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18 Feb 2019 10:15 - 18 Feb 2019 10:18 #101 by CCU
7 MP’s have quit the Labour Party:


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18 Feb 2019 10:24 - 18 Feb 2019 10:26 #102 by pacirv
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All this about AS has completely gone over my head, there are a million things we could all complain about is this the new "is it because I'm black" scenario. Don't exactly know what the Jewish part of labour want. Should they get upset about being ginger, spotty or numerous other things people use as an insult.
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18 Feb 2019 10:50 #103 by ExiledJock
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Presumably they want a world where they're not singled out for discrimination, bullying, threats and the like. Not much to ask given, you know, history.
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18 Feb 2019 10:59 - 18 Feb 2019 11:01 #104 by CCU
Ouch!



There’s uproar already over this Tweet!

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18 Feb 2019 11:28 - 18 Feb 2019 11:30 #105 by Waltero
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Just what momentum wanted. Now they won't have to harass or intimidate them into being deselected. The lunatics will definitely take over the assylum
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18 Feb 2019 11:36 #106 by thesilentone
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I might take more notice of CCU's predictions in future...........
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18 Feb 2019 11:38 #107 by Silverbluefox
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Dare to criticise Israel and you automatically become anti-semitic.
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18 Feb 2019 12:11 #108 by CCU
It’s fairly self-explanatory surely?


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18 Feb 2019 12:21 #109 by Laffy
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Let the fun begin.

‘Oh Jeremy Corbyn’

I feel sorry for the guys who feel that it’s so bad in the good ship Corbyn that they have to abandon it-they are going to be the subject of vicious abuse and hatred like you wouldn’t believe.Lets hope the rozzers are keeping a close eye on events

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18 Feb 2019 12:23 #110 by Waltero
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They're already getting the abuse etc Laffy.

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18 Feb 2019 12:51 #111 by Laffy
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As I said a while ago,Corbyn is not a leader-he’s an apologist ,anti-western and a natural objector.He’s not a leader by any standard ,certainly not fit to govern our country and has allowed a great institution called the Labour Party to be overrun by a Trojan horse called the hard left.That will be his legacy.

Allowing his comrade to McDonnell to rubbish Churchill last week was shameful.Forget your history at your peril-unless you live on Animal Farm

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18 Feb 2019 12:55 #112 by Silverbluefox
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I watched their press conference live via Daily Express on Facebook. They got plenty of abuse for being Remainers, but the audience was very split.

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18 Feb 2019 13:09 #113 by Laffy
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Daily Express Silverfix?I had you as a discerning Guardian reader?
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18 Feb 2019 14:21 #114 by howoldboy
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Laffy wrote: As I said a while ago,Corbyn is not a leader-he’s an apologist ,anti-western and a natural objector.He’s not a leader by any standard ,certainly not fit to govern our country and has allowed a great institution called the Labour Party to be overrun by a Trojan horse called the hard left.That will be his legacy.

Allowing his comrade to McDonnell to rubbish Churchill last week was shameful.Forget your history at your peril-unless you live on Animal Farm


Interesting but possibly biased viewpoint.

If you believe the Labour Party has been "overrun by a Trojan Horse called the hard left", how would you describe what the European Research Group has done to the Conservative Party?

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18 Feb 2019 15:10 #115 by Laffy
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Once again, I was only writing about the Labour Party.

If you ask my view,the Tory party is equally riven by factions but at least our national security would not be put at risk by someone who has spent his career as an anti West Marxist.

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18 Feb 2019 15:36 #116 by sirjimmyglass
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Quite extraordinary. I don't think she's saying "funny tinge" here but I can't work out for the life of me what it is she's trying to say.

Whatever it is, it's a HUGE gaffe.

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18 Feb 2019 16:23 #117 by howoldboy
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Laffy wrote: Once again, I was only writing about the Labour Party.

If you ask my view,the Tory party is equally riven by factions but at least our national security would not be put at risk by someone who has spent his career as an anti West Marxist.


I always think the far right are the greatest threat to our national security. They are always looking to start a fight with someone.
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18 Feb 2019 16:24 #118 by Laffy
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If you shouted ‘that centre forward with a funny tinge is good’ at BP, you would be lifted.What a howler!

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18 Feb 2019 17:11 #119 by CCU
Tom Watson with an early salvo for the inevitable leadership contest in time?


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19 Feb 2019 22:22 #120 by CCU
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20 Feb 2019 00:13 #121 by Dentonholmersimpson
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Never mind, Degsy is back in the fold.

What kind of message does that send?

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20 Feb 2019 03:44 #122 by Waltero
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With Deggsy back the loonies have definitely taken over

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20 Feb 2019 08:13 #123 by nobbyblue
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Where did all the anti-semites come from in the Labour Party? Has it always been a problem?

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20 Feb 2019 08:43 #124 by carwash
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nobbyblue wrote: Where did all the anti-semites come from in the Labour Party? Has it always been a problem?


It has developed over the last 50 years. When Golda Meir was Prime Minister 50 years ago links to the UK and particularly with our Labour party were quite strong. However the actions of more right wing Israeli leaders, particularly Netanyahu and the occupation of the West Bank with Jewish settlers has seen sentiment generally swing in support of the Palestinians. The British love an underdog and the one-sided nature of Israeli oppression against the Palestinians has seen a massive rise in anti-Israeli sentiment in the UK. That has broadened to negative sentiment towards those in the UK who support Israel. It is no surprise that members of the Labour Friends of Israel group now feel strong pressure to leave the Labour party. Corbyn of course has had strong links with the Palestinians.

The Jewish community for natural historical reasons feel victimised by anti-Israel sentiment and now employ security guards outside synagogues etc which they then portray as a defence against anti-Semitism although really there is precious little evidence of any actual increase.
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20 Feb 2019 10:45 #125 by cufcmike
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I know Israelis who hate Netanyahu,, they'd probably be deemed anti-semitic too by some folks standards.

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20 Feb 2019 11:25 - 20 Feb 2019 11:26 #126 by carwash
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There was a summit in Warsaw last week which was meant to rally support against Iran. Mike Pence, Trump's deputy accused the UK, France and Germany of wanting to trade with Iran despite Iran's desire to wipe Israel off the map. The Warsaw summit was a complete flop as no European politician apart from the Polish nationalists wants to be seen to support Netanyahu.
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20 Feb 2019 11:25 #127 by CCU
The Tories depart now:


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20 Feb 2019 11:27 #128 by CCU

Waltero wrote: With Deggsy back the loonies have definitely taken over


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20 Feb 2019 12:43 - 20 Feb 2019 12:48 #129 by NORTHERNSOUL
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nobbyblue wrote: Where did all the anti-semites come from in the Labour Party? Has it always been a problem?


There isn't an anti-semitic problem really.

If you look at the Labour MP.s that are screaming about it they are MP.s that are being targetted by Corbyn and Momentum who have infiltrated their local parties who are just using abusing them as Jews as part of their tactics. So they scream Anti Semitism because that will gleaner more sympathy from the general public than just complaining about being abused by Corbyn and his mates. But that then explains for you why neither Corbyn or the Labour Party will do anything about it.

I bet they wish all the ones they want rid of were Jewish

I don't have a lot of sympathy for them tbh they've all had the opportunity to do what others have done and set up a mechanism to fight back and I can tell you from experience when you front these momentum lot in real life on their doorsteps or at their places of work they're not so hard then they're good at sending nasty e.mails but not a lot else.
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20 Feb 2019 12:53 #130 by heilkmoon
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Isn't it to do with the deliberate confusion between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism.

Anti-Zionism objects to the Israeli state and its actions against Palestine, which is a legitimate political viewpoint.

However, supporters of the Israeli state tend to use the term anti-Semitic to describe any such criticism, thereby deflecting it as racist rather than political.
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20 Feb 2019 13:17 #131 by Willy
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heilkmoon wrote: Isn't it to do with the deliberate confusion between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism.

Anti-Zionism objects to the Israeli state and its actions against Palestine, which is a legitimate political viewpoint.

However, supporters of the Israeli state tend to use the term anti-Semitic to describe any such criticism, thereby deflecting it as racist rather than political.


Yes, that's how I see it. It's easy to jump on the "You're a racist" bandwagon.

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20 Feb 2019 13:59 - 20 Feb 2019 14:42 #132 by deepfathom
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carwash wrote: It has developed over the last 50 years. When Golda Meir was Prime Minister 50 years ago links to the UK and particularly with our Labour party were quite strong. However the actions of more right wing Israeli leaders, particularly Netanyahu and the occupation of the West Bank with Jewish settlers has seen sentiment generally swing in support of the Palestinians. The British love an underdog and the one-sided nature of Israeli oppression against the Palestinians has seen a massive rise in anti-Israeli sentiment in the UK. That has broadened to negative sentiment towards those in the UK who support Israel. It is no surprise that members of the Labour Friends of Israel group now feel strong pressure to leave the Labour party. Corbyn of course has had strong links with the Palestinians.

The Jewish community for natural historical reasons feel victimised by anti-Israel sentiment and now employ security guards outside synagogues etc which they then portray as a defence against anti-Semitism although really there is precious little evidence of any actual increase.


What a good summation!
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20 Feb 2019 15:59 #133 by ExiledJock
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Depends on what you count as evidence. Stats on anti-semitic incidents only started being collected here in 1984 and 2018 saw the most reports ever, up 16% on the previous year.

Meanwhile, police have recorded a 74% increase in France, with 80 graves being desecrated on Monday alone.

I don't think there's a massive problem in the UK on the ground but it's pretty easy to find online and stuff about George Soros and the like is pretty casually thrown around the conspiracy sphere.

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20 Feb 2019 16:33 #134 by munchymagic
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Not something I a very knowledgeable on I must admit but I have a pal who is Palestinian and he is the most racist person I have ever met, his Facebook posts are constant news threads about what the Israelis have done and then loads of cheap memes depicting Jews as being tight fisted and treacherous.

From an outsiders point of view they are as bad as each other.

I used to work for a Jewish lady for a few years and she was spot on to be fair, it was all about her surname really - sounds daft but she had a Jewish name and the amount of customers looking to place orders I got was unreal that questioned if or not she was Jewish, when I confirmed it they then placed the order and funny enough there wasn't any of that chasing the price down with them as a stereotypical Jew would do.

I told my boss and she just laughed and said that Jews prefer to deal totally with Jews if they can.

I cannot see the problem with them to be honest, they keep their noses clean over here in the UK and respect and enjoy our culture and they like it over here.

And more importantly they don't try to bomb us or cause terrorist acts over here in the name of their religion.
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20 Feb 2019 17:15 #135 by cufcmike
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"Formerly an anti-Semite was somebody who hated Jews because they were Jews and had a Jewish soul. But nowadays an anti-Semite is somebody who is hated by Jews." - Hajo Meyer, Holocaust Survivor.

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20 Feb 2019 18:01 #136 by DeckchairBlue
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munchymagic wrote: Not something I a very knowledgeable on I must admit but I have a pal who is Palestinian and he is the most racist person I have ever met, his Facebook posts are constant news threads about what the Israelis have done and then loads of cheap memes depicting Jews as being tight fisted and treacherous.

From an outsiders point of view they are as bad as each other.

I used to work for a Jewish lady for a few years and she was spot on to be fair, it was all about her surname really - sounds daft but she had a Jewish name and the amount of customers looking to place orders I got was unreal that questioned if or not she was Jewish, when I confirmed it they then placed the order and funny enough there wasn't any of that chasing the price down with them as a stereotypical Jew would do.

I told my boss and she just laughed and said that Jews prefer to deal totally with Jews if they can.

I cannot see the problem with them to be honest, they keep their noses clean over here in the UK and respect and enjoy our culture and they like it over here.

And more importantly they don't try to bomb us or cause terrorist acts over here in the name of their religion.


There has been Jewish communities in the UK for the best part of 1000 years (barring when we decided to massacre them) so I'd say "they" probably will enjoy life in their country.
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20 Feb 2019 18:03 #137 by Silverbluefox
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"Jews prefer to deal totally with Jews"

Is that not a definition of racism?

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20 Feb 2019 18:09 #138 by carwash
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Silverbluefox wrote: "Jews prefer to deal totally with Jews"

Is that not a definition of racism?


No - it is a way of increasing the wealth of their community which has been enormously successful over generations.

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20 Feb 2019 18:55 #139 by munchymagic
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I haven't got a problem with it.

I hardly know any Jews and as I said they are peaceful people from my experience and that is all that matters in this generation of violence and terrorism.

What folk do in business matters is near the bottom of my priorities in life.

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20 Feb 2019 19:09 #140 by CCU

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21 Feb 2019 10:42 #141 by thesilentone
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Silverbluefox wrote: "Jews prefer to deal totally with Jews"

Is that not a definition of racism?


No, it is not.

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21 Feb 2019 11:26 #142 by ExiledJock
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Yeah it is, because it's prescribing a behaviour to an entire race of people. Even a Jew doesn't have the right to say that. There are Jews all over the world just living ordinary lives going to see their Muslim doctor or sending their kids to ordinary state schools or just doing mundane crap like the rest of us and not even thinking about it.

I've got Jewish friends in the States. Been for a meal with them and hung out. Am I supposed to believe they spent the whole time thinking "ExiledJock is OK, but I would prefer to be spending this time with Jews."

(Hey, but I'll tell you this - it was a competition to see who could spend the least. Boom. Tish.)

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21 Feb 2019 17:13 - 21 Feb 2019 17:44 #143 by CCU
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21 Feb 2019 19:11 #144 by munchymagic
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Frustrating for me and many others as I am a Labour voter but stopped voting for them because of Corbyn.

Getting rid of him would be the start of re-building The Labour Party.
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21 Feb 2019 19:42 #145 by Alan

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Ha ha :-D :-D

And people back this [censored] tramp or are they sucked in by his unicorn givaways .

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21 Feb 2019 19:59 - 21 Feb 2019 20:00 #146 by munchymagic
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Corbyn is a disgrace, his past is dodgy to say the least with whom he associated himself with in the past.

Now that the public have voted out of the EU, and many Labour supporters did too he does anything he can do to sabotage it and uses Brexit to kick bits out of May - this practice is normal politics but he needs to understand that they all need to pull together on this one as it is vital we get the best deal regardless of who is in at Parliament as Labour and the Tories down the line will have to deal with the fall out from this.

A bloke in his position who sits on the floor on a train like a petulant child to prove a point - who in their right mind would want him as PM?

May might be a terrible PM but at least she did not hang around with terrorists in her early career.
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21 Feb 2019 20:55 #147 by franksidebottom
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Silverbluefox wrote: "Jews prefer to deal totally with Jews"

Is that not a definition of racism?


Sweeping generisation - yes
Stereotyping - yes
Observation - perhaps
Racism - absolutely not.

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21 Feb 2019 21:08 #148 by munchymagic
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Many of my ex-squaddie pals were Labour voters as well and because of his murky past with the IRA wouldn't touch him with a bargepole.

I know that you cannot generalise from the people I know but the people they know from the forces feel the same.

That is a significant part of your voters alienated from voting Labour because of him - Labour could swing this totally around if they replace the leader.

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munchymagic wrote: Many of my ex-squaddie pals were Labour voters as well and because of his murky past with the IRA wouldn't touch him with a bargepole.

I know that you cannot generalise from the people I know but the people they know from the forces feel the same.

That is a significant part of your voters alienated from voting Labour because of him - Labour could swing this totally around if they replace the leader.


Aye kind of funny you should say that Munch, I have a mate (ex Military) who is staunchly Labour, but because of Corbyn and his association with Adams/McGuiness and the IRA wouldn't support him if it was the last party on earth, he bloody well hates him with a passion. For the good of the Labour party they need to get rid of him as soon as possible.
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21 Feb 2019 22:44 #150 by cufcmike
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munchymagic wrote: Corbyn is a disgrace, his past is dodgy to say the least with whom he associated himself with in the past.

Now that the public have voted out of the EU, and many Labour supporters did too he does anything he can do to sabotage it and uses Brexit to kick bits out of May - this practice is normal politics but he needs to understand that they all need to pull together on this one as it is vital we get the best deal regardless of who is in at Parliament as Labour and the Tories down the line will have to deal with the fall out from this.

A bloke in his position who sits on the floor on a train like a petulant child to prove a point - who in their right mind would want him as PM?

May might be a terrible PM but at least she did not hang around with terrorists in her early career.


What's he done to sabotage Brexit? Ok, I know he voted against May's deal but surely nobody on here wanted that? I know Remainers who are miffed at him for not doing anything to sabotage Brexit. Seems he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Theresa May hangs around with terrorist supporters at the end of her career. Surely that's worse?

I too know a load of ex soldiers who don't like him, you'd think they'd maybe respect the fact he tried to stop young lads getting blown to bits in Iraq, but nope. Theresa May who supports the Saudis who give money and arms to ISIS? That's fine.
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