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28 Apr 2019 00:08 #51 by Taffy-P
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Wouldn’t mind Josh Magennis and David Wheater in a blue shirt next year

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28 Apr 2019 02:36 - 28 Apr 2019 02:45 #52 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dancingbear wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

Mullen103 wrote: Isn’t modern football great!

NS idea of supporters owning clubs seems more appealing every day.


Aye it’s a marvellous idea. The ammount of money we can raise to prevent these times of hardship must be massive.


Well the simple fact is the 750k a year that the fans could put in is 750k a year more than Jenkins and co are currently putting in.


The simple fact is the fans won’t put in £750k though Barry.


But quite clearly its not a fact tho is it ?

Until a club tries it we.ll never know. You come out and say it won't work without the slightest bit evidence to back that up. Whereas i.ve been on the edge of a group that have put literally thousands of hours into the project.

The days of the Butcher Baker and Candlestick maker model of ownership of which Jenkins is one of the last remaining dinosaurs has finally had its day and no longer works even at league two level and rather than look for another of them from a vastly reducing pool [ the majority of who either quickly lose interest or turn out to be crooked anyway ] lets grow some balls and take the leap into the brave new world of community ownership.

How can it fail when you have a product that if you play the game and make all your family life purchases thru it it's going to cost you nothing to fund the club to the tune of £300 a year it's an absolute no brainer.

The only question to ask is do you consider an investment of six quid a week [ which you get back by making other purchases ] worth it to bring 1.3 million of investment per year into your club? And then have the added bonus of being an owner and have exactly the same say in how the club is run as everyone else.

Maybe youd rather have your club in the hands of a Tosser like Jenkins whos yet to master how to open and switch on a laptop and wouldn't understand the phrase "monetising your support" if it jumped out and smacked him in the face.
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28 Apr 2019 08:09 #53 by Laffy
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Barry

There is absolutely no way fans will put in much beyond their season ticket money-even John Hall at Newcastle failed with that notion.The fact is most just want to turn up on a Saturday.

If there is any chance, then it would have to be led by the Trust-who seem incapable or unwilling to rise above the occasional tombola or bring and buy sale.

Change will come but it will require something seismic-Jenks’ demise, relegation out of the league or something as dramatic.Until then we are in a holding pattern.

A new football stadium would be a great catalyst but I don’t see any expertise around the table to carry that one off either-unless led by PD, but he seems unwilling to push on beyond acting as the bank.If Workington can come up with a plan, why not Carlisle?
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28 Apr 2019 14:15 #54 by Lakelandterrier
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More cuckoo statements. 750k a year from supporters! We already put money in!

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28 Apr 2019 14:31 #55 by CCU
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It’s all sad and that but any players we could nab at Bolton?

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28 Apr 2019 14:54 #56 by Markovitch
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If they expunge Bury and Bolton we could get in the playoffs!! Coyb. How many on here thought we could get promoted this year because of our sound finances?!

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28 Apr 2019 15:04 #57 by Dancingbear
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

Mullen103 wrote: Isn’t modern football great!

NS idea of supporters owning clubs seems more appealing every day.


Aye it’s a marvellous idea. The ammount of money we can raise to prevent these times of hardship must be massive.


Well the simple fact is the 750k a year that the fans could put in is 750k a year more than Jenkins and co are currently putting in.


The simple fact is the fans won’t put in £750k though Barry.


But quite clearly its not a fact tho is it ?

Until a club tries it we.ll never know. You come out and say it won't work without the slightest bit evidence to back that up. Whereas i.ve been on the edge of a group that have put literally thousands of hours into the project.

The days of the Butcher Baker and Candlestick maker model of ownership of which Jenkins is one of the last remaining dinosaurs has finally had its day and no longer works even at league two level and rather than look for another of them from a vastly reducing pool [ the majority of who either quickly lose interest or turn out to be crooked anyway ] lets grow some balls and take the leap into the brave new world of community ownership.

How can it fail when you have a product that if you play the game and make all your family life purchases thru it it's going to cost you nothing to fund the club to the tune of £300 a year it's an absolute no brainer.

The only question to ask is do you consider an investment of six quid a week [ which you get back by making other purchases ] worth it to bring 1.3 million of investment per year into your club? And then have the added bonus of being an owner and have exactly the same say in how the club is run as everyone else.

Maybe youd rather have your club in the hands of a Tosser like Jenkins whos yet to master how to open and switch on a laptop and wouldn't understand the phrase "monetising your support" if it jumped out and smacked him in the face.


They can put as many thousands of hours in as you like Barry. At this time you will not get Carlisle fans putting in £750k over and above what they put in now. If they doubled the price of a season ticket then how many would they shift?

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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28 Apr 2019 23:11 #58 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dancingbear wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

Mullen103 wrote: Isn’t modern football great!

NS idea of supporters owning clubs seems more appealing every day.


Aye it’s a marvellous idea. The ammount of money we can raise to prevent these times of hardship must be massive.


Well the simple fact is the 750k a year that the fans could put in is 750k a year more than Jenkins and co are currently putting in.


The simple fact is the fans won’t put in £750k though Barry.


But quite clearly its not a fact tho is it ?

Until a club tries it we.ll never know. You come out and say it won't work without the slightest bit evidence to back that up. Whereas i.ve been on the edge of a group that have put literally thousands of hours into the project.

The days of the Butcher Baker and Candlestick maker model of ownership of which Jenkins is one of the last remaining dinosaurs has finally had its day and no longer works even at league two level and rather than look for another of them from a vastly reducing pool [ the majority of who either quickly lose interest or turn out to be crooked anyway ] lets grow some balls and take the leap into the brave new world of community ownership.

How can it fail when you have a product that if you play the game and make all your family life purchases thru it it's going to cost you nothing to fund the club to the tune of £300 a year it's an absolute no brainer.

The only question to ask is do you consider an investment of six quid a week [ which you get back by making other purchases ] worth it to bring 1.3 million of investment per year into your club? And then have the added bonus of being an owner and have exactly the same say in how the club is run as everyone else.

Maybe youd rather have your club in the hands of a Tosser like Jenkins whos yet to master how to open and switch on a laptop and wouldn't understand the phrase "monetising your support" if it jumped out and smacked him in the face.


They can put as many thousands of hours in as you like Barry. At this time you will not get Carlisle fans putting in £750k over and above what they put in now. If they doubled the price of a season ticket then how many would they shift?


It's not about doubling the price of a season ticket it's about whether you care enough to spend six quid a week to ensure there are no more Knightons Storys and Jenkins.

Maybe it's me but just don't see how anybody who cares wouldn't join in Its six [censored] quid which you get back by playing the game it's like getting Morrisons, Eon, Virgin Trains and MacDonalds to put 750k a year into your club

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29 Apr 2019 17:16 #59 by CCU
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Brentford properly getting messed about:


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29 Apr 2019 18:48 #60 by nobbyblue
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If Bolton don't get it sorted they should face stiff penalties.

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29 Apr 2019 21:27 #61 by NORTHERNSOUL
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nobbyblue wrote: If Bolton don't get it sorted they should face stiff penalties.


They [ or at least Anderson ] might be about to

The FL have been offered a simple and effective way to bring it to a close.

They remove the Golden Share and make it clear it won't be returned till the club is in the hands of people they approve of

The creditor's consortium are willing to do everything the league need but the one thing they won't do is pay Anderson a penny but without the golden share he has nothing to sell.

Some of The contracted players have now started to put in their 14 days notice forms while those who are out of contract will just start their holidays early and once we reach July 1st simply make a claim in the small claims court for what they're owed.

If Bassini cant [ or Anderson won't let him ] buy the club and Anderson won't sign it over to the creditor's consortium unless he.s suddenly found a Jenkinsesque stash under his bed Administration is the only possible outcome and then i.ll be a standoff to see who blinks first and puts it into administration meaning they control it in their favour.

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30 Apr 2019 10:27 #62 by CCU
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Shambles territory:


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30 Apr 2019 11:13 #63 by Mullen103
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CCU wrote: Shambles territory:


Quite a lot of things in football are a shambles, comes as no surprise.

I see Yeovil have asked for clarification with what happens with relegation if a club goes out of business in the close season, there'll be a reprieve so I expect they may take Saturday's game a bit more seriously in the very slim hope they overtake Notts County and that happens.

At least we’re not Stockport

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30 Apr 2019 13:39 - 30 Apr 2019 13:41 #64 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mullen103 wrote:

CCU wrote: Shambles territory:


Quite a lot of things in football are a shambles, comes as no surprise.

I see Yeovil have asked for clarification with what happens with relegation if a club goes out of business in the close season, there'll be a reprieve so I expect they may take Saturday's game a bit more seriously in the very slim hope they overtake Notts County and that happens.


Just out of interest who are they expecting to go out of business ?

I.d say what they did would depend entirely on when it happened and whether you think its right or not there are clubs the FL would let go to the wall and others theyd be less likely to.
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30 Apr 2019 14:03 #65 by Mullen103
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Mullen103 wrote:

CCU wrote: Shambles territory:


Quite a lot of things in football are a shambles, comes as no surprise.

I see Yeovil have asked for clarification with what happens with relegation if a club goes out of business in the close season, there'll be a reprieve so I expect they may take Saturday's game a bit more seriously in the very slim hope they overtake Notts County and that happens.


Just out of interest who are they expecting to go out of business ?

I.d say what they did would depend entirely on when it happened and whether you think its right or not there are clubs the FL would let go to the wall and others they'd be less likely to.


Out of business/automatic relegation

Wishful thinking but obviously the Bolton/Bury situations and Coventry (however looks to be sorted) situations. Again wishful thinking on their part but they will regret not going for it on Saturday if something extreme happened to one of those clubs and 2nd bottom would keep you up on a technicality.

At least we’re not Stockport

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30 Apr 2019 14:36 #66 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mullen103 wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Mullen103 wrote:

CCU wrote: Shambles territory:


Quite a lot of things in football are a shambles, comes as no surprise.

I see Yeovil have asked for clarification with what happens with relegation if a club goes out of business in the close season, there'll be a reprieve so I expect they may take Saturday's game a bit more seriously in the very slim hope they overtake Notts County and that happens.


Just out of interest who are they expecting to go out of business ?

I.d say what they did would depend entirely on when it happened and whether you think its right or not there are clubs the FL would let go to the wall and others they'd be less likely to.


Out of business/automatic relegation

Wishful thinking but obviously the Bolton/Bury situations and Coventry (however looks to be sorted) situations. Again wishful thinking on their part but they will regret not going for it on Saturday if something extreme happened to one of those clubs and 2nd bottom would keep you up on a technicality.


Bolton will not be thrown out of the League while the FL know there is a perfectly good deal on the table from people who care and due to their standing in the local community who would never do the club any harm their beef is that Anderson has blatantly refused to pay them money they lent the club as a result of his begging The deal on offer is perfectly acceptable to the FL but not to Anderson because it involves him not getting a penny and giving up any rights he has on the club. I think the FL are happy to sit back and watch what happens because they know Anderson cant fund the club thru the summer and they've already had all monies due to them from the FL already. The player's strike was a fly in the ointment that they could have done without.

Bury although it looks pretty bleak needing 1.6 million just to get thru to August 1st it's also an opportunity because as the ground has been mortgaged by a third party. In a deal to buy the club, you don't have to find the money to buy it outright just the cash flow to keep the new owners rent demands happy although that does seem to rule out a leveraged deal which would undoubtedly be good for the club if not a potential new owner short of cash. A lot of what's likely to happen is going to depend on what happens re Stuart Days Bankruptcy and whether the Official Reciever wants to go looking for every possible last penny then that could give any new owner at the football club problems down the line but if he just tots up his debts and actual physical assets in an attempt to do a quick clean job then their life would be a whole lot easier. And when you look at the uplift they would get in away fans next season in Lge one as opposed to two i.d say there.ll be a few people keeping a keen eye on tonight's result.

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30 Apr 2019 14:54 #67 by Dancingbear
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They didn’t get any more fans last time they were in league 1 so why will they this time around?

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30 Apr 2019 15:04 #68 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dancingbear wrote: They didn’t get any more fans last time they were in league 1 so why will they this time around?


Look at how many clubs within 50 miles and the possibility of both SAFC and PFC both still being in the division

Accy are targeting an uplift of 25% in away fans on this season

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30 Apr 2019 17:10 #69 by Unrepentant blue
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Is an uplift the same as an increase?

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30 Apr 2019 18:20 #70 by ParcelPete
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Nah, my wife has a bra with uplift but they are still the same size.
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30 Apr 2019 18:53 #71 by Dazwacky
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Where do you draw the line!! I don't blame the players for there stance but they should have played the games for the club, all this does is cause major issues for the future of football, Bolton as a club need demoted at least two leagues to set a precedent for football, Bolton should have played the reserves to fulfill there obligations, we all know its the fans that suffer but the likes of Anderson and other corrupt owner also need to be held accountable!

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30 Apr 2019 23:12 #72 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dazwacky wrote: Where do you draw the line!! I don't blame the players for there stance but they should have played the games for the club, all this does is cause major issues for the future of football, Bolton as a club need demoted at least two leagues to set a precedent for football, Bolton should have played the reserves to fulfill there obligations, we all know its the fans that suffer but the likes of Anderson and other corrupt owner also need to be held accountable!


Why should the reserves play they haven't been paid either ?

All playing the games does is get the FL out of a hole in a situation which is entirely of their own making.

They should just take the golden share back that way Anderson has nothing to sell and if they approve Bassini they've lost the plot after the weekend when he admitted he doesn't have the money hes promised Anderson.

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01 May 2019 06:07 #73 by Markovitch
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Seem to be an increasing number of clubs that are determined to run at break even and will take a chance on results. Us, Cambridge, Port vale, Colchester. Cheltenham give it a go every year then spend at Christmas.

Bury have been on the verge for years. They had a financial manager in about 3 years ago and they were just a few weeks away from going under.

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02 May 2019 19:07 #74 by CCU
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Weekend game going ahead, and Brentford to be played on Tuesday:


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02 May 2019 21:01 #75 by beefsister
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That Bassini fella sounds well dodgy, bankrupt twice and involved in some shady business at Watford. Why is it football clubs attract all kinds of charletans and fraudsters?

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02 May 2019 21:43 #76 by CCU
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02 May 2019 21:59 #77 by seesaw50
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beefsister wrote: That Bassini fella sounds well dodgy, bankrupt twice and involved in some shady business at Watford. Why is it football clubs attract all kinds of charletans and fraudsters?


Money laundering

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03 May 2019 10:18 #78 by nobbyblue
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Bassini just been on talksport with Jim White and says he's proved to the EFL he has the funds and will be taking control.

Jim White says the EFL say that's not the case. :-D

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03 May 2019 12:52 #79 by CCU
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Brentford now been awarded 3pts and a 1-0 win:


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03 May 2019 12:56 #80 by nobbyblue
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Surprising that. Surely everybody has to fulfil their fixtures.

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03 May 2019 12:57 - 03 May 2019 12:58 #81 by CCU
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League can only make a Club play up to four days after the end of all other games...

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03 May 2019 12:59 #82 by nobbyblue
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Should have played this week before final fixtures. Brentford moved up three places on the basis of that 1-0 'win'.

Not right in my eyes.

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03 May 2019 13:28 #83 by Southernblue
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nobbyblue wrote: Should have played this week before final fixtures. Brentford moved up three places on the basis of that 1-0 'win'.

Not right in my eyes.


If the game had been played, none of the senior players were willing to play so Brentford would have been playing against their U18's team, so chances are would have scored a lot more so really a 1 goal addition to the goal difference could maybe be seen as unfair on Brentford, not that it matters anyway as they have nothing to play for at either end of the table

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03 May 2019 13:53 #84 by munchymagic
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Reminds me of 'that' Brighton v York (think it was York) game played after the season had finished to put us down.

Had the league made the same decision like the Bolton game it sadly would not have helped us and we would have ben relegated sooner as the points would have went to York anyhow.

I remember listening to the updates at work and am sure Brighton were winning at half time and lost something like 1-3 :(

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03 May 2019 13:54 #85 by bluestblue
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They should be relegated two divisions for that

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08 May 2019 10:55 #86 by CCU
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Looks like Administration:


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08 May 2019 18:03 #87 by DeckchairBlue
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Your idea has been tried and failed already Barry.

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13 May 2019 17:52 - 13 May 2019 18:00 #88 by CCU
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Double relegation? 19/20 starting on -12pts...


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14 May 2019 11:36 #89 by CCU
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16 May 2019 23:31 - 16 May 2019 23:31 #90 by Flatcap
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CCU wrote:


That tells you everything about the state of football in this country.
Food bank set up at Bolton Wanderers for their staff and meanwhile Manchester United state that there latest QUARTERLY wage bill is £84.4 million.

Ridiculous situation.
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16 May 2019 23:41 #91 by munchymagic
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The paltry amount that it would take the PFA to cover these wages like they protect the players would cost hardly anything to them, then I would hold it as a loan against the club and anyone wanting to take over has to pay the debt off.

You wouldn't be talking about paying silly over-inflated money to players but just a few grand for the staff.

I am aware that the staff are not members of the PFA but surely the EFL and PFA have a care of duty to ensure that all are looked after, just for the good of the game and communities.

Not their fault about mis-management of a club however.
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17 May 2019 06:33 #92 by nobbyblue
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Gordon Taylor played over 250 times for Bolton. Would have been a great gesture from him to have helped in some way.

I bet he'll have tens of millions stashed away as the highest paid union leader in the world.

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17 May 2019 22:30 #93 by Flatcap
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See that Preston have donated £2000 in food vouchers top the Bolton food bank.
The team have already been backed by supporters’ groups from Liverpool, Everton, Leeds United, Huddersfield Town and Blackpool football clubs
Nothing yet from any of the mega rich Premier League clubs.

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18 May 2019 07:16 #94 by Jumpforfun
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And again this for me is an indication of everything that is wrong with the modern game.

This for me is where the FA, EFL and PFA should step in to help. A club goes to the wall, staff not paid, players seemingly not paid for months, yet there has been little input from the governing body and very few other clubs or supporters are willing to help in any way.

For me, Bolton should be taken off the current owner - no compensation. They should also start next season on minus points.

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18 May 2019 07:23 #95 by nobbyblue
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They are in administration now, 12 points off next season.

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18 May 2019 07:35 #96 by CarlisleWhite
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Flatcap wrote: See that Preston have donated £2000 in food vouchers top the Bolton food bank.
The team have already been backed by supporters’ groups from Liverpool, Everton, Leeds United, Huddersfield Town and Blackpool football clubs
Nothing yet from any of the mega rich Premier League clubs.


Quickly, take Leeds out of the list before Frank the story teller sees it.

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18 May 2019 09:14 #97 by Dancingbear
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Rumours are that our lot have chipped a few left over crispy cakes in.

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22 May 2019 13:03 #98 by CCU
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13 Jun 2019 14:37 - 13 Jun 2019 14:37 #99 by CCU
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Light at the end of the tunnel?


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11 Jul 2019 06:14 #100 by CCU
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Absolute madness these numbers!


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