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07 Apr 2019 22:46 #201 by Taffy-P
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Laffy wrote: Corbyn is a danger to our very existence-a total non achiever.Can you imagine the Forces listening to anything the clown says?Or MI5?Or the Financial markets?

The reason Brexit has failed is because our MPs have basically not delivered.Labour’s position has shifted with the tide throughout the negotiations.Even last month they were saying they could negotiate a better deal-despite the EU saying there was no room for manoeuvre.Basically a parallel universe.

May is weak and has failed-along with her erstwhile cabinet.

The void created by this car crash means it’s open season for hard left and hard right extremism-unhelpful for all of us.

We absolutely need an earthquake to shake this fiasco to its foundations-step forward Boris!!

step forward Boris F [censored] sake I give up

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08 Apr 2019 09:10 #202 by Dancingbear
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Dancingbear wrote: Yes no doubt they would Barry i mean representatives of Mays wont. Anyone she did send over ie Davies and Raab ended up quitting after she went over their heads and agreed to lesser stuff than they were negotiating. No doubt Tories and Labour would still have the most MEPs and prob sanitised ones at that.


If the elections go ahead on the day they're supposed to i.ll wager you that between them Labour and the Torys will get less than 25% of the MEP.s and remember that they're likely to be radicals at one end of the spectrum or the other and are the one who vote how they want and not how their parties at home tell them to.

And if you say UKIP/Farage had 60 MEPs and they got into bed with the already growing far-right movement MP.s from across Europe they would become a pretty significant grouping


Well by the way they’ve both carried themselves on I hope they do get a small percentage of the vote. Personally like a lot of others I’ll be abstaining should these votes go ahead.

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08 Apr 2019 12:39 - 08 Apr 2019 12:42 #203 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dancingbear wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Dancingbear wrote: Yes no doubt they would Barry i mean representatives of Mays wont. Anyone she did send over ie Davies and Raab ended up quitting after she went over their heads and agreed to lesser stuff than they were negotiating. No doubt Tories and Labour would still have the most MEPs and prob sanitised ones at that.


If the elections go ahead on the day they're supposed to i.ll wager you that between them Labour and the Torys will get less than 25% of the MEP.s and remember that they're likely to be radicals at one end of the spectrum or the other and are the one who vote how they want and not how their parties at home tell them to.

And if you say UKIP/Farage had 60 MEPs and they got into bed with the already growing far-right movement MP.s from across Europe they would become a pretty significant grouping


Well by the way they’ve both carried themselves on I hope they do get a small percentage of the vote. Personally like a lot of others I’ll be abstaining should these votes go ahead.


Maybe you could explain to me what the hell would be the point of that ?

But the more people who do the better as you can be sure the 17.4 million won't be wasting their votes.
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12 Apr 2019 06:43 #204 by Markovitch
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See the tories have struck another blow for fascism, throwing Assange to the wolves. Wikileaks, an organisation that has never once been found to falsify information. As Orwell said, the more a society moves from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it

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12 Apr 2019 07:35 #205 by Dancingbear
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Maybe not falsify but isn’t computer hacking a crime these days? Admittedly no where near as serious a crime as what he uncovered.

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12 Apr 2019 08:08 #206 by Laffy
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Call me old fashioned but being caught hacking a government computer (helping Chelsea Manning) is a criminal offence.Allegations of rape and attempted rape also require some answers-the reason for him breaching bail conditions.

So Corbyn and ex lover Abbott’s interventions yesterday are unhelpful and misleading.

In any civilised jurisdiction, these are crimes which require serious investigation.Assange chose to avoid this by claiming immunity, something not available to your average rapist or computer hacker.

He may have done humanity a favour by uncovering war crimes-but that should not disguise the charges he will now face-and Corbyn and Abbott should reflect on that.

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12 Apr 2019 09:51 #207 by Markovitch
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What did he hack? He published emails that were given to him! Let's not invent the truth!
The rape allegation is that he had sex with a woman without a condom when she specifically wanted one and he had sex with a woman while she was asleep in bed with him! She woke up after he finished. Hardly the black panther is he?

The DNC emails came from an insider. Supposedly it was Seth Rich who was dissatisfied that the Democrats were rigging their internal elections so that Clinton beat Sanders. As with so many people who have crossed Clinton Rich then ended up dead, shot in the back

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12 Apr 2019 10:10 - 12 Apr 2019 10:13 #208 by CCU

Markovitch wrote: The rape allegation is that he had sex with a woman without a condom when she specifically wanted one and he had sex with a woman while she was asleep in bed with him! She woke up after he finished. Hardly the black panther is he?


So he had sex with a woman without consent?

Don’t know what law you follow, but that’s Rape in most places...

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CCU wrote:

Markovitch wrote: The rape allegation is that he had sex with a woman without a condom when she specifically wanted one and he had sex with a woman while she was asleep in bed with him! She woke up after he finished. Hardly the black panther is he?


So he had sex with a woman without consent?

Don’t know what law you follow, but that’s Rape in most places...



He had sex with a woman while she was asleep in bed with him.

To be honest, that's me most nights.
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12 Apr 2019 12:03 #210 by Markovitch
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I have no claims to be the greatest lover ever but I can honestly say I have never shagged a bird who slept through the whole thing. And she consented when she had sex with him before falling asleep

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Markovitch wrote: I have no claims to be the greatest lover ever but I can honestly say I have never shagged a bird who slept through the whole thing. And she consented when she had sex with him before falling asleep


So, the Swedish warrant was for one rape and one molestation, are you suggesting the women involved were lying ?

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12 Apr 2019 14:50 #212 by Markovitch
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No. Its two molestations, 1 coercion and a rape.

The Gulf of Tonkin never happened but the US went to war in Vietnam. At Halabja the Iraqis used gas on the Kurds but the US Government condemned Iran. There were no weapons of mass destruction. Al-Megrahi couldn't have committed the Lockerbie bombing because his plane was delayed yet the US paid $100k to witnesses to get a conviction. Do you think the US wouldn't pay women to compromise him? How many women have you slept with who stayed asleep through the whole thing? You think there aren't women who would take a large sum of money to compromise Assange?


Unlawful coercion – On 13-14 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange, by using violence, forced the injured party to endure his restricting her freedom of movement. The violence consisted in a firm hold of the injured party’s arms and a forceful spreading of her legs whilst lying on top of her and with his body weight preventing her from moving or shifting.
Sexual molestation: On 13-14 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange deliberately molested the injured party by acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity. Assange, who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used, consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her without her knowledge.
Sexual molestation: On 18 August 2010 or on any of the days before or after that date, in the home of the injured party [AA] in Stockholm, Assange deliberately molested the injured party by acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity i.e. lying next to her and pressing his naked, erect penis to her body.
Rape – On 17 August 2010, in the home of the injured party [SW] in Enköping, Assange deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to sleep, was in a helpless state. It is an aggravating circumstance that Assange, who was aware that it was the expressed wish of the injured party and a prerequisite of sexual intercourse that a condom be used, still consummated unprotected sexual intercourse with her. The sexual act was designed to violate the injured party’s sexual integrity.

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12 Apr 2019 15:04 #213 by pie
So he should be more than willing to stand trial for his crimes and highlight the the influence of the US government in setting him up (in your eyes) and clear his name.

Could even hire you as his defence team to open up with "well i'm not the black panther, so let's call it off lads".

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12 Apr 2019 16:21 #214 by Laffy
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In this country, a rape allegation is a serious issue.Claiming diplomatic immunity/asylum is beyond most of us-unless you have the cash.

Was he hacking US government computers?The US courts can decide that now he isn’t holed up at our expense.

I doubt rubbing his own shit on the bedroom walls endeared him to his hosts but it has cost the taxpayer £13m to get him in court and answer the charges.Maybe Peter Tatchell can contribute to the bill.

We should hand him over to Sweden/US-he offers nothing of value to the UK whatsoever
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12 Apr 2019 17:44 #215 by Dancingbear
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12 Apr 2019 17:48 #216 by Markovitch
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Neither the Swedish or US investigations are currently ongoing so we are handing him over for what purpose? As for using diplomatic immunity why would he ever think he would get a fair trial? Abdelbaset al-Megrahi could not possibly have blown up the Pan flight 103 but it didn't stop the CIA from paying $100k each to two Maltese shop owners to testify he bought the clothes in the suitcase that exploded. Why would Assange ever think his trial would be fair? The US doesn't even recognise the ICC!.

Most people will do the right thing. The trick for our Government, therefore, is to keep them from the facts and that is the crime of Assange.

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12 Apr 2019 19:04 #217 by Laffy
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There was a very eloquent discussion on R4 tonight-basically his crime here was to skip bail.He could have walked out several years ago and saved the expense.

It’s the Swedes and US he’s really to answer to-that’s called Extradition rules which I think most civilised societies subscribe to.

I can’t see any reference to his involvement in Pan Am-totally irrelevant point Marko

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12 Apr 2019 19:17 #218 by Dancingbear
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Markovitch wrote: Neither the Swedish or US investigations are currently ongoing so we are handing him over for what purpose? As for using diplomatic immunity why would he ever think he would get a fair trial? Abdelbaset al-Megrahi could not possibly have blown up the Pan flight 103 but it didn't stop the CIA from paying $100k each to two Maltese shop owners to testify he bought the clothes in the suitcase that exploded. Why would Assange ever think his trial would be fair? The US doesn't even recognise the ICC!.

Most people will do the right thing. The trick for our Government, therefore, is to keep them from the facts and that is the crime of Assange.


Its just not cricket is it?

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12 Apr 2019 19:39 #219 by pie

Markovitch wrote: Neither the Swedish or US investigations are currently ongoing so we are handing him over for what purpose? As for using diplomatic immunity why would he ever think he would get a fair trial? Abdelbaset al-Megrahi could not possibly have blown up the Pan flight 103 but it didn't stop the CIA from paying $100k each to two Maltese shop owners to testify he bought the clothes in the suitcase that exploded. Why would Assange ever think his trial would be fair? The US doesn't even recognise the ICC!.

Most people will do the right thing. The trick for our Government, therefore, is to keep them from the facts and that is the crime of Assange.


The same ICCt that Russia left in 2016 because they said Russia had been very naughty boys in the Ukraine, which you've repeatedly discussed as them having done very little wrong.

I wouldn't want to be part of that group either if they come up those kind of findings, so better off out?

And the US under Obama not only recognized the ICCt but actively worked with them on case referrals etc.

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13 Apr 2019 01:19 #220 by NORTHERNSOUL
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pie wrote: So he should be more than willing to stand trial for his crimes and highlight the the influence of the US government in setting him up (in your eyes) and clear his name.

Could even hire you as his defence team to open up with "well i'm not the black panther, so let's call it off lads".


He was quite willing to return to Sweden to face the charges there so long as he was given legal assurances that he wouldn't be extradited from there to the USA.

And the rumours still persist that the two women were paid 100k each to make the accusations in the first place to allow that to happen hence when it was it was clear he wasn't going back there they allowed the charges to drop as theyd had their cash.

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13 Apr 2019 09:24 #221 by Laffy
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As Jack Straw and David Blunkett write in the Times today, there is no higher duty on any government than to protect its nation’s security.If Corbyn and Abbott were in charge, would hackers who compromised our security be allowed a free pass in the interests of journalism?

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13 Apr 2019 10:14 #222 by Dancingbear
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They wouldn’t need to. Abbott would probably accidentally tell them what they wanted to know anyhow. Unless of course it was the answer to a sum.

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13 Apr 2019 14:17 #223 by Markovitch
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And the US military playing target practice with Iraqi women and children is protecting the national interest? Really?

Lockerbie has everything to do with Assange because it is another example of the US Government bribing witnesses so that the justice system gives them the political result they want irrespective of the guilt of the individual. That's why he won't stand trial

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03 May 2019 15:27 #224 by CCU
Another long term supporter departs...


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03 May 2019 19:48 #225 by Laffy
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A brilliant put down by Jess Phillips today when talking to her superior Ms Abbott about Brexit.

She questioned Labour’s current stance on Brexit by first describing herself as a staunch retainer from a Brexit constituency , but then stated ‘I want to be a size 10 but I keep eating cake’

Brilliant-and wiped the floor with Abbott.

A rising star amongst the absolute mediocrity of the current top table.

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03 May 2019 23:01 #226 by Mush

Laffy wrote: A brilliant put down by Jess Phillips today when talking to her superior Ms Abbott about Brexit.

She questioned Labour’s current stance on Brexit by first describing herself as a staunch retainer from a Brexit constituency , but then stated ‘I want to be a size 10 but I keep eating cake’

Brilliant-and wiped the floor with Abbott.

A rising star amongst the absolute mediocrity of the current top table.


You love putting the knife in don't you?

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03 May 2019 23:03 #227 by munchymagic
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To be fair everyone is unsure of what they are putting the knife into these days as they are all different shades of shite.

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04 May 2019 06:44 #228 by Laffy
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It’s not about knifing people-this current bunch of MPS must be the worst in history and we could do with a clearout-all parties.

Where are the leaders, the innovators?I think a lot of this will be down to paying peanuts as most of them are unemployable

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04 May 2019 07:18 #229 by Mush
You only seem to slag off Labour on here though. It's the conservatives who are in power and decided on a referendum.

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04 May 2019 07:38 #230 by Markovitch
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Complete and utter decimation in the polls and the party that recently had a Jewish leader is magically anti-semitic again. Gosh, amazing isn't it.

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04 May 2019 07:50 #231 by Laffy
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I think I would welcome your Jewish leader back with open arms-life seemed so normal then and I think the Cameron coalition was ok.

The problem for me now is I don’t know what the Tories stand for any more -it’s very clear what the central thrust is of Labour and I personally don’t agree with it.

That leaves me looking for someone else to vote for and I don’t see many candidates.I can see why independents did well yesterday.

Feels to me like the country has lost direction and is split across many regions.We need solutions at the moment-not posturing or opinions.

It’s not just the UK-Spain has had 3 big elections in the last few years I believe
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04 May 2019 09:08 #232 by Markovitch
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I agree. Going back to the 70s on a theoretical level the Tories represented business, the Labour the unions and between them there was a balance. Whatever the stories about Heath I don't believe he ever would have left people to die just to line his own pocket. I like Corbyn, but he has been destroyed in the press to the point I don't think he can lead. It's a worldwide phenomenon though, yellow vests in France, Trump in America, Brexit in Britain, they are all protest votes. Unfortunately they have a way of working out, war, and I think that is what will come next
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04 May 2019 09:31 #233 by Laffy
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Well I think the common theme is inequality-made more apparent by social media and the internet.The world is very flat as a result and inequality has nowhere to hide.I was at a shooting dinner in Edinburgh in Thursday night and watched guys bidding insane amounts of money for a day shooting partridges-many also offering a jaundiced opinion on Brexit too.I was struck by how out of touch a lot of people are-a downturn means a cheaper holiday for them,
a downturn for the poor can be the difference between eating and not.

I was cycling in Mallorca last week-met loads of Germans and Spanish.You have to pinch yourself to remind you that it’s not long ago we were shooting at each other.In fact, it’s only 50 years since Franco!They are different culturally but still great people.

How you address inequality is the big challenge of our time in my view.I met an economist a few weeks ago who said it was actually sorting itself out until QE was introduced-which reversed the trend and merely widened the gap between rich and poor.

Corbyn isn’t the answer as you say -and neither is May.Both are a busted flush.

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04 May 2019 10:08 #234 by Mush
Good post Laffy.

The thing with Corbyn is at least he cares about helping change inequality, I'm not sure May/The Tories do..

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04 May 2019 11:44 #235 by Willy
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I'm pretty sure Tories want to increase inequality - but don't expect to hear those words from their lips.
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04 May 2019 11:51 #236 by Laffy
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As I said Willy,I don’t know what the Tories stand for anymore-and they certainly don’t represent me.

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04 May 2019 13:31 #237 by thesilentone
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Had they put a few heads on spikes after the expenses scandal, we would not be in this mess.

Brexit, along with Corbyn and his Marxist values and May's lack of Uumph combined create the perfect storm.

Nothing is forever and change is coming, if the elitist idiots in grey suits change the rules to get rid of May, be prepared for a second referendum...........

It is a sign of the times when Farage looks like a refreshing option.

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05 May 2019 12:31 #238 by Laffy
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Good article about Rory Stewart in the Sunday Times-he’s crammed a lot into his life and is a winner

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05 May 2019 13:24 #239 by Dancingbear
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Is that the same Rory Stewart that said he'd resign if he didnt sort the prison system out in 12 months?

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05 May 2019 13:42 #240 by Laffy
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That’s him-he’s been promoted!

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05 May 2019 14:56 - 05 May 2019 14:57 #241 by Dancingbear
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I know. The prisons must be in great shape now eh?

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05 May 2019 15:11 #242 by Laffy
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To be fair, he wasn’t there more than 6 months.

Hang on-why don’t they all promise the earth then get promoted out before their promise expires?

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05 May 2019 16:08 #243 by yoonited
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Rory Stewart, MP for Penrith and The Border quote:- "Some areas around here are pretty primitive, people holding up their trousers with bits of twine and that sort of thing!"

Says he who looks like a chimp that's been captured, shaved, escaped and then been chased through Burtons by a gang wielding sticks.
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05 May 2019 16:14 #244 by Bluedazblue
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Willy wrote: I'm pretty sure Tories want to increase inequality - but don't expect to hear those words from their lips.


From today's paper. www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/05/...minimum-wage-low-pay

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05 May 2019 19:39 #245 by Alan

yoonited wrote:



Rory Stewart, MP for Penrith and The Border quote:- "Some areas around here are pretty primitive, people holding up their trousers with bits of twine and that sort of thing!"

Says he who looks like a chimp that's been captured, shaved, escaped and then been chased through Burtons by a gang wielding sticks.



Sounds like he's been in the paddock tbf .
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05 May 2019 20:13 #246 by Willy
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Bluedazblue wrote:

Willy wrote: I'm pretty sure Tories want to increase inequality - but don't expect to hear those words from their lips.


From today's paper. www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/05/...minimum-wage-low-pay


Are the Tories suddenly feeling very unloved and unwanted, or something?

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14 May 2019 01:04 - 14 May 2019 01:12 #247 by Willy
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Bluedazblue wrote:

Willy wrote: I'm pretty sure Tories want to increase inequality - but don't expect to hear those words from their lips.


From today's paper. www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/05/...minimum-wage-low-pay



From today's paper:

Britain risks heading to US levels of inequality, warns top economist
Sir Angus Deaton says UK is at risk of extreme inequality in pay, wealth and health

Rising inequality in Britain risks putting the country on the same path as the US to become one of the most unequal nations on earth, according to a Nobel-prize winning economist.

www.theguardian.com/inequality/2019/may/...-warns-top-economist
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14 May 2019 01:55 #248 by munchymagic
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The BBC have taken the 'Chicken Licken' approach with Brexit and we should all hide underneath the stairs waiting the fallout.

Get your tinned food in time whenever I try to watch the damned thing.

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28 May 2019 11:53 - 28 May 2019 11:55 #249 by CCU
This Thread was started 9 Months ago (The issue itself reared about a year ago), and it’s still not sorted! It’ll begin to rival Brexit soon...


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03 Jun 2019 16:14 #250 by Dancingbear
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George Galloway sacked by Talk Radio for tweeting that hes pleased there wont be a Isreali flag on the championsleague trophy. Enough to get his labour party membership back?

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