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09 Oct 2018 18:49 #51 by Mouldy
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I should add to that, the reason we aren’t just using the same job spec as last time is because the SLO role was largely seen as ‘do the minimal’ I think all would agree. Everyone was critical of the how the previous SLO position was carried out. I think it’s probably worth spending a bit of time exploring options.

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09 Oct 2018 19:01 #52 by Mullen103
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That’s because other clubs have a main SLO that’s paid and the main contact, this works at Burton. Obviously there’ll be volunteers helping with certain aspects and all clubs do it different.

But if you can find a main SLO that’s a volunteer at another professional club let me know.

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09 Oct 2018 19:23 - 09 Oct 2018 19:25 #53 by CCU
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Oldham have a volunteer SLO:

www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2017/octob...ter-liaison-officer/

I understand he’s involved with their Trust...

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09 Oct 2018 19:31 #54 by Mullen103
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CCU wrote: Oldham have a volunteer SLO:

www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2017/octob...ter-liaison-officer/

I understand he’s involved with their Trust...


Not by choice though, if you look at their messageboard he hasn’t been paid he’s expenses but neither have the players.

I’ll await with open eyes/ears what happens at Carlisle and who gets to choose.

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09 Oct 2018 19:37 #55 by Mouldy
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There are a number of clubs with purely volunteer roles. I can’t feel off a list of names, but I think off the top of my head Lincoln have a head SLO (whom I believe is a volunteer) and a team behind them. Admittedly, I could be getting this wrong.

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09 Oct 2018 19:46 #56 by Mullen103
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I agree there’s obvious volunteers at clubs doing all sorts of things.

But as a main “SLO” go to person it’ll be employed, or very least the best ones are employed.

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09 Oct 2018 20:00 #57 by munchymagic
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Good listen Mouldy :)

I agreed with a lot of your points.

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09 Oct 2018 20:17 #58 by ParcelPete
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Is this you mouldy ?

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09 Oct 2018 20:29 #59 by CCU
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09 Oct 2018 20:42 #60 by Mouldy
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Yes it was me.

Mullen you’re clearly correct in your own thoughts so there’s no point carrying the debate on with you. Each to their own. I just hope we get an SLO/SLT that can actually help fans.

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09 Oct 2018 20:53 #61 by Mullen103
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I’m always correct Mouldy ;)

I agree let’s hope the SLO works and isn’t failure like the fans rep was, predicted. My opinion is it needs to be employed or paid position but I’ll let those more knowledgeable on these things at CUSG, who’ve contributed little, select it.

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09 Oct 2018 21:01 #62 by Dancingbear
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What help do they provide. I’ve been going since 1989 and can’t say I’ve ever thought about needing a SLO.

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09 Oct 2018 21:04 #63 by Mouldy
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I’m the same if I’m honest, but there are simple things I think they can do such as have a quick wander round make sure there are no obvious issues that are going to cause fans problems. Make travelling fans (for home and away) aware of parking, pubs, scran etc to name a couple.

The club say they get questions most days via socials and emails that an SLO could answer probably more in depth from a fans point of view and perhaps speedier too.

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09 Oct 2018 21:11 #64 by Mullen103
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I’ve used them DB when I used to take my mate away.

Things like asking where’s near for food?
Is the front row seating available?
Is the ground accessible?

All clubs apart from Barnet/Morecambe SLOs replied and were helpful with Burton going above and beyond, the poor fella never saw a minute of the match.
Taxi numbers?

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09 Oct 2018 21:20 #65 by melbourneblues
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It must be just me but if I wanted to know where I could get a pint or scran I’d just ask the person next to me in the street, surely in this day and age it’s not hard to research if you’re that organised.

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09 Oct 2018 21:42 - 09 Oct 2018 21:42 #66 by Mullen103
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Incidentally I asked ND these questions first and he told me that he’d get back to me and then did with the reply of ask the other club. These are things our SLO can do by simply asking the other SLO.

Correct Melbourne but if you’re with a disabled person it’s much easier organising to a tee. Makes it easier. Of course there’s the Internet but asking another clubs SLO is also research and you get everything in one bag.

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09 Oct 2018 21:52 #67 by bob hatton 10
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Huddersfield SLO is a volunteer too . And there are others that dont spring to mind

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09 Oct 2018 22:02 #68 by Mullen103
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bob hatton 10 wrote: Huddersfield SLO is a volunteer too . And there are others that dont spring to mind


Well they may be the odd few, but not the majority and better ones I should of said.

It’s obvious the club will only go the volunteer route. Puts loads off straight away. Fair play to whoever wants to do it but it’s a complete fob off and there’s no accountability/responsibility on the club.

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09 Oct 2018 22:53 #69 by Bumble
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Well done Mouldy, I'm pleased that the SLO job has been given a bit of publicity, I hope as many fans as possible get to know about the role.

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10 Oct 2018 09:10 #70 by Mouldy
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There’s more airtime in the coming days alongside N&S coverage and a raft of social channels and website coverage, Bumble, so hopefully the message will spread to a good number.


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10 Oct 2018 10:25 #71 by Bumble
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Good stuff, the more folk who get to know about it and see it as a fans initiative the better.

Even if it takes longer to get sorted it needs to include the whole fanbase. Good luck with it all.

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12 Oct 2018 11:19 #72 by BoardAdmin
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12 Oct 2018 11:47 #73 by CCU
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Think there has to be a ‘Head’ SLO for this to be most effective.

Leaving it to a team to look after Social Media and emails will see inconsistency IMO. Having a ‘Head’ would ensure a similar level in all communications.

By all means have a small team helping (The current ‘Meet and Greet’ would come under the direction of an SLO you’d hope) on a Matchday, but in terms of interaction with both the Club and the fanbase, it would be a lot easier if it was done by one person.

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12 Oct 2018 12:09 #74 by nobbyblue
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Dancingbear wrote: What help do they provide. I’ve been going since 1989 and can’t say I’ve ever thought about needing a SLO.


I've been going since 1972 and have never seen or heard of an SLO till this season.
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12 Oct 2018 12:12 #75 by Bumble
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nobbyblue wrote:

Dancingbear wrote: What help do they provide. I’ve been going since 1989 and can’t say I’ve ever thought about needing a SLO.


I've been going since 1972 and have never seen or heard of an SLO till this season.


Which illustrates just how little the club values the position.
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12 Oct 2018 12:22 - 12 Oct 2018 12:57 #76 by Bumble
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I've read the piece in the Cumberland News and am very disappointed.

It reads as though the club would like a few folk to wander round and be organised by some one from the club. We have the meet and greeters at home games and they do a good job but the SLO job should be far more than that.

The SLO should be the fans voice, some one who goes home and away and brings fans needs and opinions to the club. If the SLO needs help, some one to write articles on social media, some one to cover the odd game,or whatever, then surely it's up to the SLO to get a team together.

This approach just seems to dilute the role and do nothing to bring fans and club together in the long term. It has all the hallmarks of a race horse designed by a committee.
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12 Oct 2018 14:03 - 12 Oct 2018 14:04 #77 by NORTHERNSOUL
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nobbyblue wrote:

Dancingbear wrote: What help do they provide. I’ve been going since 1989 and can’t say I’ve ever thought about needing a SLO.


I've been going since 1972 and have never seen or heard of an SLO till this season.


Only because other clubs have had proper ones for years whereas we've been stuck with some useless wa.nker who was already on the payroll and a mate of Jenkins into the bargain for fu.cks sake. Only SLO in the league who didn't go to away games on a regular basis

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12 Oct 2018 14:12 #78 by NORTHERNSOUL
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BoardAdmin wrote: Article in Cumberland News


Another Cumbrian Kop out. let's have a committee instead of some self-opinionated hard nosed [censored] who.ll call us out when we're wrong and who.ll stamp his feet and kick doors in until he gets his way on behalf of the fans.

Not to worry tho it.ll be another group to add to those Monday night jolly boys meetings

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12 Oct 2018 14:27 #79 by Dancingbear
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Had many self opiniated hard nosed [censored] who go to every game put their names forward then Barry?

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12 Oct 2018 15:15 #80 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dancingbear wrote: Had many self opiniated hard nosed [censored] who go to every game put their names forward then Barry?


I would doubt it as what self-respecting guy would want to be associated with anything to do with Jenkins, in fact, i.ll bet most are like me not even contemplating stepping back into the place till the club is owned by somebody who I approve of

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12 Oct 2018 22:16 #81 by Mullen103
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Dancingbear wrote: Had many self opiniated hard nosed [censored] who go to every game put their names forward then Barry?


I would doubt it as what self-respecting guy would want to be associated with anything to do with Jenkins, in fact, i.ll bet most are like me not even contemplating stepping back into the place till the club is owned by somebody who I approve of


Two thing have annoyed me this week, yes only two ;), one that we should all forget everything and hand over our cash to a corrupt/failed regime to pay respects to Tony Hopper. Yes it’s incredibly sad and of course Tony deserves a big send off. But I don’t need told how to pay respect to someone, I’ll give a price of a ticket to the MND association rather than to a group of failed businessmen.

Second is this SLO debacle. Shows how much the club treats supporters by fobbing this off and getting rid of all responsibility. Yes I don’t go anymore but I used too and used other clubs SLOs as ours was useless. There people I know that still go that a SLO would be useful to them. It’s a piece of piss to get right and we fu ck it up. Another thing to add to the long long list.

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13 Oct 2018 00:55 #82 by bob hatton 10
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Mullen why not give it a chance before rubbishing it . Plenty moaned about the previous SLO so why not try something different . You never know it may be a success
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13 Oct 2018 08:01 - 13 Oct 2018 08:09 #83 by Bumble
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From what I read in the article it appears what is being looked for is unpaid stewards. I don't understand why any fans group could be happy with that.

Surely this is the chance to bring a fans role to the club that isn't tainted with issues from the past. Some one the fans as a whole can get behind. Is that too scary for CUOSC and the club to handle?

Ok, it maybe that no one will step forward. It will definitely be a thankless job. But to give up without trying smacks of more than defeatism. I get the feeling there are parties who don't want their boats to be rocked.
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13 Oct 2018 08:24 #84 by Mouldy
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What do you want the SLO to do, Bumble? I’ll raise it with the rest of CUSG.

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13 Oct 2018 09:24 #85 by Bumble
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I'll write something down tomorrow. I think I did one further up the thread but I'l tidy it up and post it when I have more time.

This morning is a mad rush to get things done to get to the match. If I get time I'd like to call in to CUOSC and ask them their thinking on the subject.

For me the job is in the title. Supporters Liaison Officer. Some one who is a supporter of Carlisle United, who is willing and capable of liaising with fans and club on issues that the fans would like resolved.

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13 Oct 2018 09:31 #86 by CCU
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For me, it’s what the original ‘Fans Rep’ position that Claire Winder held should’ve been. An SLO voted for by the fans, with clearly defined boundaries and they could also lead the CUSG Meetings.

Bumble, myself and Matt speaking as TheCumbrians.Net during CUSG have indicated we think the position should be for a lead, and then they could have any Matchday helpers etc to assist (The current ‘Meet n Greet’ would be perfect IMO).

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13 Oct 2018 10:47 #87 by Mullen103
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bob hatton 10 wrote: Mullen why not give it a chance before rubbishing it . Plenty moaned about the previous SLO so why not try something different . You never know it may be a success


Because I’ve read the articles Mr Hatton.

Same as Bumble what’s been suggested isn’t an SLO(team) at all but an extension of the meet and greeters. That’s not a bad thing on the whole more volunteers but this isn’t what an SLO is.

It’s a complete fob off from the club. The club can afford Holdsworth they can afford a proper SLO dealing with customer service issues and supporters.

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13 Oct 2018 10:55 #88 by seesaw50
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Of course it's like the meeter/ greeter role, what better way to get fans opinions/ gripes/ questions ? By getting out there. And by having more than one person obviously there's more scope to reach more fans.
Good idea imo

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13 Oct 2018 11:02 #89 by Bumble
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CCU wrote: For me, it’s what the original ‘Fans Rep’ position that Claire Winder held should’ve been. An SLO voted for by the fans, with clearly defined boundaries and they could also lead the CUSG Meetings.

Bumble, myself and Matt speaking as TheCumbrians.Net during CUSG have indicated we think the position should be for a lead, and then they could have any Matchday helpers etc to assist (The current ‘Meet n Greet’ would be perfect IMO).


Totally agree, that's how I see it too, with the only resevation being whether the SLO should go to board meetings. I honestly don't see there is much point in that. Attending a board meeting means the SLO would be subject to the secrecy that board meetings (rightly) bring. Fans would feel the SLO was selling out by keeping secrets and nothing would move forward. I would stick with open meetings that can be reported back to the fans , if not at the time, within a few days like the CUSG meetings.
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13 Oct 2018 11:35 #90 by NORTHERNSOUL
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TheCumbrians.net rep, Matt Spooner, added “Fans are crucial to any football club – even more so for lower league clubs.” He continued “Moving from a single SLO to an SLO and a team/support network offers more fans an opportunity to get involved and help improve things for fellow fans. We think it’s only correct that fans are given the opportunity to recruit for these roles.”

To start licking arses and agreeing with the cu.nts

I thought the whole idea of going was to start showing the tw.ats up for what they are not letting them use you to legitimise their pathetic ideas.

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13 Oct 2018 11:45 #91 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bumble wrote: From what I read in the article it appears what is being looked for is unpaid stewards. I don't understand why any fans group could be happy with that.

Surely this is the chance to bring a fans role to the club that isn't tainted with issues from the past. Some one the fans as a whole can get behind. Is that too scary for CUOSC and the club to handle?

Ok, it maybe that no one will step forward. It will definitely be a thankless job. But to give up without trying smacks of more than defeatism. I get the feeling there are parties who don't want their boats to be rocked.


Of course, they are Barbara they were shitting themselves about you applying just image the brown trousers in the boardroom if I was the only candidate ?

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13 Oct 2018 11:48 #92 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mouldy wrote: What do you want the SLO to do, Bumble? I’ll raise it with the rest of CUSG.


Quite simple really tell the board what the fans want and when they don't provide it stir up as much shit as they call till they do.

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13 Oct 2018 11:51 - 13 Oct 2018 11:54 #93 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CCU wrote: For me, it’s what the original ‘Fans Rep’ position that Claire Winder held should’ve been. An SLO voted for by the fans, with clearly defined boundaries and they could also lead the CUSG Meetings.

Bumble, myself and Matt speaking as TheCumbrians.Net during CUSG have indicated we think the position should be for a lead, and then they could have any Matchday helpers etc to assist (The current ‘Meet n Greet’ would be perfect IMO).


Well, maybe Matt would like to explain the quote from him in this mornings TRUST briefing that indicates he believes exactly the opposite.

You're being used grow up and realise it and tell the cu.nts where to stick it.

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13 Oct 2018 12:00 #94 by CCU
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TheCumbrians.net rep, Matt Spooner, added “Fans are crucial to any football club – even more so for lower league clubs.” He continued “Moving from a single SLO to an SLO and a team/support network offers more fans an opportunity to get involved and help improve things for fellow fans. We think it’s only correct that fans are given the opportunity to recruit for these roles.”

He’s said that having an SLO and a team to help will hopefully get people involved.

What’s wrong with that?

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13 Oct 2018 12:09 #95 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CCU wrote: TheCumbrians.net rep, Matt Spooner, added “Fans are crucial to any football club – even more so for lower league clubs.” He continued “Moving from a single SLO to an SLO and a team/support network offers more fans an opportunity to get involved and help improve things for fellow fans. We think it’s only correct that fans are given the opportunity to recruit for these roles.”

He’s said that having an SLO and a team to help will hopefully get people involved.

What’s wrong with that?


THAT ALONG WITH WHAT THE CLUB PUT OUT THIS WEEK MAKES IT PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT THERE WILL NOT BE AN SLO WITH THE BALLS AND POSITION TO CALL THE CLUB OUT BUT A LOAD OF ARSE LICKERS DOING A JOB THAT SIMPLY ISNT NEEDED.

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13 Oct 2018 12:26 #96 by Alan
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I've lost many an hours sleep worrying about how I ever managed to get to games with out the Magnificent
help of stewards,fans reps,meet and f**king greeters and SLO'S many thanks for your dedication.
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13 Oct 2018 13:03 #97 by Mullen103
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That’s not what you really think though is it Matt?

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13 Oct 2018 13:46 - 13 Oct 2018 13:47 #98 by Mouldy
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I think the role should be a single SLO named and appointed that has a team of people (creating a supporter liaison team) there to make the role easier for a volunteer and more beneficial for fans. In fairness, I have not been told that this won’t be the case.

I also personally think the role should be a full time paid role, but this is not an option at the moment so I think we should try hard to get a positive outcome with volunteers and having multiple volunteers, to me, seems like the most effective way to cover all basis.

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13 Oct 2018 13:52 #99 by Mullen103
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If that’s what you think then go with it instead of being the spokesperson for the other side.

It’ll be the “budget” that the club will say they can’t have a paid position. Go back to them and ask why then they employed Holdworth. We know the answer though but doesn’t stop you asking it.

Don’t be a clubs play piece. If you think/want something else say it. Instead we are now going to be left with a sticking plaster.

Supporters are the be all and end all. Get this position right and could keep/bring in more supporters but yet again the club are short sighted in its approach.

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13 Oct 2018 14:01 #100 by NORTHERNSOUL
Replied by NORTHERNSOUL on topic The role of SLO at Brunton Park

Mouldy wrote: I think the role should be a single SLO named and appointed that has a team of people (creating a supporter liaison team) there to make the role easier for a volunteer and more beneficial for fans. In fairness, I have not been told that this won’t be the case.

I also personally think the role should be a full time paid role, but this is not an option at the moment so I think we should try hard to get a positive outcome with volunteers and having multiple volunteers, to me, seems like the most effective way to cover all basis.


Thank you for clearing that up Mouldy but as I understand it you were told its this crap team cop out or another paid employee in the position is that correct?

If thats so instead of letting the Trust use your statements for their propaganda purposes you should be telling the club thats not acceptable and sugesting that if all the board members chucked a couple of grand each in as directors at any other company would do there wouldnt be an issue.

Its pretty clear the club are shitting themselves over another Claire Winder situation where they end up with someone they cant control which is in effect exactly what the job wants and this is their way of stopping it happening.

Meeters and [censored] greeters what a joke theyd be better off doing what they do on the continent where they pay a number of lads to ramp up the atmosphere in the home end providing them with banners and bullhorns etc.

Just another example of the sanitation of the game which they tale to the extreme at BP and what youre now both personaly and as a board supporting them to do.

" if the old git stepped out in front of my car i wouldnt be looking for the brakes thats for sure "

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