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13 Oct 2018 14:14 #101 by Mouldy
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No. We were told volunteer role or club employee along other duties a la Nigel Dickinson.

The team scenario is to help share workload of what could be a full time job. Someone with the enthusiasm and drive but no social media skills for example would need assistance in that area.


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13 Oct 2018 14:21 #102 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mouldy wrote: No. We were told volunteer role or club employee along other duties a la Nigel Dickinson.

The team scenario is to help share workload of what could be a full time job. Someone with the enthusiasm and drive but no social media skills for example would need assistance in that area.


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Thats what I said

So why not grow a pair and tell them thats not acceptable and insist on a paid one or whoever they appoint will simply be shunned time the likes of Clibbins and Holdsworth and their puppetmaster Jenkins got a good kicking

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13 Oct 2018 14:48 - 13 Oct 2018 14:52 #103 by Mouldy
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Mouldy wrote: No. We were told volunteer role or club employee along other duties a la Nigel Dickinson.

The team scenario is to help share workload of what could be a full time job. Someone with the enthusiasm and drive but no social media skills for example would need assistance in that area.


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Thats what I said

So why not grow a pair and tell them thats not acceptable and insist on a paid one or whoever they appoint will simply be shunned time the likes of Clibbins and Holdsworth and their puppetmaster Jenkins got a good kicking


No it’s not what you said, Barry. You asked if we were told team or nothing. That is not what we were told.

We were told volunteer or nothing and CUSG then chatted and came to the conclusion it’s too big for one single volunteer so let’s have a figurehead and a support team.

I made the feelings clear it should be a paid role. I don’t think there was much point threatening violence, I dare say it would have just resulted in the same outcome but not having the pleasure of going back to CUSG meetings - something I’m sure many would be all for, that said.

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13 Oct 2018 15:15 #104 by lbtufty
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"...pay a number of lads to ramp up the atmosphere in the home end providing them with banners and bullhorns etc."

Fully behind that idea while at the risk of sounding like a wet liberal, isn't there room to have both this and the SLO support team concept?

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13 Oct 2018 15:40 - 13 Oct 2018 15:42 #105 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mouldy wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Mouldy wrote: No. We were told volunteer role or club employee along other duties a la Nigel Dickinson.

The team scenario is to help share workload of what could be a full time job. Someone with the enthusiasm and drive but no social media skills for example would need assistance in that area.


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Thats what I said

So why not grow a pair and tell them thats not acceptable and insist on a paid one or whoever they appoint will simply be shunned time the likes of Clibbins and Holdsworth and their puppetmaster Jenkins got a good kicking


No it’s not what you said, Barry. You asked if we were told team or nothing. That is not what we were told.

We were told volunteer or nothing and CUSG then chatted and came to the conclusion it’s too big for one single volunteer so let’s have a figurehead and a support team.

I made the feelings clear it should be a paid role. I don’t think there was much point threatening violence, I dare say it would have just resulted in the same outcome but not having the pleasure of going back to CUSG meetings - something I’m sure many would be all for, that said.


No, you were told its this cockeyed scheme or the club simply appoint another puppet is that not the case because thats what i was told and what i said earlier

When I think you would be better simply telling them you don't find that acceptable and offer them the solution that we tip all the directors upside down till we get the money to fund the position see how that goes down with that tight Yorkshire cu.nt Clibbins.

And while you're at it mention the name Carlton Jennings to him and see what reaction you get

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13 Oct 2018 16:12 #106 by triskelionblue
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That pre match shit about volunteering I wouldn't volunteer to do anything to compensate for this mis run shambles for the last 10 years... this board [censored] off maybe but any effort for these inept Muppets is a total waste
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13 Oct 2018 21:34 #107 by Bumble
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I popped in to see CUOSC before the match. I was assured that they see the roles of SLO beign carried out by fans and led by a fan. They feel the role of SLO is too much for one person and should be carried out by a team with one of the team beign the lead.

I still feel that the role of SLO should be chosen first and then the team chosen byh the SLO but I am happy to see they are far mmore on the same page as I originally thought.

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13 Oct 2018 21:49 #108 by High Street
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Surely Big Man Pattinson in his maroon blazer wandering round the ground at half 2, then being surrounded by his disciples in the car park, is enough of an SLO?

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13 Oct 2018 21:57 #109 by Dancingbear
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I can’t believe so many people seem bothered about this. I’m about as bothered as Alan is.

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14 Oct 2018 09:42 #110 by Alan
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Can I ask I simple question on this topic that would justify the necessity of this position in this first place.

Would a Club having an SLO influence wether or not you attended a football match?

The answer is no !

I never once heard anyone say "oooooo we arn't going there they have no SLO's on duty"

I think we all know what will improve the matchday experience and get feet back on the terraces and arses on seats.
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14 Oct 2018 11:11 - 14 Oct 2018 11:43 #111 by Bumble
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Alan wrote: Can I ask I simple question on this topic that would justify the necessity of this position in this first place.

Would a Club having an SLO influence wether or not you attended a football match?

The answer is no !

I never once heard anyone say "oooooo we arn't going there they have no SLO's on duty"

I think we all know what will improve the matchday experience and get feet back on the terraces and arses on seats.


I suppose it depends on how you feel about the general decline at Brunton Park and the devide between club and fans. You can have a bit of a moan on a message board and stop going to matches (which is everyone's right), or you can look at things that may make a slight improvement however small because you want things to get better.

I really feel if we can get the right SLO they could do far more than wander round on a match day. If they are independent of, but respected by all the different groups and factions currently at the club, then there coud be a chance of finally getting a worthwhile supporters club working. Something I feel the club needs. A SLO who can stand up to the heirachy at the club and, using diplomacy as well as truth, could help to close the chasm of mistrust that currently hangs round the place.

To me that's important.

I know for some folk, who have been totally sickened, everything the club does is bad. Every thread has posts that critisise and any good thing happening is by accident or by some outside force. I understand that, the feeling that it's just broken, but I just think that if there is a little chance to mend things just a little it's worth a chance.

The messageboard has been quiet lately. It's tempting to think it's because folk have given up. When I talk to folk who used to frequent the messageboard though the most common reason for not posting anyore is because the messageboard is too negative. All criticism, too quick to jump on anything new.

So, no I can't bring new owners to the club.

Am I happy with the club at the moment? No.

Am I ready to give up on the club and not go anymore? No.

So I'll look for little things that I can do to make things better and pushing for an SLO is one of those things.
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14 Oct 2018 11:18 #112 by Dancingbear
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What groups and factions are there? I go with my wife and son and sit with my mates as well. A SLO has absolutely no bearing on it and I’d imagine it’s the same for 99.9% of supporters.

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14 Oct 2018 11:42 #113 by Bumble
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Dancingbear wrote: What groups and factions are there? I go with my wife and son and sit with my mates as well. A SLO has absolutely no bearing on it and I’d imagine it’s the same for 99.9% of supporters.



Which is great Dancing Bear but there are times fans, particularly lone fans, need some one to help them and don't know how to get that help, more so at an away game. It's not essential to have a proactive SLO, there are folk at games who give assistance when needed without a title but is it really so distasteful for Carlisle United, who has to have an SLO like every other club in the country, actually has one who represents the fans and does a worthwhile job?

Regarding different groups, all the groups that make up GUSG. Already these groups, whilst keeping their independence, seem to be working together on projects and raising money. I would like to see this continue and those fans who aren't in one of those groups brought in to help, so that everyone who wants to can get involved.

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14 Oct 2018 11:45 #114 by Mullen103
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The problem for me re the SLO began when I contacted ours ND to then have a wait for a week to then be told “sorry I don’t know contact the other club” which was pathetic really.

So I did and realised how such a good job other clubs did this SLO thing and how poor ours was. Easy information, helpful and going above/beyond for suporters.

The club, trust and later CUSG had a chance to call our then SLO out but never did but now want to get on board. Odd.

Supporters are Carlisle are given a raw deal and bad experience and an SLO could help with that. But the club wants to wash its hands of it and all responsibility of it. That’s the way I see it.

At least we’re not Stockport

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14 Oct 2018 11:58 #115 by CarlisleWhite
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This is just getting silly now, as it happens so many times - it is yet another example of the 4 amigos putting cheap blocks between them and the fans.
Will the SLO sort the bird shit on the seats? Will the SLO sort the regular ticket fiascos? Will the SLO sort the broekn seats. Will the SLO help to sort the lack of atmosphere?
The answer each of the above (and many) more is obvious, and these are the things that will help sort the atmosphere, but you can almost see smug Pattinson at the next forum "but we gave you an SLO and you are still not happy". I've gone to Leeds for years when we have been dogshit, but thoroughly enjoyed the day out because of the atmosphere.
If they had any intention of it being a cause for improvement it would be paid. 10 hours a week to the right person is not going to break the bank.

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14 Oct 2018 12:10 - 14 Oct 2018 12:12 #116 by CCU
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From the FSF website, SLO section:

My club says it doesn't need an SLO. What should I do?

Under the Premier League’s own rules clubs must now appoint “a dedicated and identified official” to act as a club’s SLO. Football League clubs have also agreed to appoint an individual to perform a similar role and “develop further constructive and open dialogue” with fans. Non-league clubs do not need to have an SLO, although some understand the benefit and do (e.g. FC United). If your club insists it doesn't need an SLO let us know via This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..


www.fsf.org.uk/slo/slo-faqs/

So, the Club has to have one. It’s how it’s done that is the key.

Because the position was almost put upon Nigel Davidson, it’s sat in the background for a long time. Many Blues probably didn’t even know we had one!

As I’ve previously said, the ill-fated ‘Fans Rep’ role, should probably have been given the title of ‘CUFC SLO’. They would’ve been an independently elected Fan, who could’ve then taken charge of the CUSG Meetings, organised the Meet n Greet team, assisted the Disabled Group and generally anything else related as part of their role.

There’s no need for them to be on the Board either IMO, that over complicates things, they should however have regular meetings with the Club after games with a report of anything that had been brought to their attention.

No reason why they couldn’t be paid, say from 12-6 for Home games, and say 2-6 for Away games either. And provided with free tickets for all games, and travel costs.

The average match going fan will likely never need to interact with an SLO, but there are plenty who will do for many varying reasons.

It really is a simple thing to sort, but as usual (And oh so typically Carlisle!) it’s been done in such a way that it looks over complicated to many...

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14 Oct 2018 13:05 #117 by seesaw50
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My first thought was it was a great idea to have a team of SLOs but the more I think of it stuff could get forgotten easily as more scope for the SLOs to not communicate stuff in a timely way. If we are talking more meet and greet obviously a team is required. (Not sure why we need M&Gs, as the security guys on all entrances surely can answer any access questions) However maybe a max of two actual SLOs stationed at two accessible points would be better. Say one at the Study Centre and one near or in the Youth Zone.
It's getting over egged ....perhaps .

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14 Oct 2018 13:12 #118 by mattcufc
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Yet another team/group of people to attend meetings while nothing ever gets done.
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14 Oct 2018 13:50 - 14 Oct 2018 13:51 #119 by Bumble
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How do you suggest things get done Matt?
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14 Oct 2018 14:20 #120 by mattcufc
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To be honest I really don’t know or given it much thought. I think the club really is at a point of no return in its current state. The issue of too many different groups has being common place for years now I just don’t think adding another one to it will achieve anything except some more people to attend a meeting.
This isn’t just the supporters groups but from the top down we are top heavy with people who probably have lots of meetings but don’t actually achieve anything.

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14 Oct 2018 15:16 #121 by Bumble
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It's hard, and I do see where you're coming from.

It's so frustrating that things, good ideas, are discussed then disappear, sometimes through lack of funds, sometimes I fear because they are not seen as relevant by the club.

But sometimes I get the feeling that many fans are just sitting waiting. Waiting for this knight in shining armour to come and take over. That everything is going to be ok, I just don't see it will be.

For those who have genuinly walked away from the club and found other things to do. Yes I can understand that, but those are the folk who aren't still on the messageboard or taking in an occasional match. They are gone.

For the rest, including me who feels very disallusioned, it's tempting to do nothing, but I honestly think the thing we are doing by standing back is seeing our club die.

I don't see any knight in shining armour, not even in rusty armour. There are at least half the EFL clubs for sale, nearly all at a less challenging location. All with a less challenging ownership than us, who has a 25% ownership with a minority fans group and a "benefactor" with a charge on the ground.

Anyone who is content to walk away for good, that's their choice, but those who are staying away in the hope eventually things will change are more optimistic than I.

I am convinced that unless the club and fans can find a way to move forward together, then, with a spiralling debt and a decreasing crowd the club will eventualy fold or at best be a non League club some way down the pyramid.

So maybe there are too many groups talking. I actually hope that having an active SLO will bring the groups together rather than have more groups.

For me it's well worth a go, because it's better than doing nothing.
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14 Oct 2018 18:57 #122 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CCU wrote: From the FSF website, SLO section:

My club says it doesn't need an SLO. What should I do?

Under the Premier League’s own rules clubs must now appoint “a dedicated and identified official” to act as a club’s SLO. Football League clubs have also agreed to appoint an individual to perform a similar role and “develop further constructive and open dialogue” with fans. Non-league clubs do not need to have an SLO, although some understand the benefit and do (e.g. FC United). If your club insists it doesn't need an SLO let us know via This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..


www.fsf.org.uk/slo/slo-faqs/

So, the Club has to have one. It’s how it’s done that is the key.

Because the position was almost put upon Nigel Davidson, it’s sat in the background for a long time. Many Blues probably didn’t even know we had one!

As I’ve previously said, the ill-fated ‘Fans Rep’ role, should probably have been given the title of ‘CUFC SLO’. They would’ve been an independently elected Fan, who could’ve then taken charge of the CUSG Meetings, organised the Meet n Greet team, assisted the Disabled Group and generally anything else related as part of their role.

There’s no need for them to be on the Board either IMO, that over complicates things, they should however have regular meetings with the Club after games with a report of anything that had been brought to their attention.

No reason why they couldn’t be paid, say from 12-6 for Home games, and say 2-6 for Away games either. And provided with free tickets for all games, and travel costs.

The average match going fan will likely never need to interact with an SLO, but there are plenty who will do for many varying reasons.

It really is a simple thing to sort, but as usual (And oh so typically Carlisle!) it’s been done in such a way that it looks over complicated to many...


Theres no need to turn it into a wage just agree a number of items that can be invoiced for and it can be done on a self-employed basis which also if done correctly in most cases would make the job worth approximately 20% more [ no tax to pay ] and it also helps maintain independence by not being an employee.

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14 Oct 2018 19:32 #123 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bumble wrote: It's hard, and I do see where you're coming from.

It's so frustrating that things, good ideas, are discussed then disappear, sometimes through lack of funds, sometimes I fear because they are not seen as relevant by the club.

But sometimes I get the feeling that many fans are just sitting waiting. Waiting for this knight in shining armour to come and take over. That everything is going to be ok, I just don't see it will be.

For those who have genuinly walked away from the club and found other things to do. Yes I can understand that, but those are the folk who aren't still on the messageboard or taking in an occasional match. They are gone.

For the rest, including me who feels very disallusioned, it's tempting to do nothing, but I honestly think the thing we are doing by standing back is seeing our club die.

I don't see any knight in shining armour, not even in rusty armour. There are at least half the EFL clubs for sale, nearly all at a less challenging location. All with a less challenging ownership than us, who has a 25% ownership with a minority fans group and a "benefactor" with a charge on the ground.

Anyone who is content to walk away for good, that's their choice, but those who are staying away in the hope eventually things will change are more optimistic than I.

I am convinced that unless the club and fans can find a way to move forward together, then, with a spiralling debt and a decreasing crowd the club will eventualy fold or at best be a non League club some way down the pyramid.

So maybe there are too many groups talking. I actually hope that having an active SLO will bring the groups together rather than have more groups.

For me it's well worth a go, because it's better than doing nothing.


Barbara if the club was properly put up for sale with a half-page ad in FB magazine and the issues of whos owed how much and how soon they want it back were made transparent I can assure you it would be in the top half dozen clubs of interest to potential owners.. Theres any number of reasons for that but the main one would be that the sale would include the real estate which two-thirds of clubs at this level no longer do meaning a new owner could pay off EWM and then borrow the money back secured on the ground.

And take yourself back to Mr Knighton he had 9 potential purchases on his list and he chose us now whatever else he might have been the bloke wasn't a fool and as he once told me which other club is 60 miles from any other in any direction and guess what the answer is none.

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15 Oct 2018 08:11 - 15 Oct 2018 08:16 #124 by mattcufc
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Bumble unfortunately I’m one of those who has just lost interest in going to the games now and I more and more people every Saturday who are giving the game a miss.
I give it a go at Stevenage match and found nothing had changed really despite all the meetings and plans of action/sets of minutes by CUSG and CUIST.
Is the appointment of a volunteer SLO going to improve this situation? I doubt it as unfortunately as a volunteer position it is not going to attract the right person who in their right mind would want to do this for free?

Would a paid SLO work better? Probably not as they will be hired by the BOD and they aren’t going to hire someone who is going to get in there face and want improvements.

I think a lot of the issues should already fall under someone at the clubs remit but there is just no ownership of problems at Carlisle United just laying the blame at someone else’s door.
Ultimately to me this is the BOD for not holding Clibbens accountable for being an actual C.E.O who should be overseeing every aspect of the day to day running of the club
instead using him as there puppet in the press to deflect blame.
Clibbens likewise is to blame as surely he should be holding his subordinates accountable for the poor performance around the matchday experience.
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15 Oct 2018 08:21 #125 by Bumble
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Bumble wrote: It's hard, and I do see where you're coming from.

It's so frustrating that things, good ideas, are discussed then disappear, sometimes through lack of funds, sometimes I fear because they are not seen as relevant by the club.

But sometimes I get the feeling that many fans are just sitting waiting. Waiting for this knight in shining armour to come and take over. That everything is going to be ok, I just don't see it will be.

For those who have genuinly walked away from the club and found other things to do. Yes I can understand that, but those are the folk who aren't still on the messageboard or taking in an occasional match. They are gone.

For the rest, including me who feels very disallusioned, it's tempting to do nothing, but I honestly think the thing we are doing by standing back is seeing our club die.

I don't see any knight in shining armour, not even in rusty armour. There are at least half the EFL clubs for sale, nearly all at a less challenging location. All with a less challenging ownership than us, who has a 25% ownership with a minority fans group and a "benefactor" with a charge on the ground.

Anyone who is content to walk away for good, that's their choice, but those who are staying away in the hope eventually things will change are more optimistic than I.

I am convinced that unless the club and fans can find a way to move forward together, then, with a spiralling debt and a decreasing crowd the club will eventualy fold or at best be a non League club some way down the pyramid.

So maybe there are too many groups talking. I actually hope that having an active SLO will bring the groups together rather than have more groups.

For me it's well worth a go, because it's better than doing nothing.


Barbara if the club was properly put up for sale with a half-page ad in FB magazine and the issues of whos owed how much and how soon they want it back were made transparent I can assure you it would be in the top half dozen clubs of interest to potential owners.. Theres any number of reasons for that but the main one would be that the sale would include the real estate which two-thirds of clubs at this level no longer do meaning a new owner could pay off EWM and then borrow the money back secured on the ground.

And take yourself back to Mr Knighton he had 9 potential purchases on his list and he chose us now whatever else he might have been the bloke wasn't a fool and as he once told me which other club is 60 miles from any other in any direction and guess what the answer is none.


I actually don't get this thing about putting an advert in the papers to say we are for sale. Your point about Knighton actually says that's not how it works.

Any decent potential owner, who, for some reason wants to buy a League2 club (I can't see many unless they have some alegiance to the club in question) will have done his research and found out which club has the potential to be bigger (location, crowd potential, facilities etc). Then he would get staff to approach the club and see if a deal could be done. To me an advert in the paper is most likely just to attract chancers.

I totally agree Knighton wasn't a fool and know he was looking at other clubs besides us. Would he have continued to look at us if then, we had a minority fans group owning 25% and a charge on th ground? I don't think so, I think he would have gone elsewhere.

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15 Oct 2018 10:21 - 15 Oct 2018 10:39 #126 by Bumble
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mattcufc wrote: Bumble unfortunately I’m one of those who has just lost interest in going to the games now and I more and more people every Saturday who are giving the game a miss.
I give it a go at Stevenage match and found nothing had changed really despite all the meetings and plans of action/sets of minutes by CUSG and CUIST.
Is the appointment of a volunteer SLO going to improve this situation? I doubt it as unfortunately as a volunteer position it is not going to attract the right person who in their right mind would want to do this for free?

Would a paid SLO work better? Probably not as they will be hired by the BOD and they aren’t going to hire someone who is going to get in there face and want improvements.

I think a lot of the issues should already fall under someone at the clubs remit but there is just no ownership of problems at Carlisle United just laying the blame at someone else’s door.
Ultimately to me this is the BOD for not holding Clibbens accountable for being an actual C.E.O who should be overseeing every aspect of the day to day running of the club
instead using him as there puppet in the press to deflect blame.
Clibbens likewise is to blame as surely he should be holding his subordinates accountable for the poor performance around the matchday experience.


I fully get what you're saying. I've given up myself a few times. I've even got to the ground started queuing for a ticket and turned round and gone home the place was just too depressing.

The lack of direction from inside the club is depressing. No one seems to want to shake things up and get things going.

I do feel fans trying to get things done is better than doing nothing. It may take a few meetings, it may take longer than we'd like. When folk are volunteers with jobs, things take longer but part of the point of talking and having meetings is to get things that need attention in the open. Things the press pick up on, things that some one at the club didn't know about and can do something about. They aren't going to bring a change of ownership but if they bring about a few little things that are better it's better than nothing.

Carlisle United has been a League club for 90 years except for one season. I would hate it not to reach it's 100th year. I think, if fans continue to walk away and nothing changes there is a fair chance it won't make it.
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15 Oct 2018 10:30 - 15 Oct 2018 10:44 #127 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bumble wrote: It's hard, and I do see where you're coming from.

It's so frustrating that things, good ideas, are discussed then disappear, sometimes through lack of funds, sometimes I fear because they are not seen as relevant by the club.

But sometimes I get the feeling that many fans are just sitting waiting. Waiting for this knight in shining armour to come and take over. That everything is going to be ok, I just don't see it will be.

For those who have genuinly walked away from the club and found other things to do. Yes I can understand that, but those are the folk who aren't still on the messageboard or taking in an occasional match. They are gone.

For the rest, including me who feels very disallusioned, it's tempting to do nothing, but I honestly think the thing we are doing by standing back is seeing our club die.

I don't see any knight in shining armour, not even in rusty armour. There are at least half the EFL clubs for sale, nearly all at a less challenging location. All with a less challenging ownership than us, who has a 25% ownership with a minority fans group and a "benefactor" with a charge on the ground.

Anyone who is content to walk away for good, that's their choice, but those who are staying away in the hope eventually things will change are more optimistic than I.

I am convinced that unless the club and fans can find a way to move forward together, then, with a spiralling debt and a decreasing crowd the club will eventualy fold or at best be a non League club some way down the pyramid.

So maybe there are too many groups talking. I actually hope that having an active SLO will bring the groups together rather than have more groups.

For me it's well worth a go, because it's better than doing nothing.


Barbara if the club was properly put up for sale with a half-page ad in FB magazine and the issues of whos owed how much and how soon they want it back were made transparent I can assure you it would be in the top half dozen clubs of interest to potential owners.. Theres any number of reasons for that but the main one would be that the sale would include the real estate which two-thirds of clubs at this level no longer do meaning a new owner could pay off EWM and then borrow the money back secured on the ground.

And take yourself back to Mr Knighton he had 9 potential purchases on his list and he chose us now whatever else he might have been the bloke wasn't a fool and as he once told me which other club is 60 miles from any other in any direction and guess what the answer is none.


I actually don't get this thing about putting an advert in the papers to say we are for sale. Your point about Knighton actually says that's not how it works.

Any decent potential owner, who, for some reason wants to buy a League2 club (I can't see many unless they have some alegiance to the club in question) will have done his research and found out which club has the potential to be bigger (location, crowd potential, facilities etc). Then he would get staff to approach the club and see if a deal could be done. To me an advert in the paper is most likely just to attract chancers.

I totally agree Knighton wasn't a fool and know he was looking at other clubs besides us. Would he have continued to look at us if then, we had a minority fans group owning 25% and a charge on th ground? I don't think so, I think he would have gone elsewhere.


Clearly, you never attended Footex when it was held in Manchester if you had youd realise the effectiveness of an advert in FB magazine

And as for the Trust shares investors don't look at it like that they just think all I need to do is keep them sweet and its 25% less I don't have to shell out to own and control the club. How do i know because a former owner told me so.

" if the old git stepped out in front of my car i wouldnt be looking for the brakes thats for sure "
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23 Oct 2018 17:18 #128 by CCU
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Lincoln SLO before tonight’s game:


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23 Oct 2018 17:24 #129 by munchymagic
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"A reminder to @officialcufc fans coming to @LincolnCity_FC tonight, you are welcomed in the Fanzone from 1800 for...."

I didn't read what was next but my guess is that it says 'so our fans can have a good laugh at how crap your team is and chant 8-0 at you for an hour'.
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04 Dec 2018 10:51 #130 by CCU
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Interesting piece from the FSF and the Wigan SLO’s:


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04 Dec 2018 13:25 #131 by Bumble
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An interesting watch. The Wigan lads seem to be doing the job pretty much as I thought it should be done. It seems to have gone quiet at Brunton Park, has it gone back to the drawing board?

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04 Dec 2018 13:38 #132 by CCU
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Not heard anything Bumble, there’s another CUSG in a couple of weeks so hopefully find out more...

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