 10:17 #77 by BlueBanana
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The currock reopens 1st July, i believe. (strange that it's a Sunday). So munchy and all don't be put off by the exterior, get yourselves in and make it your local. I believe the inside has been brightened up. New management from out of town, so might be a bit firmer with the riff raff.

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07 Jun 2018 11:13 #78 by ExiledJock
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We should commit to a message board visit just to get over our fears. 7.00pm on the 1st, something like that.

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07 Jun 2018 11:14 - 07 Jun 2018 11:14 #79 by CCU
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BlueBanana wrote: The currock reopens 1st July, i believe. (strange that it's a Sunday). So munchy and all don't be put off by the exterior, get yourselves in and make it your local. I believe the inside has been brightened up. New management from out of town, so might be a bit firmer with the riff raff.


I saw lads working on the exterior yesterday and wondered if someone had took it on.

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07 Jun 2018 12:09 #80 by BlueBanana
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Come in for a few Exiled, we're a friendly lot.

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13 Sep 2018 06:24 - 13 Sep 2018 06:49 #81 by CCU
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Seems The Currock is still reopening, however it will be a Members Pool Bar, named ‘The Cue Rack’.

The Black Lion shut suddenly a couple of weeks back, but according to its Facebook page is reopening with new Staff soon...

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13 Sep 2018 07:07 #82 by Waltero
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As long as the Beehive stays open I'll be happy

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13 Sep 2018 10:31 #83 by seesaw50
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Was past the Currock only yesterday, all boarded up still, no signs of life

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13 Sep 2018 10:49 #84 by CCU
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seesaw50 wrote: Was past the Currock only yesterday, all boarded up still, no signs of life


Plenty going on, usually a couple vans in behind the big wooden gates on the side...

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13 Sep 2018 11:02 #85 by BlueBanana
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Yes I tried to post about it the other day but was unable to. Apparently they've been posting about it on Facebook. Hope those of you that said you found the old Currock uninviting might give it a try. Looking forward to getting a local back.

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13 Sep 2018 12:05 #86 by ExiledJock
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LOL, well a 'members pool bar' just makes it sound like something from a Danny Dyer film. I'm intimidated already.

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13 Sep 2018 12:34 #87 by CCU
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13 Sep 2018 15:25 #88 by munchymagic
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Good news this as it will not be turned into flats or a house. Would have preferred a pub but if they have a bar then might give it a bash.

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14 Sep 2018 10:59 #89 by BlueBanana
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From what I've heard the old lounge will be a bar area, with the pool club occupying the old bar and snooker room.
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14 Sep 2018 11:10 #90 by CCU
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BlueBanana wrote: From what I've heard the old lounge will be a bar area, with the pool club occupying the old bar and snooker room.


Makes sense, the old lounge isn’t a bad little bar area. Would imagine the old main bar will house several pool tables, and I’m guessing they’ll be keeping the snooker table area? Looking forward to seeing how it looks...

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14 Sep 2018 17:07 #91 by munchymagic
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BlueBanana wrote: From what I've heard the old lounge will be a bar area, with the pool club occupying the old bar and snooker room.


This is great news, I will definitely give it a bash then when it opens.

Well done to whoever is taking a chance on doing it up, don't mind the odd game of pool but appreciate somewhere to go for a beer and maybe the odd England game, down to the local people now to make it a success.

Maybe see some of you in there :)
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14 Sep 2018 18:36 #92 by ExiledJock
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I see it's Members Only.

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14 Sep 2018 19:02 #93 by munchymagic
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ExiledJock wrote: I see it's Members Only.


With folk previously complaining about it being dingy and worried about the clientele then this, although not guaranteed, will reassure some people that it isn't a trouble spot as members would get banned for causing any grief so it is easier to control I would guess.

If they are doing it up then I for one am happy that I will finally have a local pub/bar that I can have a couple of pints in with my pals who live near or the missus.
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15 Sep 2018 07:00 #94 by ExiledJock
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Don't want to talk ill of the dead but there was not a single customer in that new-ish place on Warwick Road just down from Dempsey's at half-nine last night. By comparison, the place across the road looked pretty busy.

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15 Sep 2018 09:15 #95 by seesaw50
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It's never busy tho, be shut by Christmas

Back on topic....the H and F seems to be having roofing problems...all was going well but seems to have come to a halt and now all the exposed timbers have got wet. There's blokes working but not very fast! Thought they'd have wanted it finished asap

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15 Sep 2018 23:09 #96 by NORTHERNSOUL
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ExiledJock wrote: I see it's Members Only.



Well theres definitely ramifications there licence wise if it goes tits up turning somewhere from a private members club back into a pub is not a simple procedure as I once found out.

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18 Sep 2018 14:20 #97 by CCU
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November opening is the aim according to their Facebook. Theirs a load of rules for when it opens on there too, £20 for a years Membership...


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18 Sep 2018 15:35 #98 by munchymagic
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If it is a club then isn't the beer normally cheaper or is this just wishful thinking on my part :)

I wonder also if you can go and have a try first before getting a membership.

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18 Sep 2018 15:42 - 18 Sep 2018 15:43 #99 by CCU
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munchymagic wrote: If it is a club then isn't the beer normally cheaper or is this just wishful thinking on my part :)

I wonder also if you can go and have a try first before getting a membership.


I’ll be joining, I’ll sign you in for a trial... :woohoo:

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18 Sep 2018 15:51 #100 by munchymagic
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CCU wrote:

munchymagic wrote: If it is a club then isn't the beer normally cheaper or is this just wishful thinking on my part :)

I wonder also if you can go and have a try first before getting a membership.


I’ll be joining, I’ll sign you in for a trial... :woohoo:


Cheers pal - I will have a nosey in the window as it progresses and if the beer is right I may make the plunge myself :)

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