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16 Jun 2019 17:02 #101 by seesaw50
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So where's the funding coming from...... same as The Sands in Carlisle....loans? ..If so they have to be serviced by Councils who are so "cash strapped" they have to rely on volunteers to clean up litter apparently.

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16 Jun 2019 17:32 #102 by Mullen103
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At the moment the new stadium will be used for pub football and part time egg chasing.

Along with a couple of games in the egg chasing World Cup: that’s it.

I’m all for it however surely you can see the views from people against it.

At least we’re not Stockport
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16 Jun 2019 23:06 #103 by markredfox73
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Its a damn site more use than BP will get though if its built....that is for sure..

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17 Jun 2019 08:18 #104 by Dancingbear
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seesaw50 wrote: So where's the funding coming from...... same as The Sands in Carlisle....loans? ..If so they have to be serviced by Councils who are so "cash strapped" they have to rely on volunteers to clean up litter apparently.


I must have missed the bit where the sands were signing Sellafield up to rent office space to pay the majority of the costs.

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18 Jun 2019 13:56 #105 by Dancingbear
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Mark Jenkinson my local tory councillor. Still the flower beds are starting to take hold. That'll get the visitors in.

www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/17713052.rug...ium-plan/?ref=twtrec

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18 Jun 2019 14:10 #106 by Moylesey
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"I didn't expect to get my face eaten by leopards says woman who voted for 'Get Your Face Eaten By Leopards' Party..."
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18 Jun 2019 14:34 #107 by Dancingbear
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Moylesey wrote: "I didn't expect to get my face eaten by leopards says woman who voted for 'Get Your Face Eaten By Leopards' Party..."


I didnt vote for him :)

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18 Jun 2019 14:56 - 18 Jun 2019 15:09 #108 by Moylesey
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Wasn't aimed at you DB.

I was confronted by a bloke last week that voted for MJ as a protest as he didn't like Mark Fryer. He was whinging that he didn't realise that MJ wasn't entirely in favour of the stadium even though he and his colleagues and many independents consistently referred to it as an expensive vanity project throughout their campaigns. He was 'gutted' at the prospect of Allerdale losing the World Cup and Reds/Town losing out on a new stadium and he genuinely wondered out loud if he could change his vote...

The trouble with local elections is that relatively small number of people can seriously affect the eventual outcomes. Given that this is potentially the 'big ticket' issue in Allerdale for the next four years then if people wanted it they should have voted for the party proposing it. If they didn't want it they should have voted for parties against it. If they didn't vote they don't deserve to complain either way.

Many people used their local vote to voice displeasure over Brexit. This is what can happen to local decision making when that happens on a single issue. 21 independent councillors will be like herding cats in terms of policy and decision making and Allerdale will have this hiatus every time a major decision needs to be made.

To be honest nobody can really complain about the Independent/Conservative collation if they pull the plug - they have a decision making mandate from the people of Allerdale after all.

Democracy in action - don't you just love it?
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20 Jun 2019 09:41 #109 by Laffy
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Just read in the FT today that there is 12.5 trillion dollars of negative yielding debt in the market.German 10 year bonds yield negative 0.29pc which means you are paying them to lose money.

What does this mean?It means it’s never been a better time for the Workington stadium proposal to be financed as put forward as long term money is incredibly cheap.

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27 Jun 2019 10:23 #110 by Laffy
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According to the FT today,Austria are raising 100 year bonds with an interest rate of 1.2pc.Precisely how the stadium financial structure could be achieved with a Council headlease.

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28 Jun 2019 14:26 #111 by orfc

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28 Jun 2019 15:18 #112 by Laffy
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Absolutely pathetic-West Cumbria loses out again and no Plan B

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28 Jun 2019 15:35 #113 by RedArrow**
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Disgraceful decision. Deputy leader Mark Jenkinsons said it was a 95 million PFI deal. No mention of the current low interest rate. I walked out of the meeting in disgust. We could have done with your knowledge in there today Andrew. A once in a lifetime golden opportunity wasted. I'm gutted.

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28 Jun 2019 15:45 #114 by Taffy-P
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Conservatives The price of everything the value of nothing !!
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28 Jun 2019 15:53 #115 by BlueBanana
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Shame Carlisle City Council don't pull the plug on that ridiculous sands redevelopment

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28 Jun 2019 16:02 #116 by Laffy
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As I said, no plan B and a once in lifetime opportunity missed.They would claw a lot of the value back through the World Cup exposure to West Cumbria but forget that-the long term benefits were enormous for the community as a whole.

I wonder what assets the Council are buying using their balance sheet?Northumberland CC bought a shopping centre in Cramlington for £70m about 4 years ago-I reckon it’s probably halved in value since.

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28 Jun 2019 16:35 #117 by Urban Designer
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Wow - I didn't think Cramlington was worth £70m!

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28 Jun 2019 16:40 #118 by Laffy
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Wow is an understatement.All about timing!

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28 Jun 2019 17:48 #119 by markredfox73
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Absolute shambles and a bunch of backwards thinking idiot councillors ruined a really grand plan...sickened to the bone at this news

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28 Jun 2019 18:09 #120 by Laffy
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Sad to say it but I agree Mark-some of that lot making the decisions won’t have been over the other side of the M6 and seen the outside world.

The world is passing West Cumbria by-entrenched in local politics and run by a few narrow minded individuals.A bit like the committee in the local Golf club

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28 Jun 2019 18:09 #121 by Mullen103
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Again I was all for it, but what was the use of the stadium for after the egg chasing World Cup.

I’ve no idea how many Workington rugby gets, I haven’t checked, but I’m guessing it’s not much more than a thousand.

Then you have Workington reds. I don’t think they have had a crowd over 1000 for a while and now at pub league level.

These are the things councillors think about. If it’ll be used long term. Maybe there was a plan for more investment for reds if the stadium was a goer but if no one knows about it.

I think reds may go under now, which is a shame but as you say no plan B.

At least we’re not Stockport
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28 Jun 2019 18:14 #122 by Urban Designer
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It would have restored/enhanced civic pride - Im sure the corwds would have gone up and had a positive effect on the area.

Councillors are unqualified power hungry pensioners who can't see beyond the end of their garden!

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28 Jun 2019 18:39 #123 by Laffy
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Exactly my point.It wouldn’t be just a stadium for the few-for the whole community and a real asset to the area, a real focus for improvement and change.An investment in everyone’s future.

Saying no basically sends a poor message-we can’t afford it,can’t be bothered, doesn’t matter.Well it does actually and over decades, the ‘cost’ will disappear into the ether.Im sure the Romans didn’t worry about the cost of the Colosseum 2000 years after it was built.

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28 Jun 2019 19:00 #124 by Dazwacky
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Narrow minded idiots I would say!! I was in Whitehaven yesterday and looking over the harbour that was full of yachts and also on the sea it was actually looking good, they are spending a bit on money round the area and looked Marrapolitan ;-)

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28 Jun 2019 19:05 #125 by Laffy
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Someone or something has to kickstart projects like this.Gateshead Garden Festival a case in point-look at that side of the Tyne now.

One of the councillors mentioned the words ‘ cost to the taxpayer’ Isn’t this why we pay taxes?Jobs, investment, profile and a catalyst.Its not just about covering dustbins and benefits

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28 Jun 2019 19:13 #126 by Piglet_Phoenix
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What price a Lapping takeover at Reds?

Surely it would come at a price of a fraction of the millions you were planning to invest at Brunton Park?

Imagine it, you could ride in on a white horse in Knighton-esque fashion with your borrowed Austrian bonds: "Football League within ten years...etc"

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28 Jun 2019 19:15 #127 by Mullen103
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I’m playing devils advocate here and thinking of the councillors one eyed view.

What will be the long term benefit of it?

The councillors will look at Darlington - they always look at negatives - and say it’ll be a white elephant, won’t benefit the community etc.

Again I’m for it but you need as many arguments to persuade these councillors.

At least we’re not Stockport

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28 Jun 2019 19:23 #128 by Dancingbear
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Mullen103 wrote: I’m playing devils advocate here and thinking of the councillors one eyed view.

What will be the long term benefit of it?

The councillors will look at Darlington - they always look at negatives - and say it’ll be a white elephant, won’t benefit the community etc.

Again I’m for it but you need as many arguments to persuade these councillors.


Arguments for it is renting out the office space would have covered a large proportion of it. Borough Park is on its last legs. Loads of junior football and rugby would also be played on it. Admittedly the teams arent well supported now, just over 1000 there on sunday for the rugby match but with improved match day experience in a better ground im sure the crowds would go up.

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28 Jun 2019 19:57 - 28 Jun 2019 19:58 #129 by Dazwacky
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Darlington is such a bad example to compare Workington too!! that was never going to work, its all about ambition a great example is Forrest Green population circa 6000 and they get good crowds, Ross county in Scotland is the same they often get 4000+ and the same population 6000ish WHY? West Cumbria is missing a trick by not developing a new stadium if they were successful and got into the football league and played Carlisle it would be 8000 sell out week in week out FACT
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28 Jun 2019 20:08 #130 by Laffy
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Darlington is a terrible example/built by old safe cracker himself.25k seater but nothing around it.This stadium would be surrounded by commerce but could easily be scaled back to 5k seats I assume.Saying it would cost Xm over a long period misses the point-£1 in 1970 is worth SFA today

I had a trial at Workington RL when I was 15.It hasn’t moved on much since because of the facilities-likewise the Reds

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28 Jun 2019 20:21 #131 by CCU
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Sod Reds...

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28 Jun 2019 20:46 #132 by ROOSTER
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Was never going to happen, plan B is to refurbish Borough Park now.....

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28 Jun 2019 21:06 #133 by Taffy-P
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You can’t polish a turd

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28 Jun 2019 21:17 #134 by Laffy
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Try telling the Council

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28 Jun 2019 22:06 #135 by bruntonpete
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Will west Cumbrias loss be Carlisles gain? Strike while the iron is hot and take advantage of their dithering. My hopes aren't high.
I was at the Etihad complex yesterday at man city. Our school hire a facility got sports day. 5 other schools were there. New builds are springing up all around. Offices, housing, shops, transport links, pubs etc. I'm no fan of city but this huge complex has rejuvenated miles platting and surrounding area which is and always has been a complete dump.
Carlisle could go for a great sports village with all the assets to go with that. Or they could think small, revamp a sports centre and pool, continue to undervalue the city and its historical and aesthetic beauty and continue to kick the place in the teeth and under estimate the city. The council is useless and does not serve the city or its population. Never has.
We could and should have so much to be proud of but our council do their best to serve no one.
I feel for those in west Cumbria. This was a great opportunity and it is unlikely to happen again any time soon.
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28 Jun 2019 22:24 #136 by Laffy
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Exactly-joined up thinking and vision.
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29 Jun 2019 11:43 #137 by Mullen103
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Darlington was a bad example yes, but it’s a negative councillors, without much knowledge will use. Basing decisions on negatives instead of looking at positives, a bit like the owners and trust.

A new stadium would be great and I do think someone would invest in reds. Why not with up to date facilities it’s a no brainer.

But given the current situations I can see why it was against. I don’t get this community use as I’d say less than 10% of the population of Workington would get any use out of it. The long term use, under current situations, was the issue.

Gladys of moorclose, who doesn’t like sport, won’t get any use out of it. She’s just bothered her bins get emptied and busses run.

At least we’re not Stockport
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29 Jun 2019 12:37 #138 by pacirv
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So short sighted whatever we thought of Knighton the guy had vision. A multi use sports village with running facilities and the likes of an ice rink with offices shops, restaurants and amusements is the way forward. MK sadly lost the plot but if A J had been in charge all the time we would still have the scratching pen.

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29 Jun 2019 13:48 #139 by Laffy
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Correct

As for Mullen’s view that only 10pc would use it-based on what?At this juncture, there is no facility and that’s where this will end up.

This was a clever way of financing something which would act as a catalyst for regeneration, community and sport generally.

There is no Plan B.Just like Carlisle-waiting for something to turn up.Let me tell you it rarely does.

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29 Jun 2019 14:16 - 29 Jun 2019 14:18 #140 by Mullen103
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I based it on the fact that in the last census the population of Workington was just over 25k and both teams struggle to even get 1000 there, that’s less than 10%.

I’m struggling to understand the community benefit.

In a time where there’s cuts to adult social care, bin collecting, bus routes and youth services does Workington really need an 8k stadium funded by tax payers. I’d say no based on current evidence.

However I am for it, but there’s no evidence of it’s community benefit, long term jobs. These are the things councillors look at.

At least we’re not Stockport
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29 Jun 2019 15:22 - 29 Jun 2019 15:25 #141 by Dancingbear
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Well my grandma never once visited Brunton or Derwent Parks but she always used to listen to Radio Cumbria of a Saturday and Sunday afternoons commentaries. My dad does the same now he can’t go anymore. Plenty people are interested even if they can’t make it through the turnstiles. No money in that for the tories though so why bother. That said I don’t think it should be a choice between that and adult services either.

As for long term jobs the office space that was gonna be provided would certainly see more money spent in the local shops. 200 people who now eat in the canteens at sellafield would put a few quid into the economy.

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29 Jun 2019 17:14 #142 by thesilentone
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It is wrong to compare today's crowds against what the potential is. Workington RL used to get 10k plus regularly and a record crowd of over 20k.

Build good facilities, and they will come.

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29 Jun 2019 18:01 #143 by MerseysideBlue
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Wasn't the pitch going to be a 4G one that could be hired out too?

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29 Jun 2019 18:10 #144 by seesaw50
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Mullen103 wrote: I based it on the fact that in the last census the population of Workington was just over 25k and both teams struggle to even get 1000 there, that’s less than 10%.

I’m struggling to understand the community benefit.

In a time where there’s cuts to adult social care, bin collecting, bus routes and youth services does Workington really need an 8k stadium funded by tax payers. I’d say no based on current evidence.

However I am for it, but there’s no evidence of it’s community benefit, long term jobs. These are the things councillors look at.


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29 Jun 2019 18:12 #145 by seesaw50
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If this doesnt happen I wonder if it will affect Grainger's long term hopes/managerial career down there

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29 Jun 2019 18:13 #146 by Wukkie
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The councillors who voted against this should hang their heads in shame. It would've been something positive for the town and crowds would've risen for both sports once it was built as most clubs throughout the land have done.

No plan B which is even more sickening. Let's see what kind of ideas these narrow minded fools come up with to spend their loot on.
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29 Jun 2019 18:20 #147 by Laffy
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Plan B as highlighted by Mullen is more bin collections, more buses, more social services spend on youths with nothing to do.

I can’t wait-sounds like a real blast.

Sometimes you have to invest to reap the reward.I remember when they built Hampden all those years ago-stewards enquiry into the cost at the time but it’s still there.If the £50m has been spent elsewhere, it would be long gone-pissed away on ‘supporting’ services .Of course to replace Hampden now you would be looking at 3x the original cost.

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29 Jun 2019 19:35 #148 by CCU
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Hampden is a dump...

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CCU wrote: Hampden is a dump...


..............but looks like the Nou Camp compared to Borough Park...........

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