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01 Sep 2018 11:32 #1 by CCU
The issue that will break the Labour Party?

After the initial furore and arguments, the House of Common’s summer recess should’ve saw the issue sorted and put to bed.

But it just keeps going on. And on. And on.

The next few weeks leading up to the Party Conference Season are going to be very interesting...

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01 Sep 2018 11:42 #2 by nobbyblue
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Aye aboot as interesting as Celebrity Big Brother. :cheer:

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01 Sep 2018 13:16 #3 by orfc
Dunno if Corbyn is anti-semitic, but he is attracted like a fly to shite about anything to do with palestine and loses any judgement on how it may look

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01 Sep 2018 13:46 #4 by Jumpforfun
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For those of us who don't have time to do the reading for ourselves... whats the story here?

Is Corbyn accused of being amti semitic? Whats the evidence? Is it just Tories trying to smear him?

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01 Sep 2018 13:54 #5 by CCU
BBC (Cue shouts of Media Bias) attempted to round up all that’s happened the other day:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-45030552

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01 Sep 2018 15:52 #6 by Bruntonpasty
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Jumpforfun wrote: For those of us who don't have time to do the reading for ourselves... whats the story here?

Is Corbyn accused of being amti semitic? Whats the evidence? Is it just Tories trying to smear him?



Quite a few of his own party slinging it at him tbf.

They don't like it up 'em!

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01 Sep 2018 16:10 #7 by Markovitch
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An extra 120,000 patients have died in the past seven years following cuts to health and social care budgets, a major study has found.
Researchers from Cambridge University likened the cuts to 'economic murder'

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-50875...00-extra-deaths.html

Still, how could this be as important as anti-Semitism in a party that had a Jewish leader 3 years ago? And the deaths of Muslims in the middle east isn't religious oppression?
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01 Sep 2018 16:36 - 01 Sep 2018 16:38 #8 by thesilentone
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Markovitch wrote: An extra 120,000 patients have died in the past seven years following cuts to health and social care budgets, a major study has found.
Researchers from Cambridge University likened the cuts to 'economic murder'

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-50875...00-extra-deaths.html

Still, how could this be as important as anti-Semitism in a party that had a Jewish leader 3 years ago? And the deaths of Muslims in the middle east isn't religious oppression?



.....because the in-fighting is ripping the Labour Party to pieces while they should be holding the ruling party to account.

This is only one of several Genies Jezza let out the bottle that Blair and Campbell spent forever forcing a lid on, to make the party electable.

They should be making hay while Theresa makes a muppet of herself, they will not be allowed many more chances.
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01 Sep 2018 17:20 #9 by Markovitch
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Non-story trotted out by the BBC and the Tory rags to deflect from the fact that the country is in tatters, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
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01 Sep 2018 17:25 #10 by Bruntonpasty
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Markovitch wrote: Non-story trotted out by the BBC and the Tory rags to deflect from the fact that the country is in tatters, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.


I don't think Dame Margaret Hodge is a Tory is she? One of the main folk having a go over this subject is she not? Just saying like eh!

They don't like it up 'em!
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01 Sep 2018 17:36 #11 by Laffy
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Marko

Labour left the nation’s finances in tatters-the whole world other than Labour thinks that.Even the bloody liberals.Since then,we have tried to get the finances back on an even keel and guess what,we have higher employment and less people on the dole.

Things aren’t perfect but can you imagine Corbynomics in 2010?-his only way is soaking the rich and borrowing billions-precisely the opposite of what the markets who provide liquidity wanted.Of course,between 2010 and 2013,he was busy making friends with terrorists and touring banana republics like Venezuela-his model socialist economy where the people are so poor they are eating their pets and women are turning to prostitution to feed their families-despite having the world’s largest oil reserves.If Corbyn thinks Venezuela or Palestine is so bloody marvellous,go and live there instead of knocking everything that is British
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01 Sep 2018 17:58 #12 by Markovitch
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The state of everything in Britain was better in 2010 than now. Health, defence, transport. Everything. George Osborne borrowed more money than every Labour Chancellor ever combined. You are a member of the Institute of Taxation so you get the same magazine I get, you know that the Tories borrow more, its there in black and white. Now the only excuse left for shoddy mismanagement is we inherited a problem, 8 years ago?

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/t...r-the-last-70-years/

He has never been to Venezuela! The countries in the world that have the highest happiness ratings in the world identify as socialist- Norway for example. Why do we have to ape countries like the US, Boris wants us to have school shootings every week?

Employment is higher, wages have fallen more in Britain than any other European country except Greece.

And saying so go live somewhere else is a bit like saying I've taken Carlisle into the Evo stick league, if you don't like it go support someone else. In 2010 we were the 4th largest economy, now we have already fallen to 6th and we are still on the way down. Why do we have to tolerate a Kavanagh quality management team when we could replace them with something much better?
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01 Sep 2018 18:20 #13 by pacirv
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Somebody's forgotten that it was the banks that left the countries finances in tatters.

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01 Sep 2018 18:23 #14 by Laffy
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2010 may have been better-I seem to recall we had the enormous boom and bust that Hen Broon had apparently ‘abolished’ but there is no doubt we had ran out of money-Labour had spent it all and left us with the PFI legacy.So what do you do when you have no money?You either keep borrowing at Wonga rates like the Argies with their now 60pc rate or you get your house in order.That means living within your means or at least trying to.

Venezuela-Corbyn held them up as the model socialist economy-fact.Pity he didn’t go there when he made that statement or now when it’s totally shot-lawless,evacuations and totally shot.

We do agree on one thing Marko-that interview with the manager tonight could have been Kavanagh.It offered little hope-just ‘we didn’t turn up’ but our warm up was sensational apparently.Thats what happens when you fill a team with loanees and out of contracts-no stomach

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01 Sep 2018 21:12 #15 by cufcmike
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I don't recall Hodge et al fuming when this happened. Its all over the media, they talk about anti-semitism, but haven't actually said what has been done thats so anti semitic. Not being a fan of the Israeli Government is not anti-semitic. I have friends who live in Israel who are not fans of the government there, are they anti-semites? But it seems a discussion can't even be had about it without the pro Israel lobby saying "That's anti-semitic. Nernernernerner."

And as for Frank Field.... He jumped before he was pushed. 7 of his constituents died at Hillsborough, and he still wrote articles for The S*n. Booted out by Tony Blair for having views too far to the right, and he tries to pretend he's taking the moral high ground here?
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01 Sep 2018 21:53 #16 by Mush
It's just more mud slung from the Murdoch media to detract from the Tories failings. Poor Jeremy does get some shit like.

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01 Sep 2018 21:59 #17 by Dentonholmersimpson
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Momentum and the unions are pulling Corbyn's strings.

Seventies re-visited if he ever gets into power.
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01 Sep 2018 22:03 #18 by cufcmike
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Dentonholmersimpson wrote: Momentum and the unions are pulling Corbyn's strings.

Seventies re-visited if he ever gets into power.


Better than having your strings pulled by trust fund managers and bankers.

Better than revisiting the 1870s under the Tories.
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01 Sep 2018 22:09 #19 by High Street
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Left wing automatic reactions:
Murdoch media, The Scum, The Daily Hail, Gammon, Greedy Bankers.
I watched Owen Jones yesterday, firstly l don’t know who is and what importance he has, but [censored] me, if he’s the future of politics, then we’re all [censored]
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01 Sep 2018 22:13 #20 by Dentonholmersimpson
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Well,personally I would like a prime minister, of whichever party, who is strong enough not to have their strings pulled by anyone, full stop.
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01 Sep 2018 22:20 #21 by cufcmike
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High Street wrote: Left wing automatic reactions:
Murdoch media, The Scum, The Daily Hail, Gammon, Greedy Bankers.
I watched Owen Jones yesterday, firstly l don’t know who is and what importance he has, but [censored] me, if he’s the future of politics, then we’re all [censored]


Right wing automatic reactions:
Venezuela, Labour ruined the economy, snowflakes, Comrade Corbyn etc etc.

The thing with Venezuela is a daft comparison. Massively different sized country and different economy. I prefer to compare us with the likes of France, Italy, Germany. None of these 3 countries anybody would deem to be "left wing". But all 3 have things Corbyn wants. Nationalised railways and nationalised utilities. France and Germany have practically free tuition fees, and pump far more into their health services than we do. Why can't we? And why do folk deem it extreme to suggest this?
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01 Sep 2018 22:23 - 01 Sep 2018 22:36 #22 by Blues86
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You do have to be amazed at how things are perceived depending on who it is that's doing them.

Marko charges out pointing the finger at Tories, it's a none story apparently. But yet it isnt, is it. The likes of Frank Field and Margaret Hodge are not Tories. The mainstream Jewish organisations of Britain condemning Labour arnt Tory members. You wonder if Nigel Farage had been associated with some of the stuff Corbyn has, if he would have got such an easy ride? He's a nice guy, it's all smears. I'm guessing not. Perceptions.

Whether Cornyn is or isn't an anti Semite, He's done such a bloody awful job of all this, it makes me question his ability to run a country. Attending terrorist fuerals, as well as being mates with a whole raft of dubious characters (IRA at the height of the troubles anyone?), no matter how much he denies it, doesn't look good. What kind of a shambles have we become if we elect a man who supports these people? And no, this isn't legitimate criticism of Israel that is twisted as anti semitism, the Isrealis are old masters at that. This appears to be a man unable and unwilling to stop racism. And the likes of Marko are happy to allow that because as long as your a leftie you can do no wrong. Tribalism at its best.

Bottom line is, anyone who is racist is wrong. End of. Whether you agree with the rest of what they say or not.
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01 Sep 2018 22:39 #23 by Markovitch
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Corbyn went to a funeral. Thatcher let convicted terrorists go free from prison, yet corbyn is the bad guy, really?

I do admire tory voters on here though. You are willing to pay extra tax, see cuts in services and pay for private hospital care just because Corbyn attended a funeral 30 years ago. The extra £100 + a month you pay is worthy of respect
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01 Sep 2018 22:47 - 01 Sep 2018 22:48 #24 by Blues86
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You see Marko, you are just deflecting from the issue. No I don't want to pay more tax, if course not. But I'd rather pay more tax than be represented by a man who in the distant, but also recent past, had showed support for people who are enemies, outright enemies, of our country. A man who be the commander of our armed forces actually supporting the IRA whilst we were fighting them? A man who attends a rembebrance service for a terrorist murderer who killed innocent civilians? I don't care if it was 30 years or 30 minutes ago. That is a disgrace. A man who is unable to bring himself to stop anti Semitic racism and deal with it in his own party? Whose supporters blame Jews for raising their concerns? That is a disgrace.

If paying a little extra tax is your major concern, perhaps you are more of a Tory than you think.
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01 Sep 2018 22:50 #25 by carwash
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Apparently there is an international standard of what constitutes anti-Semitism and certain wording to adopt to fight it. The Corbyn view is that standard is too strict and he supports a looser standard. Can you imagine the uproar if we were talking about sexual harassment and the Tories were to say the normal standard is too strict and an occasional bit of groping is fine.

The net result is the Jewish community feel deeply uneasy about Corbyn's leadership of the Labour party and are worried that the UK will see an upsurge in anti-Semitism as has been the case in France. I live in a Jewish area of North London and I've noticed now how every big function at the local synagogue now has professional security on the door. As Blues86 says everything is about perception.

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01 Sep 2018 23:04 #26 by deeksme
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"Of course,between 2010 and 2013,he was busy making friends with terrorists and touring banana republics like Venezuela"

"Venezuela-Corbyn held them up as the model socialist economy-fact.Pity he didn’t go there"

So Corbyn either definitely did, or didn't go to Venezuela. Thanks for that searing insight. As much as I can't stand the clowns currently running the show at BP, I'm still delighted they saw right through you.

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01 Sep 2018 23:19 #27 by cufcmike
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Blues86 wrote: You see Marko, you are just deflecting from the issue. No I don't want to pay more tax, if course not. But I'd rather pay more tax than be represented by a man who in the distant, but also recent past, had showed support for people who are enemies, outright enemies, of our country. A man who be the commander of our armed forces actually supporting the IRA whilst we were fighting them? A man who attends a rembebrance service for a terrorist murderer who killed innocent civilians? I don't care if it was 30 years or 30 minutes ago. That is a disgrace. A man who is unable to bring himself to stop anti Semitic racism and deal with it in his own party? Whose supporters blame Jews for raising their concerns? That is a disgrace.

If paying a little extra tax is your major concern, perhaps you are more of a Tory than you think.


You know Theresa May sells weapons to the Saudis, who in turn sell them to ISIS right? Thats if they're not slaughtering innocent people in Yemen with them...
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01 Sep 2018 23:35 - 01 Sep 2018 23:36 #28 by Blues86
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cufcmike wrote:

Blues86 wrote: You see Marko, you are just deflecting from the issue. No I don't want to pay more tax, if course not. But I'd rather pay more tax than be represented by a man who in the distant, but also recent past, had showed support for people who are enemies, outright enemies, of our country. A man who be the commander of our armed forces actually supporting the IRA whilst we were fighting them? A man who attends a rembebrance service for a terrorist murderer who killed innocent civilians? I don't care if it was 30 years or 30 minutes ago. That is a disgrace. A man who is unable to bring himself to stop anti Semitic racism and deal with it in his own party? Whose supporters blame Jews for raising their concerns? That is a disgrace.

If paying a little extra tax is your major concern, perhaps you are more of a Tory than you think.


You know Theresa May sells weapons to the Saudis, who in turn sell them to ISIS right? Thats if they're not slaughtering innocent people in Yemen with them...


Does Teresa May personally sell weapons to the Saudis? Or does BAE, which governments of every type help and pander to? British arms sales to Saudi, rightly or wrongly, have been going on for decades, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Corbyns fitness to lead the country. Seems to be the Labour reaction to all this. Point the finger at others and ignore the issue.
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02 Sep 2018 00:17 #29 by cufcmike
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Blues86 wrote:

cufcmike wrote:

Blues86 wrote: You see Marko, you are just deflecting from the issue. No I don't want to pay more tax, if course not. But I'd rather pay more tax than be represented by a man who in the distant, but also recent past, had showed support for people who are enemies, outright enemies, of our country. A man who be the commander of our armed forces actually supporting the IRA whilst we were fighting them? A man who attends a rembebrance service for a terrorist murderer who killed innocent civilians? I don't care if it was 30 years or 30 minutes ago. That is a disgrace. A man who is unable to bring himself to stop anti Semitic racism and deal with it in his own party? Whose supporters blame Jews for raising their concerns? That is a disgrace.

If paying a little extra tax is your major concern, perhaps you are more of a Tory than you think.


You know Theresa May sells weapons to the Saudis, who in turn sell them to ISIS right? Thats if they're not slaughtering innocent people in Yemen with them...


Does Teresa May personally sell weapons to the Saudis? Or does BAE, which governments of every type help and pander to? British arms sales to Saudi, rightly or wrongly, have been going on for decades, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Corbyns fitness to lead the country. Seems to be the Labour reaction to all this. Point the finger at others and ignore the issue.


May has the power to stop it if she wanted to. But she doesn't want to. So won't.

Anti-Semitism should be called out and punished. Be it in the Labour Party or anywhere else. But the link I shared above about Alistair Campbell, why were these holy saviours of the Jewish people not fussed about it then? Maybe they're not that fussed about Jews, and just want Corbyn out, even if that does mean trivialising anti-semitism in the process.

After Hodge called Corbyn a "F*cking Anti-Semite" she went through an investigation. Pretty standard. Anyone making such an unfounded allegation wouldn't expect to just get off scot free. Afterwards she said that she felt like the Jews in Germany in the 1930s for being investigated. Which frankly, isn't comparable at all. Would be a bit like me saying that when I banged my shin on the edge òf my kitchen table earlier, I felt like Joe Fryer did against Crewe.

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02 Sep 2018 01:17 #30 by Dentonholmersimpson
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cufcmike wrote:

Blues86 wrote:

cufcmike wrote:

Blues86 wrote: You see Marko, you are just deflecting from the issue. No I don't want to pay more tax, if course not. But I'd rather pay more tax than be represented by a man who in the distant, but also recent past, had showed support for people who are enemies, outright enemies, of our country. A man who be the commander of our armed forces actually supporting the IRA whilst we were fighting them? A man who attends a rembebrance service for a terrorist murderer who killed innocent civilians? I don't care if it was 30 years or 30 minutes ago. That is a disgrace. A man who is unable to bring himself to stop anti Semitic racism and deal with it in his own party? Whose supporters blame Jews for raising their concerns? That is a disgrace.

If paying a little extra tax is your major concern, perhaps you are more of a Tory than you think.


You know Theresa May sells weapons to the Saudis, who in turn sell them to ISIS right? Thats if they're not slaughtering innocent people in Yemen with them...


Does Teresa May personally sell weapons to the Saudis? Or does BAE, which governments of every type help and pander to? British arms sales to Saudi, rightly or wrongly, have been going on for decades, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Corbyns fitness to lead the country. Seems to be the Labour reaction to all this. Point the finger at others and ignore the issue.


May has the power to stop it if she wanted to. But she doesn't want to. So won't.

Anti-Semitism should be called out and punished. Be it in the Labour Party or anywhere else. But the link I shared above about Alistair Campbell, why were these holy saviours of the Jewish people not fussed about it then? Maybe they're not that fussed about Jews, and just want Corbyn out, even if that does mean trivialising anti-semitism in the process.

After Hodge called Corbyn a "F*cking Anti-Semite" she went through an investigation. Pretty standard. Anyone making such an unfounded allegation wouldn't expect to just get off scot free. Afterwards she said that she felt like the Jews in Germany in the 1930s for being investigated. Which frankly, isn't comparable at all. Would be a bit like me saying that when I banged my shin on the edge òf my kitchen table earlier, I felt like Joe Fryer did against Crewe.


The investigation into Hodge was instigated almost before the words were spilled from her mouth, whereas the anti semitism row goes on and on and on and on.

Weak leadership or maybe happy to go along with the Momentum agenda.

Hope he never leads our country because I fear if he would be on our side in any conflict

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02 Sep 2018 01:24 - 02 Sep 2018 01:25 #31 by munchymagic
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He is a liability, a liar and supports everything that most British people find horrific.

Offering sweets to the kids to get them to vote for you tut-tut.
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02 Sep 2018 01:33 #32 by cufcmike
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This entire thread though, we've been talking about anti-senitism but the only incident mentioned is my one from Alistair Campbell. Boris Johnson literally said women in burkhas look like letterboxes. Where's all the talk of Islamophobia in the Tory Party? Oh thats right he gave all the journalists a cup of tea and all was forgotten about. Less evidence of anti-semitism in the labour party though? Lets talk about that instead.
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02 Sep 2018 02:23 - 02 Sep 2018 02:30 #33 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Jumpforfun wrote: For those of us who don't have time to do the reading for ourselves... whats the story here?

Is Corbyn accused of being amti semitic? Whats the evidence? Is it just Tories trying to smear him?


No the members of the proper Labour Party are doing a very good job in that in response to the shit him and Militant are putting them thru [ can't really say too much but I spent 2 days a couple of weeks back assisting a good localish proper Labour MP to get rid of the Corbyns [censored] who were trying to infiltrate and take over his local party branch ] They're really good at sending out anonymous threatening e.mails and text messages to genuine local Labour party members but they really don't like it when half a dozen masked up lads kick their back doors in at 2 in the morning.

And at that point, I have to make it clear that this was not my local Labour MP Who does such an excellent job and as such has a very loyal Local party branch but even he has had to put in place an officer to be on the lookout for the first sign of any infiltration and has to date I believe spotted at least three serious instances of this happening and put into action a plan to defend the integrity of the branch.
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02 Sep 2018 07:53 - 02 Sep 2018 07:54 #34 by Markovitch
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This is just a Tory smoke screen. If you ask a tory what has your government done well in the last 8 years they can't answer. The tories have made everything for the man in the street worse. Every single public service is worse, public debt has gone through the roof, huge falls in working wages, highest taxes ever. To hide these facts the BBC and tory press roll out this nonsense. How many people on here feel better about life now than in 2010?
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02 Sep 2018 12:06 #35 by yoonited
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Agreed Marko, let's get this rabble out and get Corbyn, McDonnel and Abbott elected and running this country like it should be run. 'Prudence' Brown left us in a terrific financial position and we still have all our gold reserves should they ever be needed, imagine if he'd sold them all off for a pittance! First thing we should do is have another illegal war, Trump will join us in bombing the guts out of Iran, they're just spoiling for a scrap and that'll get the voting masses keeping us in power for years. Since GDP has risen and unemployment has fallen, there's clearly too many people in work, McDonnel will get that issue sorted in his first two weeks. Jobs are for immigrants anyway, and the delectable Diane as Home Secretary will ensure that policy is strictly enforced.

Labour in power = great times ahead.
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02 Sep 2018 12:30 #36 by Unrepentant blue
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It’s difficult at the moment if you are looking ahead and trying to work out who you would vote for.
Wherever you look you are faced with the feeling they are all crap.
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02 Sep 2018 13:09 #37 by Markovitch
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Aagh, the good old employment argument. If so many people are in gainful employment why have they changed the basis of calculation 3 times. If we measured employment the way it was measured in 2010 we would have 15%unemployed

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02 Sep 2018 15:15 #38 by munchymagic
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I have never known both parties to be totally unelectable in my eyes - May and Corbyn are a disgrace.
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02 Sep 2018 15:33 #39 by Laffy
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I think the Tories are doing a decent job-somewhat caught up in the Brexit debate which really is a poisoned chalice.With so many detractors, ‘experts’ sticking their nose in,court and parliament challenges,little wonder May looks in trouble.Yet they are now making significant progress because money talks in EU circles where their turnover is going to collapse because of our departure.The EU are terrified we leave without paying the dowry.

Post Brexit,any party in power seriously needs to address inequality in a careful,considered way-not by soaking the rich or chucking money at the issue.Inequality is the big issue facing this country-that and de politicising the NHS and infrastructure which Labour use as a political football at any opportunity.

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02 Sep 2018 16:16 #40 by Flatcap
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If the government are making a hash of something (like the NHS) isn't the opposition entitled to criticise,, or is that making it a political football?

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02 Sep 2018 16:48 #41 by High Street
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Markovitch wrote: This is just a Tory smoke screen. If you ask a tory what has your government done well in the last 8 years they can't answer. The tories have made everything for the man in the street worse. Every single public service is worse, public debt has gone through the roof, huge falls in working wages, highest taxes ever. To hide these facts the BBC and tory press roll out this nonsense. How many people on here feel better about life now than in 2010?


They’ve only been in power 3 years.

I’m guessing with all your tax knowledge you’re paying the full amount on your earnings,then?

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02 Sep 2018 16:49 #42 by Markovitch
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Still, haven't heard what isn't worse now than in 2010? If labour left the finances in such a mess wy has Government debt risen by over half a trillion pounds since 2010. Why aren't we seeing debt falling after 8 years? They are doing a decent job based on what criteria? Even after spending billions in Syria our armed forces are a joke.

As Yoonited said GDP is rising, though we were bottom of all developed countries coming into 2018. So if GDP is rising, tax is rising (highest ever), Conservatives have always the party of borrowing and they have continued. So where is the money? More borrowing, more tax, economic growth- so why do we need austerity? We need austerity because the money has been redistributed to the top earners in the country. Running an insurance business you can now earn £48000 before you even have to pay any tax at all.

Between 1997 and 2007 the proportion of the nation's wealth owned by the top 20% fell from 65% to 60%. If the current trend continues the top 1% by 2030 will own 67%

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/a...s-richest-global-gap

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02 Sep 2018 17:21 #43 by Laffy
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The economy isn’t like a bus that you get on and off-the finances were a shambles in 2010 and required major surgery.If you don’t believe that then you are totally deluded.

The fact is the finances are now in a much better state.Tax collection is rising fast-an indicator of the health of the economy.

As for Corbyn, put down your Socialist Worker paper for a minute and read the Sunday Times.Corbyn can’t be bothered to go and see MI5 as he’s busy dealing with his self made Jewish problem-MI5 want to ‘put him straight’ on the UK terrorism threat.Apoarently Dianne Abbot is invited too.

The Tories aren’t perfect-they should be getting toasted by the opposition for their own stupidity but sadly Corbyn is divisive and fighting self made fires.

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02 Sep 2018 17:36 #44 by Waltero
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It was a Labour government that was in power and heavily involved in the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948

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02 Sep 2018 18:02 #45 by Markovitch
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The economy isn’t like a bus that you get on and off Is that a technical term Laff?! The finances require major surgery? So when will it happen? Its been 8 years and everything is getting worse and worse while borrowing goes through the roof. Even Only When I Laugh didn't run that long

Are you going to give us a few examples of things the Tories have done well? Should be good

Rupert Murdoch, the owner of a company that is drilling for oil in Syria, now wants to frighten us all by telling us we should be afraid of a terror attack? Not a big surprise is it? Let's keep those British soldiers protecting his oil fields.

Our government funded Al Qaeda rebels in Libya. then when those rebels get cornered the Royal Navy go in and rescue them. One of the rebels repays those acts by blowing up a pop concert in Manchester killing 22 people. Maybe if the current Government spent less money creating martyrs in the Middle East we would all be safer in our beds? God forbid we could use the money spent to save British lives. Just a thought?

Makes you wonder, why if we are in so much danger why Theresa May is going to cut £50m from the Mi5 budget.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/home-office-p...error-unit-lqxhqpkkg

Better vote for Corbyn if you are concerned, the money saved from taxing offshore Cameron shelters will keep us all safe. We have a better chance than with the current Governmnet
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02 Sep 2018 19:31 - 02 Sep 2018 19:31 #46 by Prawncrackhead
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Markovitch wrote: An extra 120,000 patients have died in the past seven years following cuts to health and social care budgets, a major study has found.
Researchers from Cambridge University likened the cuts to 'economic murder'

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-50875...00-extra-deaths.html

Still, how could this be as important as anti-Semitism in a party that had a Jewish leader 3 years ago? And the deaths of Muslims in the middle east isn't religious oppression?


Aye my sister in law was one of them! killed in a routine operation in Cumbria infirmary where they intubated her stomach, ignored the machines, ignored the junior and starved her of oxygen for 45 minutes. How trying to cover it up and filling in on the job reports after the incident isn't criminal is beyond me.
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02 Sep 2018 20:39 #47 by Laffy
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The deficit has fallen by two thirds since 2010 Marko.It was your own minister who wrote the note’sorry, there’s no money left’ after Hen Broon lost the election.

You throw plenty of stats but offer no solution-if there is something plausible,let’s hear it.

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02 Sep 2018 20:48 #48 by Dentonholmersimpson
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Prawncrackhead wrote:

Markovitch wrote: An extra 120,000 patients have died in the past seven years following cuts to health and social care budgets, a major study has found.
Researchers from Cambridge University likened the cuts to 'economic murder'

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-50875...00-extra-deaths.html

Still, how could this be as important as anti-Semitism in a party that had a Jewish leader 3 years ago? And the deaths of Muslims in the middle east isn't religious oppression?


Aye my sister in law was one of them! killed in a routine operation in Cumbria infirmary where they intubated her stomach, ignored the machines, ignored the junior and starved her of oxygen for 45 minutes. How trying to cover it up and filling in on the job reports after the incident isn't criminal is beyond me.


I am very sorry for your sister in law but the Cumberland Infirmary has, or had a poor reputation, my wife was in there several years ago for eight days before they transfered her to the Freeman.

She was sent there to be operated on,ended up one overnight stay,no operation and cured within 36 hours.

The difference in basic, and I really mean basic treatment was chalk and cheese.

Don't think it's down to who is in power,just like in football the big cities are always going to attract the better doctors.

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02 Sep 2018 21:33 #49 by Taffy-P
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This is a Daily Mail /right wing plot against JC the establishment is so worried they are getting desperate !!!! Because JC is coming after those tax dodges As I’ve always said if your a millionaire,stupid or a yes man Vote Conservative
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02 Sep 2018 22:06 #50 by Laffy
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That will be why the ex Chief Rabbi is getting hot under the collar and Hen Broon is back-a Daily Mail plot.As usual,Labour would have us believe we simply ‘don’t understand’ because we are too stupid,including Lord Jonathan Sachs.

As for tax dodgers,it was under New Labour that tax avoidance was rife and became an industry.Massive loopholes have been shut down over the last 8 years, mainly by Osborne.

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