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08 Dec 2018 14:07 #2 by seesaw50
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Disappointing!

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08 Dec 2018 14:14 #3 by CCU
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Whose our ‘Club Developed’ player in that 18?

Nobody seems to fit the criteria...

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08 Dec 2018 14:21 #4 by nobbyblue
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No club developed player in squad. Where any club does not name a Club Developed Player, that club will only be permitted to name up to six substitutes rather than the seven.
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08 Dec 2018 14:23 #5 by crunchblue
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CCU wrote: Whose our ‘Club Developed’ player in that 18?

Nobody seems to fit the criteria...


Is Grainger a club developed player? He came through the academy before going to Gretna did he not?

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08 Dec 2018 14:25 #6 by CCU
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crunchblue wrote:

CCU wrote: Whose our ‘Club Developed’ player in that 18?

Nobody seems to fit the criteria...


Is Grainger a club developed player? He came through the academy before going to Gretna did he not?


Is it not from YTS at 16yo as opposed to Academies? That’s how it was put across when introduced...

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08 Dec 2018 14:27 #7 by nobbyblue
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According to EFL: A club-developed player is defined as one who has been registered to the club for at least a year before the end of his under-19 season.

Whatever that means.

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08 Dec 2018 14:27 #8 by crunchblue
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Some decent options on the bench (mainly Grainger and Devitt) but with that starting 11 I expect MK Dons to be out of sight before we turn to any subs.

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08 Dec 2018 14:30 #9 by nobbyblue
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crunchblue wrote: Some decent options on the bench (mainly Grainger and Devitt) but with that starting 11 I expect MK Dons to be out of sight before we turn to any subs.


So you're saying Sheridan has picked wrong team. That seems unlikely.

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08 Dec 2018 14:33 #10 by crunchblue
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nobbyblue wrote:

crunchblue wrote: Some decent options on the bench (mainly Grainger and Devitt) but with that starting 11 I expect MK Dons to be out of sight before we turn to any subs.


So you're saying Sheridan has picked wrong team. That seems unlikely.


I think he’ll have wanted to start Devitt, Grainger and probably Parkes but obviously doesn’t think they are ready for 90 minutes.

I just don’t think that starting 11 will be strong enough to get anything out of the game. Hope I’m wrong.
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08 Dec 2018 14:39 #11 by CCU
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Seems Centre of Excellence (Academy) does count!


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08 Dec 2018 15:08 #12 by nobbyblue
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5-3-2, Sowerby & Yates wing backs.

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08 Dec 2018 15:11 #13 by seesaw50
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Subbing Yates already ..Parkes on...sounds injured

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08 Dec 2018 15:16 #14 by orfc
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08 Dec 2018 15:40 - 08 Dec 2018 15:40 #15 by seesaw50
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Big chance there ..cross from Nadesan that Hope gets onto, the goalie turns or smothers onto the post.

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08 Dec 2018 15:45 #16 by nobbyblue
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Hope's finishing is as weak as water.
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08 Dec 2018 16:04 #17 by CCU
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08 Dec 2018 16:07 - 08 Dec 2018 16:08 #18 by nobbyblue
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Down to 13th as it stands with Oldham and Swindon winning.

MK Dons don't sound out startling.
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08 Dec 2018 16:09 #19 by nobbyblue
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Bugger

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08 Dec 2018 16:23 #20 by nobbyblue
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Bennett on for Nadesan sounds a strange one.

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08 Dec 2018 16:25 #21 by seesaw50
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They've just commentated "how did that happen".
And the sub Nadesan off Bennett on, while out of form Hope stays on!
Losing the will!!

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08 Dec 2018 16:26 #22 by crunchblue
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Oh well. Expected nothing anyway.

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08 Dec 2018 16:38 #23 by Stamfordblue
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Sure happy clappers will cheer another gutless performance

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08 Dec 2018 16:42 #24 by nobbyblue
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Parkes injured again.

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08 Dec 2018 16:50 #25 by seesaw50
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Shoulder , but still on.

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08 Dec 2018 16:53 #26 by nobbyblue
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We're a very poor side and there's not a lot more you can say really.

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08 Dec 2018 16:55 #27 by orfc
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08 Dec 2018 17:01 #28 by CCU
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nobbyblue wrote: We're a very poor side and there's not a lot more you can say really.


I’d say we’re an average team in an poor league.

We’re going to bob about from 11th to 16th for the rest of the Season...

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08 Dec 2018 17:04 #29 by nobbyblue
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If we get much lower we'll drop off the coupon!

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08 Dec 2018 17:12 #30 by seesaw50
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What's gone wrong since that Swindon 4-0 away win...any confidence gained that day has drained away it seems. Is JS mis-managing these lads. Why was Nadesan subbed when clearly Hope is out of form and has been ever since his now illegal appearances for Barbados. Baffling !

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08 Dec 2018 17:31 #31 by Mullen103
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With a coaching team of Murray, whose been a failure at all managerial/coaching positions, Wright and Sheridan with no money this is as good as it gets.

I predict from January to May we will be the worst team in the football league. There’s an enough gap at the minute to the bottom sowiol be ok.

At least we’re not Stockport
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08 Dec 2018 17:44 #32 by crunchblue
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With this team I never feel like we can turn a match around when we go a goal down. I know we did it at Cambridge but that’s it. Previous years I always thought there was a chance when we were only 1 behind. There’s such a huge lack of quality in our final third, it’s worrying especially now we know we’re losing our 1 player actually capable of scoring.

Particularly at home this season, if the away team get the 1st goal we simply run out of ideas and eventually lose the match.

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08 Dec 2018 18:28 #33 by newcarlislefan
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Well I like to think that I’m generally quite a positive poster on here but I have to say I’m sitting on the train home feeling a bit depressed.
MK are clearly the better side and no real surprise to lose to them but I felt we were disappointing today.
Yes, Hope had a great chance 1st half and we had a flurry of late chances but the game in all honesty had gone by then.
For those that didn’t go you’ve seen this performance a number of times this season already.
Slow, predictable build up. Sideways passing. Few options going forward. Little movement. Staccato football.
Little incision, no fluency and when the chances do come we don’t take them.
Nadesan aside, toothless up top.
For me, it’s simply down to a lack of quality.
The front 3 of MK caused us all sorts of problems all afternoon despite not overwhelming us.
Quick fit, trickery and balls flying across our box.
We have to wait for Devitt to arrive to show any of that.
I think I’m most disappointed because despite deserving to lose I actually thought we might sneak a result with Nadesan’s pace always a threat.
Unless he was injured I’m at a loss to understand why he was taken off.
You can’t judge too harshly against the likes of Lincoln and MK given the side we currently have but I was watching today and thinking if we lose Nadesan and then maybe Devitt we are knackered.
It’s a real shame as the current side is a solid one generally at the back but at the moment as an attacking force we look so, so limited. The quality just isn’t there. How we miss a Nicky Adams type player. We’ve no one to beat a man.
Finally, despite an admittedly impressive gleaming, shiny new stadium, I found the whole experience today a soulless one. Fans dispersed across the ground with no atmosphere. The complete opposite to Lincoln.
Brunton Park and places like Kenilworth Rd have their detractors but give them any day.
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08 Dec 2018 18:43 #34 by CCU
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I’ve not seen or heard anything to warrant Hallam Hopes place in the team over the last few weeks since he came back from the knock he developed on International Duty. That’s 7 games where he’s done very little (An assist for the fourth at Swindon being the only thing of note?). I’d rather see McCarron given a little run of games in that position...

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08 Dec 2018 18:45 #35 by nobbyblue
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Nadesan not injured. Sheridan thought he wasn't playing very well.

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08 Dec 2018 18:50 #36 by Croydonblue
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Nadesam was injured a few minutes before he went off and was clearly struggling. Having said that he would probably done more than Bennett. Opposition defenders have a quiet day when they play us.Absolutely no bite up front.
Approach play was better with Devitt on the field.
Thought MK Dons were no better than average.

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08 Dec 2018 19:02 #37 by lbtufty
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Nadesan was taken off because he'd been left limping after receiving treatment following a heavy challenge and was clearly in some discomfort when running.

MK Dons certainly knew how to control the referee, we hardly got a thing from the officials until the game was close to over. One of the more contentious ones led to the first - job done for Tisdale and the boys. One cracking tackle from Gillesphey (I think) near our left touchline led to him picking up a caution.

The thing that depressed me the most was - not for the first time - our support. Over 300 there and you could count on the finger of your hands the number of fans making any effort to try and get behind their team. It's OK cheering and singing a couple "United"s when we score but what about when it's 0-0 or better still, when we've gone behind and the team needs a 12th man? Feels like our bloody Directors have won and succeeded in draining any remaining life and spirit among the remaining following. It might have been League One v National League in the Battle of the Budgets but from what I saw today and what most others were saying, there wasn't that much of a gap between the two teams on the pitch. If Hope scores at the end of the first half, we probably get something from the game.

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08 Dec 2018 19:13 #38 by carwash
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Yes it looked to me as if Nadesan got a crack in the ribs which hurt when he tried to run. He was down for some time before the ref stopped play.

I'm just hoping Curle comes in for Hope and Bennett in the January window so we can bring in some new forwards.
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08 Dec 2018 19:29 #39 by seesaw50
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nobbyblue wrote: Nadesan not injured. Sheridan thought he wasn't playing very well.


Starting to worry about Sheridan!

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08 Dec 2018 19:41 #40 by seesaw50
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Question for ncf.....what was Slater like today..hardly heard his name mentioned

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08 Dec 2018 19:46 #41 by triskelionblue
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nobbyblue wrote: We're a very poor side and there's not a lot more you can say really.


You reap what you sow... look where we were 10 years ago before these nit wits took over

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08 Dec 2018 19:54 #42 by Laffy
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I can’t really see what January will bring-we have no players where one could reasonably argue could be sold for hard cash-that basically leaves trading on wage savings and given the wage structure has been torched, shuffling players is unlikely to generate much.Its a sad state of affairs when our exec salaries are disproportionate to the player budget.

We have however arrived at the junction most of us thought-not good enough, not bad enough.Just average and managing.

You win nothing by being average but you surely piss a lot of floating fans off

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08 Dec 2018 20:27 - 08 Dec 2018 20:29 #43 by newcarlislefan
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seesaw50 wrote: Question for ncf.....what was Slater like today..hardly heard his name mentioned


Hi Seesaw.
I think Slater, as with Sowerby and to a lesser extent Yates, is a young player who'll have 1 good game, 1 bad game and 1 average game.
There's no real consistency to his game as there isn't from most younger lads.
I think the problem for him is that with both Etuhu and Jones in the side perhaps more creative football is expected from him but for me today I'm not sure he was in the game enough.
Having that 3 in midfield asks a lot of the wingbacks and losing Yates early really didn't help our attacking threat.
Most concerning for me from the starting 11 is the alarming loss of form of Hope. He was disappointing again today.
Not sure we get the best out of him centrally or on the left. At least when he's out on the right he can use his better right foot.
The club really needs to move heaven and earth to keep Nadesan. It really would be madness to let him go.
Even when he's not playing well his pace stretches defences and he's a real goal sniffer, like Allan Clark from Leeds all those years ago.
Nadesan was at fault for one of the goals today unfortunately - a heavy touch for their first.
Looking at the last 4 we've conceded they've all come down our right hand side and I don't think it's a coincidence.
I'm not blaming Sowerby at all but playing a central midfielder at right back or wing back is asking for trouble.
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08 Dec 2018 20:32 #44 by Urban Designer
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I think they will sell Devitt for peanuts in January. Crowds will be way below the breakeven of 4,500 ish and there will be further cuts next season.

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08 Dec 2018 20:58 #45 by seesaw50
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Cheers ncf, I'd agree about Slater, he's only a young lad learning the "men's" game. He'll no doubt be disappointed that every game he plays isn't like the Swindon game for him. As for Hope yes totally out of form, as I said above. Last two seasons we were crying out for a settled team, this year JS is sticking with mostly the same personnell every game which isn't working either, but due to lack of options and injuries.

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08 Dec 2018 21:10 - 08 Dec 2018 21:11 #46 by nobbyblue
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Urban Designer wrote: I think they will sell Devitt for peanuts in January. Crowds will be way below the breakeven of 4,500 ish and there will be further cuts next season.


There's nothing surer. £25k or something like that. I wouldn't be surprised if Jones or Liddle went as well as probably the highest earners.
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08 Dec 2018 21:30 - 08 Dec 2018 21:39 #47 by newcarlislefan
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Yes, it's desperately frustrating really.
I don't want to be moaning just for the sake of moaning but if the board could be less draconian with its strategy or if EWM would push us on a bit with some funds for squad strengthening - chicken feed for them - then it could be an exciting 2nd half of the season.
Hold on to Nadesan, some fullback cover and 2-3 quality attacking options and with Devitt, Grainger and Parkes fully fit the picture would look rosier.
It just has the feel, at the moment anyway, that the season is going to fizzle out.
Can't really knock them too much for losing to Lincoln and MK but throw the home record into the mix and it's a really worrying set of results.
The problem for us at the moment is that if Nadesan does go or we do have a poor second half of the season what will happen to the quality we have?
It's not impossible to see a scenario where the agents of players like Devitt or Gerrard or Parkes or Etuhu leave for more money or more chance of playing higher up the leagues.
January could be bad but next Summer could be catastrophic.
Not trying to be overly dramatic or pessimistic and it always feels worse after a defeat but I just hope that the board or EMW can see the very real danger ahead for the club over the next 6 months.
I mean we're currently struggling with the experienced pros in the side.
Come June the cupboard could conceivably be bare.
Some money from somewhere needs to be found otherwise Sheridan could end up with both a skeleton crew and one barely old enough to tie its boot laces.
I hope I'm not being overly dramatic but can't help feeling down tonight.
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08 Dec 2018 21:30 - 08 Dec 2018 21:35 #48 by nobbyblue
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Worrying that Sheridan in his interview with Andy Hall said that he didn't think Lincoln and MK had better players/team than Carlisle.
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08 Dec 2018 21:53 #49 by newcarlislefan
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Yes, I agree with that. MK and Lincoln clearly have better players than we currently have.
The front 3 or 4 at Lincoln last week were superb and the attacking threat today from Mk, particularly from the flanks was very good.
I guess he's between a bit of a rock and a hard place really. He can't come and out publicly say we're not good enough. He took the job knowing the constraints so can't carp about it now.
I'm sure he's right when he complains about a lack of talkers or leaders or characters or people who should be boll***ing others or digging them out, but that's not why we've lost 6 out of 7 at home.
Unfortunately, the players in the attacking 3rd aren't good enough but he can't come out and say that.

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08 Dec 2018 22:19 #50 by seesaw50
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Just saw the goals...not impressed

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