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03 Jun 2019 20:16 #251 by nobbyblue
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I quite like listening to George Galloway but he doesn't half go on about the [censored] middle east.

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03 Jun 2019 21:41 #252 by munchymagic
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Galloway sticks out to me as there is a fairly decent bakers in Preston called this and they did like a flaky bake job with bacon and beans on top and it was ace, his name triggers that memory.

I could eat one of those delicious flaky bakes right now and I wasn't hungry before.

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04 Jun 2019 13:22 #253 by Flatcap
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You can't now criticise Israel without being anti Semitic.
You also can't criticise Muslims without being islamophobic.
Does that mean you can't say anything if there is a dispute between Israel and Muslim countries?
What a mad mad world this is.

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04 Jun 2019 13:59 #254 by Kessler
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Flatcap wrote: You can't now criticise Israel without being anti Semitic.
You also can't criticise Muslims without being islamophobic.
Does that mean you can't say anything if there is a dispute between Israel and Muslim countries?
What a mad mad world this is.


I think everybody seems more confrontational these days. Debates have moved from actually listening to the other person, to getting in as much insults as you can and trying to win the shouting match. The young generation are particularly bad for it. If you have an opinion they don't like, they will scream abuse in your face and in some cases physically attack you for your beliefs, and truly believe they are completely justified in doing so. It's mental.
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04 Jun 2019 14:49 #255 by Waltero
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For once I agree with you

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04 Jun 2019 14:51 #256 by Markovitch
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That's why we have Trump, Brexit, The Yellow vests etc Isn't it? Because people feel they are not being listened to? Wages are stagnant, prices going up, nothing the Government does works, but we have money to bomb to Syria and build train lines with no trains.

The world will get crazier and crazier then there will be a war.

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04 Jun 2019 17:45 #257 by Dentonholmersimpson
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I watched an item on Channel 4 news last night about a school in Birmingham which is trying to teach their kids about equality and the LGBT community.

Because the school is 90% Muslim there have been lots of protests against the school, some claiming only white people produce gay offspring.

One man complaining about the protests riding roughshed over the democratic right of the school to teach such beliefs and he was black.

Just seemed to me there are a lot of circles to be squared in that little hotbed of multiculturism and diversity.

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04 Jun 2019 17:49 #258 by yoonited
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04 Jun 2019 18:47 #259 by Laffy
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If they lose Peterborough tomorrow night, the chat is Corbyn will be toast.Lets hope chubby Thornberry goes too-she doesn’t like English patriots either as we know-calling Trump a racist and a sexual predator won’t look good on her CV either.

It’s all kicking off today-like a bag of ferrets wanting an hour in the sun

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04 Jun 2019 19:03 #260 by AlbertRoss
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Nowt wrong with being a racist.

Look at that Hitler. He got the trains sorted, and they were ever so clean, those Nazis. Lovely clean people. Always exercising in the woods and that.

He'd never have stood for all this Appleby horse fair nonsense either. He knew how to sort the gyppos out.

Leaders like that are Just what you need when your country is sinking into a cesspool of selfishness, decadence and idiocy.

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04 Jun 2019 20:57 #261 by thesilentone
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tolerance is a two way street............

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06 Jun 2019 13:56 - 06 Jun 2019 13:57 #262 by thesilentone
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Labour has suspended a controversial member of its ruling national executive committee (NEC) after he was recorded claiming that an Israeli agent had infiltrated the party.

Pete Willsman, an ally of Jeremy Corbyn, also said the Jewish state was behind some of the antisemitism allegations – which he described as “total lies” – that have engulfed the party.

In a recording first disclosed by the radio station LBC, Willsman said: “It’s almost certain who is behind all this antisemitism against Jeremy: almost certainly, it was the Israeli embassy.

www.theguardian.com/news/2019/may/31/isr...laims-peter-willsman
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06 Jun 2019 14:06 #263 by munchymagic
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How on earth Corbyn and Abbott are still there baffles me.

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06 Jun 2019 14:43 #264 by Waltero
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Just imagine those two running the country................One can't count the other has selective amnesia
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06 Jun 2019 21:36 #265 by Dancingbear
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munchymagic wrote: How on earth Corbyn and Abbott are still there baffles me.


One word really. Momentum.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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14 Jun 2019 16:25 #266 by yoonited
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14 Jun 2019 18:35 #267 by Markovitch
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Saw Jeremy hunts rant about TV presenters calling him Jeremy kunt to his face is on you tube. Epic stuff

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14 Jun 2019 19:21 #268 by Laffy
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If you read the Bower book on Jezza, the Abbott episode is really interesting.After bedding her, he paraded her with his friends like some trophy he had shot and brought back from a hunting expedition for the pot.Nice!
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14 Jun 2019 20:39 #269 by Yorkie Blue
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Maybe mistook her for a hippopotamus.
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15 Jun 2019 07:24 #270 by BlueAl
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I find your comment very insulting and offensive to hippos.
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15 Jun 2019 09:30 #271 by Mush

Laffy wrote: If you read the Bower book on Jezza, the Abbott episode is really interesting.After bedding her, he paraded her with his friends like some trophy he had shot and brought back from a hunting expedition for the pot.Nice!


That story was in all the conservative supporting papers too, I wonder why?

He popped in his flat to get some leaflets with some friends and she was naked in bed(not unusual) is how the story goes Andrew.

You Torie boys love a bit of Jezza bashing don't you? You should concentrate on your own bunch of embarrassing and racist bunch instead :-)

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15 Jun 2019 10:17 #272 by Laffy
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Here’s another Mush-Jezza has come out today and said the attack on the oil tankers by the Iranians is lacking in credible evidence of their involvement .We shall see.He called the nerve agent one wrong too.

Do I like the guy?No-he’s a threat to national security, a relic from the Cold War and anti western-what a CV for PM!
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15 Jun 2019 10:18 #273 by Markovitch
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Diane Abbott holds the record for the highest majority ever in an election. Theresa May got the lowest vote ever for the Tories in a European election. But let's not focus on achievements and do remember to take off our fitbits when Anne Widdicombe comes on tv

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15 Jun 2019 10:29 #274 by seabird
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Lived through some torrid political times ,now is about the worst I can remember in my life time. There as always been some light from a political faction ,now I see none. Which ever direction you turn there is a major problem .For me Labour are not a credible option under the present leadership ,the Torries are a fractious mess at present.
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15 Jun 2019 11:22 #275 by Laffy
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Pay peanuts, get monkeys-their salaries are too low for uber intelligent people I’m afraid.A second year qualified accountant with zero experience gets more than your average MP

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15 Jun 2019 11:48 #276 by carwash
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Markovitch wrote: Diane Abbott holds the record for the highest majority ever in an election. Theresa May got the lowest vote ever for the Tories in a European election. But let's not focus on achievements and do remember to take off our fitbits when Anne Widdicombe comes on tv


No Diane Abbott doesn't. She had a sizeable majority in the 2017 general election - for Hackney and Stoke Newington but what was more surprising was that there were 7,000 Tory voters in Hackney. John Major held the record from his thumping majority in Huntingdon in 1992 until 2017 and now the record is held by George Howarth in Knowsley near Liverpool.

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15 Jun 2019 11:53 #277 by pacirv
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If you have even a tiny bit of humanity in you you wouldn't vote Tory they have set about tearing the fabric of our society apart with their austerity measures and the dismantling of the NHS and looking after the needy wealthy companies and individuals, sadly the opposition are not a lot better especially fascists like Farage going to be an intetesting election next time round a hung Govt me thinks, but anything's I suppose better than the Tory's or Brexit party.
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15 Jun 2019 12:29 #278 by Markovitch
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carwash wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Diane Abbott holds the record for the highest majority ever in an election. Theresa May got the lowest vote ever for the Tories in a European election. But let's not focus on achievements and do remember to take off our fitbits when Anne Widdicombe comes on tv


No Diane Abbott doesn't. She had a sizeable majority in the 2017 general election - for Hackney and Stoke Newington but what was more surprising was that there were 7,000 Tory voters in Hackney. John Major held the record from his thumping majority in Huntingdon in 1992 until 2017 and now the record is held by George Howarth in Knowsley near Liverpool.


Biggest majority in her constituency. My mistake

Diane Abbott Wins 35,000 Vote Majority - Almost As Many Votes As Theresa May Received In Total

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/dianne-ab...7f12e4b0c5a35c9e83cb

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15 Jun 2019 15:00 #279 by Laffy
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Fake news!!

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15 Jun 2019 16:22 #280 by Mush

Laffy wrote: Fake news!!


Pack in with that crack, you're not Trump :-(

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16 Jun 2019 17:30 #282 by munchymagic
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When we were young and at school, when it was someones birthday the song was - Happy Birthday to you, squashed tomatoes and stew, you look like a monkey and you smell like one too.

Weirdly enough, all the kids in my year were Caucasian as imagine the crap that you would innocently get yourself into these days as a child singing that.

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16 Jun 2019 20:45 #284 by Yorkie Blue
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I would think in the main, swamp life is more intelligent, more companiable and less slimy than some of Mr Corbyn`s associates.
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17 Jun 2019 06:54 #285 by Markovitch
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You really have to take your hat off the tories. You have working class workers voting to make themselves poorer while increasing the take home pay of people earning 100k by 6k a year. People on the long term sick or unemployed who haven't had a benefits rise for 9 years clamouring to denigrate the party that will help them.

People like John nixon who are big cheeses in the Tory party must wet themselves laughing

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17 Jun 2019 07:29 #286 by Laffy
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Fact check for Marko

-JN is not a big cheese in the Tory party
-cutting taxes raises the overall take

Meanwhile another strike this week announced by the RMT to protect guards-I wonder if brother Corbyn will be on the picket line.McDonnell won’t as he’s busy supporting the hardline Cuban regime
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17 Jun 2019 08:16 #287 by Markovitch
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Yes he is.
No it doesn't. Once taxes drop below about 60% a fall in tax rates means a fall in revenue. That's why trumps tax cuts have resulted in the biggest us deficit ever.

Boris won't be there I imagine? No time to defend the interests of the working man what with shagging his best friends wife.

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17 Jun 2019 10:35 - 17 Jun 2019 10:46 #288 by thesilentone
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Trumps policies have succeeded on the revenue side, however failed with the required cuts due to opposition from the democrats.

They democrats also have a policy of ' oppose anything the opposition does, whether in the National interest or not ' something we are familiar with.
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17 Jun 2019 10:44 - 17 Jun 2019 10:45 #289 by Markovitch
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Where do you even get this stuff from? I absolutely despair. The US treasury own figures show that tax revenues have fallen and repatriation of wealth has fallen as well

www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-tax-revenue-dec...-in-2018-11550084426


One post was headlined, "U.S. government reports record tax haul after Trump tax cuts spur economic growth."

This story was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

We found that the story is pegged to a real number, but not a number that holds up well to scrutiny. (Our inquiry to the website was not answered.)

The underlying data point is "very misleading," said Patrick Newton, a spokesman for the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.


And people who are members of the Institute of Taxation know this!! We get a magazine every month that tells us!! Don't we?!
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17 Jun 2019 10:53 #290 by thesilentone
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I don't doubt you read lots of information, however you do seem to have a problem with interpretation though.

You must have been skiving during Comprehension....

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17 Jun 2019 11:33 #291 by Laffy
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That would explain why Eire, with low taxes, is so prosperous Marko.I only speak from personal experience-I would basically put my feet up if Corbyn raised taxes but I’m happy to pay 40/45pc on the basis I can afford it.There is a threshold at which point you basically say ‘what’s the point?’

As I have said many times,I would abolish vat and introduce a consumption tax-with food and other essentials being exempt or zero rated.The gaming industry works on a similar platform and raises huge amounts of tax
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17 Jun 2019 11:53 #292 by Markovitch
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thesilentone wrote: I don't doubt you read lots of information, however you do seem to have a problem with interpretation though.

You must have been skiving during Comprehension....



Aaargh
Federal tax revenue declined 0.4% in 2018, the first full calendar year under the new tax law, despite robust economic growth and the lowest unemployment rate in nearly five decades.

Why is it so hard to understand?? What is so difficult in that phrase?? Cutting taxes decreases the amount of money the Government receive

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17 Jun 2019 12:06 #293 by carwash
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But Laffy is correct in saying high taxes affect behaviour. Put the income tax rate up to 60 per cent and he's not going to arsed to go into the office when he can shoot pheasants or whatever. There is currently a 28% CGT rate on residential property apart from your main residence. So if you'd bought a flat in London to rent out for £100k 20 years ago and now sold it for £500k you would pay over £100k in tax. You'd only ever sell it as a last resort. The only way to fix the so-called housing crisis and have more homes available to buy is to cut this CGT rate or have a CGT-free window to release thousands of properties on to the market.
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17 Jun 2019 12:54 #294 by Taffy-P
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I pay 40% income tax and would never vote for a party that cut tax If I’m doing well I want the rest of society to do well too

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17 Jun 2019 13:12 #295 by Markovitch
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The effect on behaviour is marginal. If you run a business or have a job earning 200k a year and Corbyn announces an extra £20 a week on tax you're not going to just quit and give up, are you? Put tax up from 50% to 90% and it's a possibility but that's not what Corbyn has proposed.
For the people who print the Telegraph and the Mail it is moot anyway because they exploit the tax loop holes to live in the Channel Islands or the Caribbean where the tax rate is effectively zero.


I didn't really understand the point about houses. If you have a business and sell say paper you pay taxes on the profits, CGT on the shares. If you buy traded shares you pay taxes on the gains so why should houses be different? 28% doesn't sound too onerous. When you look at houses in London my understanding is that most of the empty city centre houses are owned by foreigners through offshore companies, so they don't pay tax anyway- you just buy the shares which are BVI registered assets so the tax doesn't have any effect. I guess for UK based landlords it will have an effect but are people sitting on empty, unproductive houses just to save tax?

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17 Jun 2019 13:18 #296 by Flatcap
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Cutting tax raises revenue? How?
Better to have as big a crackdown on tax avoiders as on benefit cheats, Both cost the country money.

There's always someone there to take the place of those who no longer think it's worthwhile continuing because of the amount of tax they pay.

After all the more income tax you pay, means the more you are earning.

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17 Jun 2019 14:06 #297 by Laffy
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There is plenty of evidence to confirm lower taxes means higher tax recovery.

I would also point out that this govt has done more to stop tax evasion than most-Osborne was very good at this.Under the last Labour govt, tax avoidance was endemic and I should know as I witnessed it first hand.Some of the stuff being flogged was just plain immoral-and Osborne’s reforms have had a retrospective impact on those schemes.

Raise taxes, lower the take.Just look at stamp duty collection which is falling.

As for offshore companies Marko, that was blown out of the water in April of this year-all now subject to tax on gains.Yes-by a Tory chancellor!!!

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17 Jun 2019 14:49 #298 by Taffy-P
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Laffy wrote: There is plenty of evidence to confirm lower taxes means higher tax recovery.

I would also point out that this govt has done more to stop tax evasion than most-Osborne was very good at this.Under the last Labour govt, tax avoidance was endemic and I should know as I witnessed it first hand.Some of the stuff being flogged was just plain immoral-and Osborne’s reforms have had a retrospective impact on those schemes.

Raise taxes, lower the take.Just look at stamp duty collection which is falling.

As for offshore companies Marko, that was blown out of the water in April of this year-all now subject to tax on gains.Yes-by a Tory chancellor!!!

When The Duke of Westminster died He paid no inheritance tax on his 8.6 billion estate This is tax avoidance and needs stopped

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17 Jun 2019 16:10 #299 by Laffy
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There is a difference between avoidance and evasion-I believe Gerald Grosvenor paid huge amounts of tax in his lifetime

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