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21 Aug 2018 21:43 #901 by shaldon1
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When are you all going to wake up? The pro accountants KPMG/ Lawyers are involved in all this make no mistake about it.I am convinced that that the eventual outcome will be to the benefit of the club.The club has history long before the majority of present day supporters can remember and will continue. As a supporter if that is the case just support the club.
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21 Aug 2018 21:50 #902 by Dazwacky
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Shaldon do you believe KPMG give a fook about CUFC ?? as long as there bill is paid they are not interested, and supporters will always support the club but do we agree with present regime some do some don't what will be will be!!

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21 Aug 2018 21:57 #903 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dazwacky wrote: Barry the facts are PD might not be a footie fan, but AJ has the funds to repay the PG's but he is probably sick and tired of putting money into the club and been advised not to put anymore in, and I genuinely believe PD or people involved will take over in the near future as its a game of poker and unfortunately AJ does not have the money to call PD's bluff in the control of the club so he is in a very difficult place at the moment that is life and we will see new owners shortly #Believe


And do you really believe that PD would be [censored] about like this if he wanted to own the club ? Simply no point. Jenkins would walk for half a million the losses since EWM became involved are twice if not 3 times that [ which clearly they will inherit if they took over ] So they'd have saved half a million if they'd just come in and done the deal on day one. And if their idea of progressing the club is appointing a no mark manager like Sheridan cutting the budget to the bone and bringing in some useless [censored] like Holdsworth then no thanks i.ll take my chances with administration.
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21 Aug 2018 22:10 #904 by Dazwacky
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Barry, Sheridan is a good manager FACT I know people close to him and professional footballers involved also and not one bad word said! he will get us promoted if he gets backing, hopefully PD and other local businessmen will see this and invest if you had looked at our squad and said 6th after 4 games I would have said your lunatic have faith my friend ;-)
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22 Aug 2018 13:56 #905 by franksidebottom
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Inserting the word fact after a statement doesn’t automatically make it a fact, even if you use capitals.

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26 Aug 2018 15:40 #906 by whytakemypostcode
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Was planning to boycott the season like many, however couldn't resist any longer come yesterday morning. I love Carlisle United. I attended. I loved every minute.

Superb energy in Brunton Park come full time. Like myself, four thousand people cheering at full time desperate for success. The passion in their faces and voices said it all.

So come on Mr Day, you hold all the cards, let us dream. Please give us the chance to go on an amazing journey. Please don't let us be the only sports club on the planet owned (in everything but name) by a billionaire, but operated on a shoestring budget!
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26 Aug 2018 19:19 #907 by BlueAl
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Definitely plenty coin there. Heard from a farmer last week PD is buying up farms round Penrith and south Carlisle as soon as they come on the market. Said he owns 35 so far. All to feed his bio mass project apparently. No animals in the fields or tenants allowed in the farmhouse.

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26 Aug 2018 19:46 - 26 Aug 2018 19:55 #908 by CCU
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Is it PD doing it himself or in conjunction with Stobart?

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26 Aug 2018 19:56 #909 by munchymagic
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My pal was interested in the Stobart Biomass side of things and has been a steady competent driver for decades.

Spoke to him later and he said that the money is in what they do with the Biomass and the pay for the driver is less than what he could get working for a local haulier who only owns a few trucks.

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26 Aug 2018 20:01 #910 by orfc
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It's the plot to Quatermass 2 isn't it?

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26 Aug 2018 21:04 #911 by BlueAl
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BlueAl wrote: Definitely plenty coin there. Heard from a farmer last week PD is buying up farms round Penrith and south Carlisle as soon as they come on the market. Said he owns 35 so far. All to feed his bio mass project apparently. No animals in the fields or tenants allowed in the farmhouse.

Not sure, but the farmer was mad about the fact the farm houses were empty and said the future was bad cause there were no cows or sheep on the farms.

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26 Aug 2018 21:14 #912 by Markovitch
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shaldon1 wrote: When are you all going to wake up? The pro accountants KPMG/ Lawyers are involved in all this make no mistake about it.I am convinced that that the eventual outcome will be to the benefit of the club.The club has history long before the majority of present day supporters can remember and will continue. As a supporter if that is the case just support the club.


KPMG were MK's auditors. Didn't stop them helping him takeover the club when they knew he was penniless

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26 Aug 2018 22:40 #913 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Markovitch wrote:

shaldon1 wrote: When are you all going to wake up? The pro accountants KPMG/ Lawyers are involved in all this make no mistake about it.I am convinced that that the eventual outcome will be to the benefit of the club.The club has history long before the majority of present day supporters can remember and will continue. As a supporter if that is the case just support the club.


KPMG were MK's auditors. Didn't stop them helping him takeover the club when they knew he was penniless


Knighton certainly wasn't penniless had he been he wouldn't have got anywhere near the MUFC boardroom and i.d imagine the [censored] off money he got to leave MUFC wasn't inconsiderable either.
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27 Aug 2018 00:35 #914 by nobbyblue
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When the takeover over of Man U fell through one or two said Knighton was a penniless chancer but he proved he had the funds in place. He successfully sued one or two I think over it.

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27 Aug 2018 02:35 #915 by NORTHERNSOUL
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nobbyblue wrote: When the takeover over of Man U fell through one or two said Knighton was a penniless chancer but he proved he had the funds in place. He successfully sued one or two I think over it.


Well I know of one MUFC director whos financial contribution to the getting rid of Knighton fund was well over 100k and his was one of the smallest in fact from what I read at the time that group of fans tried to take it over before the Glaziers got it the butcher who invited Knighton in ended up contributing well over a million

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27 Aug 2018 09:56 #916 by franksidebottom
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Markovitch wrote:

shaldon1 wrote: When are you all going to wake up? The pro accountants KPMG/ Lawyers are involved in all this make no mistake about it.I am convinced that that the eventual outcome will be to the benefit of the club.The club has history long before the majority of present day supporters can remember and will continue. As a supporter if that is the case just support the club.


KPMG were MK's auditors. Didn't stop them helping him takeover the club when they knew he was penniless


Knighton was far from penniless. Just because someone doesn’t spend their own money it doesn’t make them penniless, usually the opposite in fact.

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27 Aug 2018 10:32 #917 by Markovitch
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His property empire collapsed at the start of the 90s and all the property was security for loans. All he had left by about 92/3 was the school and that folded in 95.
At the time he bought CU he was already in serious trouble. His auditors were KPMG Edinburgh but they resigned because of the financial issues

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27 Aug 2018 11:58 #918 by franksidebottom
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Extreme naivety once again Markovitch. Do you think when these businessmen/crooks business empires get into trouble that they lose all their personal wealth?

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27 Aug 2018 12:07 #919 by Laffy
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franksidebottom wrote: Extreme naivety once again Markovitch. Do you think when these businessmen/crooks business empires get into trouble that they lose all their personal wealth?

I’m afraid many do Frank-the number of ‘entrepreneurs’ I have met who have had one good deal then believe their own press is legion.The result is they lose it all on ‘projects’ like football clubs.

I remember when we owned Monstermob and floated it on the market at a value of £250m plus-Martin Higginson the founder and I were fully loaded with stock worth many millions-next minute we had lost a paper fortune as the stock crashed because someone started shorting the stock.Not our finest hour but a huge lesson learned for me.

I don’t believe MK was loaded-asset rich but cash poor but by the end,he had lost most of his wealth.

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27 Aug 2018 12:18 #920 by franksidebottom
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Many may well do but the clever crooks like MK certainly don’t. He was good at spending other people’s money but little of his own.

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27 Aug 2018 12:42 #921 by Markovitch
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franksidebottom wrote: Extreme naivety once again Markovitch. Do you think when these businessmen/crooks business empires get into trouble that they lose all their personal wealth?


More to do with the fact that my first wife worked at KPMG and her best friend was the audit manager in charge of the job. But keep posting Frank, always amusing

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27 Aug 2018 12:45 #922 by Laffy
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I agree Frank-plenty of people out there happy to spend other people’s money but when you ask them to put some meaningful money in alongside your own,you can literally see the terror in their eyes.

Sound familiar?

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27 Aug 2018 13:20 #923 by Markovitch
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There is no need to though is there? The whole principle of the hedge fund is put in £1 then borrow £9.9999m. As long as the return on investment is greater than the rate of bank interest then you are fine. The legacy of Michael Milken and KKR is alive and well today

The whole principle of the Tories isn't? Borrow, borrow, borrow then spend. Not like more fiscally responsible parties

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/t...r-the-last-70-years/

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30 Aug 2018 14:18 #924 by shaldon1
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I would suggest good news today. When I see the new away Kit and EWM once again plastered on the front of the shirts it leads me to believe that PD is not going to have a poor team advertising his network.Perhaps they have a larger say than we think. WATCH THIS SPACE would be my thinking.

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30 Aug 2018 14:25 #925 by Dancingbear
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Is that the space between your ears?

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30 Aug 2018 14:58 #926 by Waltero
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No the space between his ears is full of sh1t
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30 Aug 2018 21:05 #927 by shaldon1
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Why would you and others think I am an idiot? I am a much longer Carlisle united supporter than most of the people on here.I now manage to get to about 2 matches year which like many other supporters I enjoy. If you wish to get into a slanging match start now because I believe Carlisle United will survive in the leagues but not at the level you all seem to expect.
Just enjoy what you have as many others including me do and accept you are not going to hit the high spots but nevertheless we can entertain and enjoy.

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30 Aug 2018 21:42 #928 by BlueAl
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I was privelidged to see Carlisle's only season in the top flight and certainly don't expect them to get there again. But equally why should myself and others have to accept the crap served up over the last nine years, which is the direct responsibility of Jenkins, Pattinson and Nixon.
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31 Aug 2018 00:37 #929 by markredfox73
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"Watch this space"

An empty space

Nothing to see here Shaldon

So just [censored] off eh..?

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31 Aug 2018 08:38 #930 by pacirv
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Not willing to accept survival when so much more could and can be achieved.

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31 Aug 2018 17:44 #931 by shaldon1
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It could be a lot worse if we were in the division below particularly when you look at the names in that league.At least we are avoiding that for now until something more positive is decided as it will be for the future.

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31 Aug 2018 18:10 #932 by Arragorn
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We wont be avoiding it for much longer with the 3 amigos in charge and if you think otherwise you are totally deluded.
The club has never prospered under Jenkins control
If it hadn't been for Knighton taking it off him we would be by now a nice little non-league club to quote Jenkins' comment at the time and OK he didn't exactly come out of it smelling of roses but kept us afloat.
Jenkins and his 2 sidekicks couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery let alone run a football club.
The whole club is a shambles and has been on a downward spiral since Fred walked out the door and gave the idiots the club.
I think a well done to the trust for participating in that one.
Only a change of ownership and kicking CUOSC into the long grass will help our club to survive and move forward
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31 Aug 2018 18:52 #933 by Laffy
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Fear not-change is in the air!
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31 Aug 2018 19:18 #934 by BlueAl
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Splashing out Laffy?

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31 Aug 2018 19:25 #935 by Arragorn
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Change is usually in my pocket :)

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31 Aug 2018 21:00 #936 by Lakelandterrier
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Laffy wrote: Fear not-change is in the air!


C'mon Laffy, what have you heard?
I've heard of EWM getting the majority shareholding..

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31 Aug 2018 21:06 #937 by Laffy
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Not heard anything other than the usual chatter about total lack of cash and the shambolic operational side.Gravity will be our saviour!

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01 Sep 2018 17:04 #938 by Wukkie
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Well the Main Stand is close to crumbling.

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01 Sep 2018 17:17 #939 by ParcelPete
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Laffy wrote: Not heard anything other than the usual chatter about total lack of cash and the shambolic operational side.Gravity will be our saviour!


Thought Isaac Newton was dead.

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01 Sep 2018 19:06 #940 by franksidebottom
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shaldon1 wrote: It could be a lot worse if we were in the division below particularly when you look at the names in that league.At least we are avoiding that for now until something more positive is decided as it will be for the future.


This is exactly the sort of negative thinking which has got us where we are, to coin a phrase from the last forum “we could end up like Stockport” if we dared to have a bit of ambition.

It could be worse yeah, but it could also be so so much better.

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05 Sep 2018 15:35 #941 by lbtufty
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Laffy wrote: Not heard anything other than the usual chatter about total lack of cash and the shambolic operational side.Gravity will be our saviour!


Yeah, Sandra Bullock and co. start filming the lucrative sequel to the space drama shortly with it set in Brunton Park. It was the cheapest film set available without an atmosphere.



Coat on etc.

"If the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off."

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03 Oct 2018 07:14 - 30 Oct 2018 12:34 #942 by Alan
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Unless they are on-board to improve, invest and advance the club I don't see the point in them being here just balancing books whilst having a shit ground and bang average football team isn't good enough.

Or should I be just grateful they've stepped in.
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03 Oct 2018 07:38 #943 by BlueAl
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Was just thinking the same Alan. They've cut the budget, let the three comedians off the hook (they should have been forced out by now), they've brought in Holesworth which has added to the wage bill, as no one's been sacked. Oh and we lost again last night, to a team that's lost the last six games. Everything about Carlisle is crap nowerdays. The people of Cumbria deserve so much better.

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03 Oct 2018 08:17 #944 by pacirv
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Apparently some folk are still happy with what’s going on proof by the lack of action when protests were attempted, so on that basis you get what you deserve. Apathy definitely rules in this city.
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03 Oct 2018 08:33 #945 by Dancingbear
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Protests will never work unless there’s a alternative. Ie if for example Mr Lapping or someone else in association with a popular x player like maybe Mr Lumsdon came forward and said they wanted to take over the club then I’m sure fans would get behind it and protest. At the minute there doesn’t seem to be a appetite for that to happen. I’d like them to sell as much as anyone else but it doesn’t look likely. Even less so now EWM are involved. Whichever way you look at it I think we’re stuck until EWM take over. If that doesn’t happen who in their right minds gonna buy it and have to pay them off?

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03 Oct 2018 17:30 #946 by Laffy
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The shareholders are boxed in-buried in a mountain of debt.Nobody in their right mind would take this on because the simple question of ‘how do you pay it back?’ cannot be answered.

The only hope for them is EWM take this on but tell them to sing for their debt-it represents nothing anyway.

As for the Trust,I’m sad to say the look like lame ducks waiting for their necks to be wrung.Surely they cannot be happy with things just now-attendances collapsing,no clear direction.

EWM can simply sit on their hands and gradually tighten the tourniquet until the stakeholders scream enough

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03 Oct 2018 18:03 #947 by Waltero
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Thumbscrews would be more appropriate Laffy. After all those dinosaurs are living in the past

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03 Oct 2018 19:37 #948 by Oldbolt
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Laffy wrote: The shareholders are boxed in-buried in a mountain of debt.Nobody in their right mind would take this on because the simple question of ‘how do you pay it back?’ cannot be answered.

The only hope for them is EWM take this on but tell them to sing for their debt-it represents nothing anyway.

As for the Trust,I’m sad to say the look like lame ducks waiting for their necks to be wrung.Surely they cannot be happy with things just now-attendances collapsing,no clear direction.

EWM can simply sit on their hands and gradually tighten the tourniquet until the stakeholders scream enough


Andrew - a couple of weeks or so ago, you posted an upbeat post along the lines that change was on its way.
Now you seem less sure.

The scenario you allude to above may well be the one that plays out, but the result may be taking control of a club that has dropped out of the league due to being starved of cash

I'm not sure EWM would share AJ's famously-held view that we would 'make a nice non-league club'

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03 Oct 2018 19:55 #949 by Laffy
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I’m 100pc certain change is coming-timing driven by cash which, given the budget imposed by EWM, is a function of lack of spectators.Im not going back until regime change-better things to do
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03 Oct 2018 20:38 #950 by Lancs blue
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The club has literally run out of money but are de facto owned by one of the wealthiest man in the country
Who knows what Philip Day's motives are but throwing some of his time and more importantly loose change and developing the squad would be much appreciated

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