Ballon d'Or incident

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07 Dec 2018 13:51 #1 by Bumble
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I was chatting with some one this morning who could see absolutely nothing wrong when the compere, Martin Solveig, asked Ada Hegerberg to twerk when she came up to accept her award. He felt it was just a bit of fun and women were making far too much of it. Being snowflakes was his term (I so hate that expression).

I honestly thought in Britain we had mostly moved on, at least in public, from showing such disrespect. Maybe I'm wrong, what do folks on here think?

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07 Dec 2018 13:59 #2 by CCU
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Solveig had already shared a joke on stage with Kylian Mbappe earlier about dancing.

He was clearly just continuing on this theme, but obviously offended some with his choice of words etc...

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07 Dec 2018 14:14 #3 by Bumble
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Possibly there was an "In" joke there, that Kylian Mbappe got because he's French, but even so surely Solveig knew he was dealing with an international audience.

I just saw Modric getting absolute respect for winning his award (as he should but probarbly a more contraversial choice), where Ada Hegerberg was treated as a joke, but handled the situation very well.

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07 Dec 2018 14:35 #4 by Dancingbear
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Cant do owt anymore.


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07 Dec 2018 14:38 - 07 Dec 2018 14:38 #5 by nobbyblue
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A bit off topic and I may be a bit controversial here but Women's Football in the UK gets far more coverage than it merits. No one is really interested in it as a spectator sport as the attendances for most of the top flight games confirm.
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07 Dec 2018 15:14 #6 by deepfathom
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A male Labour MP (Barry Sheerman) accused Andrea Leadsom of 'flouncing' in Parliament the other day. His daughter told him off and he had to privately and publicly apologise. I think the comment sailed right over Andrea Leadsom's head until Sheerman had to apologise for it. I didn't know that 'flounce' was a sexist comment against women. I thought it could be applied to both (er... all...) sexes equally.

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07 Dec 2018 15:23 #7 by OsloBlue
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As CCU says, was part of some ongoing poor quality dance based banter that, when taken out of context, does look really bad.

If he'd asked her to Macarena (or if he'd done his research on Norwegian folk dancing and asked her to kick a hat off a stick) no one would've noticed.

Hegerberg herself accepted his apology and downplayed the whole thing. Interestingly the press coverage over here and mainly focused on either the fact that she won or the massive reaction on social media, rather than the twerk comment itself. If only the UK press was quite so level headed.

Most of the angry squad on here would probably think of me as a snowflake as I do agree that sexism in sport, and wider society, is a big problem. However think Frenchie was just a bit unlucky here in that he choice the wrong dance and the moment could be perfectly packaged into a 10 second clip perfect for going viral.

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07 Dec 2018 16:56 - 07 Dec 2018 17:00 #8 by musher441
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Bumble wrote: I was chatting with some one this morning who could see absolutely nothing wrong when the compere, Martin Solveig, asked Ada Hegerberg to twerk when she came up to accept her award. He felt it was just a bit of fun and women were making far too much of it. Being snowflakes was his term (I so hate that expression).

I honestly thought in Britain we had mostly moved on, at least in public, from showing such disrespect. Maybe I'm wrong, what do folks on here think?


I agree with the person you were talking to -
Snowflakes.
People just can't wait to be offended by stuff nowadays.
Im convinced some people just go through life desperately searching for the next drama to consume them.
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07 Dec 2018 17:20 - 07 Dec 2018 18:31 #9 by seesaw50
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Worst thing I've ever heard was at the Morcambe game last year...standing behind the goal with our fans, we're kicking towards us, not sure who got pulled down now, but just outside the box and the ref gives us nothing! Well groomed lad right behind me says " he wants raped". I honestly was shocked AND offended. I gave him a long stare but said nothing! I regret that.

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07 Dec 2018 17:23 #10 by Bumble
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I don't think I was offended, more disappointed and annoyed that some one should think that rather than asking Hegerberg about her best game or best goal of the season the compere thought it would be funny to ask her to twerk.

If there was a joke there I totally missed it, but winning such a prestigous award, I really didn't feel it was the right time for jokes, more for respect for the achievement. You wouldn't really expect the winner of Sports Personality of the Year being asked to twerk, it's more a time for respect, even if you're not really a fan of the sport.

I really don't understand the term snowflake, to me it should describe some one who says nothing, melts away, doesn't dare say anything, rather than some one who says that's not right, knowing they have stuck their head over the parapet.

Good to hear both sides of a discussion though.

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07 Dec 2018 17:41 #11 by Markovitch
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But we still have columnists like Rod Liddle suggesting that successful black women are only successful because of their skin!

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/kate-osam...fcf6e4b0844cda502bd3

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07 Dec 2018 19:32 #12 by Willy
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He said that about Kate Osamor and her baroness mother, not about successful black women in general.

If you deny 'positive discrimination' exists you need a reality check.
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07 Dec 2018 20:11 #13 by ParcelPete
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I thought that was a song by Wizzard.

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07 Dec 2018 20:42 #14 by Markovitch
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Willy wrote: He said that about Kate Osamor and her baroness mother, not about successful black women in general.

If you deny 'positive discrimination' exists you need a reality check.


So accusing specific black women of being successful just because they are black is not racist? I hadn't realised that. So if you just throw bananas at one black footballer that is ok? It's only if you airlift them in and throw them at all black players it becomes racism? They don't make that clear on the leaflets do they? FFS

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07 Dec 2018 21:22 #15 by 182blue
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I think it’s an example of someone trying to make a joke that was ill-judged and cringeworthy, but nothing more.
Remember BBC Sports Personality many years ago used to be considered very stuffy, so they tried to jazz it up a bit and have more ‘banter’.
I remember Gary Lineker made a joke about Dion Dublin having a big cock, not that long ago and it was another cringe moment.
These days the BBC is very ‘right on’ about representing disabled sports and also covers women’s sports that were barely mentioned previously, such as cricket and rugby.
I don’t mind that at all, as we can all understand that a lot of sports coverage has been very male orientated in the past.
It’s just seems a bit wrong to me that some throwaway remark got more attention than the award itself.

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07 Dec 2018 21:59 #16 by cousinscotty
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I wonder if snowflakes object to the word snowmen...

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07 Dec 2018 22:19 #17 by Markovitch
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Rod Liddle has been censured many, many times, extremists should blow themselves up in Tower Hamlets away from the rest of us, the Welsh can't talk properly. He holds the record for having the first blog censured by the Press Complaints Commission. When your incontinent old uncle shouts darkies it's unfortunate and unavoidable, when newspaper columnists like Boris Johnson and Liddle do it, it is cringeworthy, uneducated, bile that should be beneath us. The man is a cretin

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08 Dec 2018 00:30 #18 by Willy
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Markovitch wrote: So accusing specific black women of being successful just because they are black is not racist? I hadn't realised that.


I realised you hadn't figured it out very well.

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08 Dec 2018 07:53 #19 by Markovitch
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You were bound to figure something out eventually I suppose.

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