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10 Jan 2019 07:51 #1 by Adj09
If we fail to bring back Yates or nadeson before the weekend then surely the lad is worth a punt. Surely he’s a like for like in that RW position albeit he is still very young but He looks lively when he comes on and is full of pace. Suits the style of play we have been playing recently and could be like a new signing if he hits the ground running!!

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10 Jan 2019 08:05 #2 by Markovitch
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Yes from me. Their left back is making his league debut, lets make it an uncomfortable one

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10 Jan 2019 08:24 #3 by nobbyblue
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They'll probably put Jones or Slater in and bolster the midfield.

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10 Jan 2019 08:26 #4 by bejustandfearprokas
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I was going to post the same question. Every time I’ve seen him, all be it for short periods, he’s been so direct and positive, against Morecambe at BP he beat their left back every single time.

We were told he helps out defensively too, but don’t think we’ve seen him when we’ve been under pressure from opposition.

From what we’ve seen, I’d say yes, but I suppose we still don’t know that much about him. Great to have a local prospect looking so promising!

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10 Jan 2019 08:41 - 10 Jan 2019 08:43 #5 by pedals
I would like to see him get more of a chance, but we've only seen him late on in games when the full-backs are tiring (with the exception of the Sunderland Checkatrade game) and for all his running, he only has an assist to his name, so it's difficult to guage how good he actually is. Obviously the coaching staff will have more of an idea. David Symington looked good when he first broke through and made cameo appearances late on in games. He was very direct and quick, like McCarron, had a great shot on him and scored something like 5 goals in that first season if I remember correctly. I remember there was pressure on Abbott to start him in games and he didn't until a Tuesday evening match (not sure who against) as a kind of "he isn't ready yet but this is what you all want" to prove people wrong for wanting him to start. We conceded really early on in that game due to a Symington mistake, he went back to making appearances off the bench, moved to RB under Kavanagh (*shudders*) and now plays non-league. So, it could go one of two ways with McCarron. He could genuinely be very good or he could be another Symington and look alright because of the circumstances. My feeling is that it might be a little bit of the latter currently and there's no need to rush him at the expense of some of the other options we have.
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10 Jan 2019 08:53 #6 by crunchblue
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From what I’ve seen he’s not ready to be a starter, but for one game if it means keeping the same formation/tactics then yes start him. I think next season with a good preseason behind and plenty of involvement with the first team he’ll be ready to become a regular.

Needs sorted this though, we look a good team at the moment with good balance in midfield, up front and wide areas. But it’s taken us nearly half a season to get to this stage. It would be a shame if we had to pretty much start again with different styles of players in the second half of the season.

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10 Jan 2019 10:37 #7 by seabird
We haven't got a lot of options for Saturday if we play the same system.We have the new lad but he is only 19 himself.
I would give Mcaarron a start ,see how it goes.

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10 Jan 2019 11:49 #8 by cufcmike

pedals wrote: I would like to see him get more of a chance, but we've only seen him late on in games when the full-backs are tiring (with the exception of the Sunderland Checkatrade game) and for all his running, he only has an assist to his name, so it's difficult to guage how good he actually is. Obviously the coaching staff will have more of an idea. David Symington looked good when he first broke through and made cameo appearances late on in games. He was very direct and quick, like McCarron, had a great shot on him and scored something like 5 goals in that first season if I remember correctly. I remember there was pressure on Abbott to start him in games and he didn't until a Tuesday evening match (not sure who against) as a kind of "he isn't ready yet but this is what you all want" to prove people wrong for wanting him to start. We conceded really early on in that game due to a Symington mistake, he went back to making appearances off the bench, moved to RB under Kavanagh (*shudders*) and now plays non-league. So, it could go one of two ways with McCarron. He could genuinely be very good or he could be another Symington and look alright because of the circumstances. My feeling is that it might be a little bit of the latter currently and there's no need to rush him at the expense of some of the other options we have.


I think Symington was good enough, certainly had a lot of potential. But sadly he thought he'd made it before he had. Poor management decisions with him too aided his decline. The game you mention where Abbott
he played him was either Scunthorpe away or Northampton away (I remember them wearing maroon!) And he did get shown up that night. It was clear he needed to beef up a bit. But if Abbott was so convinced he was going to fail, why play him? At least offer some support post match rather than basically just say he's not good enough. Young players often struggle when they break into the first team and can often go on to have amazing careers. It's not unheard of. Sadly the best way to learn is to make mistakes.
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10 Jan 2019 12:29 - 10 Jan 2019 12:31 #9 by Kaiser Blue
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Unless a forward signs before the weekend, I reckon Simpson will go up front and Hope will move out wide - although it would be great to see!
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10 Jan 2019 12:42 #10 by newcarlislefan
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It's a big ask for Simpson. It's a 3 division jump from where he's been playing so might be better from the bench, as with McCarron.
Bit easier as the game wears on with a bit more space, tired legs and mind etc.
Might be better off with either Slater into midfield or starting with Richie up top.

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10 Jan 2019 13:22 #11 by crunchblue
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Slater into midfield? Which one of the midfielders would you drop for him? I wouldn’t touch that midfield at the moment.

As for starting Bennett, I’d rather try the new lad. Can’t be any worse.

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10 Jan 2019 13:26 #12 by Markovitch
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Grainger on the left, Hope in the middle and McCarron on the right. If we don't give the kid a chance we'll never know. Preston lad on the bench with Campbell
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10 Jan 2019 13:34 #13 by Talisman

Markovitch wrote: Grainger on the left, Hope in the middle and McCarron on the right. If we don't give the kid a chance we'll never know. Preston lad on the bench with Campbell


Couldn't agree more - McCarron is the natural replacement for Nadesan (among the players available) so this would make sense in terms of continuing in the same vein.

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10 Jan 2019 13:58 #14 by triskelionblue
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I think Campbell went back to Morecambe

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10 Jan 2019 14:24 #15 by newcarlislefan
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crunchblue wrote: Slater into midfield? Which one of the midfielders would you drop for him? I wouldn’t touch that midfield at the moment.

As for starting Bennett, I’d rather try the new lad. Can’t be any worse.


Sorry, didn't mean dropping any midfielders but bring Slater in for Nadesan and push Devitt a bit further forward in that space between the MF and Hope.
Slater on the right of MF, Sowerby and Etuhu in the centre and Danny on the left.
Not sure about starting Simpson. Big step from the league he's been playing in.

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10 Jan 2019 14:29 #16 by nobbyblue
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triskelionblue wrote: I think Campbell went back to Morecambe


Aye he was an unused sub for them on Saturday.

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10 Jan 2019 15:11 #17 by cufcmike
Kennedy played a few games on the right wing under Curle. No idea where he is fitness wise but maybe a half each for him and McCarron?

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10 Jan 2019 15:26 #18 by Markovitch
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We aren't half short of players. Nadesan, Yates and Campbell gone. Tommy said 2 were coming in, need that second one

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10 Jan 2019 17:06 #19 by crunchblue
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I think whoever comes in for Nadesan needs to be able to play the same role as him so that we can keep this 4-3-3 system that's been working so well. I don't even like the idea of putting a target man type in the middle of the front 3 when we've been playing so well with a more mobile, pacy forward (Yates or Hope). That's why for this game I would start McCarron. Physically he won't be able to do as good a job as Nadesan did, but at least he's quick and it would mean the rest of the team can stay as it was.

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10 Jan 2019 18:22 #20 by The Archer
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crunchblue wrote: I think whoever comes in for Nadesan needs to be able to play the same role as him so that we can keep this 4-3-3 system that's been working so well. I don't even like the idea of putting a target man type in the middle of the front 3 when we've been playing so well with a more mobile, pacy forward (Yates or Hope). That's why for this game I would start McCarron. Physically he won't be able to do as good a job as Nadesan did, but at least he's quick and it would mean the rest of the team can stay as it was.


How quick is the new lad from Preston?

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10 Jan 2019 18:28 #21 by Happyblue
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cufcmike wrote: Kennedy played a few games on the right wing under Curle. No idea where he is fitness wise but maybe a half each for him and McCarron?

His cameo at Morecambe was just that , think we'll have to wait a while before we see him anywhere close to starting a game.

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10 Jan 2019 18:31 #22 by crunchblue
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The Archer wrote:

crunchblue wrote: I think whoever comes in for Nadesan needs to be able to play the same role as him so that we can keep this 4-3-3 system that's been working so well. I don't even like the idea of putting a target man type in the middle of the front 3 when we've been playing so well with a more mobile, pacy forward (Yates or Hope). That's why for this game I would start McCarron. Physically he won't be able to do as good a job as Nadesan did, but at least he's quick and it would mean the rest of the team can stay as it was.


How quick is the new lad from Preston?


“Not slow but not fast” according to a Hartlepool fan.

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10 Jan 2019 19:47 #23 by seesaw50
Let's hope he has more control than Bennett and can at least jump when he gets his chance

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10 Jan 2019 21:40 #24 by Mouldy
Sheridan used Sowerby on the right in his first couple of games didn’t he? Would imagine he’ll shift across. Would love to see McCarron start mind.

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10 Jan 2019 22:33 #25 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mouldy wrote: Sheridan used Sowerby on the right in his first couple of games didn’t he? Would imagine he’ll shift across. Would love to see McCarron start mind.


Thats what I was thinking combined with a chance for Jones to redeem himself under the new regime.

I.d say MacCarron and the new lad are more likely to be plans B and C from the bench Wonder if they.ve thought about offering Darren Kelly at Hyde a certain big lumbering lump to make up for the lad we.ve nicked from them.

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10 Jan 2019 22:37 #26 by munchymagic
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Mouldy wrote: Sheridan used Sowerby on the right in his first couple of games didn’t he? Would imagine he’ll shift across. Would love to see McCarron start mind.


Thats what I was thinking combined with a chance for Jones to redeem himself under the new regime.

I.d say MacCarron and the new lad are more likely to be plans B and C from the bench Wonder if they.ve thought about offering Darren Kelly at Hyde a certain big lumbering lump to make up for the lad we.ve nicked from them.


Yeah it isn't like Jones is rubbish, he just lost form or couldn't work with the manager but on his day he can be MOM at times.

He might just push us over the line but Holdsworth must have went along with Sheridan to freeze him out.

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11 Jan 2019 08:04 #27 by CCU
Jones ratings in the Stats Thread tell a story mind, one of the lower Players so far this Season...

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11 Jan 2019 22:47 - 11 Jan 2019 22:47 #28 by howoldboy
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Hard to improve your average when you're not playing.
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12 Jan 2019 02:14 - 12 Jan 2019 02:15 #29 by Happyblue
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Jones has maybe hit another drop off point in his career , it's how football works your the big thing untill you're replaced.

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12 Jan 2019 07:52 #30 by Jumpforfun
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I remember Matt Jansen breaking onto the scene and having to be managed correctly. Appearances from the bench etc when everyone could see he was a star.

I am in no way saying McCarron is as good as Jansen but simply suggesting he might not yet have the physicality, mental or physical fitness to cope with being a starter.

I would like to see him getting more time gradually though. 5 minutes here and there wont do him much good in the long run.

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12 Jan 2019 08:30 #31 by Adj09
I agree that mccarron might not be quite ready for a start. Bit’s the squad being so thin i don’t think it’s a bad option.
I would much rather keep the same formation and style of play and risk mccarron. Then bring Bennett in and play one up top.
Your never going to know unless you try. If it doesn’t work change it at half time

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12 Jan 2019 08:34 #32 by Markovitch
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At the level Chesterfield are playing at Jones, glendon, Miller and Bennett would all be good players. Here's hoping

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12 Jan 2019 09:42 #33 by wetheriggscufc
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I think so. At least if things go wrong at a game like today it wouldn’t knock his confidence like it might do in front of a home crowd. Would be great to see.

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