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09 May 2019 20:21 #201 by Mush
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No one said we were munchy. We've a Scottish manager and it's not far away as you'll already know so people are thinking it's a location we could get players from who won't cost a lot to pay.

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09 May 2019 20:29 #202 by munchymagic
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Mush wrote: No one said we were munchy. We've a Scottish manager and it's not far away as you'll already know so people are thinking it's a location we could get players from who won't cost a lot to pay.


Always been the case pal.

If they are good enough then bring them in.
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09 May 2019 20:46 #203 by Urban Designer
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nobbyblue wrote: Plymouth have had quite a number of Scottish signings in the last few years (we've had two playing for us this season) due to Derek Adams being in charge.

Some good some bad!


Yes - and they have just been relegated from League 1!

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09 May 2019 21:00 #204 by nobbyblue
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Urban Designer wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: Plymouth have had quite a number of Scottish signings in the last few years (we've had two playing for us this season) due to Derek Adams being in charge.

Some good some bad!


Yes - and they have just been relegated from League 1!


And promoted with 87 points two years ago.
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09 May 2019 23:20 #205 by bruntonpete
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Lets not throw all our eggs into one basket though. Look what happened when we became all Irish under RC with the cream of the green. We were shite.
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10 May 2019 09:38 #206 by CCU
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Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

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10 May 2019 09:44 #207 by nobbyblue
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CCU wrote:


"We won’t hang this club out ever again, that won’t be happening."

That doesn't reflect to kindly on Mr Clibbens.

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10 May 2019 11:40 - 10 May 2019 11:41 #208 by lummy8
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Yeah it was NC in charge of the finances, so DH alluding to him.
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10 May 2019 11:45 #209 by Waltero
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Let's just hope they stab each other in the back
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10 May 2019 12:09 #210 by Laffy
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‘Is this a dagger which I see before me?The handle toward my hand’

Nothing wrong with living within ones means-sensible approach but very clear the taps are turned off.

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10 May 2019 12:17 #211 by Waltero
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The impression I'm getting is that the club is quite content to muddle along at this level or lower. I realise the need for some financial constraints but aren't we a bit top heavy at senior management level ?
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10 May 2019 12:29 #212 by Laffy
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To be fair,we have ended up pretty close to where I was heading-two tier board with Trustees on top board and paid operational board below.

I question the need for a CEO and a football director-in an ideal world the same guy would do both jobs, then you have a dedicated commercial guy alongside-the latter is missing at this juncture.So in essence two senior operational guys backed up by a financial controller/director like Suzanne.

I don’t think any of the guys are making serious money out of their positions-it’s more about the lack of a dedicated head of commercial which troubles me and I think that guy has to be ‘Cumbria friendly’ like Dick Young who God love him did the job for love rather than money.

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10 May 2019 13:01 #213 by Waltero
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They're making a damm lot more than the majority of the fans I'm sure for what I see for minimal end product.
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10 May 2019 13:46 #214 by Lakelandterrier
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Laffy wrote: To be fair,we have ended up pretty close to where I was heading-two tier board with Trustees on top board and paid operational board below.

I question the need for a CEO and a football director-in an ideal world the same guy would do both jobs, then you have a dedicated commercial guy alongside-the latter is missing at this juncture.So in essence two senior operational guys backed up by a financial controller/director like Suzanne.

I don’t think any of the guys are making serious money out of their positions-it’s more about the lack of a dedicated head of commercial which troubles me and I think that guy has to be ‘Cumbria friendly’ like Dick Young who God love him did the job for love rather than money.



Holdsworth is the EWM man brought in running the club.
Clibbens is the club man working alongside.

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10 May 2019 13:47 #215 by Dancingbear
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Youd think a good commercial manager would be paramount and should pay their own wages several time over or theres no point having one. Looks like weve given in and just added it onto Jennys list of jobs.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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10 May 2019 13:49 #216 by triskelionblue
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How many CEOs directors were there when Ashman got us promoted to the old Division 1? Admittedly he also had a squad of about 16 and no reserve team but we also weren't "top heavy".

We are currently certainly "top heavy" with overpaid directors for a team muddling along in the lower leagues. If there needs to be budget constraints why not there instead of the playing side? If they were doing their job correctly then there would be some ambition/achievement so it appears to be a waste of salary.
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10 May 2019 14:46 #217 by Waltero
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So Lakeland you think that clibbens is justyfing his obsolete job then

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10 May 2019 14:54 #218 by munchymagic
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Strange that Holdsworth initially threw Curle under the bus at that forum and a season later he is doing the same to Clibbens, in effect blaming him for the same crime as Curle.

Even Holdsworth cannot be that thick as everyone knows that Curle bypassed Clibbens and went straight to Jenkins - Clibbens pointed this out at the time and was furious about it but there was nothing he could obviously do about it and Holdsworth unnecessarily gets his dagger out again.

The bloke is a snake, one of those blokes where it is always somebody else's fault.
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10 May 2019 15:04 #219 by Arragorn
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As far as I can see neither Holdsworth or Clibbens is earning their wage.
Why does a tinpot L2 outfit need a Director of Football & what does Clibbens actually do?
Sack them both and spend the money on the team
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10 May 2019 15:13 #220 by Lakelandterrier
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Waltero wrote: So Lakeland you think that clibbens is justyfing his obsolete job then


I don't think we need both men, Walter. Clibbens is stifled and limited to what he can do by the owners and Holdsworth is the inside man fie Philio Day/EWM.

I don't think either of them are justifying their positions and salary at this moment.

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10 May 2019 15:14 #221 by Waltero
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So... the question is " who is really pulling the strings" or will be it an NDA
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10 May 2019 15:16 #222 by Lakelandterrier
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NDA for sure and the usual silence from EWM.

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10 May 2019 15:17 - 10 May 2019 15:18 #223 by CCU
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Like it or not, the game is evolving. In a few years most Club will have a ‘Director of Football’ role, and what we now know as a Manager will evolve to a ‘Head Coach’.

You seriously think the likes of Guardiola and Klopp sit in on Contract discussions? They maybe pop in to say how they see a target fitting in, but they have very little to do with the financial aspects.

Wether DH is the right man, time will tell...

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10 May 2019 21:18 #224 by Laffy
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Given the previous experiment with KC and cash was an unmitigated disaster,I think DH needs a break and referring back to 1974 and Alan Ashman is surely ‘back in Nam’ thinking.
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10 May 2019 22:46 #225 by Kessler
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Lakelandterrier wrote:

Waltero wrote: So Lakeland you think that clibbens is justyfing his obsolete job then


I don't think we need both men, Walter. Clibbens is stifled and limited to what he can do by the owners and Holdsworth is the inside man fie Philio Day/EWM.

I don't think either of them are justifying their positions and salary at this moment.


At the very least, they should just keep one of them and put the salary of the other back into the club.

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11 May 2019 13:38 #226 by CCU
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11 May 2019 17:15 - 11 May 2019 17:16 #227 by triskelionblue
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Laffy wrote: Given the previous experiment with KC and cash was an unmitigated disaster,I think DH needs a break and referring back to 1974 and Alan Ashman is surely ‘back in Nam’ thinking.


So are you a Yank [censored] Laffy???

Not to popular at Well a lot of Well fans I know tell me Nam that...
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11 May 2019 17:37 #228 by carwash
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“The club has learned again on certain situations and, in terms of recruitment and the policy we’ve had probably for the last five years, a lot of the legacies and things that were given out are clearing up. It probably won’t be for another year that the process is completed, but we’ll deal with the consequences of that".

Just a mild dig at Curle this time. 2019-20 will be the absolute last season where any players have 'old' contracts with their incentives. Although the budget was cut substantially last season, I suspect the actual amount spent was still significantly over budget because of the need to replace the loan players and the active January transfer window. 2019-20 will (in my view) see a cut of 30% in what was spent in 2018-19. By having a squad of around 20 players with no-one paid more than Devitt you can see how Holdsworth will get there. At least Pressley is up for the challenge.

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11 May 2019 19:07 #229 by Laffy
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I put Motherwell into admin because John Boyle and Pat Nevin blew £12m in cash in 3 years on their ‘third way’ experiment-someone had to call time on it and it was me.

It was a horrible experience but absolutely the right one to make and the Club is all the better for it.I would do it again if it meant salvaging the Club.

My excuse is simple-I wasn’t there when the exhorbitant contracts were placed in 1998 with the likes of John Spencer,Martinez and Andy Goram.I have every sympathy for Holdsworth because football contracts are sacrosanct in football circles-almost impossible to break.If he has inherited poor contracts,he will need to let them run off unless you can do a deal with the player
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11 May 2019 19:23 #230 by ParcelPete
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DH,SP,NC,NDA,and EWM.
And i thought line of duty was complicated.
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11 May 2019 19:39 #231 by Dancingbear
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ParcelPete wrote: DH,SP,NC,NDA,and EWM.
And i thought line of duty was complicated.


Can’t we have SP1 and SP2?

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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11 May 2019 19:45 #232 by Markovitch
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With some of the donkeys, we have had the RSPCA should be in there somewhere
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11 May 2019 19:58 #233 by Laffy
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Looks like Berwick are down Marko-can’t see them surviving as a non league team either

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11 May 2019 20:02 #234 by Markovitch
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Don't know if they'll continue or not. E Stirlingshire are still going. Wee bit sad, good history, but they have been shocking this season. At that level they have a good fan base so lets see.

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11 May 2019 20:25 #235 by Wukkie
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Dancingbear wrote:

ParcelPete wrote: DH,SP,NC,NDA,and EWM.
And i thought line of duty was complicated.


Can’t we have SP1 and SP2?


Should be GS1 and GS2. G = Gobshite.
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12 May 2019 13:54 #236 by thetashkentterror
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It's pretty shameful that they keep blaming Curle for overspending, who gave him the money to do it?

Typical of the board, taking no responsibility for any failings at the club. Always someone else's fault.
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12 May 2019 14:13 #237 by Zebby
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Waltero wrote: They're making a damm lot more than the majority of the fans I'm sure for what I see for minimal end product.


So are the players..

Be just and fear not
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10 Jun 2019 23:03 #238 by whytakemypostcode
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Dear Mr Holdsworth,

Please get out of our club.

Thank you.

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11 Jun 2019 06:26 #239 by Waltero
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Thank him for what ?? He should just sod off but he's so narscistic he'll be loving all the attention

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11 Jun 2019 06:43 #240 by Markovitch
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Holdsworth was bought in because the Board felt Curle was hugely overpaying players. On the grounds that, it appears that, we significantly cut the wages paid and yet didn't really perform any worse last season, they were right. If Holdsworth is on the alleged grand a week, and he cut the wage bill by (guess) 400k then the Board will be pleased irrespective of views on here. And it's difficult to argue with that.

It would be interesting to know who is responsible for what in the transfer process

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11 Jun 2019 07:00 #241 by Lakelandterrier
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Markovitch wrote: Holdsworth was bought in because the Board felt Curle was hugely overpaying players. On the grounds that, it appears that, we significantly cut the wages paid and yet didn't really perform any worse last season, they were right. If Holdsworth is on the alleged grand a week, and he cut the wage bill by (guess) 400k then the Board will be pleased irrespective of views on here. And it's difficult to argue with that.

It would be interesting to know who is responsible for what in the transfer process


Marko,

Holdsworth came in after Curle had gone. The Custodians did not bring him in, EWM /P Day brought him in. His remit is from EWM on what the club does.

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11 Jun 2019 08:05 #242 by BlueAl
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Well it's a great shame PD isn't a Carlisle fan. Because if he was, like most supporters he would be most unhappy that this once great club that used to punch above it's weight in the old first division has been turned in to a shitty little embarrassment of a club in the gutter. We could and should be so much better than this.
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11 Jun 2019 08:31 #243 by lummy8
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DH has been ordered to cut the wage bill from above , he has done and is doing that.

PD I know was quite involved when he first showed his hand, but I think the enthusiasm has died a little, well it must have looking at the budget.

The good thing about the clear out is that it gives DH the chance to get the players in, and SP to mould them into a team and play his way. Plus their is accountability now which I feel both will enjoy that pressure judging on how they both played the game.

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11 Jun 2019 08:52 - 11 Jun 2019 08:59 #244 by nobbyblue
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If the budget this season is the same as last season we must be getting some decent players in given some of the players that have left were on good contracts (Bennett, Devitt, Parkes, Liddle, Jones, Gerrard, Kennedy, Hope?).

The wage bill of the ten or so players we have signed up at present won't be much. I'd say about £400,000 for the lot of them at most.

So that's £1.0m still to spend on another ten. That's an average of £2000 per week.

I don't see what the problem is. Should get some decent players for that! :-D
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11 Jun 2019 09:39 #245 by Markovitch
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Have Devitt, Hope and Jones officially left? Hope is still under contract, isn't he? If he goes will Etuhu try to get a move as well

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11 Jun 2019 09:46 - 11 Jun 2019 09:47 #246 by nobbyblue
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Well Devitt turned down a contract so it's unlikley he'll be coming back. Looks like Jones might return if he can't get out else and Hope obviously fancies a move as his agent is touting him about.

Why would Ethuhu definitely want a move if Hope goes. They're not joined at the hip!
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11 Jun 2019 11:56 #247 by cufcmike
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I'm not a massive fan of last away game of the season fancy dress, but several hundred blues dressed as the man from the milk tray adverts would be hilarious.

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11 Jun 2019 16:44 #248 by Arragorn
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If we really needed or indeed were forced by EWM to have one then surely we could have done better than Holdsworth?
There must have been guys out there with experience of being a DoF but as usual the cheap option was a failed non-league manager who thinks he is great.
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11 Jun 2019 16:52 - 11 Jun 2019 16:54 #249 by munchymagic
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Arragorn wrote: If we really needed or indeed were forced by EWM to have one then surely we could have done better than Holdsworth?
There must have been guys out there with experience of being a DoF but as usual the cheap option was a failed non-league manager who thinks he is great.


If Holdsworth is head of recruitment then his performance in January when we slumped down the table was abysmal, many managers would have got sacked for that but not him so how are they judging his performance as he seems untouchable?

He bleats on about his budget being cut more than Morecambe and Macclesfield probably do, just cut the crap and get on with your job and stop blaming past employees for your own incompetence.
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18 Jun 2019 12:12 - 18 Jun 2019 12:13 #250 by CCU
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He’s got his own show now! Part 1 of 6...


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