Is it better post-Curle?

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01 Dec 2018 20:59 #1 by 182blue
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Obviously you will detect the sarcasm in my post, but after a defeat like today and a run of results like we have had , the board would have gone into meltdown if KC was still in charge.
For a lot of people on here, Curle was the root of our problems and some were threatening to stop going until he left.
As I said, it is a admittedly bit pointed, but are this Curle haters out there enjoying the football more this season and are you more optimistic for the future with Sheridan in charge?

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01 Dec 2018 21:06 #2 by newcarlislefan
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It really wasn't that bad today.
1st hour was even.
We have Grainger and Parkes out, Devitt and Nadesan missing today and a central midfielder playing at right back and a centre half at left back and a 17 yr old coming off the bench.
Sheridan's been dealt a bum hand. There's no more cards to play.
We're playing a team where a 4k a week player is on the bench.
Austerity Carlisle United FC can't compete with that.
Tough for any manager with this squad. Paper thin and full of loanees.
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01 Dec 2018 21:12 - 01 Dec 2018 21:13 #3 by crunchblue
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It’s early days, but no, it’s worse.

For the simple reason that the biggest criticism of Curle was the standard of the home performances and results. Unfortunately the standard of the home games this season have been much worse overall. Diabolical is the word. 7 defeats in 8 home games and in that 5 without a goal, against mostly poor opposition says it all.

It’s too early to write Sheridan off, but only the people who hated Curle and wanted him out regardless of how well he did, would say that It’s better under Sheridan.
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01 Dec 2018 21:34 #4 by CCU
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You can’t compare as JS hasn’t had the budget that KC did, and KC didn’t have the budget that JS has.

Two different Managers in different circumstances...

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01 Dec 2018 21:37 #5 by Dancingbear
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We got 1.45 points per game last season and weve got 1.35 so far this so its statistically worse. However if you remove 35% of last years points per game to compensate a 35% budget cut you could say last seasons manager would have achieved 0.94 points per game this season. Am i talking bollocks? probably :)

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01 Dec 2018 21:38 - 01 Dec 2018 21:40 #6 by nobbyblue
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Regardless of budgets at least Curle had a game plan. Sheridan hasn't got a clue and every post match interviews he blames the players (without exception when we dont win). Surely he has take some responsibility.
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01 Dec 2018 21:46 #7 by Dancingbear
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nobbyblue wrote: Regardless of budgets at least Curle had a game plan. Sheridan hasn't got a clue and every post match interviews he blames the players (without exception when we dont win). Surely he has take some responsibility.


If Curle had A game plan we'd maybe have got promoted. I think his main problem was he had far too many game plans.

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01 Dec 2018 21:46 #8 by newcarlislefan
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I don't know if Sheridan spoke to the media or not tonight but his refusal to talk to the media after defeats can't go on.
It looks churlish and unprofessional. Every now and again, fine, but not repeatedly after defeats whilst appearing happy to talk when winning.
Losing is part of the game.
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01 Dec 2018 21:52 #9 by CCU
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He spoke to the Press after the game today, Jon Colman tweeted his comments.

Think one difference with this is that Tommy Wright is a proper number two, so able to speak when needed. When it was Dykes and West there was no hierarchy, Dykes bluffed and West rarely spoke...

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01 Dec 2018 22:42 #10 by Mouldy
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I think I enjoyed watching the football under Curle more - on the whole. We always saw goals (in both ends frustratingly) and we did have quite an unbeaten run. Some of the attacking moves Adams, Jabo, Kennedy and Wyke produced were splendid. The records that team broke (regardless of budget) are certainly better than the records we’ve boasted this season - unbeaten games vs home losses/goal drought etc is always going to be better.

However, Curle didn’t get us up with a big budget - twice and perhaps that’s what we really will remember in years to come. I don’t want to say Sheridan isn’t expected to get promotion because I expect every single manager we employ to aim to get us up, but with such a different budget structure this year, I do concede it’s hard to judge. We’re still fairly early into the Sheridan era too.

I also think that realistically when Curle first took over and kept us up, the football wasn’t brilliant - we were just getting by, which on the whole we are still doing now. The other similarity is the less than desirable home form we’re showing now, which Curle also consistently provided after that January Wyke went.

On the whole we’re consistently a bottom division club. We’ve reached dizzy heights from time to time but on the whole we’ve spent more time in the basement.

In summary - there or there about the same, but in different ways.

all views my own

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01 Dec 2018 22:51 #11 by Alan
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Its no better but at least we are not spunking money on shite at the rate Curle did.

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01 Dec 2018 22:59 #12 by Dentonholmersimpson
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Not sure, but it appears to me the division as a whole is a lot poorer this season.

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01 Dec 2018 23:00 #13 by Bumble
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Has anyone actually seen the pay structure under KC and the paystructure under JS?

A lot of folk are taking as gospel that the wage bill under KC was absolutely massive and the wage bill now is two peanuts and a washer, but who knows?

Under the bonus structure under KC the full bonus didn't kick in unless the team had had three consecutive wins and disappeared with a loss (ref: Joe Thompson's book), so under those terms this season would have been largely a flat wage.

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02 Dec 2018 04:23 #14 by cufcmike
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I heard that some strikers had clean sheet bonuses which is relatively unheard of, and a win, clean sheet and a goal from a certain player would have actually cost a small fortune. Its a good thing we didn't keep a lot of clean sheets eh!

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02 Dec 2018 05:01 #15 by carwash
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It probably splits home form is worse under Sheridan but football is better away from home. Last season at Swindon was truly dire. This season we play like Barcelona and win 4-0. Sunderland away in the EFL trophy was enjoyable like we were at a private screening and seeing Nadesan score. Overall the football post-Curle is probably about the same but we are doing it at low cost so the board will be feeling much happier.

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02 Dec 2018 06:07 - 02 Dec 2018 06:15 #16 by nobbyblue
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Granted I have only seen us once away but the home performances are the worst I've seen for donkeys years.

And if we're that great away how come the away support is down to 200.You'd normally expect 4/500 at Notts C and Lincoln.
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02 Dec 2018 07:50 #17 by Markovitch
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Bumble wrote: Has anyone actually seen the pay structure under KC and the paystructure under JS?

A lot of folk are taking as gospel that the wage bill under KC was absolutely massive and the wage bill now is two peanuts and a washer, but who knows?

Under the bonus structure under KC the full bonus didn't kick in unless the team had had three consecutive wins and disappeared with a loss (ref: Joe Thompson's book), so under those terms this season would have been largely a flat wage.


We know the club was spending the full 55% of turnover under Curle and we know turnover was just over 4m so you can calculate the full employment cost of the first team. Clibbins has also made it clear that savage cuts would be be made so while we don't know what budget Sheridan has it seems fairly clear it is a lot less than the £2.2m Curle was spending

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02 Dec 2018 09:18 #18 by nobbyblue
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Markovitch wrote:

Bumble wrote: Has anyone actually seen the pay structure under KC and the paystructure under JS?

A lot of folk are taking as gospel that the wage bill under KC was absolutely massive and the wage bill now is two peanuts and a washer, but who knows?

Under the bonus structure under KC the full bonus didn't kick in unless the team had had three consecutive wins and disappeared with a loss (ref: Joe Thompson's book), so under those terms this season would have been largely a flat wage.


We know the club was spending the full 55% of turnover under Curle and we know turnover was just over 4m so you can calculate the full employment cost of the first team. Clibbins has also made it clear that savage cuts would be be made so while we don't know what budget Sheridan has it seems fairly clear it is a lot less than the £2.2m Curle was spending


I doubt we had 22 players on an average of £2k a week last season. Lummy will be the man to tell you about wages but I don't think they are as big as people think.

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02 Dec 2018 09:37 #19 by nobbyblue
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Alan wrote: Its no better but at least we are not spunking money on shite at the rate Curle did.


Curle always had some smart clobber though. Shez and Tommy look as though they've just come out of the local homeless hostel. -:)
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02 Dec 2018 10:16 #20 by CCU
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nobbyblue wrote:

Alan wrote: Its no better but at least we are not spunking money on shite at the rate Curle did.


Curle always had some smart clobber though. Shez and Tommy look as though they've just come out of the local homeless hostel. -:)


Probably because they actually get involved in Training etc...

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02 Dec 2018 10:19 #21 by bluebry
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CCU wrote:

nobbyblue wrote:

Alan wrote: Its no better but at least we are not spunking money on shite at the rate Curle did.


Curle always had some smart clobber though. Shez and Tommy look as though they've just come out of the local homeless hostel. -:)


Probably because they actually get involved in Training etc...


To be fair to Curle he always looked immaculate even 'after' training sessions.

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02 Dec 2018 10:50 - 02 Dec 2018 10:52 #22 by nobbyblue
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CCU wrote:

nobbyblue wrote:

Alan wrote: Its no better but at least we are not spunking money on shite at the rate Curle did.


Curle always had some smart clobber though. Shez and Tommy look as though they've just come out of the local homeless hostel. -:)


Probably because they actually get involved in Training etc...


You'd never have guessed! :)
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02 Dec 2018 12:53 #23 by Markovitch
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nobbyblue wrote:

Markovitch wrote:

Bumble wrote: Has anyone actually seen the pay structure under KC and the paystructure under JS?

A lot of folk are taking as gospel that the wage bill under KC was absolutely massive and the wage bill now is two peanuts and a washer, but who knows?

Under the bonus structure under KC the full bonus didn't kick in unless the team had had three consecutive wins and disappeared with a loss (ref: Joe Thompson's book), so under those terms this season would have been largely a flat wage.


We know the club was spending the full 55% of turnover under Curle and we know turnover was just over 4m so you can calculate the full employment cost of the first team. Clibbins has also made it clear that savage cuts would be be made so while we don't know what budget Sheridan has it seems fairly clear it is a lot less than the £2.2m Curle was spending


I doubt we had 22 players on an average of £2k a week last season. Lummy will be the man to tell you about wages but I don't think they are as big as people think.


We had 25 players last season who qualified so that gives an average of 88k each. The rule is total employment cost so knock out insurance, PFA fees, ex-club training costs, employers NI, pension contributions, accommodation and travel costs paid. Pension costs and EmpNi will add 25% to a wage before anything else so when Jenkins says Kennedy is on 78k a year the total cost to CUFC is over 100k. That probably doesn't include bonuses so when he comes back his salary could leap again with knock-on costs for the club. If the wage bill has been cut by 400k (my guess) you could say that Sheridan has 4 less 1st teamers than Curle had last season and yet is achieving just as little

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02 Dec 2018 18:52 #24 by Flatcap
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Sheridan is operating with a threadbare squad.
How many times have we failed to fill the bench this season, including yesterday?

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02 Dec 2018 19:20 - 02 Dec 2018 19:22 #25 by nobbyblue
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Not filling the bench is just Sheridan trying to make a point. There was no reason a young player couldn't have made up the numbers.

As for comparing the two. In his last 14 league games we lost 1. In Sheridans last 14 we've lost 7. :)
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02 Dec 2018 21:01 #26 by newcarlislefan
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Come on Nobby you're not being fair!
Having a very quick look at the 1st 20 games last season and this season I think we're a point better off than where we were this time last season.
Last season's squad had Joyce, Hill, Adams, Shaun Miller and Grainger all playing in the early to mid part of the season all of whom have either gone or been injured for much of this year.
And on the 20th game we played that season we had Devitt, Parkes and Shaun Miller on the bench!
Yesterday's options were so thin on the ground I was tempted to start doing some stretches and shuttle runs at half time as I felt I had a chance of making an impact if required for the closing moments.
Whatever your views on the board, owners, manager, Trust etc just looking at the players, the squad, the people who cross the white line it's a step down in quality and quantity from last year.
Sheridan talks, quite rightly, about the squad being good enough to get out of the league. You can't blame him for saying so and he has to think big.
But it's nonsense. We've lost to Morecambe, Grimsby and Macclesfield recently.
The challenge for the next month or two will be not to get drawn into the group of teams who look downwards for the rest of the season. The quality we have at the back should make this possibility an unlikely one.
Anywhere above mid table will be an achievement this year particularly as we'll be losing our 15-20 goal a season striker in a matter of weeks.

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02 Dec 2018 21:11 #27 by ParcelPete
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nobbyblue wrote: Not filling the bench is just Sheridan trying to make a point. There was no reason a young player couldn't have made up the numbers.

As for comparing the two. In his last 14 league games we lost 1. In Sheridans last 14 we've lost 7. :)


We might have had to pay for an extra Hotel room if we took one of the young lads.

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02 Dec 2018 21:19 #28 by 182blue
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I am not really getting at Sheridan, just really an observation that I don’t think things have improved, we don’t look better organised, the football isn’t better to watch.
I have found the home matches really tedious and terrible to watch this season, which is what people said about the football last season, but I don’t think it was as bad as it has been this.
Keith was infamous for his selection tombola, but we really need to vary the tactics more and try something different at home.
My view is biased in that I go to few away games , so I have only really seen the home displays, which discounts some of the excellent away wins we have had.
Like some others have said, the home matches have been extremely poor, in the main.
Obviously budget is a factor, but professional footballers and a legion of coaches should be able to produce better than what we have seen.
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02 Dec 2018 21:38 #29 by nobbyblue
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I don't think there's much coaching going on with those three in charge.

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02 Dec 2018 23:07 #30 by newcarlislefan
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I think it's fair to say that things haven't improved,
But given the 6 months it took to replace a manager the board knew was leaving and the lack of any substantive pre-season it's no surprise really.
I actually thought some of the early home games were encouraging - Northampton, Port Vale, 1st hour against Tranmere - and that we were in for a real rollercoaster ride.
Unfortunately it's not really panned out like that at home and it's mainly, I think, because of the quality in the attacking third.
How many times have we come away from BP scratching our heads and muttering about fluency, incision, goal threat or attacking prowess.
Poor old Jon Colman must be sick and tired of writing about not being clinical enough or lacking quality up top. The factual nature of the match reports are almost writing themselves of late.
I'm very lucky being able to get to most away games so have been richly rewarded with some great away days.
I think if you mainly see the home games then it is not easy to be positive.
Despite the pessimism caused by the home form and loss of Nadesan there are a few things on the horizon to give hope.
We should be able to get 2 fullbacks in January then we could see the best of Yates and Sowerby playing in their best positions further forward.
Danny and Parkes and Kennedy should be back then that'll make a huge difference and McCarron can only get better.
The biggest sadness for me is with Nadesan.
Not only is he our key attacker, but finacially, if the money could be found for him, he'd turn the club a tidy profit.
Have a good year or 18 months with us, continue to develop as he has done and the club could double their money whilst he hits 15 or 20 goals a season.
We're not going to make any money from loan signings.

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03 Dec 2018 08:22 #31 by nobbyblue
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newcarlislefan wrote: I think it's fair to say that things haven't improved,
But given the 6 months it took to replace a manager the board knew was leaving and the lack of any substantive pre-season it's no surprise really.
I actually thought some of the early home games were encouraging - Northampton, Port Vale, 1st hour against Tranmere - and that we were in for a real rollercoaster ride.
Unfortunately it's not really panned out like that at home and it's mainly, I think, because of the quality in the attacking third.
How many times have we come away from BP scratching our heads and muttering about fluency, incision, goal threat or attacking prowess.
Poor old Jon Colman must be sick and tired of writing about not being clinical enough or lacking quality up top. The factual nature of the match reports are almost writing themselves of late.
I'm very lucky being able to get to most away games so have been richly rewarded with some great away days.
I think if you mainly see the home games then it is not easy to be positive.
Despite the pessimism caused by the home form and loss of Nadesan there are a few things on the horizon to give hope.
We should be able to get 2 fullbacks in January then we could see the best of Yates and Sowerby playing in their best positions further forward.
Danny and Parkes and Kennedy should be back then that'll make a huge difference and McCarron can only get better.
The biggest sadness for me is with Nadesan.
Not only is he our key attacker, but finacially, if the money could be found for him, he'd turn the club a tidy profit.
Have a good year or 18 months with us, continue to develop as he has done and the club could double their money whilst he hits 15 or 20 goals a season.
We're not going to make any money from loan signings.


All this about arriving late and having no pre season isn't quite right. It was just the usual warm up games (not great I'll admit) and Sheridan's decision to go holiday for three weeks when he arrived was his I would guess!

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04 Dec 2018 10:59 #32 by Bluedevil
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nobbyblue wrote:

newcarlislefan wrote: I think it's fair to say that things haven't improved,
But given the 6 months it took to replace a manager the board knew was leaving and the lack of any substantive pre-season it's no surprise really.
I actually thought some of the early home games were encouraging - Northampton, Port Vale, 1st hour against Tranmere - and that we were in for a real rollercoaster ride.
Unfortunately it's not really panned out like that at home and it's mainly, I think, because of the quality in the attacking third.
How many times have we come away from BP scratching our heads and muttering about fluency, incision, goal threat or attacking prowess.
Poor old Jon Colman must be sick and tired of writing about not being clinical enough or lacking quality up top. The factual nature of the match reports are almost writing themselves of late.
I'm very lucky being able to get to most away games so have been richly rewarded with some great away days.
I think if you mainly see the home games then it is not easy to be positive.
Despite the pessimism caused by the home form and loss of Nadesan there are a few things on the horizon to give hope.
We should be able to get 2 fullbacks in January then we could see the best of Yates and Sowerby playing in their best positions further forward.
Danny and Parkes and Kennedy should be back then that'll make a huge difference and McCarron can only get better.
The biggest sadness for me is with Nadesan.
Not only is he our key attacker, but finacially, if the money could be found for him, he'd turn the club a tidy profit.
Have a good year or 18 months with us, continue to develop as he has done and the club could double their money whilst he hits 15 or 20 goals a season.
We're not going to make any money from loan signings.


All this about arriving late and having no pre season isn't quite right. It was just the usual warm up games (not great I'll admit) and Sheridan's decision to go holiday for three weeks when he arrived was his I would guess!


Its obvious you don't like Sheridan Nobby, but I think you are being totally unfair. Sheridan may not be perfect, and I especially don't like the way he seems to lambast the players in public, however 11th in the league with the paper thin squad he's got is not to be sniffed at. Like NCF says were not going to get into the play-offs, unless all the injuries clear up from now till the end of the season, so mid table this season in my opinion is progress (of some sorts).
At the end of the day you can only pee with the tackle you have.

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04 Dec 2018 11:16 #33 by Bluedevil
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nobbyblue wrote: Not filling the bench is just Sheridan trying to make a point. There was no reason a young player couldn't have made up the numbers.

As for comparing the two. In his last 14 league games we lost 1. In Sheridans last 14 we've lost 7. :)


I take you've forgotten that in the entire 2017 Calendar year we only won 4 home league games???
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04 Dec 2018 13:35 - 04 Dec 2018 13:36 #34 by nobbyblue
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Granted we had a horrendous run in the second half of 2016-17 but we still made the play-offs ( I think we actually won 5 home games in 2017).

Take 2018 where we have played 20 home games - ten each for Keith and Shez:

Curle P10 W4 D5 L1 - 17 points.
Sheridan P10 W 3 D1 L6 - 10 points.

I'm no mathemetician but I know which looks better to me. :-D
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04 Dec 2018 13:43 #35 by Waltero
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Doesn't matter what stats you put up Nobby the Curle haters will bury their heads in the sand{like the BOD] and still not look at the real problem. I am and will still believe that Curle was a better manager than Sheridan
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04 Dec 2018 14:22 #36 by Dancingbear
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Waltero wrote: Doesn't matter what stats you put up Nobby the Curle haters will bury their heads in the sand{like the BOD] and still not look at the real problem. I am and will still believe that Curle was a better manager than Sheridan


The stats show we’ve got roughly the same amount of points as we had at a similar stage last season whilst we’ve been told this seasons manager has had a lot less to spend. The home form is shit but the away form is good. The board are still clueless. Those are the hard facts regardless of who the manager is or was and whether anyone loves or hates anyone.

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04 Dec 2018 14:52 #37 by Croydonblue
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all that tells you Nobby is that Curle was better at home so Sheridan must be better away th have a masses a similar points total.
just to remind every one Curle has never had promotion whereas Sheridan has.

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04 Dec 2018 16:28 #38 by sussexrob
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Cannot for the life of me see the point in trying to compare Curle with Sheridan?? Personally I will just say that in my honest opinion they are both not very good, certainly never seen a great deal of motivation from either of them. I also disagree with some on here about Sheridan giving the players stick in public, I do not see a problem with this, they are adults after all and should be able to take the flak thrown at them, whether its in the dressing room or out in the public domain. To be fair all of the criticism I have seen has been warranted.
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04 Dec 2018 17:42 #39 by Croydonblue
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at least Sheridan tells it how he sees it and doesn't talk nonsense in riddles repeated endlessly when interviews. "earn the right to play " being the classic regurgitated endlessly by KC.
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04 Dec 2018 18:29 #40 by CCU
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One of my mates from Northampton commented to me the other day that “Curle likes repeating certain phrases in interviews” :)

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04 Dec 2018 19:34 #41 by deeksme
Replied by deeksme on topic Is it better post-Curle?
Curle had to clear up the mess from two previous lunatic managers, and took over with us on 2 points I think, with a ludicrously unbalanced squad. I remember losing at Shrewsbury after Kav left (it was only by one, but it was only one at Boston in August 2003 too and that was equally shambolic and desperate, just before Roddy got the shove) and thinking on the way home that we were doomed.
Curle turned us round that season really well. The attitude at Shrewsbury in defeat, which seemed uncaring and even arrogant (joint acting manager Thirlwell disgracefully getting sent off for dissent when we needed cool, experienced heads) contrasted sharply with an equally tough away game, at Burton, when the players ran themselves into the ground, desperately trying to get a result. Curle did really well to shift on the deadwood like Marrow, Kearns, Thirlwell and others (like that fat lad who helped take Hartlepool down); and despite the sale of the best two young players in recent times, the best striker in the division being flogged on deadline day, awful injuries to creative/goalscoring midfielders, and catastrophic floods, he steadied the ship, got 2 mid table finishes, some excitement and performances to be proud of in the cups, and a narrow playoff defeat. He also seemed to be pleased and proud to manage us, talked the club and fans up, and represented the club well. He also left the basis of a decent squad behind.
It's different now. Curle clearly had his faults; Sheridan does too. But the latter deserves the chance to mould a squad and get results in a difficult season. Both of them were/are coping with unrest on the terraces, a useless Chariman, and a complete lack of ambition throughout the off-field operation.
Given the circumstances, if we finish in the top half, and aren't too far off the playoffs, I think Sheridan can be said to have done a good job. He deserves time, and support.
Meanwhile Curle deserves to be respected, not have people (especially incompetents like Holdworth) slag him off needlessly. I've been watching Carlisle since 1985 and I can think of at least 10 managers who were worse than him.
Hopefully Sheridan can be a success and people will stop being sly about the previous boss. The decent, intelligent people on here have already done this thankfully.
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04 Dec 2018 21:09 #42 by Profpieman
Replied by Profpieman on topic Is it better post-Curle?

CCU wrote: One of my mates from Northampton commented to me the other day that “Curle likes repeating certain phrases in interviews” :)


And Im sure you've already spread your anti curle crap to him like you did all the time on Twitter and here.
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04 Dec 2018 22:01 #43 by CCU
Replied by CCU on topic Is it better post-Curle?

Profpieman wrote:

CCU wrote: One of my mates from Northampton commented to me the other day that “Curle likes repeating certain phrases in interviews” :)


And Im sure you've already spread your anti curle crap to him like you did all the time on Twitter and here.


Nope, wished them good luck as they’ll need it...

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04 Dec 2018 22:27 #44 by cousinscotty
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CCU wrote:

Profpieman wrote:

CCU wrote: One of my mates from Northampton commented to me the other day that “Curle likes repeating certain phrases in interviews” :)


And Im sure you've already spread your anti curle crap to him like you did all the time on Twitter and here.


Nope, wished them good luck as they’ll need it...


Cobblers!

[Sorry - couldn't resist!]
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