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02 Sep 2018 22:09 #51 by howoldboy
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Laffy wrote: That will be why the ex Chief Rabbi is getting hot under the collar and Hen Broon is back-a Daily Mail plot.As usual,Labour would have us believe we simply ‘don’t understand’ because we are too stupid,including Lord Jonathan Sachs.

As for tax dodgers,it was under New Labour that tax avoidance was rife and became an industry.Massive loopholes have been shut down over the last 8 years, mainly by Osborne.



So where are you hiding it now?

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02 Sep 2018 22:40 #52 by Dancingbear
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Anyone else think there’s just a tiny bit of faux outrage from people who don’t have a clue what it’s all about and prob couldn’t give two shits about Jews or Israel anyway?

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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02 Sep 2018 23:42 #53 by Taffy-P
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Laffy I get the fealing your a Tory

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03 Sep 2018 01:23 #54 by Bluedazblue
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Dancingbear wrote: Anyone else think there’s just a tiny bit of faux outrage from people who don’t have a clue what it’s all about and prob couldn’t give two shits about Jews or Israel anyway?


Possibly, but does that make the outrage of Jewish Labour MPs such as Margaret Hodge and Luciana Berger invalid?

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03 Sep 2018 01:36 #55 by Dancingbear
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Bluedazblue wrote:

Dancingbear wrote: Anyone else think there’s just a tiny bit of faux outrage from people who don’t have a clue what it’s all about and prob couldn’t give two shits about Jews or Israel anyway?


Possibly, but does that make the outrage of Jewish Labour MPs such as Margaret Hodge and Luciana Berger invalid?


Don’t believe I said it did

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03 Sep 2018 07:36 - 03 Sep 2018 07:37 #56 by Markovitch
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As for tax dodgers, it was under New Labour that tax avoidance was rife and became an industry. Massive loopholes have been shut down over the last 8 years, mainly by Osborne.

We really should have a sticky or a bot that auto corrects daily mail bobby bullshit myths.


1) Hopefully, everyone with an IQ in double figures now understands that the party that borrows the most money is the Tory party and they always have


2) Corbyn, 30 odd years ago, may have gone to a funeral but it was Thatcher who released convicted IRA terrorists from prison to get a deal, May flew into the UK terrorists she was funding and they blew up a pop concert and its May who is slashing funding for MI5 anti-terror units. So, which is the party most likely to let terrorists kill you in your bed, yup.


3) Number 3 offshore tax avoidance

- The EU was so frustrated with the Tories efforts to thwart EU legislation that the Dutch Government released details of Cameron’s personal intervention.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/07...u-tax-crackdown-2013

Cameron argued against holding trusts to the same standards as companies by forcing them to make their end-owners publicly known So nice and easy to hide your illicit earnings then- eh Dave who together with Osborne has more than £100m in offshore trusts.

Furthermore, when HMRC investigations pointed out that for every £1 spent on investigations they raise £84 in revenue the response of George Osborne was to cut their funding. Across the country, we now have 300 people investigating tax evasion but simultaneously 3250 investigating benefits fraud.
As Jeremy Corbyn put it, "Why has this government had 10 times more staff dealing often with the poorest in society abusing benefits than with the super-rich abusing taxes."
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-came...ed-over-400m-7745796

I think we know the answer to that, unlikely to find it in a Rupert Murdoch paper though when you can use the British military to illegally dig for oil in Syria
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03 Sep 2018 08:36 #57 by Laffy
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Taffy-P wrote: Laffy I get the fealing your a Tory


Like a few have said in here,the Tories are the best of a bad bunch.If there was a party that could show me a solution to inequality which works without blowing the economy,I would vote for it.

The sad thing is individuals like Frank Field, who is independently minded,is now a political football himself.

Marko-just focus on one all encompassing question instead of blinding us with stats-

‘do you accept the UK economy was in tatters in 2010, that it had nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher who left power in 1991, and that the Labour Party were in power in the 13 years leading to 2010?’

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03 Sep 2018 08:40 #58 by deeksme
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More than 8 years of tory government and anything wrong with the country is Gordon Brown's fault? Deluded.

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03 Sep 2018 09:06 #59 by Markovitch
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I'm certainly not going to stop using facts to dispute Daily Mail style untruths!

Do I agree the economy was in tatters in 2010. It was considerably better than now, the last 8 years have made everything considerably worse.

If we look at quotes from the FT and CBI in 2010 we see

The UK economy shrank by a shock 0.5% in the last quarter of 2010 as Britain's recovery from recession faltered. (After the Tories came to power)

"With families and businesses already facing both rising unemployment and rising inflation, the fact that the economy is now shrinking means the Conservative-led government's claims to have saved the economy and secured the recovery will ring very hollow indeed,"

Yesterday, though, the outgoing head of the CBI claimed that the government had failed to create a credible growth strategy.

George Buckley of Deutsche Bank said today's 0.5% decline was "quite shocking", and questioned whether the snow could really be blamed for the drop in economic activity.

So even in 2010 the Tories were implementing a culture of failure and blaming the weather!

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03 Sep 2018 09:11 #60 by Bruntonpasty
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deeksme wrote: More than 8 years of tory government and anything wrong with the country is Gordon Brown's fault? Deluded.


I'll tell you what's deluded, the line of thought that says there is only a right wing media and the thought that only tory MP's tell lies. Both sides of the media exaggerate and tell lies and it doesn't matter a jot what colour flag MP's fly, they tell lies, make excuses and give vague answers to pertinent questions. It's hilarious to read Marko's constant bleatings on here, does he really think moaning on and on, on a football messageboard where there's about a handful of folk reading it will make any [censored] difference at all? And then there's the hypocracy of criticising May for bringing a terrorist into the country who bombs kids and families and criticising when the gov't doesn't help refugees!

They don't like it up 'em!

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03 Sep 2018 09:29 #61 by deeksme
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"Both sides of the media" - here is the problem. List all the media outlets that are right wing; compare with those that are left leaning.
Also the idea that all MPS are the same is nonsense. Compare and contrast ReesMogg and Skinner for example; chalk and cheese.
If you don't like Markos "bleatings" then don't read them pasty.

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03 Sep 2018 09:39 #62 by Bruntonpasty
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deeksme wrote: "Both sides of the media" - here is the problem. List all the media outlets that are right wing; compare with those that are left leaning.
Also the idea that all MPS are the same is nonsense. Compare and contrast ReesMogg and Skinner for example; chalk and cheese.
If you don't like Markos "bleatings" then don't read them pasty.


The point I make about the media is that those on here who are left leaning seem to oft be almost in denial that a left wing press exists at all. And yes, OBVIOUSLY Mogg and Skinner are at opposing ends of the scale but, my comment about MP's is a generalisation. There are decent MP's however, they rarely seem to rise to the top, instead, we end up with buffoons like Boris and reformed/closet communists like McDonnell. Laffy makes a good point that if there was a centrist party that was worth voting for, people might actually have more faith in politicians. Until then, like someone else said, I'll vote for who I believe is least crap or perhaps I may not bother at all. As it stands, my current mantra for life is "look after yerself and yer own 'cos nee [censored] else is gonna do it"

They don't like it up 'em!

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03 Sep 2018 09:54 #63 by thesilentone
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Markovitch wrote: I'm certainly not going to stop using facts to dispute Daily Mail style untruths!

Do I agree the economy was in tatters in 2010. It was considerably better than now, the last 8 years have made everything considerably worse.

If we look at quotes from the FT and CBI in 2010 we see

The UK economy shrank by a shock 0.5% in the last quarter of 2010 as Britain's recovery from recession faltered. (After the Tories came to power)

"With families and businesses already facing both rising unemployment and rising inflation, the fact that the economy is now shrinking means the Conservative-led government's claims to have saved the economy and secured the recovery will ring very hollow indeed,"

Yesterday, though, the outgoing head of the CBI claimed that the government had failed to create a credible growth strategy.

George Buckley of Deutsche Bank said today's 0.5% decline was "quite shocking", and questioned whether the snow could really be blamed for the drop in economic activity.

So even in 2010 the Tories were implementing a culture of failure and blaming the weather!



Marko, I'm sure you put up a link to a Mail article on increased deaths in the NHS due to ' Tory Cuts' so, please make your mind up.

You talk like a Goose Sxites...........

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03 Sep 2018 10:09 #64 by Markovitch
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Its the stages of denial though isn't it? There is no reason to vote Tory, so now its please don't put facts in the posts and why don't you stop posting, there are too few people to make a difference.

If North Korea had a Government that cut services, increased taxes, implemented laws that benefited themselves, saw mortality rates rise and entered into pointless wars but still, the people stood in the street and defended them you would call them brainwashed.

And pasty, the terrorist we were funding to fight in Libya who blew up the concert, he was British so nothing to do with refugees?

As Aldous Huxley wrote

“All right then," said the savage defiantly, I'm claiming the right to be unhappy."
"Not to mention the right to grow old and ugly and impotent; the right to have syphilis and cancer; the right to have too little to eat, the right to be lousy; the right to live in constant apprehension of what may happen tomorrow; the right to catch typhoid; the right to be tortured by unspeakable pains of every kind."
There was a long silence.
"I claim them all," said the Savage at last.”


I don't claim your right to inflict them on me though

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Huxley eh? Hmmmmm................... was he off his tits on LSD at the time?

They don't like it up 'em!

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03 Sep 2018 10:25 #66 by Markovitch
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Never enough to vote Tory
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03 Sep 2018 10:39 #67 by High Street
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And yet still they’ve been in power for 26 out of the last 39 years.

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03 Sep 2018 13:07 #68 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote:

Taffy-P wrote: Laffy I get the fealing your a Tory


Like a few have said in here,the Tories are the best of a bad bunch.If there was a party that could show me a solution to inequality which works without blowing the economy,I would vote for it.

The sad thing is individuals like Frank Field, who is independently minded,is now a political football himself.

Marko-just focus on one all encompassing question instead of blinding us with stats-

‘do you accept the UK economy was in tatters in 2010, that it had nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher who left power in 1991, and that the Labour Party were in power in the 13 years leading to 2010?’


Thats only an issue if you think a country running with an ongoing debt is a problem for me it isn't if it means the people have good services and benefits and a good standard of living the Torys could have just come in carried on with the debt, not cut the hell out of the services and benefits and in effect capped everybody wages and we.d of all had a decade of growth milk and honey.

But we all know why they didn't do this because it's not in their mantra yet if you were to ask them whether they all had mortgages and credit card debt we all know what the answer would be don't we. Hypocrites every last one of them.

It's time a party or even a group of like-minded people came together and formed a government based around a social deal ie for a couple of per cent on your tax bill we.ll provide X Y and Z services for the benefit of the wider community which as an offshoot would provide hundreds of thousands of proper 40 hours a week jobs as a bonus.

But the problem is the rich [censored] in this country won't accept the payment based on a percentage of their earnings and even though they earn a million a year they think they should only pay the same as somebody on benefits and until those people gain a social conscience and accept financial responsibility this country will stay the way it is which is a shame because i.m sure there must be a few Tory MP.s who are disgusted at the way their party is tearing apart the social fabric of the country with their programme of Austerity.

And much as I hate Corbyn and everything he stands for him at least him getting elected would mean the end of Old Mother Terressa and the shambles of posh [censored] masquerading as a political party and then maybe the real labour party would make a comeback at last.

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03 Sep 2018 14:02 #69 by thesilentone
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Laffy wrote:

Taffy-P wrote: Laffy I get the fealing your a Tory


Like a few have said in here,the Tories are the best of a bad bunch.If there was a party that could show me a solution to inequality which works without blowing the economy,I would vote for it.

The sad thing is individuals like Frank Field, who is independently minded,is now a political football himself.

Marko-just focus on one all encompassing question instead of blinding us with stats-

‘do you accept the UK economy was in tatters in 2010, that it had nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher who left power in 1991, and that the Labour Party were in power in the 13 years leading to 2010?’


Thats only an issue if you think a country running with an ongoing debt is a problem for me it isn't if it means the people have good services and benefits and a good standard of living the Torys could have just come in carried on with the debt, not cut the hell out of the services and benefits and in effect capped everybody wages and we.d of all had a decade of growth milk and honey.

But we all know why they didn't do this because it's not in their mantra yet if you were to ask them whether they all had mortgages and credit card debt we all know what the answer would be don't we. Hypocrites every last one of them.

It's time a party or even a group of like-minded people came together and formed a government based around a social deal ie for a couple of per cent on your tax bill we.ll provide X Y and Z services for the benefit of the wider community which as an offshoot would provide hundreds of thousands of proper 40 hours a week jobs as a bonus.

But the problem is the rich [censored] in this country won't accept the payment based on a percentage of their earnings and even though they earn a million a year they think they should only pay the same as somebody on benefits and until those people gain a social conscience and accept financial responsibility this country will stay the way it is which is a shame because i.m sure there must be a few Tory MP.s who are disgusted at the way their party is tearing apart the social fabric of the country with their programme of Austerity.

And much as I hate Corbyn and everything he stands for him at least him getting elected would mean the end of Old Mother Terressa and the shambles of posh [censored] masquerading as a political party and then maybe the real labour party would make a comeback at last.


The last time the Socialists tried the ludicrous system you are suggesting, the super rich simply said, by-by to the UK and became expats to avoid giving all there income to the inland revenue. The nett result was the UK got nowt !! The exact same would happen again if a tax the rich policy won the day, so we get no benefit at all.High earning or so-called rich, are generally wealth generators, this usually includes a whole chain of Companies and Employees who gain an income from the entrepreneurs who are already carrying 90% of the tax burden in the UK. Why kill the Golden Goose ?

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03 Sep 2018 15:07 #70 by Laffy
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Totally agree.

Here is what I would do if 98pc taxes were brought in again like the socialists in the 1970s.

Rather than work my arse off and be left with 2pc of my income to support others who choose not to work hard or think everyone should be equal,I would simply put my feet up,live off capital for a few years, wait for the socialists to destroy the economy, then buy back into a sectors which have been screwed by political interference and idealism.

Hey-I might even engage in a bit of tax avoidance, given it’s a fact that this prospers when taxes are too high.

The fact is the wealthiest in this country pay most of the tax-and on the whole,the wealthiest tend to take the business risks and create more employment.The State on the other hand pays no tax,suffocates enterprise, and needlessly wastes money.

I’ve said before-the most lucrative form of taxation is a tax on consumption ie VAT.Very efficient and almost impossible to avoid if you are a spender.

One final point-the average pension pot of a government employee is 3x that of one in the private sector.Why is that?
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03 Sep 2018 15:37 - 03 Sep 2018 15:37 #71 by Markovitch
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Ooo, Fontainebleau play their joker.

I can see the sad scenes in homes across Britain. Kids, evil Corbyn has put 2p on the top tax rate. I earn 50 grand a week/month/year so unfortunately, we are going to have to sell our home, sell the cars and horses, shut the business and move to Dubai/Kaliningrad/Malaysia because of the unspeakable tax burden which is (still 18% less than it was under Thatcher).

There was no huge drain of wealthy individuals when Labour were in power at the turn of the century.

According to Huffington Post
Right-wing politicians and pundits carry on repeatedly about how wrong it would be to raise taxes on the rich in a time of economic downturn. Wrong.

Just because you repeat something over and over doesn’t make it true. In fact, there is a body of empirical, historical evidence that proves clearly that tax cuts for the rich not only do nothing to spur economic growth — they actually do substantial damage to the prospects for economic growth.


However, the World Bank has found that
Having money from economic growth flow to poor people rather than the rich feeds into a lift in the rate of economic growth and lower unemployment. Conversely, as income inequality increases, the potential for economic growth is constrained.

Still, let's try to keep nasty facts out of discussions and stick to memes and GIFs, however wrong

It's also worth pointing out that all surveys have shown that people with low intelligence believe these Daily Mailisms but those with higher IQs and educations don't.
Amongst those with low educational qualifications (defined as GCSE or equivalent or below) the Conservatives beat Labour by 22%. However amongst those with high-level educational qualifications (defined as degree-level or above) Labour led by 17 percentage points

yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/how-britain...17-general-election/

The problem for me is that I want to be able to enjoy my money. I don't want to have to live in a gated community surrounded by guards. I've done it before and it's not much fun. If we share we can all live together, invest in companies, watch our football etc take everything away from people so they have nothing left to lose and you will suffer as well
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03 Sep 2018 16:05 #72 by Lancs blue
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Laffy wrote: Totally agree.

Here is what I would do if 98pc taxes were brought in again like the socialists in the 1970s.

Rather than work my arse off and be left with 2pc of my income to support others who choose not to work hard or think everyone should be equal,I would simply put my feet up,live off capital for a few years, wait for the socialists to destroy the economy, then buy back into a sectors which have been screwed by political interference and idealism.

Hey-I might even engage in a bit of tax avoidance, given it’s a fact that this prospers when taxes are too high.

The fact is the wealthiest in this country pay most of the tax-and on the whole,the wealthiest tend to take the business risks and create more employment.The State on the other hand pays no tax,suffocates enterprise, and needlessly wastes money.

I’ve said before-the most lucrative form of taxation is a tax on consumption ie VAT.Very efficient and almost impossible to avoid if you are a spender.

One final point-the average pension pot of a government employee is 3x that of one in the private sector.Why is that?


Its amazing how often you take a break from working your arse off to come on here and either blow your own trumpet, do down working class people trying to protect their jobs or talking economic bollocks.

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03 Sep 2018 16:07 #73 by Laffy
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Marko

I have said all along that I will vote for anyone that can demonstrate a solution to inequality without blowing the economy apart.I don’t see one at the moment but I do believe it is plain stupid to punish wealth creators.That probably means taxing capital rather than income and you and probably agree IHT is going to be a real tax raiser going forward.

Contrast this with stamp duty where the Osborne hikes have reduced trade and tax recovery.

I’m bored with this conversation-say something about football

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03 Sep 2018 16:17 #74 by Markovitch
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The solution is very simple,
1) Stop spending money on things that don't work. Trident, HS2, Hinckley Point. Massive capital projects where all the money goes out of the country and we get no benefit here in Britain.
2) Stop giving money to countries for vicarious reasons. I'm not against giving money to Africans who are starving but £800m to Ukraine to buy US weapons, £85m to Al Queda to rebrand as the White Helmets. billions down the tubes in Syria and for what?

We have endless pots of money for this but we need to have a discussion about the NHS? Investment in the NHS creates jobs, here in Britain and it saves lives. We need strong armed forces, but not one that consists of 4 submarines and nothing else.

Simply appalling mismanagement

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03 Sep 2018 16:28 #75 by munchymagic
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Markovitch wrote: The solution is very simple,
1) Stop spending money on things that don't work. Trident, HS2, Hinckley Point. Massive capital projects where all the money goes out of the country and we get no benefit here in Britain.
2) Stop giving money to countries for vicarious reasons. I'm not against giving money to Africans who are starving but £800m to Ukraine to buy US weapons, £85m to Al Queda to rebrand as the White Helmets. billions down the tubes in Syria and for what?

We have endless pots of money for this but we need to have a discussion about the NHS? Investment in the NHS creates jobs, here in Britain and it saves lives. We need strong armed forces, but not one that consists of 4 submarines and nothing else.

Simply appalling mismanagement


Its Hinkley Point Marko - I only know this as I lived in Hinckley, Leicestershire at the time that they announced the power plant and being such a small place I nearly shit myself thinking that my house would halve in value and I would be forced to live next to a load of bellowing chimneys like those ones in Long Eaton :)

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03 Sep 2018 16:49 #76 by Markovitch
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HP is a nuclear reactor for which there is no working model anywhere in the world. It will give us the most expensive electricity in the world. They couldn't buy it because it didn't meet safety standards so the French Government had to break EU law by underwriting it. It will be built by the French , EDF. The UK nuclear auditor has now expressed severe concerns about the safety of this thing

Paul Dorfman, of the Energy Institute at University College London, said: “Looking at this report with a practiced eye, you can see that the UK regulators are worried, and things aren’t necessarily going to get any better.

“In all things nuclear, safety is absolutely paramount. The fact that the UK nuclear regulator says that these problems could affect safety is very significant.”


It will give us the most expensive electricity in the world.

The latest forecasts have revealed that EDF’s bid to build the first new nuclear plant in a generation could cost energy bill payers £50bn over the life of the project, well above the £6bn bill estimated in 2013.

Consumers are on the hook for a far greater share of the project costs because the wholesale market price for electricity is falling steadily while nuclear power construction remains expensive and high risk.

Under an agreement between the Government and EDF Energy, ironed out in 2013, Hinkley is guaranteed to earn £92.50 for every megawatt-hour (MWh) of energy produced through a combination of wholesale market prices and a levy on consumer energy bills.

At the time Government said this would require top-up payments totaling £6bn via energy bills to meet the "strike price", but falling market prices have widened the forecast gap every year since then.

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03 Sep 2018 17:16 #77 by thesilentone
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So now, you can't be bothered to justify you argument, it has become a cut and paste discussion., well to continue the theme (after finding a non Mail report)

"Jeremy Corbyn has often been accused of wanting to take Britain back to the Seventies. New analysis for Telegraph Money shows that when it comes to income tax rates, his manifesto proposals would do just that.

The top rate of income tax under Labour in the mid-Seventies was 83pc (or as much as 98pc on certain categories of “unearned income”). Under Mr Corbyn’s proposed changes, some taxpayers would face a rate of just under 70pc if Labour were to win power.

The Labour manifesto mentioned only the lowering of the threshold for 45pc tax and the reintroduction of a 50pc rate.

But the interaction of those changes with an existing anomaly caused by the gradual withdrawal of the personal allowance on incomes of more than £100,000 would see some people paying an effective income tax rate of 67.5pc, according to the respected Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), with 2pc in National Insurance contributions on top.

Currently, those who earn between £100,000 and £123,000 lose 50p of the tax-free personal allowance for every £1 earned. This means that they pay an effective tax rate of 60pc on this band of income, plus 2pc NI."

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03 Sep 2018 17:30 - 03 Sep 2018 17:35 #78 by munchymagic
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I had the massive misfortune of once staying nearby Hinkley Point at Pontins Brean Sands (never go there, you will thank me as it makes Blackpool look normal) and it is obviously near Weston-Super-Mare where the beach has more dog shit on it than sand.

Someone high up in authority must hate this area with a vengeance as Weston-Super-Mare is where they sent loads of drug addicts and now a dodgy nuclear plant.

I notice they never put these nuclear plants anywhere near London....


If anyone fancies a laugh go on TripAdvisor and look at Pontins Brean Sands, years later I still go on for a look and it makes me chortle - think I will go for a look now as it always cheers me up :)

www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g6663...omerset_England.html
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03 Sep 2018 17:51 #79 by Mr Quint
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Jumpforfun wrote: For those of us who don't have time to do the reading for ourselves... whats the story here?

Is Corbyn accused of being amti semitic? Whats the evidence? Is it just Tories trying to smear him?


It seems to me that keeping this accusation going is very much in the interest of those opposing Corbyn. To be supportive of the Palestinian people is and therefore to be critical of Israel is not anti Semitic.

It was interesting to see Teresa may being interviewed by Michael Crick for channel 4 news. Prior to her visit to Robyn island (the place Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for decades). Crick made the point that Corbyn had not only campaigned to end Appartitte but had also been arrested outside South Africa house. The point being he has always campaigned for the ‘underdog’. He has also campaigned against injustice and prejudice. He clearly is not anti Semitic but there are clearly many people who want to spin this.

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03 Sep 2018 17:55 #80 by Markovitch
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thesilentone wrote: So now, you can't be bothered to justify you argument, it has become a cut and paste discussion., well to continue the theme (after finding a non Mail report)

"Jeremy Corbyn has often been accused of wanting to take Britain back to the Seventies. New analysis for Telegraph Money shows that when it comes to income tax rates, his manifesto proposals would do just that.

The top rate of income tax under Labour in the mid-Seventies was 83pc (or as much as 98pc on certain categories of “unearned income”). Under Mr Corbyn’s proposed changes, some taxpayers would face a rate of just under 70pc if Labour were to win power.

The Labour manifesto mentioned only the lowering of the threshold for 45pc tax and the reintroduction of a 50pc rate.

But the interaction of those changes with an existing anomaly caused by the gradual withdrawal of the personal allowance on incomes of more than £100,000 would see some people paying an effective income tax rate of 67.5pc, according to the respected Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), with 2pc in National Insurance contributions on top.

Currently, those who earn between £100,000 and £123,000 lose 50p of the tax-free personal allowance for every £1 earned. This means that they pay an effective tax rate of 60pc on this band of income, plus 2pc NI."


I didn't really understand any of that. The top rate of tax is 45% and that applies to people who earn over £150k. Corbyn will put it up by 5%, so if you earn £150k+ you will pay 5p in the pound extra on your earnings- everything else exists already and was dreamed up by the Tories. I'm struggling to think that is unfair

The Barclay Brothers (who own the Telegraph), of course, don't have clean hands when it comes to tax making full use of Cameron schemes. The Guardian has stated that the brothers are tax exiles, and although they reside, at least some of the time, in Monaco (giving Avenue de Grande Bretagne, Monte Carlo as their address) they operate their businesses from an office in the United Kingdom. When asked if he was a tax exile, Sir Frederick stated that he lived abroad for health reasons.[The corporate tax arrangements of the Ritz Hotel, which was purchased and refurbished by the brothers in 1995, was the subject of a December 2012 investigation by BBC's Panorama current affairs television programme. The hotel has paid no corporation tax in the UK by legally claiming reliefs for 17 years.

Hm. No reason for them to scaremonger then

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03 Sep 2018 18:52 #81 by Alan
Sadly for the Jewish community in this country large parts of the Labour party deem Jews to be affluent very wealthy people therefore fair game to racialy snipe at and get away with it.
Politics of envy is alive and well in Labour.

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03 Sep 2018 19:11 #82 by Useless
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The state of Israel is an absolute disgrace, how the world stands by and watches their actions but does nothing shames us.

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03 Sep 2018 23:29 #83 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mr Quint wrote:

Jumpforfun wrote: For those of us who don't have time to do the reading for ourselves... whats the story here?

Is Corbyn accused of being amti semitic? Whats the evidence? Is it just Tories trying to smear him?


It seems to me that keeping this accusation going is very much in the interest of those opposing Corbyn. To be supportive of the Palestinian people is and therefore to be critical of Israel is not anti Semitic.

It was interesting to see Teresa may being interviewed by Michael Crick for channel 4 news. Prior to her visit to Robyn island (the place Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for decades). Crick made the point that Corbyn had not only campaigned to end Appartitte but had also been arrested outside South Africa house. The point being he has always campaigned for the ‘underdog’. He has also campaigned against injustice and prejudice. He clearly is not anti Semitic but there are clearly many people who want to spin this.


Of course, there are and yes they're using it and the Jewish Labour MP.s to attack Corbyn but all they're doing is fighting back against the intimidation that they're suffering at the hands of Corbyns Militant.

But the question you have to ask yourself is considering how long this has gone on why the hell hasn't he tried to defend himself and put together a proper denial [ whether it was true or total bullshit ] have a go and defend yourself but no nothing yet the minute you mention the Militant and their intimidation of good local Labour MP.s and out he comes fighting with both fists flying very strange indeed.

Not many of you will have seen it but the BBC in the North West has a new political correspondent and he.s shit hot and took Corbyn to the cleaners in an interview today [ although why he let Corbyn hit back at the very end I don't know ] but you could almost see his hackles rise when the guy mentioned Frank Field and his accusations then he went completely red and steam was coming out of his ears when he pushed him on the other four NW MP.s who are currently suffering serious intimidation.

Whats going on is weird very weird.

But the good news is Corbyn has said when he.s elected Northern will be gone no messing about letting the franchise run down they will simply be stripped of it under non-performance criteria which can only be good news for the North Wests travelling public.

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04 Sep 2018 00:33 - 04 Sep 2018 00:34 #84 by Flatcap
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thesilentone wrote: So now, you can't be bothered to justify you argument, it has become a cut and paste discussion., well to continue the theme (after finding a non Mail report)

"Jeremy Corbyn has often been accused of wanting to take Britain back to the Seventies. New analysis for Telegraph Money shows that when it comes to income tax rates, his manifesto proposals would do just that.

The top rate of income tax under Labour in the mid-Seventies was 83pc (or as much as 98pc on certain categories of “unearned income”). Under Mr Corbyn’s proposed changes, some taxpayers would face a rate of just under 70pc if Labour were to win power.

The Labour manifesto mentioned only the lowering of the threshold for 45pc tax and the reintroduction of a 50pc rate.



But the interaction of those changes with an existing anomaly caused by the gradual withdrawal of the personal allowance on incomes of more than £100,000 would see some people paying an effective income tax rate of 67.5pc, according to the respected Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), with 2pc in National Insurance contributions on top.

Currently, those who earn between £100,000 and £123,000 lose 50p of the tax-free personal allowance for every £1 earned. This means that they pay an effective tax rate of 60pc on this band of income, plus 2pc NI."[/quote]

I would rather pay 60pc tax on £100,000 earnings than the 20% tax I pay on my current earnings of £25,000.

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04 Sep 2018 11:19 - 04 Sep 2018 11:21 #85 by thesilentone
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"I would rather pay 60pc tax on £100,000 earnings than the 20% tax I pay on my current earnings of £25,000."


Given the cash gain is higher v 20% of 25k, would it not be better to pay 20% on £100k ?


When it reaches the point where more than half your income is going to the Government, we're all in the sxxt.

You also add 14% NI contribution ............

If your capable of earning £100k, why are you only earning £25k ?
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04 Sep 2018 11:39 #86 by CCU
He’s clearly not a Train Guard... :whistle:

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04 Sep 2018 12:36 - 04 Sep 2018 12:47 #87 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CCU wrote: He’s clearly not a Train Guard... :whistle:


Amazing I suggest asking everyone to pay an extra 2% on their tax and nobody on benefits says I can't afford that yet you have Toryboys on 100k plus threatening to leave the country rather than pay it.

Theres no wonder the bloody country is [censored]
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04 Sep 2018 13:20 - 04 Sep 2018 13:21 #88 by Markovitch
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To be better off financially under the Tories you have to earn 80k or more. I can't imagine why people who earn a fraction of that would ever vote for them. John Nixon is a leading light in the local party. Maybe it is the forbidden love for John that makes SO and Pasty want to put their money in Nixon's pocket? That sense of sordid love? Just a thought
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04 Sep 2018 15:03 #89 by Laffy
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Well the Old Bill are now investigating Labour and anti Semitic tendencies.That is good news as it will clear this crap up once and for all-though Marko will no doubt view this as an inside job constructed by the naughty Tories.

How far can Corbyn fall?Hopefully the gutter and then get a decent leader who isn’t a danger to the public but who can hold the Tories to account with legitimate alternatives.
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04 Sep 2018 15:09 - 04 Sep 2018 15:12 #90 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: Well the Old Bill are now investigating Labour and anti Semitic tendencies.That is good news as it will clear this crap up once and for all-though Marko will no doubt view this as an inside job constructed by the naughty Tories.

How far can Corbyn fall?Hopefully the gutter and then get a decent leader who isn’t a danger to the public but who can hold the Tories to account with legitimate alternatives.


And so say all of us But the trouble is theres no incentive for the Torys to help get rid of him because the last thing they need is a Labour opposition led by a decent leader with policies that benefit the British people
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04 Sep 2018 17:57 #91 by Yorkie Blue
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The Labour Party needs someone like John Smith or even Tony Blair (the early years) as a party leader, who did so much to make Labour electable after Foot and Kinnock, a strong and cohesive opposition is always a good watchdog for the party in power.

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04 Sep 2018 18:52 #92 by CCU
After the Lord Mayor’s show?


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05 Sep 2018 19:36 #93 by thesilentone
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Feck, it really is doom and gloom in the NHS Marko:

www.cumbriacrack.com/2018/09/05/cumberla...teen-inpatient-beds/

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07 Sep 2018 06:20 #94 by CCU
Blair wading in on Corbyn now...


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08 Sep 2018 00:04 #95 by howoldboy
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CCU wrote: Blair wading in on Corbyn now...



Apparently Labour membership is higher now than at any time under Blair.

I wonder why?

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08 Sep 2018 06:00 #96 by Dancingbear
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It’s higher than any political party in Europe isn’t it?

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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08 Sep 2018 11:18 #97 by cufcmike
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Also, a bit rich plugging the "unelectable" line, when at last year's election, he won the most votes since 2001. Meaning the Tory Lite attempts at running the country in 2006, 2010 and 2015 were all less electable than Corbyn. Also achieved the biggest swing to Labour since 1945.

Personally I never voted Labour before Corbyn. Tory Lite never appealed to me. Folk would say "Yeah but you need to vote for them to keep the Tories out." No. If you offered me a choice between a punch in the face and a kick in the balls, I would naturally choose the punch in the face, as it would hurt less. However given a choice, I'd rather choose neither.

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08 Sep 2018 12:30 - 08 Sep 2018 12:35 #98 by thesilentone
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Dancingbear wrote: It’s higher than any political party in Europe isn’t it?



Labour and Momentumn, is a bit like the Trust really.....

I have a feeling Lansman is looking elsewhere, a bit like the rats from the Trust....

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/07...tion-corbyn-campaign
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18 Feb 2019 09:46 #99 by CCU
Still an issue that won’t go away.

4th Feb, Labour General Secretary Jennie Formby faced a ‘stormy’ meeting of the PLP:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47123328

12th Feb, figures released:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47203397

Today, rumours it’s one of the main reasons (That and Brexit) we may see some Labour MP’s walk away this morning...

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18 Feb 2019 10:00 #100 by pacirv
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First past the post elections no longer work. That's why we end up with a Govt that doesn't represent the majority of the people. Having our economy run by self interested millionaires is in a way both obscene and in many cases corrupt.

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