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11 Jan 2020 21:09 #101 by Dancingbear
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Bluedevil wrote: See all the usual suspects are out in force again tonight, we have carp players we all know that. But anybody who tries to blame Beech for this shambles needs to give themselves a bloody good shake. We've lost 3 out of 10 games, hardly totally disastrous, it's going to take time, staying up now is the only objective this season COYB


No wonder were floundering at the wrong end of the table.

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11 Jan 2020 21:16 #102 by Windy
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Of the long list of problems at the club, Beech needs to be near the bottom of them atm. Comparing him to Pressley is ridiculous, as is comparing the situations they arrived into. Understand people talking about experienced managers like Holloway and Adams joining other clubs, but is there honestly any reason a manager/player should come to this club, unless it's their last chance in football?

Having said that, Beech needs to start playing best players in the best positions. On form, Gethin Jones is probably one of the 1st names on the team-sheet, so play him at right-back, where he's much better. Then move Hayden to CB so he's not a liability. Leaves you stuck with Mellish at LB, but those are the cards Pressley/Holdsworth have dealt us.

We need to be offering all these players to anyone that will take them. If Curle wants Hope for free, get him gone. There's no-one in the squad that's worth fighting to keep, assuming Branthwaite's already been sold.

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11 Jan 2020 21:36 #103 by kells
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This bunch of players need rockets up their arses. While a defeat is unpalatable, lack of effort is absolutely inexcusable.
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11 Jan 2020 21:40 #104 by flumeblue
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How many of the Plymouth players & Management were at Bury?

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11 Jan 2020 21:49 #105 by NORTHERNSOUL
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flumeblue wrote: How many of the Plymouth players & Management were at Bury?


I believe its all the management and 5 players

Lowe has actually said hed like to have signed 2 or 3 more but didn't because while they were still Bury players there was still a chance somebody might have come along and taken over and its also pretty well known that they paid fees for some of them when in effect they could have got them for free [ Lowe has since said the benefit of hindsight he wished that he hadn't because the money went straight into Dales pocket.]

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11 Jan 2020 21:53 #106 by CCU
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flumeblue wrote: How many of the Plymouth players & Management were at Bury?


Of their team today, only Mayor and Moore I think? The other three didn’t feature.

Lowe took Schumacher with him too on the Coaching side...

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11 Jan 2020 21:54 #107 by nobbyblue
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kells wrote: This bunch of players need rockets up their arses. While a defeat is unpalatable, lack of effort is absolutely inexcusable.

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Normally I might agree with a lack of effort after a dismal defeat like this but I’m not sure if that was the case today. Lack of quality is the main problem. You can carry one or two players but not six or seven!
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11 Jan 2020 22:00 #108 by thetashkentterror
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One win in our last nine league games, which was a stoppage-time winner against a ten-man Walsall side.

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11 Jan 2020 22:11 #109 by Windy
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thetashkentterror wrote: One win in our last nine league games, which was a stoppage-time winner against a ten-man Walsall side.


And if Walsall had any quality up top that game would've been over at HT

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11 Jan 2020 22:17 #110 by thetashkentterror
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That run goes back to the Morecambe game when Pressley got sacked, we've actually got worse since he left, which is some achievement.


Points per league game until Steven Pressley got sacked.

1.06 (18 points from 17 games).

Points per league game after Steven Pressley got sacked.

0.77 (7 points from 9 games).
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11 Jan 2020 23:27 #111 by crunchblue
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That’s bad, but I don’t necessarily think that means Beech is worse than Pressley. It’s still early days for that.

I thought under Pressley we started the season average but were getting worse and worse by the week and this current team is a continuation of that. At the start of the season there were some half decent performances and perhaps “green shoots” as Pressley would say, but as the weeks and months went by the team got worse, and individual players were looking like worse players than when they first arrived. I put that down to bad coaching from Pressley and his staff as well as what looked to me like poor fitness levels. Unfortunately both last season and this season I’ve seen players start under Pressley at a level and then get progressively worse as the months go by under his management/coaching.

So yeah the team at the moment is crap, but Beech has got a hell of a long way to go to be worse than Pressley imo.

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11 Jan 2020 23:35 #112 by munchymagic
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Can't see him being let loose at a managers position ever again if his potential employers were to read this message board.

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11 Jan 2020 23:48 #113 by Bruntonpasty
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What was glaringly obvious today, in my opinion, was the difference in touch and weight of pass. Their players to a man had better touch to control the ball, better weight of pass meaning the ball went to where it was meant to go. They moved better, worked together better and dealt with the conditions better. There is a major lack of quality in our side/squad, a lack of the right attitude in some cases. As someone else said, you can carry a couple, we've got a squad full....... This could end badly!

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12 Jan 2020 00:08 #114 by franksidebottom
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Totally agree Bruntonpasty, it’s amazing how many simple passes we seem to [censored] up, even if they reach their intended recipient. If the ball’s well hit and in front of the man you can beat the defender with the pass and the recipient is away, on the attack. Our passes often seem to be underhit, behind the man or when played out wide straight at the full back instead of into space for him to run onto. Amazing how not getting a simple pass right can mean the difference between getting on the front foot or remaining on the back foot.

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12 Jan 2020 00:18 #115 by crunchblue
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Also noticed the lack of movement and forward runs from our players.

Whenever Mayor, Bakinson, Sarcevic etc got on the ball, their team mates were moving forward, either to receive the ball or drag our players away to create gaps for them or others to move into. When we got the ball our players just stood there watching or walking at best. So bad.
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12 Jan 2020 02:49 #116 by Onlyfoolsandhorses
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This will go right down to the end of the season game, another jimmy glass moment won’t be happening and then everyone will be on saying the BOD ruined the club, Been saying that for past 7 seasons every season because it’s slowly but sureLy been getting worse.
January is so important because if this team is not strengthened it will go down . There s no improvement happening

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12 Jan 2020 08:21 #117 by rodthomas’sdreadlock
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thetashkentterror wrote: That run goes back to the Morecambe game when Pressley got sacked, we've actually got worse since he left, which is some achievement.


Points per league game until Steven Pressley got sacked.

1.06 (18 points from 17 games).

Points per league game after Steven Pressley got sacked.

0.77 (7 points from 9 games).

We all know Beech isn’t up to the job, 10 games in and we still don’t know how he wants us to set up or what style of play he wants. He only got the job because he was the cheapest option and a yes man. It’s amazing how many people on this forum are happy to settle for how bad we are. We’ve got one of the richest men in Britain propping up this board of directors who are taking us to non league rapidly and there no questions being asked!!

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12 Jan 2020 08:26 #118 by nobbyblue
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Does he draw the defence out of a hat because it changes every week!

I was talking to an old fella yesterday who has known Jenkins for years and he’s been told Beech doesn’t necessarily have the last say on signings and is just there to coach whoever is brought in.

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12 Jan 2020 08:46 #119 by Jumpforfun
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I'd think that's fairly obvious Nobby. I'm sure Beech has some say but Holdsworth most likely holds sway on the signings.

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12 Jan 2020 08:50 #120 by nobbyblue
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That’s worrying given big Dave’s managerial record.

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12 Jan 2020 08:53 #121 by seesaw50
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Dont think Beech has had a lot of choice nobby on the defence...hes had illness and injuries lately, but at the end of the day you're only as good as your last result at the moment..Everybody was chuffed last Saturday with the Cardiff draw...same players yesterday, everybody saying how crap they are. And they looked crap yes.

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12 Jan 2020 08:54 #122 by Laffy
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I have genuine regard for Beech-but he has a difficult hand to play.He sounded despondent last night-probably because of the task in front of him.A couple of new players would give him a lift of course so we shall see

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12 Jan 2020 09:25 #123 by nobbyblue
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Just seen the goals again.

Webster’s man got the first, Webster walked to the ball and left his man unmarked for the second and then didn’t challenge and let him shoot for the third!

He’s not the only defender I know but come on!

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12 Jan 2020 09:44 #124 by seesaw50
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Yep.
Liability
No commitment to the team

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12 Jan 2020 10:09 #125 by seesaw50
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Just listened to CB post match...he says out of a team of 11 you need 8 "on point" ....ie too many passengers yesterday so at least hes willing to say so unlike SP

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12 Jan 2020 16:53 #126 by aberdeenblue28
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Did anyone else get a parking ticket on Brunton crescent or the surrounding areas.

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12 Jan 2020 16:57 #127 by Burneside Blue
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aberdeenblue28 wrote: Did anyone else get a parking ticket on Brunton crescent or the surrounding areas.

I did and it was the most enjoyable part of yesterday afternoon for me.

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12 Jan 2020 17:00 #128 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Burneside Blue wrote:

aberdeenblue28 wrote: Did anyone else get a parking ticket on Brunton crescent or the surrounding areas.

I did and it was the most enjoyable part of yesterday afternoon for me.


Do they not have them daft disc things anymore then ?

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12 Jan 2020 17:14 #129 by griff
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Only for up to 2 hours which isn’t long enough. I was on Warwick Road and was fine.

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12 Jan 2020 19:36 #130 by cousinscotty
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Meanwhile, back at the football...

I watched the extended highlights (I was at the match, btw) and two things stood out to me. The players came out to line up for the handshakes and almost all had their heads down. No clapping the crowd, fist pumping, whatever. Beaten before a ball had been kicked.

I know that Webster gets a load of stick but he seemed to be the only defender actually trying to defend yesterday. He's trying to do it all because the other lads - notably Mellish and Hayden - are just spectators. Hopefully this Hunt can defend...

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