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12 Aug 2018 07:51 #51 by Dancingbear
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I can’t see why anyone would not want the big teams in the EFL cup. I’m sure everyone who went to Anfield bloody well enjoyed the night. I know I did. We’ll never win it anyway so a trip away to one of the big clubs is as much as we can expect.

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12 Aug 2018 12:25 #52 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Flatcap wrote: I'd say:

OK you want to play your academy sides in the Checkatrade Trophy.
Under one condition, and that is you no longer play in the EFL League cup.

Big problem with that is Harvey, who is right up the Premier League arses..


Check trade is just fine all you do is make it a competition thats run for the benefit and enjoyment of the fans

All the Lge 1 and 2 clubs and 16 invited teams [non-league and maybe Welsh Scots and even NI and Eire clubs] by using foreign clubs and inserting them into groups that would make sense You could give a place to a league and let them use it in an imaginative way [ maybe best disciplinary record or highest gate ] And then as all the games are local you could have 7 pm or even 6.30pm kickoffs to encourage families and kids to go and encourage adults to go straight from work with food deals etc

The group stages are made up of 4 teams in local groups where as now the top 2 in each progress to the knockout stage where there is no draw you simply play the nearest team geographically on a north and south basis and when you get to the semi-final or regional final stage it reverts to how it used to be home and way ties where the receipts go into a final four pool where the money from them is added to the final pool where the losing semi-finalists do better out of it than they used to further spreading the money around.

The final should be taken away from Wembley and rotated between a ground in the North and one in South [ Wembly take nearly a million quid of the receipts each year Liverpool have offered to host it for free.and better a 60k sell out at Anfield rather than 60k rattling around at Wembley which then has the effect that if there are fewer tickets you can charge a premium price remembering that it no longer involves the cost of a trek to or an overnight stay in London if you don't want to Yet 30k tickets would easily be sufficient at 95% of the clubs.

As I say all it needs is for the competition to be designed around the needs of the fans and not for the benefit of Shaun Harvey and his paymasters at the Premier League

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12 Aug 2018 19:38 #53 by Flatcap
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Trouble with playing the side most local is that you end up playing the same teams year after year and the interest diminishes.

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12 Aug 2018 19:49 #54 by munchymagic
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Flatcap wrote: Trouble with playing the side most local is that you end up playing the same teams year after year and the interest diminishes.


I completely disagree as playing Morecambe is the best draw imaginable as they are as bad if not worse than us, I am not as blasé in thinking we will win but it is the best chance possible.

Then chuck in a crap U21 side at home that we should be beating and we are there.

Treated like bounce games now with a tiny crowd and not taken seriously so Morecambe will probably trounce our youth team.

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12 Aug 2018 21:13 #55 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Flatcap wrote: Trouble with playing the side most local is that you end up playing the same teams year after year and the interest diminishes.


Carlisles location and isolation makes their position pretty unique and I guess that if Scottish clubs were invited once the knockouts started we.d play a Scottish team but as different ones would be invited in different years it wouldn't be the same team.

In some places playing the same team wouldn't be a problem Blackpool v Fleetwood comes to mind and here in Lancashire wih the number of clubs involved the chances are youd get different ones in different years

There was a procedure devised where you couldn't play the same team after the group stage [ the composition of which are fixed and not drawn anyway ] more than once in three years but I think its a complicated answer to a problem that might not exist.

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12 Aug 2018 21:49 #56 by Waltero
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I've not attended any of the games I think it should never be mentioned again on this site

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12 Aug 2018 23:51 #57 by Flatcap
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A lot of us think that we should do away with this competition since Harvey has allowed academy sides to compete, but still allow Premier League sides in the League Cup.

What I'm saying, is give the Premier League clubs a choice of only being allowed in one of the EFL cup competitions.
I.e. If they want academy sides in the EFL trophy then they should be refused entry to the League Cup or visa versa.
After all they are not members of the EFL.

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13 Aug 2018 00:04 #58 by CCU
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PL pressure will eventually see the European place allocated to the League Cup given to the PL (It’s not often we get a winner who hasn’t already qualified, Swansea in 2013 and Birmingham in 2011 the recent ones).

If that happened, I’d then make the League Cup for the 72 EFL Teams only and scrap the Trophy altogether...

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13 Aug 2018 08:05 #59 by Dancingbear
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It’s all about cash so they aren’t gonna kick the premier league clubs out.

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13 Aug 2018 09:30 #60 by DeckchairBlue
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Went to a couple of Lincoln's games last season, they got 9500 for their knockout games against Chelsea u21, it was a decent game too.

The competition has always suffered from poor crowds but not all fans are dead against it and do just view it as another game.

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13 Aug 2018 12:33 #61 by Flatcap
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CCU wrote: PL pressure will eventually see the European place allocated to the League Cup given to the PL (It’s not often we get a winner who hasn’t already qualified, Swansea in 2013 and Birmingham in 2011 the recent ones).

If that happened, I’d then make the League Cup for the 72 EFL Teams only and scrap the Trophy altogether...



Most of us agree, apart from Harvey and the EFL board, that the U21 teams in the Checkatrade has been a total disaster. Only reason they have been allowed in is because of the bribe from the Premier League. The competition has been reduced to a farce with below strength teams competing in glorified bounce games. This has nullified the argument from the Premier League that it helps their young players to develop.


There needs to be an incentive .As CCU states the League Cup has a European place allocated. This is also true of the FA Cup.
So why not have a similar incentive for the Checkatrade Trophy. My suggestion would be a play off place against the 21st team in the championship (home and away). This would certainly make fans and clubs take the competition more seriously and give it a more competitive edge.

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13 Aug 2018 13:10 #62 by DeckchairBlue
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Flatcap wrote:

CCU wrote: PL pressure will eventually see the European place allocated to the League Cup given to the PL (It’s not often we get a winner who hasn’t already qualified, Swansea in 2013 and Birmingham in 2011 the recent ones).

If that happened, I’d then make the League Cup for the 72 EFL Teams only and scrap the Trophy altogether...



Most of us agree, apart from Harvey and the EFL board, that the U21 teams in the Checkatrade has been a total disaster. Only reason they have been allowed in is because of the bribe from the Premier League. The competition has been reduced to a farce with below strength teams competing in glorified bounce games. This has nullified the argument from the Premier League that it helps their young players to develop.


There needs to be an incentive .As CCU states the League Cup has a European place allocated. This is also true of the FA Cup.
So why not have a similar incentive for the Checkatrade Trophy. My suggestion would be a play off place against the 21st team in the championship (home and away). This would certainly make fans and clubs take the competition more seriously and give it a more competitive edge.


Say a team that gets relegated from L2 wins the Checkatrade, them beats the championship team, what happens then ?

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13 Aug 2018 13:51 - 13 Aug 2018 13:57 #63 by Flatcap
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If that happened which would be extremely unlikely, they would not qualify as they would have lost their Football League place. In the event of an U21 side (which is more likely) winning it, same scenario.

The final of the Checkatrade is played well before the end of the season, so:
If a top three side from League 1 won it, promote all three, then you could have 4th to 7th in league 1 in the playoffs, with the winner getting automatic promotion in place of the 21st team in the Championship or arrange a play-off against them.

As I said earlier this would increase interest in the Checkatrade, with the chance of an additional place in the Championship at the expense of possibly relegating the 21st club..

Unlikely to happen as the Championship would not be in favour of doing this, but it would be far better than bribing the clubs with cash..
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29 Aug 2018 07:23 - 29 Aug 2018 07:24 #64 by CCU
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The disjointed approach to the fixtures for the Trophy resulted in another pearler last night!

Swansea played in the Carabao Cup, with their ‘U21’ team also playing in the Trophy.

First team made 10 changes from the team who played in the League on Sat with several Reserve/Academy players given a game, they lost 1-0 to Crystal Palace.

Their ‘U21’ team obviously felt the pinch of some of the squad playing for the first team, they were dispatched 5-0 by Stevenage.

Another shambles in the long list for the Trophy since these changes were brought in!

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29 Aug 2018 07:36 #65 by nobbyblue
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No mention of the crowd at Stevenage v Swansea. I'm guessing it was one man and his dog and they're too shanned to give it out!

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29 Aug 2018 07:54 - 29 Aug 2018 07:55 #66 by CCU
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nobbyblue wrote: No mention of the crowd at Stevenage v Swansea. I'm guessing it was one man and his dog and they're too shanned to give it out!


Aye no mention on the Stevenage Twitter, and the Swansea Twitter has only mentioned the Carabao Cup game last night. BBC Website has no report up either!

Edit: Soccerway has it down as 470!

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29 Aug 2018 07:58 - 29 Aug 2018 07:59 #67 by nobbyblue
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I noticed 85 Man C fans turned up at Shrewsbury!

How that Harvey bloke thinks this is good for EFL clubs is astounding.
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29 Aug 2018 08:02 #68 by CCU
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nobbyblue wrote: I noticed 85 Man C fans turned up at Shrewsbury!

How that Harvey bloke thinks this is good for EFL clubs is astounding.


1838 in total at Shrewsbury. Would imagine most of the ‘Away’ following is likely relations of the lads playing?

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29 Aug 2018 08:33 #69 by 182blue
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Since the new format was introduced, there has been a significant improvement in the performance of the national team, Reaching the semis for the first time in 28 years and winning a penalty shoot-out in the process.
Surely this is largely down to the revamping of The EFL Trophy?
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29 Aug 2018 14:21 #70 by Flatcap
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nobbyblue wrote: I noticed 85 Man C fans turned up at Shrewsbury!

How that Harvey bloke thinks this is good for EFL clubs is astounding.


With a bit of luck Leeds will get promoted this year and Harvey will be gone from the EFL.
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29 Aug 2018 15:36 #71 by CarlisleWhite
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Flatcap wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: I noticed 85 Man C fans turned up at Shrewsbury!

How that Harvey bloke thinks this is good for EFL clubs is astounding.


With a bit of luck Leeds will get promoted this year and Harvey will be gone from the EFL.


Flatcap - all for Leeds getting promoted, but why would that mean Harvey leaving. Harvey is more hated at Leeds than any other cliub. We had to put up with him as Bates lickspittle, with dubious house extensions etc

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29 Aug 2018 16:36 #72 by Wukkie
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Helping the England team just fine. Man City fielded Seven Non-British players from the start with a further Two on the bench whilst Swansea played Four+2 on the bench. They even had a Benda in the nets. :-)

If they want to help the Home Nations let alone England they should make them play with a maximum amount of foreigners.

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29 Aug 2018 16:57 #73 by Waltero
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There should be no foreign players in the "invited" clubs including (and I'm not being anti jock taff or paddy) it's to give young English players experience

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29 Aug 2018 17:47 #74 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CarlisleWhite wrote:

Flatcap wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: I noticed 85 Man C fans turned up at Shrewsbury!

How that Harvey bloke thinks this is good for EFL clubs is astounding.


With a bit of luck Leeds will get promoted this year and Harvey will be gone from the EFL.


Flatcap - all for Leeds getting promoted, but why would that mean Harvey leaving. Harvey is more hated at Leeds than any other cliub. We had to put up with him as Bates lickspittle, with dubious house extensions etc


I think he thinks Harvey is still employed by LUFC

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29 Aug 2018 17:57 - 29 Aug 2018 17:59 #75 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Flatcap wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: I noticed 85 Man C fans turned up at Shrewsbury!

How that Harvey bloke thinks this is good for EFL clubs is astounding.


With a bit of luck Leeds will get promoted this year and Harvey will be gone from the EFL.


Harveys just moved house to Lytham St Annes its taken the Blackpool fans less than a week to find out the address So expect some late night fun and games to come very soon

Someone would be doing the world a big favour if they just took him to the vets and had him put down.

Blackpool Trust planning another demo at EFL house in two weeks and a lot of people saying their just wasting their time and demanding some more gorilla type action.

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29 Aug 2018 23:32 #76 by Flatcap
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I must learn to keep up. :-)

Just had a look at the history of Shaun Harvey.

He did indeed leave Leeds United in 2013 when he became Chief Executive of the Football League.

Started out at Farsley Celtic who had financial troubles.
Joined Scarborough who later folded.
Then at Bradford City who had severe financial difficulties.
Then at Leeds until July 2013 - more controversy..

Since then 5 years as CEO of the EFL - Beggars belief.

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03 Sep 2018 20:18 #77 by CCU
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Clowns at the EFL glossing over the fact there’s already been 3 games in 2 seperate weeks already...


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03 Sep 2018 20:41 #78 by bejustandfearprokas
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I detest this competition so much. Every time there’s a game coming up I get angry thinking about how the vast majority of fans don’t want it, yet it carries on.

I watched a bit of Lincoln v Chelsea under 23’s on the TV last year in the semi final, seeing Sincil Bank getting behind their team to beat Chelsea’s academy. I know that was to take them to Wembley, but getting to Wembley in that cup is not what it was when we had our days there. the EFL have done that. What a Shan.
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03 Sep 2018 21:14 #79 by thetashkentterror
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Flatcap wrote: I must learn to keep up. :-)

Just had a look at the history of Shaun Harvey.

He did indeed leave Leeds United in 2013 when he became Chief Executive of the Football League.

Started out at Farsley Celtic who had financial troubles.
Joined Scarborough who later folded.
Then at Bradford City who had severe financial difficulties.
Then at Leeds until July 2013 - more controversy..

Since then 5 years as CEO of the EFL - Beggars belief.




Said this to Clibbens and Nixon at a forum and they just totally glossed over it.

Harvey is an absolute fraud.
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04 Sep 2018 07:41 #80 by CCU
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04 Sep 2018 07:50 - 04 Sep 2018 08:07 #81 by nobbyblue
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"The EFL clubs have seen the benefits of increased revenue, with crowds and gate receipts up owing to regionalisation of early rounds and a prize-pot of £3million since the radical changes introduced two years ago." :unsure:

Crowds very slightly up I would think only because they were so dismal in 2016-17.
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04 Sep 2018 10:08 #82 by bejustandfearprokas
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CCU wrote: Another 3yrs of the Format seemingly...


What a one-sided load of sh!te that article is. Did Shaun Harvey write it himself?
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04 Sep 2018 10:55 - 04 Sep 2018 10:59 #83 by NORTHERNSOUL
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bejustandfearprokas wrote:

CCU wrote: Another 3yrs of the Format seemingly...


What a one-sided load of sh!te that article is. Did Shaun Harvey write it himself?


Apparently Yes

Several club owners not happy about the video yesterday as it was full of spins on the truth

Like Lincoln made 500k by winning it last year well funnily enough thats exactly the same figure we.ve made on the occasions we've won it

Like Regionalisation in the group stages Blackpool played away at Cheltenham hardly what youd call a local derby and the match receipts weren't enough to cover Blackpools expenses.

Like Gates are up yes they are by a magnificent 1.2% on the season before but strangely they're still nearly 40% down on the season before the boycott started.

Like Why is he still refusing to say how much Wembley [ owned of course by the FA ] take for staging the final each year and why despite them being money earners why won't he bring back the regional finals ?

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04 Sep 2018 13:17 #84 by Urban Designer
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Carlisle made £500,000 back in 1995!

The only way youth players benefit is to play against a mixture of men and youth with other men.

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04 Sep 2018 13:24 #85 by Markovitch
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In the car at 2 for the drive down. Going to be another brilliant victory for the Blues, I can feel it in my water. Couldn't give a crap about the politics, I'll be in the Paddock tonight. COYBs!!!

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04 Sep 2018 14:07 #86 by Dancingbear
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Just reading about the Sunderland manager complaining he can’t pick a suspended player tonight despite the fact it doesn’t count as a match towards his ban. Farcical.

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04 Sep 2018 14:47 #87 by CCU
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Dancingbear wrote: Just reading about the Sunderland manager complaining he can’t pick a suspended player tonight despite the fact it doesn’t count as a match towards his ban. Farcical.


Rule change? Bennett for us last season, sent off away to Crawley on the Sat but was allowed to play in the Trophy the following Tues against Leicester...

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04 Sep 2018 14:58 #88 by Dancingbear
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No idea pal it’s on BBC teletext Max Power can’t play tonight

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04 Sep 2018 16:23 #89 by franksidebottom
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Just read the article about Max Power, Southend got 2 players in a similar boat from Saturday. Got a 3 game ban after a straight red on Saturday but not allowed to play in the checkatrade tonight even though the tournament games don’t count towards his 3 match ban! So it’s a 4 match ban really!

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04 Sep 2018 19:45 #90 by CCU
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Great wording in that article...

As the EFL Trophy is not a first team tournament - Premier League and Championship clubs are represented by age-group sides - the tournament does not count towards their tally of banned games.

Absolute shambles!

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04 Sep 2018 21:20 #91 by Bumble
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I think a lot of people now accept that football is rotten from top to bottom and there is nothing they can do about it so they just go and watch their team.
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04 Sep 2018 21:27 #92 by newcarlislefan
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Bumble wrote: I think a lot of people now accept that football is rotten from top to bottom and there is nothing they can do about it so they just go and watch their team.


I think that is quite right. Particularly when you're having a bad week or life's not too good. Nothing like going to a game.

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04 Sep 2018 21:40 #93 by Mortonblue
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Bumble wrote: I think a lot of people now accept that football is rotten from top to bottom and there is nothing they can do about it so they just go and watch their team.

Sorry i do not agree with that statement,we all knew that football was rotten from top to bottom,but this is a competition that should have nothing to do with the premier league, therefore i will not attend as others also do. ( i went to ALL 46 league games last season ) so it can be done.
Bollocks to this farce.

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04 Sep 2018 22:05 #94 by newcarlislefan
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Mortonblue wrote:

Bumble wrote: I think a lot of people now accept that football is rotten from top to bottom and there is nothing they can do about it so they just go and watch their team.

Sorry i do not agree with that statement,we all knew that football was rotten from top to bottom,but this is a competition that should have nothing to do with the premier league, therefore i will not attend as others also do. ( i went to ALL 46 league games last season ) so it can be done.
Bollocks to this farce.

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Yes, I agree with that too.
But, it's all been ruined at the top and the bottom of the football pyramid.
Look at the FA Cup. 3rd round day was a real highlight of the year whichever club you supported. Look at it now. The top clubs aren't bothered until it reaches the later rounds. The final is played on a Saturday at 5:15pm. You couldn't make it up. Matthews will be turning in his grave.
The League Cup in the 70s and 80s was fantastic. It's a headache now.
The UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup are a joke now it's the Europa League.
Players are even refusing to play for their country and are more bothered by the Champions League.
Including the Football League Trophy that's 5 competitions murdered and counting.
More power to people who quite rightly think it's a joke and boycott it but I can also understand people who just want to go and watch their team play.
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04 Sep 2018 22:21 #95 by 182blue
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The Premier League, in commercial terms, is a huge success, but it has left the lower leagues in a terrible state.
Premier League clubs stockpile young players and they aren’t playing any meaningful football.
As a proud lower league club, we have to field players on loan from the likes of Rotherham and Fleetwood reserves and we are expected to be excited about this prospect and want to pay £20 to watch what is becoming like a glorified reserve game.
It’s massively f*cked up, but not enough people care about this for it to change, so the bandwagon rolls on.
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04 Sep 2018 22:25 #96 by nobbyblue
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If its not a first team tournament nothing should count surely. Appearances, goals, etc.
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04 Sep 2018 22:32 #97 by CCU
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nobbyblue wrote: If its not a first team tournament nothing should count surely. Appearances, goals, etc.


When we played Blackburn in Autumn 2016, they tweeted something about Debut’s not counting for their U23’s or whatever they were as it wasn’t a ‘real’ game. Think the Tweet was then deleted!

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04 Sep 2018 22:37 #98 by newcarlislefan
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It's like Burnley last week. Losing in the Europa League was seen by many as a blessing in disguise. It's unbelievable really.
How on Earth finishing 7th gets you into Europe God only knows. That's not the great old cup competition I knew as a kid just as the EFL Trophy is now not the great old competition it used to be.
You feel the club and fans at Burnley have conflicting views about it because of the impact it may have on the Premier League season ahead.
It truly beggars belief. European football. Imagine what the fantastic Burnley side of the late 60s and early 70s would be thinking about the competition now. They had 120,000 odd fans watching their 2 QF matches in the old Fairs Cup.
Ever since Monaco or whoever it was lost in the 1st round of the European Cup and a French TV channel had bought up their rights to the competition yet only ended up getting 1 game it's turned into a farce.
They can't lose the money so it's 3 and then 4 teams from each country in and then a group stage and so on.
To be honest, I'd take the Villa, or Liverpool or Forest in the European Cup and the next couple in the UEFA and the cup winners in the Cup Winners.
An it's the same with the Football League Trophy. Of course it's boll**ks like the rest of it.
But what do you do? You love football. ALL of the old cup competitions - ALL OF THEM - have been butchered at the top of the pyramid and the bottom.
They don't care what fans think. How has the FA Cup come to this? The League Cup? UEFA? Cup Winners? EFL Trophy?
I have the upmost respect for fans who don't go and watch the team they love and who they and their family have loved for generations.
Why would you want to see a reserve or academy side play in the EFL Cup? But why would you want to see the 8th best team in England play in a European competition? Or a team of U21s in the 4th round of the League Cup? I can absolutely get that.
It's of course all shocking what's happened to football - from top to bottom.
But I can also see how someone would go and watch the game. You feel powerless, ignored and sh*t on and why should they take one of the things you love most in the world away from you.

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04 Sep 2018 23:32 - 04 Sep 2018 23:33 #99 by Bumble
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Mortonblue wrote:

Bumble wrote: I think a lot of people now accept that football is rotten from top to bottom and there is nothing they can do about it so they just go and watch their team.

Sorry i do not agree with that statement,we all knew that football was rotten from top to bottom,but this is a competition that should have nothing to do with the premier league, therefore i will not attend as others also do. ( i went to ALL 46 league games last season ) so it can be done.
Bollocks to this farce.

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Personally, as a fan I didn't to any last season and won't go to any this season, even if we get to the final. The whole thing disgusts me, the justifications trotted out only make it worse and shows up the competition and the organisers for what they are. If I have work then I'll go because I can't afford to turn work down but the pleasure I got from that competition has gone. I don't think I missed a round of the competiton home or away since the 2011 final until the FA killed the competiton.

There are a lot of fans (particularly the younger end who didn't follow the club and feel the pride of the old Wembley finals) who don't feel the sense of the competition being broken beyond repair, and don't get the anger, or the real fear, that we have opened the door for B teams to sneak into the League. I think the FA are hoping that in another two years gates will have risen and anger abated.
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05 Sep 2018 00:00 #100 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bumble wrote: I think a lot of people now accept that football is rotten from top to bottom and there is nothing they can do about it so they just go and watch their team.


Theres plenty people can do about it

First thing should be a mass boycott of all club shops until the club owners sack Harvey from his position at the FL. Theres already a groundswell of opinion growing against him now after that video he put out which clearly contained if not lies then certainly untruths.

He might not be so keen to stick around much longer now his new address in Lytham is common knowledge in Blackpool and local plod are having to attend on a nightly basis

Be very interesting how they deal with the next BST protest at league HQ a week on Friday when they know they're not going to be bought off with promises of meaningless meetings this time.

" if the old git stepped out in front of my car i wouldnt be looking for the brakes thats for sure "

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