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07 Jan 2019 18:57 #51 by orfc
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newcarlislefan wrote: Let's hope this isn't true

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If it is or isn't, it's still a bit dodgy the efl official Twitter account flinging those kinds of rumours about isn t it?

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07 Jan 2019 19:06 #52 by CCU
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orfc wrote:

newcarlislefan wrote: Let's hope this isn't true

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If it is or isn't, it's still a bit dodgy the efl official Twitter account flinging those kinds of rumours about isn t it?


It’s anything but an Official Account...

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07 Jan 2019 19:34 #53 by orfc
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ah right, I'm confused by all this new fangled twitters and their mp3's

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07 Jan 2019 19:48 #54 by CCU
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orfc wrote: ah right, I'm confused by all this new fangled twitters and their mp3's


A Blue Tick after a Username indicates ‘Official’ Accounts that Twitter have verified...

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07 Jan 2019 20:17 #55 by Croydonblue
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Southernblue wrote: One moving out of league 2, see Cole Stockton has joined Wrexham on loan from Tranmere


That lad needs to get down the Royal Mail asap


No point going there if he can't deliver.

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07 Jan 2019 21:33 #56 by seesaw50
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08 Jan 2019 17:22 #57 by bejustandfearprokas
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Notts county sign James O’Brien. Could be a good signing that.

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08 Jan 2019 23:09 #58 by Markovitch
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I read somewhere that Gerrard had a big falling out with Walsall. His wife was pregnant, his contract was up and he wanted a new deal that gave him a good chunk of time to be off with the family. Walsall refused so he ended up 6 months out the game. It was Sheridan who resigned him back at Oldham after his break

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11 Jan 2019 12:38 #59 by CCU
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Luke Armstrong gone to Accy:


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11 Jan 2019 13:56 #60 by PaddockRanger
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CCU wrote: Luke Armstrong gone to Accy:



Wrong league pal.

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11 Jan 2019 14:19 #61 by Mush
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There's been talk he'd be signing for us hence Dan's post pal.
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11 Jan 2019 17:20 - 11 Jan 2019 17:31 #62 by crunchblue
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We’re a third of the way through the transfer windo and we’ve lost 3 players and brought in 1.

A long way to go but so far it looks that despite our healthy league position we’re continuing our annual tradition of weakening the squad in January.

Holdsworth needs to turn it round over the next few weeks.
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11 Jan 2019 17:24 #63 by munchymagic
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crunchblue wrote: We’re a third of the way through the transfer and we’ve lost 3 players and brought in 1.

A long way to go but so far it looks that despite our healthy league position we’re continuing our annual tradition of weakening the squad in January.

Holdsworth needs to turn it round over the next few weeks.


I am hacked off that we have a weakened squad for tomorrows game.

Holdsworth must have noticed that we are no longer paying two players wages so there was no excuse not to bring in players this week.

Does he want us to stop winning or something?
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11 Jan 2019 18:23 #64 by pacirv
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It is disappointing that all we've got in is a19 year old unproven at this level. Was really hoping for at least one more this week. All the good work could be undone if we don't bolster the squad soon.
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11 Jan 2019 18:29 - 11 Jan 2019 18:31 #65 by munchymagic
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pacirv wrote: It is disappointing that all we've got in is a19 year old unproven at this level. Was really hoping for at least one more this week. All the good work could be undone if we don't bolster the squad soon.


It is a disgrace as Holdsworth knew these players were going out as they are not ours and made little effort in replacing them - he basically knew in August when their deals expired and sat on his fat arse doing nothing?!?

Not good enough, he will probably blame Sheridan for walking out and Curle for the previous 'mess' whilst distancing himself from any blame.

Even if he does lick his paws with some fantastic signings - it will be EWM that allowed it and not him.

We have all worked with this sort of character in our lives at one time or another - usually wondering how he is still in a job but then we realise that he is up the boss's arse :)
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11 Jan 2019 20:35 #66 by PaddockRanger
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Matt Crooks has got a move to Rotherham.

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11 Jan 2019 23:16 #67 by CCU
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12 Jan 2019 09:38 - 12 Jan 2019 09:42 #68 by Markovitch
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pacirv wrote: It is disappointing that all we've got in is a19 year old unproven at this level. Was really hoping for at least one more this week. All the good work could be undone if we don't bolster the squad soon.


It is a disgrace as Holdsworth knew these players were going out as they are not ours and made little effort in replacing them - he basically knew in August when their deals expired and sat on his fat arse doing nothing?!?

Not good enough, he will probably blame Sheridan for walking out and Curle for the previous 'mess' whilst distancing himself from any blame.

Even if he does lick his paws with some fantastic signings - it will be EWM that allowed it and not him.

We have all worked with this sort of character in our lives at one time or another - usually wondering how he is still in a job but then we realise that he is up the boss's arse :)


Wee bit harsh there Much, he hasn't blamed anyone for anything, I very much doubt Philip Day is choosing our players, I can't imagine why you would conclude they are not working hard to scout players and so far nothing has gone wrong at all!
He obviously knew Nadesan was going but I doubt he guessed about Yates, who may still come back. Campbell, fair enough but he is not getting his game. When Nadesan came he was unproven and Yates looked terrible on paper. Chris Lumsdon told us the one to look out for was Regan Slater who hasn't exactly set the world alight- so the process is horribly unpredictable. Why don't we have a wee bit of faith and see what happens over the next 3 weeks? Hopefully, the new lad will be good, Yates will come back and we'll bring a couple more in. Got to be better than rushing and signing donkeys like Proctor and Waring.

Disappointed though that we weren't in for Waters from Northampton. Andy Watson type player, quick, skilful and can finish. He would have fitted perfectly into our system
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12 Jan 2019 10:27 #69 by Waltero
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Your'e starting to come across as a bit of an apologist for Holdsworth Marko, in my book he's nothing more than a 2nd hand car salesman, toeing the party line
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12 Jan 2019 10:53 #70 by griff
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I think what these last few posts demonstrate is our common frustration at the glacial speed with which anything happens at CUFC. It’s been that way for yonks and must be a result of the management by committee attitude prevalent at BP. It is as though no one can make a decision without going through at least a couple of other people. How many players have we lost this way? On one level it’s a sensible way of keeping the ship off the rocks. On another it holds us back. The result is fans’ frustration.
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12 Jan 2019 10:58 #71 by ParcelPete
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Haven't heard the word yonks for yonks.

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12 Jan 2019 11:10 #72 by CCU
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More confirmed deals:

CAMBRIDGE:
Rushian Hepburn-Murphy - Aston Villa - Loan

CARLISLE:
Connor Simpson - Preston - Loan

CRAWLEY:
Tom Dallinson - Falkirk

CHELTENHAM:
Tyrone Barnett - Port Vale
Billy Waters - Northampton - Loan

GRIMSBY:
Ludvig Ohman - IF Brommapojkarna
Luke Hendrie - Shrewsbury

MACCLESFIELD:
Enoch Andoh - Unattached
Adam Dawson - Unattached

MANSFIELD:
Jordan Smith - Nottm Forest - Loan

MORECAMBE:
Ritchie Sutton - Tranmere

NORTHAMPTON:
George Cox - Brighton - Loan

NOTTS CO:
Jim O’Brien - Bradford
Ryan Schofield - Huddersfield - Loan

STEVENAGE:
Moses Makasi - West Ham - Loan

SWINDON:
Ali Koiki - Burnley - Loan

TRANMERE:
Ishmael Miller - Oldham
Harvey Gilmour - Sheff Utd

YEOVIL:
Alex Dobre - Bournemouth - Loan
Josh Grant - Chelsea - Loan

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12 Jan 2019 11:26 #73 by nobbyblue
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Nobody outstanding among those signings apart from maybe Mansfield have signed a decent goalie.
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12 Jan 2019 11:37 #74 by carwash
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There's been a lot of chat about Newcastle United now putting their youngsters out on loan following their exit from the C***atrade trophy. If we could get Cal Roberts or Owen Bailey to play in a midfield role then it would be a major coup. For once geography might be in our favour.

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12 Jan 2019 11:50 - 12 Jan 2019 11:51 #75 by Markovitch
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Waltero wrote: Your'e starting to come across as a bit of an apologist for Holdsworth Marko, in my book he's nothing more than a 2nd hand car salesman, toeing the party line


He can be a second-hand dildo salesman for all I care Walt. The overall quality of some of the new players is better than we had previously- Sowerby, Yates. Existing players who were on these incentivized contracts we keep hearing so much about are playing better than ever- Devitt, Grainger, Liddle. The losses have been reduced, so we are now in a better position on and off the field than we were a year ago. The abysmal marketing department remains no worse.

My take is that Clibbins was brought in to create a strategy which included making the thing more commercially viable. Holdsworth was brought in to take contract negotiation away from the manager. Better players, better financials, who needs to apologise?
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12 Jan 2019 17:41 #76 by franksidebottom
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pacirv wrote: It is disappointing that all we've got in is a19 year old unproven at this level. Was really hoping for at least one more this week. All the good work could be undone if we don't bolster the squad soon.


It is a disgrace as Holdsworth knew these players were going out as they are not ours and made little effort in replacing them - he basically knew in August when their deals expired and sat on his fat arse doing nothing?!?

Not good enough, he will probably blame Sheridan for walking out and Curle for the previous 'mess' whilst distancing himself from any blame.

Even if he does lick his paws with some fantastic signings - it will be EWM that allowed it and not him.

We have all worked with this sort of character in our lives at one time or another - usually wondering how he is still in a job but then we realise that he is up the boss's arse :)


How do you know Holdsworth’s been sat on his arse doing nothing? Perhaps he’s been trying but targets don’t want to come. Can you blame anyone for not wanting to come when we pay poor wages and haven’t got a manager? Think about it, would you sign for a club with no manager? Risk going and a new manager not fancying you.

He’s known when loan contracts are due to expire since August yes but all the signs were that for everyone apart from perhaps Nadesan this wouldn’t be a problem. It wasn’t long ago that we’d be quite happy sending most of our loanees back come January don’t forget. Yates was unexpectedly called back at very short notice so it’s not something which could have been easily planned for, Sowerby’s situation is still up in the air whilst Nadesan looks unlikely. To insinuate we should have made provisions for them going back to their clubs as long ago as August is ludicrous.

I’m all for criticising people at the club when it’s warranted, I’ve been one of the most vocal. However, some people just seem intent on criticising at every turn and are looking for reasons to do so.

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12 Jan 2019 17:48 - 12 Jan 2019 17:57 #77 by munchymagic
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franksidebottom wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

pacirv wrote: It is disappointing that all we've got in is a19 year old unproven at this level. Was really hoping for at least one more this week. All the good work could be undone if we don't bolster the squad soon.


It is a disgrace as Holdsworth knew these players were going out as they are not ours and made little effort in replacing them - he basically knew in August when their deals expired and sat on his fat arse doing nothing?!?

Not good enough, he will probably blame Sheridan for walking out and Curle for the previous 'mess' whilst distancing himself from any blame.

Even if he does lick his paws with some fantastic signings - it will be EWM that allowed it and not him.

We have all worked with this sort of character in our lives at one time or another - usually wondering how he is still in a job but then we realise that he is up the boss's arse :)


How do you know Holdsworth’s been sat on his arse doing nothing? Perhaps he’s been trying but targets don’t want to come. Can you blame anyone for not wanting to come when we pay poor wages and haven’t got a manager? Think about it, would you sign for a club with no manager? Risk going and a new manager not fancying you.

He’s known when loan contracts are due to expire since August yes but all the signs were that for everyone apart from perhaps Nadesan this wouldn’t be a problem. It wasn’t long ago that we’d be quite happy sending most of our loanees back come January don’t forget. Yates was unexpectedly called back at very short notice so it’s not something which could have been easily planned for, Sowerby’s situation is still up in the air whilst Nadesan looks unlikely. To insinuate we should have made provisions for them going back to their clubs as long ago as August is ludicrous.

I’m all for criticising people at the club when it’s warranted, I’ve been one of the most vocal. However, some people just seem intent on criticising at every turn and are looking for reasons to do so.


His job is to simply sign players, that is it!

If he hadn't got anyone lined up then it is him not doing his job as he doesn't do anything else but put up fixtures in the bogs....

If his job is to get value for money with contracts and he cannot get anyone in then it also says that his job is basically not needed.
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12 Jan 2019 20:01 #78 by Markovitch
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Let's not forget firstly that we are in the predicament we are in because so many of the loanees have played very well, significantly better than if we loaned them and they were mince. Secondly, the only one that seems certain not to return is Nadesan so talk of Yates and Sowerby is speculation. Thirdly it is the 12th of January, so talk that this window has passed, we've done nothing etc etc is also mince. We have time yet to replace players. Today was hugely disappointing but it is 1 game in a 46 game sequence, let's see where we are in 6 weeks
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12 Jan 2019 20:32 #79 by Waltero
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Cheltenham will be the test, fail that & we'll struggle unless your mate Holdsworth gets his finger out
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12 Jan 2019 20:34 #80 by franksidebottom
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munchymagic wrote:

franksidebottom wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

pacirv wrote: It is disappointing that all we've got in is a19 year old unproven at this level. Was really hoping for at least one more this week. All the good work could be undone if we don't bolster the squad soon.


It is a disgrace as Holdsworth knew these players were going out as they are not ours and made little effort in replacing them - he basically knew in August when their deals expired and sat on his fat arse doing nothing?!?

Not good enough, he will probably blame Sheridan for walking out and Curle for the previous 'mess' whilst distancing himself from any blame.

Even if he does lick his paws with some fantastic signings - it will be EWM that allowed it and not him.

We have all worked with this sort of character in our lives at one time or another - usually wondering how he is still in a job but then we realise that he is up the boss's arse :)


How do you know Holdsworth’s been sat on his arse doing nothing? Perhaps he’s been trying but targets don’t want to come. Can you blame anyone for not wanting to come when we pay poor wages and haven’t got a manager? Think about it, would you sign for a club with no manager? Risk going and a new manager not fancying you.

He’s known when loan contracts are due to expire since August yes but all the signs were that for everyone apart from perhaps Nadesan this wouldn’t be a problem. It wasn’t long ago that we’d be quite happy sending most of our loanees back come January don’t forget. Yates was unexpectedly called back at very short notice so it’s not something which could have been easily planned for, Sowerby’s situation is still up in the air whilst Nadesan looks unlikely. To insinuate we should have made provisions for them going back to their clubs as long ago as August is ludicrous.

I’m all for criticising people at the club when it’s warranted, I’ve been one of the most vocal. However, some people just seem intent on criticising at every turn and are looking for reasons to do so.


His job is to simply sign players, that is it!

If he hadn't got anyone lined up then it is him not doing his job as he doesn't do anything else but put up fixtures in the bogs....

If his job is to get value for money with contracts and he cannot get anyone in then it also says that his job is basically not needed.


Any club with no manager will struggle to sign players, hence why it’s imperative we get that situation resolved. I’d imagine any player will look at 3 factors when deciding whether to move clubs. Where’s Carlisle? Who’s the manager? What they offering financially? None of these are currently very appealing.

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12 Jan 2019 20:44 #81 by Croydonblue
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The fact remains we are in this predicament due to the manifestation of mismanagement over the last ten year's. They got lucky with Sheridan in the sense that he started to get a tune out of the players een though some snowflake players did not like being called out.

New manager and player investment needed NOW.
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Markovitch wrote: Let's not forget firstly that we are in the predicament we are in because so many of the loanees have played very well, significantly better than if we loaned them and they were mince. Secondly, the only one that seems certain not to return is Nadesan so talk of Yates and Sowerby is speculation. Thirdly it is the 12th of January, so talk that this window has passed, we've done nothing etc etc is also mince. We have time yet to replace players. Today was hugely disappointing but it is 1 game in a 46 game sequence, let's see where we are in 6 weeks



So you are suggesting that being reactive to these players departure is a better plan than being more proactive about the situation? Strange? I thought you'd be smarter than that? We have time you say? but we also have games to play, games we need to take points from if we have any genuine ambition of a promotion push. You surely arent saying we should just dither about, letting opportunities to pick up points potentially slip away? I agree, we didn't know at the start how these loan lads would fare but we've seen a big leap from around a month ago, we needed to be getting our "ducks in a row" ready for when the window opened, I would say it's fairly clear we didn't.

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12 Jan 2019 22:21 #83 by munchymagic
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Bruntonpasty wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Let's not forget firstly that we are in the predicament we are in because so many of the loanees have played very well, significantly better than if we loaned them and they were mince. Secondly, the only one that seems certain not to return is Nadesan so talk of Yates and Sowerby is speculation. Thirdly it is the 12th of January, so talk that this window has passed, we've done nothing etc etc is also mince. We have time yet to replace players. Today was hugely disappointing but it is 1 game in a 46 game sequence, let's see where we are in 6 weeks



So you are suggesting that being reactive to these players departure is a better plan than being more proactive about the situation? Strange? I thought you'd be smarter than that? We have time you say? but we also have games to play, games we need to take points from if we have any genuine ambition of a promotion push. You surely arent saying we should just dither about, letting opportunities to pick up points potentially slip away? I agree, we didn't know at the start how these loan lads would fare but we've seen a big leap from around a month ago, we needed to be getting our "ducks in a row" ready for when the window opened, I would say it's fairly clear we didn't.


That is the frustrating thing - we employ someone to just do that!!

Barton stated that he didn't want to sell Nadesan so what does Holdsworth do - go and get someone with no previous league experience in the same mould of Bennett to replace him and he played shit.

Paying tuppence ha’penny for players is fine if they complement the quality that you already have but Holdsworth will be found out once the quality that Curle brought in leave.

The question should have been asked to the parent clubs early and take it from there - Holdsworth was probably having an afternoon 'kip' at the time though.

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13 Jan 2019 07:07 #84 by franksidebottom
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Like I’ve said munchy, the fact we currently have no manager is more likely to be the reason for lack of signings rather than Holdsworth being sat on his arse or having a kip.

A lot of your fury is based on conjecture and anger towards the club in general. Who’s to say Holdsworth didn’t have signings lined up but the fact Sheridan’s gone and those new signings don’t know who’s going to be the man to manage them for the next 6 months, 12 months or 18 months they’ve decided to hold fire or change their mind? I’ll say it again, not many clubs sign players with no manager in place.

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13 Jan 2019 08:44 #85 by Markovitch
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Bruntonpasty wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Let's not forget firstly that we are in the predicament we are in because so many of the loanees have played very well, significantly better than if we loaned them and they were mince. Secondly, the only one that seems certain not to return is Nadesan so talk of Yates and Sowerby is speculation. Thirdly it is the 12th of January, so talk that this window has passed, we've done nothing etc etc is also mince. We have time yet to replace players. Today was hugely disappointing but it is 1 game in a 46 game sequence, let's see where we are in 6 weeks



So you are suggesting that being reactive to these players departure is a better plan than being more proactive about the situation? Strange? I thought you'd be smarter than that? We have time you say? but we also have games to play, games we need to take points from if we have any genuine ambition of a promotion push. You surely arent saying we should just dither about, letting opportunities to pick up points potentially slip away? I agree, we didn't know at the start how these loan lads would fare but we've seen a big leap from around a month ago, we needed to be getting our "ducks in a row" ready for when the window opened, I would say it's fairly clear we didn't.


So we should have signed half a dozen players anyway? All to come in on 1 January? Despite not knowing what positions we might need? All with no budget? Give them a few days to get organised

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13 Jan 2019 08:45 #86 by seesaw50
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pacirv wrote: It is disappointing that all we've got in is a19 year old unproven at this level. Was really hoping for at least one more this week. All the good work could be undone if we don't bolster the squad soon.


But do we not think they're hanging out for Nadesan and Yates.....That might change this next week ,especially on Nadesan.. Not sure how many games Ched Evans is banned for. Still over 2weeks left in the window

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13 Jan 2019 08:55 #87 by nobbyblue
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Croydonblue wrote: The fact remains we are in this predicament due to the manifestation of mismanagement over the last ten year's. They got lucky with Sheridan in the sense that he started to get a tune out of the players een though some snowflake players did not like being called out.

New manager and player investment needed NOW.
ALso I no longer accept the "location factor", it is just over 3 hours from London by train now days, it takes me longer to get to Plymouth. So travelling from the Midlands or Lancashire should not be an obstacle to a proper professional footballer. Jabo commuted for two seasons without it being an issue and was often on the same train as me after a game.


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13 Jan 2019 09:18 - 13 Jan 2019 09:19 #88 by nobbyblue
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I dont think Holdsworth is identifying the players just doing the deals. Certainly Gerrard, Sowerby, Miller, Nadesan, Campbell and Glendon would be Sheridans signings. Not sure about Yates, Slater and Fryer and Gillesphey was already known.
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13 Jan 2019 09:26 - 13 Jan 2019 09:28 #89 by Bruntonpasty
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Markovitch wrote:

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Markovitch wrote: Let's not forget firstly that we are in the predicament we are in because so many of the loanees have played very well, significantly better than if we loaned them and they were mince. Secondly, the only one that seems certain not to return is Nadesan so talk of Yates and Sowerby is speculation. Thirdly it is the 12th of January, so talk that this window has passed, we've done nothing etc etc is also mince. We have time yet to replace players. Today was hugely disappointing but it is 1 game in a 46 game sequence, let's see where we are in 6 weeks



So you are suggesting that being reactive to these players departure is a better plan than being more proactive about the situation? Strange? I thought you'd be smarter than that? We have time you say? but we also have games to play, games we need to take points from if we have any genuine ambition of a promotion push. You surely arent saying we should just dither about, letting opportunities to pick up points potentially slip away? I agree, we didn't know at the start how these loan lads would fare but we've seen a big leap from around a month ago, we needed to be getting our "ducks in a row" ready for when the window opened, I would say it's fairly clear we didn't.


So we should have signed half a dozen players anyway? All to come in on 1 January? Despite not knowing what positions we might need? All with no budget? Give them a few days to get organised



Never said we should be splashing loads of money on anyone. The point I'm making, which you clearly want to avoid accepting, is that the organisation you suggest should have been done last month. The loan end dates were clearly known, the club should have been looking for some clarification as to whether loans would be extended, some certainty on the matter, then decisions could be made to go after alternative targets early in the window rather than at the end when we could be looking over the scraps. What have we done? Signed an inexperienced youngster, who could be brilliant or, as you would put it, could be mince. The Loanees we have/had are at least more experienced, will these be replaced with similar? or will we just try more inexperienced youngsters in hope? Like I've said recently, where we are league wise is surprising and encouraging but if we genuinely have ambitions of getting out of this league, now is the time for the BOD/EWM to demonstrate that .

Who's doing the scouting now?

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13 Jan 2019 10:00 #90 by Markovitch
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But it was only last month that Sheridan was confident that they would all be staying. He didn't have a crystal ball and know that on 28 December several Rotherham forwards would simultaneously get injured. Assuming he has scouted several players what do you want him to do? Call on 15/12 and say, we don't actually need you but just in case can you be ready? Who is interested in that? Now TW knows what he needs he can start making calls but there is a wee bit more to it than just can you be in Northampton with your boots tomorrow. And there is still some chat that Yates and Nadesan could be coming back. What if we are in for Nadesan? Do you think Holdsworth would be trumpeting that from every roof? Maybe Barton has played Nadesan just to show us that we can't just pick him up for nothing, playing for Fleetwood and then us competing with other clubs in the summer is an option. What if Sheridan and Curle are in for Glendon, Miller, and Jones? Better to wait a fortnight, get some cash then bring in some quality. Give him a wee bit of time. The job of identifying players in budget is Tommy's currently, let's see how he gets on before we convict
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13 Jan 2019 10:23 #91 by pacirv
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Your right Marko but until we get the players we need we will be dropping points as shown yesterday, we’ve also leaked 5 goals in the last two games. It also underlines the weakness in relying on loan players especially up front no team can afford to lose their main threats and not struggle.

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13 Jan 2019 10:40 #92 by Lakelandterrier
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Markovitch wrote:

Bruntonpasty wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Let's not forget firstly that we are in the predicament we are in because so many of the loanees have played very well, significantly better than if we loaned them and they were mince. Secondly, the only one that seems certain not to return is Nadesan so talk of Yates and Sowerby is speculation. Thirdly it is the 12th of January, so talk that this window has passed, we've done nothing etc etc is also mince. We have time yet to replace players. Today was hugely disappointing but it is 1 game in a 46 game sequence, let's see where we are in 6 weeks



So you are suggesting that being reactive to these players departure is a better plan than being more proactive about the situation? Strange? I thought you'd be smarter than that? We have time you say? but we also have games to play, games we need to take points from if we have any genuine ambition of a promotion push. You surely arent saying we should just dither about, letting opportunities to pick up points potentially slip away? I agree, we didn't know at the start how these loan lads would fare but we've seen a big leap from around a month ago, we needed to be getting our "ducks in a row" ready for when the window opened, I would say it's fairly clear we didn't.


So we should have signed half a dozen players anyway? All to come in on 1 January? Despite not knowing what positions we might need? All with no budget? Give them a few days to get organised



Marko, we are told by Mr Holdsworth that we have players identified and its in hand. But, if its in hand and prepared why have we only signed a young boy from Preston? Because its cheap.
A recurring theme from the people running the club - EWM.
If its in hand and they are organised why only one signed?
Its groundhog day - thats the regime we have. Multi millionaires and Billionaire owned company on the board and we have no money to invest in anything at all.

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13 Jan 2019 11:23 #93 by Dancingbear
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Maybe it’s just me but if there’s a realistic chance of getting Yates and possibly Nadesan back then I’d rather wait a couple of weeks than just sign anyone to make numbers up. In fact you could say Simpson has come in to replace one of them.

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13 Jan 2019 11:34 #94 by crunchblue
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If fleetwood were considering selling Nadesan this month, surely they wouldn’t have played him, leaving more clubs to bid more money.

I think the chances of a Nadesan deal are gone, sadly.

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13 Jan 2019 11:40 #95 by Dancingbear
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I agree so Simpson has prob come in for him unless Bennett moves on. Therefore there’s only Yates so if they really think he’s coming back I can’t see another forward coming in before that’s decided.

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13 Jan 2019 11:42 #96 by Markovitch
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pacirv wrote: Your right Marko but until we get the players we need we will be dropping points as shown yesterday, we’ve also leaked 5 goals in the last two games. It also underlines the weakness in relying on loan players especially up front no team can afford to lose their main threats and not struggle.

Totally agree but Pasty as a self-employed builder knows better than anyone that seamless moves from one job to another rarely happen and there can be a multitude of reasons for delays. We are talking about 2 weeks. Remember the crap with Wyke? And while Holdsworth is responsible for contracts (?) it isn't a 2-minute discussion. Give him a wee bit time yet, unreasonable to think we would have 3 in, 3 out at midnight before the bells died down

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13 Jan 2019 12:12 #97 by Bruntonpasty
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Well Marko, time will tell! My prediction is, that in all likelihood, we will have one if any of the three back by the time all windows close. Their replacements are most likely to be inexperienced youngsters like Simpson , cheap and very unproven because we will be too late or too tight to pay for more experience. Happy to have you tell me how wrong I was when they all end up back at BP. I'll be very happy if they are, I want our team to be successful, I want the club to be successful, I just don't share your faith in the current regimes ambition for this season.

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13 Jan 2019 12:55 #98 by Croydonblue
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Jabo still did it for two seasons
and didn't belly ache about it.
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13 Jan 2019 13:23 #99 by PaddockRanger
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Croydonblue wrote: Jabo still did it for two seasons
and didn't belly ache about it.



only just......his baby girl being ill with meningitis in his 1st season with us kind of sealed his fate of wanting away once his contract was up.

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13 Jan 2019 13:47 #100 by franksidebottom
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Bruntonpasty wrote: Well Marko, time will tell! My prediction is, that in all likelihood, we will have one if any of the three back by the time all windows close. Their replacements are most likely to be inexperienced youngsters like Simpson , cheap and very unproven because we will be too late or too tight to pay for more experience. Happy to have you tell me how wrong I was when they all end up back at BP. I'll be very happy if they are, I want our team to be successful, I want the club to be successful, I just don't share your faith in the current regimes ambition for this season.


You mean like Nadesan, Yates and Sowerby were when they first joined?

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