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10 Mar 2018 10:58 #751 by NORTHERNSOUL
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markredfox73 wrote: No ive ever had any response from them since that day..

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Next time you're in the city just drop into the shop and have a word with him

Mind you he.ll probably run and hide in the stockroom like he did when I dropped in to tell him that it appeared that hed blocked me from his twitter by mistake.

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10 Mar 2018 11:09 #752 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Markovitch wrote: You can't take security over playing staff, FA rules don't allow it


No you're right you cant but you can force the club to liquidate the assets ie sell the players and hand over the cash received for them

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10 Mar 2018 11:52 #753 by markredfox73
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To be honest i drove by BP on Thursday.. and i started to feel very aggitated ..

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08 May 2018 07:30 #754 by BlueAl
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Still can't get my head around their involvement. Total silence from them. It's fine to say they got involved cause Jenkins turned off the taps, but what's in it for them? Are they cash rich and need to lend for tax purposes? Is it a freemasonry thing, helping each other out? Large companies don't just get involved without careful consideration. They are for me part of the problem, propping up a failed regime which is going nowhere.
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08 May 2018 09:05 #755 by carwash
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I don't know but I think EWM feel a moral responsibility as the wealthiest company which will be based in Carlisle to support us. The arrangement so far is entirely commercial and lacking in any 'benevolence. Clibbens has said he is working to extend the relationship however I would interpret this as meaning borrowing more money beyond the value of the existing security and relying on the good will of EWM.

Where the relationship will take the Club is unclear but at the moment it is ensuring our survival after Curle spending money like water.
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08 May 2018 09:44 #756 by nomadblue2
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Wasnt there some guy who investigates owners who dont keep fans of a club involved or in the know. Seem to remember this on another thread.

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08 May 2018 09:51 #757 by Lakelandterrier
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For a more solid arrangement EWM will require a shareholding in the club for the money they have put in.
Here is an idea, JN and SP have reasonable shares in the club so, if they cannot provide money to invest they should give their shares to EWM for £1 each, like they paid.

Maybe then EWM will be a big player as to a silent loan shark?

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08 May 2018 10:28 #758 by DeckchairBlue
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carwash wrote: I don't know but I think EWM feel a moral responsibility as the wealthiest company which will be based in Carlisle to support us. The arrangement so far is entirely commercial and lacking in any 'benevolence. Clibbens has said he is working to extend the relationship however I would interpret this as meaning borrowing more money beyond the value of the existing security and relying on the good will of EWM.

Where the relationship will take the Club is unclear but at the moment it is ensuring our survival after Curle spending money like water.


Curle spent the budget he was given, it wasn't his job to make sure the club could afford to provide that budget.
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08 May 2018 15:31 #759 by carwash
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DeckchairBlue wrote:

carwash wrote: I don't know but I think EWM feel a moral responsibility as the wealthiest company which will be based in Carlisle to support us. The arrangement so far is entirely commercial and lacking in any 'benevolence. Clibbens has said he is working to extend the relationship however I would interpret this as meaning borrowing more money beyond the value of the existing security and relying on the good will of EWM.

Where the relationship will take the Club is unclear but at the moment it is ensuring our survival after Curle spending money like water.


Curle spent the budget he was given, it wasn't his job to make sure the club could afford to provide that budget.


True but it's like giving a landscape gardener £5,000 to spend and expecting lots of exotic plants only to find he spends half of it on gravel. This is why the board feel we should have had a better season for the money spent.
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08 May 2018 15:48 #760 by thetashkentterror
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Could have done the back path to the Rugby Club if we'd spent 2.5k on gravel.
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08 May 2018 16:16 - 08 May 2018 16:17 #761 by munchymagic
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DeckchairBlue wrote:

carwash wrote: I don't know but I think EWM feel a moral responsibility as the wealthiest company which will be based in Carlisle to support us. The arrangement so far is entirely commercial and lacking in any 'benevolence. Clibbens has said he is working to extend the relationship however I would interpret this as meaning borrowing more money beyond the value of the existing security and relying on the good will of EWM.

Where the relationship will take the Club is unclear but at the moment it is ensuring our survival after Curle spending money like water.


Curle spent the budget he was given, it wasn't his job to make sure the club could afford to provide that budget.


That will always surprise me the Christmas we sold Wyke, albeit perhaps not our call but they had money coming in and the club were stony broke due to success on the field and we all know how that ended.

Just shows how our boards minds work, they don't, as they provide a larger budget with incentives so they will know in advance the maths and figures that this involves and we are screwed financially a few months in, maybe they were expecting a 'slow burner' season where we creep in at the end.

Think it was Clibbens who said that all the Wyke money went on Proctor which we all know is a crock of shit as well.
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08 May 2018 16:23 #762 by CCU
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When do you celebrate Xmas Munchy?!

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08 May 2018 16:37 #763 by Dancingbear
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The amount of tramadol he’s taking it could be any time ;)

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08 May 2018 17:04 #764 by munchymagic
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CCU wrote: When do you celebrate Xmas Munchy?!


Sorry we were skint by Christmas and Wyke obviously went January :)

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16 May 2018 22:12 #765 by whytakemypostcode
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The club is dying a slow death.

Now, more than ever, it is time for them to break their silence and tell us what the hell they are playing at. I'm sure Jon Colman will drop everything for you Mr Day.

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17 May 2018 04:21 #766 by ParcelPete
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So would mrs Colman.

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17 May 2018 08:28 #767 by Markovitch
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That's why they call her Mrs Mustard?

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17 May 2018 09:29 #768 by newcarlislefan
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carwash wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote:

carwash wrote: I don't know but I think EWM feel a moral responsibility as the wealthiest company which will be based in Carlisle to support us. The arrangement so far is entirely commercial and lacking in any 'benevolence. Clibbens has said he is working to extend the relationship however I would interpret this as meaning borrowing more money beyond the value of the existing security and relying on the good will of EWM.

Where the relationship will take the Club is unclear but at the moment it is ensuring our survival after Curle spending money like water.


Curle spent the budget he was given, it wasn't his job to make sure the club could afford to provide that budget.


True but it's like giving a landscape gardener £5,000 to spend and expecting lots of exotic plants only to find he spends half of it on gravel. This is why the board feel we should have had a better season for the money spent.


Depending on what you read and who you listen to Carlisle's budget has been somewhere between the 6th and 12th in L2 for the past couple of seasons. Look at where the club was when he took over. Carlisle nearly went down. Curle holds the record for the longest unbeaten run in its history.
Next 2 seasons the club finishes 7th and 10th. Should have gone up last year but star striker sold.
This year has been disappointing because recruitment was poor particularly up front but the club has been regularly out bid on the wages front for players they wanted. Talk to Luton fans about their players wages. It's unbelievable what they pay. God knows what Wycombe pay Akinfenwa. Notts County were in the market for a 10k a week Spanish striker.
Northampton and MK Dons have just come down and will be be able to blow Carlisle out of the water with wages.
You could argue Curle could have done better but I'd say that applies to his last season only. Curle didn't get it right up top last year and that cost us. Proctor, Stockton, Waring have all not worked.
Not sure how the board could expect better particularly as they sold Wyke at the worst possible time imaginable. Looking at in terms of money alone, then Carlisle finish about where their spending lies. Accrington are the exception that proves the rule.
The bigger problem now with the current austerity approach is that it's such a drastic, knee jerk, child like reaction to the problem that it threatens the club's tenure in L2. Giving away the most beautiful blooms in the garden and hoping that the seeds you plant can come up to replace them. It's so high risk. It could pay dividends but generally speaking the best players go where the money is. And that isn't Carlisle at the moment.
Surely a more sensible option is gradually reduce the debt. Get rid of a couple of the high earners, save £200K. Keith and the staff have gone. £100k saved maybe? Reduce bonuses etc by a little, save 50K?
Doing something like this you wipe out half of the 700k yearly loss and AJ halves what he needs to put in when compared to this year without the need for such majory surgery.
The current approach is less a clearing out of dead wood and more like a forest fire.
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17 May 2018 10:47 #769 by pacirv
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Very foolish of EWM or anyone else giving money to the clubs owners given their record, they don’t have a clue what they are doing apart from JN enjoying his jolly’s.

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17 May 2018 14:07 - 17 May 2018 14:08 #770 by CCU
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newcarlislefan wrote: Keith and the staff have gone. £100k saved maybe?


Double that, then maybe add half again and you might be nearer a true figure!

Curle will’ve been on £100k alone, probably same amount again would cover Dykes and West, then add in living costs, car/fuel allowances, mobile phones etc.

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17 May 2018 14:23 #771 by mattcufc
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Good post. Picked up on the bonus crack which was something I was talking about yesterday with a mate. I get bonuses on performance one of which I don’t see why it’s bonusable. To me it’s what your employed for and likewise with footballers they are employed to win why bonus them for doing what they are there for? Likewise if I didn’t achieve my targets I would get bollocked and performances managed.

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17 May 2018 14:52 #772 by newcarlislefan
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CCU wrote:

newcarlislefan wrote: Keith and the staff have gone. £100k saved maybe?


Double that, then maybe add half again and you might be nearer a true figure!

Curle will’ve been on £100k alone, probably same amount again would cover Dykes and West, then add in living costs, car/fuel allowances, mobile phones etc.


Wow, was it that much? In that case then £250k from that and 2 high earners out and that's nearly 500k not to find this year. Surely that's more sensible than just a cull and the obvious risks that brings. Evolution not revolution perhaps?

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17 May 2018 15:00 #773 by Urban Designer
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Phil King will have been on 50--70k aswell - if it was bonus related he wont have got it!!

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17 May 2018 15:20 - 17 May 2018 15:20 #774 by DeckchairBlue
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mattcufc wrote: Good post. Picked up on the bonus crack which was something I was talking about yesterday with a mate. I get bonuses on performance one of which I don’t see why it’s bonusable. To me it’s what your employed for and likewise with footballers they are employed to win why bonus them for doing what they are there for? Likewise if I didn’t achieve my targets I would get bollocked and performances managed.


No difference to someone in sales, they are employed to sell, they get a bonus if they hit a set amount/value of sales over a period.

If we pay players bonuses we can potentially benefit by paying them a lower basic wage, which then gives them a incentive to perform higher to achieve more pay, that's what Spurs do with all of their players.
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17 May 2018 15:42 #775 by NORTHERNSOUL
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newcarlislefan wrote:

CCU wrote:

newcarlislefan wrote: Keith and the staff have gone. £100k saved maybe?


Double that, then maybe add half again and you might be nearer a true figure!

Curle will’ve been on £100k alone, probably same amount again would cover Dykes and West, then add in living costs, car/fuel allowances, mobile phones etc.


Wow, was it that much? In that case then £250k from that and 2 high earners out and that's nearly 500k not to find this year. Surely that's more sensible than just a cull and the obvious risks that brings. Evolution not revolution perhaps?


You do realise they are going to have to pay the people who replace them?

Of course, you could lose one wage as its highly unlikely we.ll need anybody doing the recruitment as the job centres will probably be the place most of our summer recruits come from

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17 May 2018 19:30 #776 by Elliott
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Whilst it could be acknowledged that their financial support has prevented an administration surely the current situation is helping no one.

Had they wanted to take control surely they’d have shown their hand prior to the seemingly mass exodus of players and if they don’t they should come out publically because at present simply providing an overdraft facility which is presumably fully drawn is to no-ones benefit and EWM must realise that

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17 May 2018 19:59 #777 by bejustandfearprokas
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I was thinking about this earlier today.

This is quite a simplistic thought and could possibly come across as slightly naive as I know there could be tax reasons for doing what he’s doing, but it did cross my mind. Is the arrangement with EWM just simply Day feeling he can help CUFC out, as some sort of personal social responsibility.

With him living in Dubai and presumably being very busy, does he even know the true state of the club? Is he maybe just thinking ‘they’re a bit short, I could help them out and therefore help my home town out a bit’? Without realising the feeling of fans to the BOD?

Some here have said he’s not even a football fan.
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17 May 2018 20:08 #778 by Cumbrianblue
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This isnt his home town, he aint even Cumbrian, from Stockport.

He is the main financial backer of Carlisle United F.C. although he says that he doesn't like football. He says he supports the team because otherwise it wouldn't exist. Edinburgh Woollen Mill is also the main shirt sponsor of the team.

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17 May 2018 20:23 #779 by ParcelPete
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17 May 2018 20:40 #780 by pacirv
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It's just allowing the incompetents to hang on to the club.
Nobody in their right mind would give money to them given their track record.

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18 May 2018 09:55 #781 by carwash
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Doesn't everybody see what is happening? We tried the big spending approach with Curle which brought us a top 10 position, an annual loss of £700k, no young players of our own being developed, dull football and falling attendances. Clibbens with the tacit support of EWM has said we need to have a different approach.

They have looked at the figures and seen if they take £750k out the playing budget and play attractive football the Club might expect to finish say 10th to 14th but importantly break even. With a good manager we could do much better as Accrington have proved. Add in the prospect of future football fortune from selling on players like we used to do and suddenly the Club looks a much more attractive proposition for new owners/investment.

People are wrong to say EWM are simply keeping the Board in place. They are actually working with Clibbens to bring about change.
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18 May 2018 10:36 #782 by Dancingbear
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Excellent post Carwash, totally agree.

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18 May 2018 11:21 #783 by whytakemypostcode
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carwash wrote: Doesn't everybody see what is happening? We tried the big spending approach with Curle which brought us a top 10 position, an annual loss of £700k, no young players of our own being developed, dull football and falling attendances. Clibbens with the tacit support of EWM has said we need to have a different approach.

They have looked at the figures and seen if they take £750k out the playing budget and play attractive football the Club might expect to finish say 10th to 14th but importantly break even. With a good manager we could do much better as Accrington have proved. Add in the prospect of future football fortune from selling on players like we used to do and suddenly the Club looks a much more attractive proposition for new owners/investment.

People are wrong to say EWM are simply keeping the Board in place. They are actually working with Clibbens to bring about change.


The Club looks would look a much more attractive proposition for new owners if Jenkins simply got on with wiping all the personal and Pioneer debt asap.
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18 May 2018 11:29 #784 by exiledblue
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What on earth are EWM to be blamed for? By all accounts he has no desire to own the football club, he's simply loaning us money whether that be for social responsibility, tax reasons or both. Would the bank be to blame if they were to loan the club money?

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18 May 2018 12:10 #785 by SeepBladder
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I don’t think any bank would lend the club any money these days.

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18 May 2018 15:24 #786 by NORTHERNSOUL
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carwash wrote: Doesn't everybody see what is happening? We tried the big spending approach with Curle which brought us a top 10 position, an annual loss of £700k, no young players of our own being developed, dull football and falling attendances. Clibbens with the tacit support of EWM has said we need to have a different approach.

They have looked at the figures and seen if they take £750k out the playing budget and play attractive football the Club might expect to finish say 10th to 14th but importantly break even. With a good manager we could do much better as Accrington have proved. Add in the prospect of future football fortune from selling on players like we used to do and suddenly the Club looks a much more attractive proposition for new owners/investment.

People are wrong to say EWM are simply keeping the Board in place. They are actually working with Clibbens to bring about change.


But that doesn't make any sense much better to throw the 700k at it get promoted playing good football and recoup it from increased gates and turnover and when promoted a 500k uplift in sponsorship/tv/solidarity payments When did you last see a company succeed by contracting itself in size.

And a club with the playing staff, support and infrastructure in place for the championship are the clubs that will interest serious money investors that fact that they lose 700k a year is irrelevant but of course, in the meantime, you have to have someone willing to cover it or people in place who are capable and imaginative enough to be able to lose the the defecit without cutting the playing budget.

Interested to hear carwash what you think makes Clibbins worth 100 quid never mind 100 grand. Name me one thing hes done to seriously bring more money in.

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18 May 2018 15:52 #787 by carwash
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Barry, you need someone to run the club day-to-day and Clibbens seems to do that perfectly well. I think the budget reduction is all about setting the baseline. Costs escalated under Curle as he wanted to hand out attractive contracts and see his players being well paid. I think the final straw for the board was Curle signing JCR for a nominal fee but paying him good wages for half a season. He came on as a substitute at Wycombe and had a good second half but then was unused until near the end of the season. I suspect Keith only played him then after getting a sharp prod about why we had signed him in the first place. The new manager won't be allowed to waste money like that.

I think if the new manager can get us near the play-offs on a reduced budget by January then there is no reason why extra money can't be found in the January window to try and join the promotion race. As you say at that point it can become self-financing with better attendances and the potential rewards of promotion. However the immediate target will be to stabilise the finances and get ready to sell the club.

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18 May 2018 16:05 #788 by newcarlislefan
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carwash wrote: Doesn't everybody see what is happening? We tried the big spending approach with Curle which brought us a top 10 position, an annual loss of £700k, no young players of our own being developed, dull football and falling attendances. Clibbens with the tacit support of EWM has said we need to have a different approach.

They have looked at the figures and seen if they take £750k out the playing budget and play attractive football the Club might expect to finish say 10th to 14th but importantly break even. With a good manager we could do much better as Accrington have proved. Add in the prospect of future football fortune from selling on players like we used to do and suddenly the Club looks a much more attractive proposition for new owners/investment.

People are wrong to say EWM are simply keeping the Board in place. They are actually working with Clibbens to bring about change.


But if you look at those figures put on the Forum yesterday Carlisle spend an average amount on players wages - 11th, I think. Not sure as to the voracity of those figures but it doesn't seem a million miles off.
I know lots of people don't like Curle but he didn't have a top budget and if the past few seasons have represented a big spending approach then God help the club in its new austerity role. Big spenders are Notts County, Luton, Mansfield, Coventry, Chesterfield, Swindon, Exeter and so on.
Accrington are the only successful team I can see in the bottom 2 divisions doing it on a shoestring. If it was easy and the norm all the clubs would have a weekly wage bill of 15k. It isn't and stories like Accrington attract such interest because they are so unusual. It's not to say that Carlisle can't do that but to spend 3 years putting money into a squad and then dismantling it seems knee jerk.
Wiping out an annual loss of 700k in 1 year is hugely risky if it means slashing the playing staff. I appreciate that racking up debts isn't sustainable in the long term but this feels like a fire sale but with no sales coming in.
It can't go on losing 700k and something needs to change but this has the feel of crushing a butterfly on a wheel.
Sales of players from L2 clubs in the past year over 250K - Wyke's fee, I think, total 9 players. 1 was Ched Evans. 2 were from Exeter, 2 from Luton, 1 from Forest Green, 1 from Coventry, 1 from Lincoln and 1, you've guessed it, 1 from Accrington.
All of these cubs are big spenders apart from Accy.
It's a fantastic model to try and copy and there's nothing wrong in aspiring to it but if you look at stats, successful teams, player sales etc etc it all points to investment unless you happen to have this unique Accy story.
The current slash and burn approach is my eyes just backs the club into a corner. It's like, well tried this, it didn't work so let's do the complete opposite.
If I was Clibbens I spend a week in Exeter and a week in Luton. Speak to everybody from the bottom to the top of the club. And then go to Accy and spend a week there.
It's such a risky strategy just getting rid of the higher earners and hoping that you unearth a new manager who's going to find hidden jewels.
You're right that player sales, as Luton and Exeter have done, generate football fortune but where's the room for it in this model? Player development isn't free.
And in the meantime the club, hopefully won't go down.
I's very risky. It does look good for investment or a takeover but only if it's in L2.
It just all feels so very rushed and draconian at the moment. I hope I'm wrong but it's asking an awful lot to get a new man in who can keep the club going forwards and keeping fans coming in with a lower playing budget.
If breaking even and finishing 14th means new investment then it's been a job well done by Clibbens. We got 10th last year with Clint in the side.
But, boy, it's a hell of a gamble.
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18 May 2018 17:43 #789 by NORTHERNSOUL
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carwash wrote: Barry, you need someone to run the club day-to-day and Clibbens seems to do that perfectly well. I think the budget reduction is all about setting the baseline. Costs escalated under Curle as he wanted to hand out attractive contracts and see his players being well paid. I think the final straw for the board was Curle signing JCR for a nominal fee but paying him good wages for half a season. He came on as a substitute at Wycombe and had a good second half but then was unused until near the end of the season. I suspect Keith only played him then after getting a sharp prod about why we had signed him in the first place. The new manager won't be allowed to waste money like that.

I think if the new manager can get us near the play-offs on a reduced budget by January then there is no reason why extra money can't be found in the January window to try and join the promotion race. As you say at that point it can become self-financing with better attendances and the potential rewards of promotion. However the immediate target will be to stabilise the finances and get ready to sell the club.


How the hell is he running the club perfectly well what has he done except assist Jenkins with his drive to the bottom. He.d be much better employed helping Jenkins find the bloody cheque book for gods sake.

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18 May 2018 17:59 #790 by Flatcap
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Nixon has control of that.:-)

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18 May 2018 18:03 #791 by munchymagic
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carwash wrote: Doesn't everybody see what is happening? We tried the big spending approach with Curle which brought us a top 10 position, an annual loss of £700k, no young players of our own being developed, dull football and falling attendances. Clibbens with the tacit support of EWM has said we need to have a different approach.

They have looked at the figures and seen if they take £750k out the playing budget and play attractive football the Club might expect to finish say 10th to 14th but importantly break even. With a good manager we could do much better as Accrington have proved. Add in the prospect of future football fortune from selling on players like we used to do and suddenly the Club looks a much more attractive proposition for new owners/investment.

People are wrong to say EWM are simply keeping the Board in place. They are actually working with Clibbens to bring about change.


Will everyone stop talking this Accrington bullshit, everyone would love to do an Accrington but only Accrington have managed to do it.

We are a million miles away from being a club like them, fan interaction, a younger ambitious owner, uses its location to attract loan players that they will progress, improving the ground, great facilities and offers to fans regarding drinks and catering - you could go on.

Jenkins idea of improving the ground is toilet paper in the bogs.

We are nothing like them so people need to take their heads our of their arses and realise that we will never be either under Jenkins.

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28 May 2018 20:43 #792 by shaldon1
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As I have stated before EWM are not stupid. I would suggest they have waited to watch developments before taking action. EWM is not just about PD there is an army of brains behind it and I feel sure they will do a deal with AJ to achieve a mutual solution for the club.

I would hope that if and when the deal is done some of the supporters that feature on here would take a more long term sensible view instead of this success overnight attitude that most football supporters have.
If you want to see real supporters go to Rugby Union. A completely different attitude and much more responsible to the community and the sport.

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28 May 2018 20:47 #793 by Mullen103
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shaldon1 wrote: As I have stated before EWM are not stupid. I would suggest they have waited to watch developments before taking action. EWM is not just about PD there is an army of brains behind it and I feel sure they will do a deal with AJ to achieve a mutual solution for the club.

I would hope that if and when the deal is done some of the supporters that feature on here would take a more long term sensible view instead of this success overnight attitude that most football supporters have.
If you want to see real supporters go to Rugby Union. A completely different attitude and much more responsible to the community and the sport.


Yes you go and watch Rugby!

At least we’re not Stockport

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28 May 2018 20:48 #794 by Lakelandterrier
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shaldon1 wrote: As I have stated before EWM are not stupid. I would suggest they have waited to watch developments before taking action. EWM is not just about PD there is an army of brains behind it and I feel sure they will do a deal with AJ to achieve a mutual solution for the club.

I would hope that if and when the deal is done some of the supporters that feature on here would take a more long term sensible view instead of this success overnight attitude that most football supporters have.
If you want to see real supporters go to Rugby Union. A completely different attitude and much more responsible to the community and the sport.



Shaldon, don't tell me how to follow my club. Over night success attitude, we have witnessed 10 years of decline with the current owners!!

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28 May 2018 20:52 #795 by Alan
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28 May 2018 20:53 #796 by Bruntonpasty
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Ill treat your post as sensible even though I think you are a wind up merchant.

I don't think there are many on here who are, as you refer to them, football supporters with a success overnight attitude. Most who post on here would be happy , initially , with an owner who could put into place a plan to halt our ongoing decline. This decline is firmly and fairly on the shoulders of the custodians. We also need an owner who values the supporters and will put in place a plan to attract more support and maintain it. We need forward thinkers not the stuck in the seventies buffoons we have now. Most fans aren't expecting the premier league in five years, personally i hope we never reach the premiership. Most fans just want some hope, something to be optimistic about, a club that is forward looking.

They don't like it up 'em!
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28 May 2018 21:02 #797 by Waltero
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Have they changed your medication recently Shaldon cos your gibbering crap again
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28 May 2018 21:19 #798 by Zebby
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There you Shandon you got a couple of bites


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28 May 2018 22:13 #799 by DeckchairBlue
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How is it possible to accuse any Carlisle fan of having a success over night attitude ?

I've been going to games since I was 5/6 yr old and in that time we've only had 5 or 6 decent seasons, we've finished in the bottom half of the table 13 times and been relegated 4 times. To be a Carlisle supporter is a long hard slog with a few glimmers of light.
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28 May 2018 22:21 - 28 May 2018 22:22 #800 by Cicero
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Shaldon, how many hours a day are you allowed into the room with the computer and the nurse watching incase you get too excited ?
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