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04 Dec 2018 16:08 #51 by CCU
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When you look at Salford’s squad, they’ve only got Rooney and Gaffney who are scoring goals. Redmond comes off the bench regularly but doesn’t notch many, so they need another body in the Squad.

Nadesan will match up with their wish list. Cheap enough to buy, wages won’t be a problem and currently scoring goals in L2 (12 in 36 appearances over his Loans here). He’s an ideal fit for them, hence their interest...

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04 Dec 2018 16:36 #52 by triskelionblue
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Shame Barton wouldn't let him play in the Cup for us... he could have added to his 2 against Lincoln in the League in the Cup tie and then we could have the football fortune from Goodison to buy him and keep Nixon in his FA role for the next ten years...

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04 Dec 2018 18:32 #53 by Flatcap
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Salford are second in the National league and are the top scorers. They've only lost two league games.
One point behind Orient at the top and six clear of Harrogate in third.
No brainer for him with a higher wage and joining a successful club with a good chance of promotion.

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05 Dec 2018 08:25 #54 by Markovitch
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Regular first-team football and a guaranteed wage for a couple of years, grab it. He won't progress as a player sitting in the reserves in league 1
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05 Dec 2018 10:14 - 05 Dec 2018 10:20 #55 by lummy8
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Definitely not the case Heikmoon, I knew I could easily play higher, which was proved in the next couple years, but Carlisle seemed more ambitious at that time then Bradford (L1) and Motherwell (S.Prem), which was proved. I had the offer to leave Carlisle a few times to go higher also, but stayed as we were progressing every year. So it isn't always down to the money or the highest level, there are many factors involved.I was happy to be at a club that was at the time ambitious, paid well enough at the time, won matches, had fantastic support in numbers and were attracting good players.

I was far less wages at Carlisle intially when I joined also, I just wanted to play. Decison was the best I made:

Year 1 - Promotion
Year 2 - Title Winners - Crowds of 7000 plus regular (a few 8s,9s,10,000)
Year 3 - Meant to consolidate but nearly got to play offs - Crowds of 7000 plus regular
Year 4 - Play offs - Should have been promoted - Crowds of 8000 plus regular (a few 10s,11s,12s and a 16,000)
Year 5 - Career finished effectively pre seson at Partick
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05 Dec 2018 12:09 #56 by heilkmoon
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lummy8 wrote: Definitely not the case Heikmoon, I knew I could easily play higher, which was proved in the next couple years, but Carlisle seemed more ambitious at that time then Bradford (L1) and Motherwell (S.Prem), which was proved. I had the offer to leave Carlisle a few times to go higher also, but stayed as we were progressing every year. So it isn't always down to the money or the highest level, there are many factors involved.I was happy to be at a club that was at the time ambitious, paid well enough at the time, won matches, had fantastic support in numbers and were attracting good players.

I was far less wages at Carlisle intially when I joined also, I just wanted to play. Decison was the best I made:

Year 1 - Promotion
Year 2 - Title Winners - Crowds of 7000 plus regular (a few 8s,9s,10,000)
Year 3 - Meant to consolidate but nearly got to play offs - Crowds of 7000 plus regular
Year 4 - Play offs - Should have been promoted - Crowds of 8000 plus regular (a few 10s,11s,12s and a 16,000)
Year 5 - Career finished effectively pre seson at Partick


I remember when you signed Lummy and it was definitely a sign that the club was on the up because you were choosing to drop down from a higher level to join us.

I still say though there is a significant difference between your career trajectory and position at the time compared to where Nadesan is now and where he's come from.

He's battled to work his way up from non-league football to get a shot in the league and now it is finally working out for him at this level, the brains trust on here feels he should immediately bin it off to go back to the conference.

I disagree.

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05 Dec 2018 13:00 #57 by lummy8
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Yeah it is a big decision for him, as you say he has worked his way up to League 2 from non league. We don't know what motivates him personally, is it all about playing higher? Is it all about money? Usually it is a bit of both. I think the perfect scenario for him would be that Carlisle came up with the money on a 18 month deal, maybe do a Charlie Wyke and back himself to get goals and move up again. Its a very short career and perhaps being 24 and knowing this is a chance to get some money behind him may prove tempting. I know Salford is a conference club, but it does seem to have big plans and from experience, joining a club like that is sometimes better then being at a club say in League 1 who will settle for just staying in the league each year. personally I wanted to always play for something. If Carlisle for example had stood still in our second season in League 1 I would have looked to move on, but we spent again and looked to better the previous year.

I see the argument on both sides on this one.
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05 Dec 2018 13:10 #58 by seesaw50
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How long have Salford been trying to get into the league...so how long they been backed by the Mancs, are they all still involved?

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05 Dec 2018 13:18 #59 by Dancingbear
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Sadly all things considered Salford are probably a better proposition than we are and if they get promoted this season then im sure if a player chose them over us hed definitely feel vindicated in the decision. As said elsewhere would we be able to compete wages wise anyway?.

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05 Dec 2018 13:25 - 05 Dec 2018 13:25 #60 by CCU
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seesaw50 wrote: How long have Salford been trying to get into the league...so how long they been backed by the Mancs, are they all still involved?


It’s Salford’s first Season in the National League after 3 promotions in 4 Seasons. They were in the Northern Premier League Division 1 North when the ‘Class of 92’ became involved in the Summer of 2014...

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06 Dec 2018 14:54 #61 by jakeyblain
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Surely this is a perfect chance for EWM to show some firm commitment to backing the club by subsidising the cost to bring Nadesan in permanently in January.
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07 Dec 2018 07:50 #62 by CCU
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Maybe not!


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07 Dec 2018 09:54 #63 by CCU
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Bit more here:


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22 Dec 2018 19:15 #64 by CCU
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Salford signed Matt Green from Lincoln this week, thus sorting them the extra striker they need.

Wouldn’t be the biggest surprise if Lincoln were in for Nadesan to replace Green? Surely he impressed in the 2-2 down there and he’d fit in with the way they play...

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22 Dec 2018 19:17 #65 by Urban Designer
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Would people on here want us to sign him for 80k if given the chance?

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22 Dec 2018 19:33 #66 by Dancingbear
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All depends. I wouldn’t say no if they decided to do it however unlikely that may seem. I don’t think he’s brilliant though.

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22 Dec 2018 21:17 #67 by crunchblue
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CCU wrote: Salford signed Matt Green from Lincoln this week, thus sorting them the extra striker they need.

Wouldn’t be the biggest surprise if Lincoln were in for Nadesan to replace Green? Surely he impressed in the 2-2 down there and he’d fit in with the way they play...


Apparently they are in for Mo Eisa on loan from Bristol city.

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05 Jan 2019 18:24 #68 by CCU
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05 Jan 2019 19:00 #69 by ParcelPete
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crunchblue wrote:

CCU wrote: Salford signed Matt Green from Lincoln this week, thus sorting them the extra striker they need.

Wouldn’t be the biggest surprise if Lincoln were in for Nadesan to replace Green? Surely he impressed in the 2-2 down there and he’d fit in with the way they play...


Apparently they are in for Mo Eisa on loan from Bristol city.


Is that him with the funny smile.
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05 Jan 2019 19:08 - 05 Jan 2019 19:09 #70 by Alan
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ParcelPete wrote:

crunchblue wrote:

CCU wrote: Salford signed Matt Green from Lincoln this week, thus sorting them the extra striker they need.

Wouldn’t be the biggest surprise if Lincoln were in for Nadesan to replace Green? Surely he impressed in the 2-2 down there and he’d fit in with the way they play...


Apparently they are in for Mo Eisa on loan from Bristol city.




Is that him with the funny smile.



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08 Jan 2019 09:25 #71 by PaddockRanger
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BBC Cumbria Sport tweeted this tweet this morning

Keen on a deal.

Carlisle United remain in talks with Fleetwood Town over a possible deal for former loan striker Ashley Nadesan.

He returned to @ftfc this week.


also on twitter in reply to Ashley's farewell tweet a number of his team mates at Carlisle thanked him but also hoped to see him soon.
if a transfer went through and he re-signed a permanent deal then I would assume EWM were behind this deal.

i hope its sorted before the Northampton fixture.
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08 Jan 2019 10:08 #72 by crunchblue
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This is Carlisle United. We won’t get him.

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08 Jan 2019 10:12 #73 by Happyblue
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The more time goes on the more confident I'm feeling about signing him, the comments on the chances seem to get more positive and the rumoured fee is now meant to be a lot lower

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08 Jan 2019 10:54 #74 by Markovitch
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If Fleetwood don't get rid of him now he is on the payroll until June when he leaves on a free anyway. I can't see therefore why they would want a fee unless they think they can get something before 31/1. Just a question of agreeing on wages then
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08 Jan 2019 18:35 #75 by Dentonholmersimpson
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With this and Gerrard signing, is this a sign that EWM are tightening their grip?

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08 Jan 2019 20:07 - 08 Jan 2019 20:09 #76 by seesaw50
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Tightening their grip? There must be some slack in the new system of day to day running tho..even with the horror lack of cash stories some keep posting. Am impressed with what's going on with all this.

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08 Jan 2019 21:20 #77 by munchymagic
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seesaw50 wrote: Tightening their grip? There must be some slack in the new system of day to day running tho..even with the horror lack of cash stories some keep posting. Am impressed with what's going on with all this.


If we get Yates back and sign Nadesan then do not get promoted then I say we sack Holdsworth and slate him for all the money that he has wasted on crap signings :)

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08 Jan 2019 23:58 #78 by Northumbrian
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If we up the budget by 35%, finish 10th in the table and play God awful hoofball for the remainder of the season then maybe Munchy.

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09 Jan 2019 07:57 #79 by Markovitch
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Good wee exercise in expectation management here though. On 15/12 everyone was 'who is coming in to strengthen our promotion push?' Now with Sheridan gone, we have more in the kitty and yet everyone will be overjoyed if we just keep the current threadbare squad together. Who says Clibbins doesn't earn his wage eh?

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09 Jan 2019 08:13 #80 by CCU
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Anyone else think there’s a deal to be done here? The lad clearly wants to return, he’s liked any mention on Twitter...


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09 Jan 2019 08:22 #81 by nobbyblue
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Barton seems to rate him and might give him a chance there. If he does play for them at least he won't be going anywhere else this season and might end up back on loan.

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09 Jan 2019 08:44 #82 by lummy8
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The EWM influence is growing thankfully, money for players and they are dealing with manager situation.

Some dead wood in that building now...

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09 Jan 2019 08:48 #83 by sirjimmyglass
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Markovitch wrote: Good wee exercise in expectation management here though. On 15/12 everyone was 'who is coming in to strengthen our promotion push?' Now with Sheridan gone, we have more in the kitty and yet everyone will be overjoyed if we just keep the current threadbare squad together. Who says Clibbins doesn't earn his wage eh?


On 15/12 we hadn't won 5 games on the spin, thus showing that the team is good enough to compete.

The consensus a month ago was that some of these players, while decent enough, were not good enough to challenge for promotion. Let us enjoy the fact that, for the moment, we're being proven wrong.
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09 Jan 2019 08:50 - 09 Jan 2019 09:13 #84 by nobbyblue
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I know this has been said many times but how does John Nixon justify his position.

He got his share in the club for nowt and became a custodian of the club with a view to taking it forward. He says he's taking a back seat now and doing nowt but still getting all the perks. If he'd ploughed money into the club that would be fair enough but that's not the case.
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09 Jan 2019 08:58 - 09 Jan 2019 08:58 #85 by lummy8
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Unfortunately Nobby some people just seem to fall on their feet at times.

Take heart that the influence is reducing from him, the FA stuff which he says we should all be proud of is a bitter pill at times when it has looked at times that is his priority, but I say lets focus on the present.

Whatever people say or think, AJ and SP would be at Brunton Park I think even if they were not involved over the years, I do think there is a genuine passion for the club from both, in fact I know there is.

JN was never a football fan, he came in to crunch some numbers so for him to say he loves the club etc just isn't bought by supporters, and in 10 years he has proved it really, when I have met him its been about JN not CUFC.
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09 Jan 2019 09:14 #86 by Latrigg blue
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Nixon should of been a politician, he can't give a straight answer to any question.
It's time for the board to step up ,if EWM have any interest in progressing the club forward ,money has to be made available.
I didn't renew my season ticket, but have attended games .
Not one phone call from the club to ask why ?
Shows the day to day running of the club ,still has a long way to go

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09 Jan 2019 09:19 #87 by lummy8
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EWM from what I have seen and heard, are flexing their muscles this transfer window, not sure how much is available though.

I feel David Holdsworth "gets it", he wants professionalism and knows what is needed, lets hope he can persuade PD to commit even more then he is.
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09 Jan 2019 09:28 #88 by Latrigg blue
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A question Lummy .
Is Holdsworth been paid by the club or is he been employed by EMW ?
Maybe I've missed this information.
Would be easier to prize the money out of EWM if he was been paid by them .

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09 Jan 2019 09:37 - 09 Jan 2019 09:39 #89 by pedals
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The noises coming out of the club are certainly positive at the moment even though this has been the case at times before and nothing has come of it ("we tried to sign X, Y and Z but they went elsewhere, so we're happy with what we have.") Renewing Gerrard's contract was huge and, even though he isn't quite as good as Clint Hill, having him around will have a bearing on players staying and coming into the club. It sounds like he's been given a small increase on the deal he was on before and I'd imagine he will have wanted assurances of what our plans are this month. I don't think Yates will be far behind and there is a lot of positive talk about Nadesan, and I suspect he will be back one way or another. This is all based on what the current mood seems to be and of course that could all still be torn away from us. Sowerby is vital to how we're playing too, as is Devitt. Fleetwood would have sold Sowerby to us when we first signed him on loan and we couldn't afford the small fee they wanted. That may now have been a huge opportunity missed as he looks good enough to play in the league above at present, but it is what it is - hopefully EWM can get something done.

As mentioned, tying Devitt down is imperative as I think he's our most important player at present. A class above. I'd rather he leaves in the summer for free than sell him for a lower fee now as we wouldn't be able to replace a player of his quality. It's no coincidence that he's flourishing for us with the likes of Nadesan and Hope in the side in a system that suits them. All in all, we need to keep all the players who've been in the starting XI recently to be in with a chance of going up. Keeping them is the bare minimum as a couple of injuries in key areas would let all of that fall apart. We were in the play-off places early on this season when everyone was fit and then had that awful run when a few players were absent. So, if we keep all of the recent loan players, tie Devitt down until summer at least and add one of two other squad players, I think we'll be there or thereabouts. Over to you EWM.
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09 Jan 2019 10:00 - 09 Jan 2019 10:01 #90 by crunchblue
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CCU wrote: Anyone else think there’s a deal to be done here? The lad clearly wants to return, he’s liked any mention on Twitter...


It’s clear he wants the move here. As you say going by his twitter activity, he likes anything related to him potentially staying at Carlisle, yet hasn’t liked any of the stuff from Fleetwood or their fans about him returning to training.

It’s good to see a player who genuinely wants to be here despite our location and gives everything for the shirt. We should go all out to get him.

Still have that feeling of “this is Carlisle United, prepare for disappointment” inside me though.
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09 Jan 2019 10:17 - 09 Jan 2019 10:20 #91 by orfc
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Day/EWM need to look on United as a rolling advertising campaign. For £100K we could secure key players and in May either be shown on telly wearing EWM logos celebrating promotion or walking out at wembley for a play off final.

PS Apparently you pay 3-4K for a 30 second telly advert anyways (not to mention the cost of filming it)
www.thedrum.com/news/2017/02/22/how-much...nd-more-charge-slots

PPS. Not that I've ever seen an EWM telly advert...

PPPS. That link reckons you get a 30-second slot on some sports channels for £5!?!?!? I may just make a youtube video saying how great I am and get it beamed out.
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09 Jan 2019 11:43 #92 by Markovitch
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I still don't think we have enough players to push on. Keep Nadesan, Gerrard and Yates but in addition add a left back, right midfield and goalkeeper

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09 Jan 2019 12:07 #93 by CCU
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Why would we need a left back (Grainger and Gillesphey) or Goalkeeper (Collin and Gray)???

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09 Jan 2019 12:19 #94 by DeckchairBlue
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CCU wrote: Why would we need a left back (Grainger and Gillesphey) or Goalkeeper (Collin and Gray)???


That lad from Boro is still registered with us too isn't he ?

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09 Jan 2019 12:25 #95 by CCU
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DeckchairBlue wrote:

CCU wrote: Why would we need a left back (Grainger and Gillesphey) or Goalkeeper (Collin and Gray)???


That lad from Boro is still registered with us too isn't he ?


Yes. Asked DH at CUSG what script was here, he said he was still ‘ours’ but they were hoping for a deal to be done with Boro, who are usually pretty sound with youngsters...

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09 Jan 2019 12:43 #96 by CCU
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Barton indicates that Nadesan could even start for Fleetwood this week. One advantage of him appearing would be he can’t play for another team this Season if so due to the ‘Two Club’ rule. Seems to say that Sowerby will return to them too...


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09 Jan 2019 12:44 - 09 Jan 2019 12:45 #97 by crunchblue
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Sounds like Fleetwood plan to keep both Nadesan and Sowerby for the second half of the season.
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09 Jan 2019 12:57 #98 by crunchblue
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Reading Barton’s comments that he’s a possible starter for the weekend, I’m now convinced that this “if we can we’ll get Nadesan” line from CUFC was just total bollocks to make it look like they are trying.

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09 Jan 2019 13:00 #99 by Southernblue
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crunchblue wrote: Reading Barton’s comments that he’s a possible starter for the weekend, I’m now convinced that this “if we can we’ll get Nadesan” line from CUFC was just total bollocks to make it look like they are trying.


Or maybe Barton is using it as an angle to get a few K more out of us
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