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18 Oct 2019 14:43 #51 by Dentonholmersimpson
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The amount of time they have fecked about, could have taken it down brick by brick.

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11 Nov 2019 12:46 #52 by CCU

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11 Nov 2019 14:07 #53 by Waltero
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I'm relieved the contractors have taken control as I wouldn't trust the council with a Wendy house

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11 Nov 2019 14:29 #54 by Mullen103
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They need an auto demolition button - sorted in one day!

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11 Nov 2019 14:34 #55 by ParcelPete
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£1.3 million,i bet someone on the council will get a nice Christmas pressy.
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05 Dec 2019 15:32 #56 by CCU

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05 Dec 2019 16:32 #57 by Urban Designer
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This will be another local building with character and identity I will miss along with Civic Centre.
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05 Dec 2019 18:01 #58 by ParcelPete
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Civic centre is a ugly building along with Eden house and the magistrates court,they should all be flatenned and re built with something more in keeping with the city.

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05 Dec 2019 18:38 #59 by Zebby
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I had a right laugh working there as a kid as a porter did a couple of years ended up near full time hours when still at school bloody good tips too no wonder didn't do brilliant in exams

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05 Dec 2019 20:56 #60 by seesaw50
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ParcelPete wrote: Civic centre is a ugly building along with Eden house and the magistrates court,they should all be flatenned and re built with something more in keeping with the city.

I can forgive the design of the Civic as it was inovative of the time...and probably Eden Bridge House....but the Magistrates should never have got past the planners ...obviously cheap

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15 Dec 2019 20:37 #61 by CCU

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15 Dec 2019 21:43 #62 by seesaw50
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I was down this afternoon plenty still to go at , they seemed to have knocked off by 3.30....unable to see if al, gone from that picture

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15 Dec 2019 22:08 #63 by CCU
If you’re on Facebook, check the ‘Spotted’ pages, several photos on there...

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15 Dec 2019 22:31 #64 by seesaw50
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Maybe it was bate time Haha.....so they've just kept going.

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16 Dec 2019 09:31 #65 by yoonited
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More bad news about this. Unfortunately the blockade across the Viaduct has now been there for so long that the council have been compelled to have to grant it 'Grade II' listed status.
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16 Dec 2019 21:45 #66 by CCU

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23 Dec 2019 15:21 #67 by CCU
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03 Jan 2020 16:54 - 05 Jan 2020 08:52 #68 by geordiejon
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Nowt to do with United - sorry! But if you could please take two minutes to sign this petition to try and get the Government to pay for demolishing the Central Plaza, it would be really appreciated. www.megaphone.org.uk/petitions/the-gover...-1uOP58-peAXJnSL5AV0
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03 Jan 2020 17:17 #69 by CarlisleWhite
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So local government (funded by the taxpayers) versus central government (funded by the taxpayers).
Cracking.
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03 Jan 2020 17:29 #70 by seesaw50
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However, the Council have missed a trick ..they should have offered the £1 to buy it, so that once cleared the site has a value for them to then sell.

I think Carlisles MP is on the case...unless he's got nowhere, hense this petition

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03 Jan 2020 17:31 #71 by seesaw50
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Was by there today...all the rubble etc has just about been removed, quick job in the end

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03 Jan 2020 17:35 #72 by tommycoleman1
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They are going to sell the site

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03 Jan 2020 17:43 #73 by seesaw50
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They can't they dont own it...simple property law

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03 Jan 2020 18:42 #74 by Drifter
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Technically Her Majesty should pay as it’s owned by the Crown Estates. The last ‘owners’ went belly up and the Bank (can’t remember which one but can find out) said ‘No thanks’. So then as ‘no one’ owns it, it then reverts back to the Crown.

They also said ‘no thanks’ so CCC had to deal with it themselves. They have put a clause on the site that whoever re-develops it has to pay back.

We all know local government and how they like to go back on the statements, so I guess in the long run, Yes the Carlisle taxpayer will have to pay.

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03 Jan 2020 19:35 #75 by franksidebottom
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CarlisleWhite wrote: So local government (funded by the taxpayers) versus central government (funded by the taxpayers).
Cracking.


So you’re not bothered if the cost comes out of the national budget which we’ll not even notice or the already tight local budget at the detriment of other local schemes/services?

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03 Jan 2020 20:54 #76 by seesaw50
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This is not a unique situation apparently...happening all over the country

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03 Jan 2020 20:57 #77 by seesaw50
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In the big scheme of things by any yardstick it's not cricket that cash starved Councils have to fork out as in this case.

(Oh for the edit button when you have an afterthought)

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03 Jan 2020 21:15 #78 by Laffy
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Can we recycle the rubble in the BP car park?

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04 Jan 2020 16:21 #79 by CarlisleWhite
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CarlisleWhite wrote: So local government (funded by the taxpayers) versus central government (funded by the taxpayers).
Cracking.


So you’re not bothered if the cost comes out of the national budget which we’ll not even notice or the already tight local budget at the detriment of other local schemes/services?

Frank - was more the point that it makes not a jot of difference. If the City Council got the money back, they will waste it on some daft project. If it was going to reduce the council tax, or free parking up town, or extra care places, or generate the town centre, or similar, well fair enough.
But it will just go on a bridge or more pedestrianisation or other such dross.
My main gripe on the Central is actually why the building is being demolished. It is the same age and presumably same condition (apart from the roof) as the buildings next to it, which are both happily stood unaffected.
It's the risk averse nature of local authority that is (in my opinion, albeit not having seen the report on the buiding but having worked on a few similar projects) the reason it is being flattened.

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04 Jan 2020 16:47 #80 by seesaw50
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CW the difference with the Plaza and the ex Bed Centre shop soon to be a bar/eatery next door...is that building hasn't stood empty for 15 plus years, had a fire, or had holes in the roof letting rain in. There was no betterness for the Plaza. Something useful can now be built in its place and not by the Council

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04 Jan 2020 17:15 #81 by CarlisleWhite
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seesaw50 wrote: CW the difference with the Plaza and the ex Bed Centre shop soon to be a bar/eatery next door...is that building hasn't stood empty for 15 plus years, had a fire, or had holes in the roof letting rain in. There was no betterness for the Plaza. Something useful can now be built in its place and not by the Council

Seesaw - hard to disagree with that, but the shell and main interior structure should not deteriate to the extent it needs flattened. Remember at least two of the walls are party walls, so demloishing them will not have been cheap.
Figures will have been produced no doubt, but then they are also produced to justify the Civic staying open/being flattened, or the white elephant of the County Council building "saving them money".
Bit interesting to see who buys it.

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04 Jan 2020 17:34 #82 by seesaw50
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Party walls? how do you mean, the only building it adjoined was at the rear

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04 Jan 2020 17:48 #83 by CCU
Be plenty interested in a prime city centre site, all cleared from recent demolition and close to the Station!

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05 Jan 2020 08:38 #84 by CarlisleWhite
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seesaw50 wrote: Party walls? how do you mean, the only building it adjoined was at the rear

Is that not a party wall then? Must admit, I thought the side walls were also adjoining.

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05 Jan 2020 08:49 - 05 Jan 2020 08:52 #85 by CCU
Aye it was a standalone building as this Pic shows:


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05 Jan 2020 09:01 #86 by seesaw50
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It was butted up to the Green Room Theatre at the rear..i was down watching the demolition the day it came down, clever how they'd detached it from the GreenRoom, must have done that first obviously.
The whole area is lighter and brighter for it being gone...only downside is walking up the Viaduct that Tesco building sticks out like a sore thumb as the horrible 70s construction it is... planners in that era have a lot to answer for.

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05 Jan 2020 11:02 #87 by CarlisleWhite
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Like someone said earlier, be interesting to see what replaces it.
Surely housing or offices?

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05 Jan 2020 12:07 #88 by PADDOCK
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The council are looking at buying the scaffolding and hoarding that will be needed to protect the site as it would be cheaper than renting in the long run. If the site is ever sold it can then be sold on or reused.

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05 Jan 2020 12:39 #89 by CCU
Wasn’t it Kevin Dobinson’s lot who put the scaffold up for the Council?

Wonder how much compo he’s getting for it being in with the demolition - he could become a Director with it!

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05 Jan 2020 19:42 #90 by seesaw50
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Some company out West put the scaffolding up I heard, is that who you mean CCU and when the hotel owners went bust they took them down as well.
It could have been removed before the wrecking grabber came in but would have taken ages, as it was just a mangled heap appeared...not sure it would even have a scrap value

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05 Jan 2020 19:44 #91 by munchymagic
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A floor level car park on the site till they decide to build on would be sensible and bring in some cash.

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05 Jan 2020 19:44 #92 by seesaw50
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Second thoughts, its aluminium so definitely will have a scrap value.

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05 Jan 2020 19:53 #93 by CCU
Think there’s been several companies over the whole project. The lot from out West originally (Alco is it?), then another had their advert round the back, and also Contract put up some of the scaffold that protected B&M - Probably all to do with who had plenty spare in the yard when it was needed!

It’s a huge pile of perfectly good scaffolding, which now can’t be reused. Of course there’ll be a compensation fee, unless the Council agreed to purchase it off the Company who fitted it.

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05 Jan 2020 20:26 #94 by Yorkie Blue
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I`ve always thought what Carlisle needs is a theatre, not just for plays, but for other entertainment, comedy, bands, etc. The Sands is just ok but the industrial style surroundings can impact on the atmosphere. If a new building could somehow incorporate the Green Room I`m sure it would be a boost for the city.


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05 Jan 2020 21:15 #95 by seesaw50
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A proper theatre has been mentioned loads but it's a conflict of interest isn't it with the council owning the Sands....they could have converted the old Lonsdale but didnt want to know.

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05 Jan 2020 23:05 #96 by Dentonholmersimpson
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seesaw50 wrote: Second thoughts, its aluminium so definitely will have a scrap value.


Am fairly sure that scaffolding erected by scaffolding contractors is made from carbon steel, the self erect zip up scaffold is aluminium.

Probably because it wouldn't stop up long if it was valuable.
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05 Jan 2020 23:12 #97 by Moylesey
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seesaw50 wrote: A proper theatre has been mentioned loads but it's a conflict of interest isn't it with the council owning the Sands....they could have converted the old Lonsdale but didnt want to know.


Really interested in your ideas on this Seesaw. Can you share your business plan and financial projections on here? Venue size, target markets, pricing. Interested to see how it all fits together.

Sounds like a real moneymaker for the City...
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06 Jan 2020 09:55 #98 by seesaw50
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Sorry Moylsey you've lost me ....?
Unless you've any money and we can join forces to build it... a theatre would be great yeah.
Still be fighting for ticket sales with the Sands

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Moylesey wrote:

seesaw50 wrote: A proper theatre has been mentioned loads but it's a conflict of interest isn't it with the council owning the Sands....they could have converted the old Lonsdale but didnt want to know.


Really interested in your ideas on this Seesaw. Can you share your business plan and financial projections on here? Venue size, target markets, pricing. Interested to see how it all fits together.

Sounds like a real moneymaker for the City...


Of course the Lonsdale should have been turned into a Theater, that's what is was. You cannot replicate the atmosphere, sound and experience of a Theater in the Brick built shell that is the Sands Center.

But our Council lacks both the depth of vision or experience to understand this. The Fire Station is a prime example - a soulless shell, that unless passed to a private Company is doomed.

Councils and commercial business and entertainment cannot function. Come to Carlisle for great entertainment like Football, Rugby, Athletics, Motorsport, Conferences, Concerts. The only things that happen in Carlisle are those that are mandatory to ensure the cash keeps coming from Government.............

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06 Jan 2020 10:32 #100 by Waltero
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Reminds me of our owners ie no ambition to improve anything

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