Saturday, 19 November 2022
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We all have different opinions.

Football is not science, football is art.

The game is not a mathematical equation with a single correct answer. It's a subjective industry, to a large degree beauty is the eye of the beholder.

There are many interpretations, many ways to win, many ways to lose, many opinions - none more valid than any other.

We need, as supporters, to accept fellow supporters may have opinions which differ from our own and respect their right to hold these opinions and express them.

If you disagree with the opinion of a fellow supporter then you should also have the right to explain why, in a rational and civilised fashion. Unprovoked abuse of fellow supporters is not ok - and should be tolerated by any of our fans, or the admins on this forum.

I note with disappointment, the continued abuse and bullying levelled in my direction by members of this community. It hardens my resolve to continue to share my opinions with you all, I nearly retired from this forum, but I will not let mindless minority win.

I will never come looking for any fellow supporter to abuse them, as happens to me when I post here. I will, on occasion, disagree and I will express that disagreement without resorting to abuse. But in truth, when people come looking for me - why shouldn't I have the right to defend myself and retaliate?

I'd like to ask you to please respond to any opinions you may disagree with (not just my own) a little dignity for yourself and in calm, reasoned manner without insult, bullying or profanity. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Thank you.
You bully me frequently, do you even realise you're doing it?

Just because you disagree with an opinion you're away again calling it "crass and abhorrent", that's not the same thing as "happily listening" is it? You're a passive aggressive master, black belt.

Dickenson has a relatively average sporting injury, it's a complete over reaction to describe it as "a horrible long term injury or illness". It's a temporary thing and he will heal perfectly well.

To say it's fantastic for the team he won't be playing (as indeed it has proved) is not "gloating", you're completely misrepresenting what I said (but you know this already).
1 week ago
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#319970
No, I am not bullying you, I was trying to enter into a discussion with you, I should know it's a total waste of time.

In my opinion it's crass and abhorrent On a discussion board I would expect you to discuss and explain why it isn't. You haven't.

Dickenson hasn't played this season, we are now in mid-November, and there is no sign he will be available soon. That strikes me as relatively long-term. I know just how frustrating, how embarrassing, how saddening it is to not be able to do things that were oh so natural before the injury, and know, even with a really good prognosis one month seems a hell of a long time, never mind several.

I don't feel I misrepresented you, when I read what you wrote in my opinion it was gloating. Fully understand you might not have meant it that way, it's very easy to write something that reads ok to yourself but picks up differently for someone else.

Anyway, we are never going to agree and I have finally got the phonecall I have been waiting for so thankfully can go and do other much more productive things.
For the record - post #314065 - at the time of the injury.

"It is fantastic news for the team

As a footballer, these things happen. He'll be looked after until he recovers. If he's not fit to play again, he'll have to get a proper job like anyone else, that's football - and that's life."

I sincerely hope his long term health and mobility will be ok, and genuinely wish him a speedy recovery (but not a speedy return to our starting XI)."

I don't see any "gloating" there Bumble, and also I don't see anything "crass and abhorrent" but you knew this already of course - because you're deliberately attempting (and this time failing) to misrepresent what was said.

I'd like to hear your view on why you think it's ok for you to behave this way? It's not simply "trying to enter into a discussion", it's misrepresentation, bullying and clear passive aggressive behaviour. One of us is a indeed "vicious", but it's not me.
6 days ago
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#320048
This post stinks of attention seeking……again
The last thing I want is your attention.

You disturb the cr@p out of me.

Stop stalking me. Thanks.
5 days ago
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#320058
Phenomenally hypocritical though isn't it? When I suggested that Jamie Devitt might be better retiring rather than coming back, for the sake of his long term health, I came under attack. I'm not a doctor but there were 3 or 4 people who loudly poo pooed the idea that we should put player wellbeing before short term results on the field. Strangely only Piglet seems to get abuse for that view. So do we care about player welfare or not? Or does it depend more on who comments?
"Or does it depend more on who comments?"

This.

Moderation of this forum also depends on who you are rather than what you actually post.

If you upset the happy clappers by daring to have a different opinion than they do, or dare to bad mouth the trust, they don't forget it.
5 days ago
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#320060
"Or does it depend more on who comments?"

This.

Moderation of this forum also depends on who you are rather than what you actually post.

If you upset the happy clappers by daring to have a different opinion than they do, or dare to bad mouth the trust, they don't forget it.



I disagree. I've never been moderated on this forum and I think the trust are an absolute bunch of useless self serving w******.
I don't often agree with Piglet's comments, however the board would be a much less interesting place without them - I have more of a problem with Demons constant haranguing of each and every one of Pig's posts.
5 days ago
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#320071
Phenomenally hypocritical though isn't it? When I suggested that Jamie Devitt might be better retiring rather than coming back, for the sake of his long term health, I came under attack. I'm not a doctor but there were 3 or 4 people who loudly poo pooed the idea that we should put player wellbeing before short term results on the field. Strangely only Piglet seems to get abuse for that view. So do we care about player welfare or not? Or does it depend more on who comments?


Suggesting someone should retire due to injuries as you did is absolutely fine, almost rejoicing in someone being injured is not fine.

Piggy gets the grief he does because he posts to get a reaction(he’ll say it is to open debate but……personally I’d disagree)What I find most distasteful is the snidely, calculating way in which he goes about this, for example, his display of “butt hurt” in the recent exchange with Bumble. Frankly, that was pathetic!!!
5 days ago
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#320075
Do you think that maybe most of us have been here too long?

I joined the email group (before message boards) and have followed the various forum morphs ever since. At its best, it would average a page and a half a day. The majority of posts being about Carlisle United but usually the odd football or just general posts as well. I really enjoyed those times, as someone living out in the sticks who rarely went to pubs to talk football I met virtual friends who over the years have become actual friends and good company.

When the message board started to lose posters it was easy to blame the football club's decline and two or three posters who specialised in being WUMS. If that was the case though you would expect now, with the upturn in fortunes and the buzz around the place the messageboard may have picked up, it hasn't.

Is maybe part of the problem that there are very few new posters? Most of us have done the Best Ever, the Where we Live, Flavour of Crisps, Cumbrian X1, many times. I think the forum needs new young blood to balance out the resident cynics (me included). It would be good to read some genuine discussions again.
5 days ago
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#320077
Forum’s in general have slowly been reducing in popularity.

Younger folk are far more in touch with quicker, modern outlets - Facebook Groups, Twitter, Instagram Stories, TikTok etc etc.

Forums in comparison are old relics!
3 days ago
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#320190
There are two forms of criticism, Constructive, and destructive. As a True supporter of Carlisle United I can accept. That we do not always have the the best team, the best players , in the Country. We have what we can afford, Young players climbing through the ranks, and elderly players trying to stretch their earning Capacity for one or more seasons. But one thing that all these players are not, is failures. Even reaching Carlisle United level, they are a success and should be treated with respect. What good does it do for either the team or the player to give him a zero or 2 rating. Destroy his confidence, destroy the teams confidence, Even the Managers confidence.
I remember years ago when writing on the United web of the day, I mentioned a 1950,s player. Just mentioned, not in any critical way, but I was surprised when I had a reply from that players grandson telling me how proud they were that he played for United. I realised then that all these players have families, and detrimental comments on this board can hurt parents, wives and children, for what. They are Professional Footballers, not at their potential pinnacle possibly, but they get paid, they are a success, and as a true supporter of the greatest club in the Universe it is my job to give them all my support, all my encouragement because I can well remember many times of leaving Brunton Park, after 90 minutes of well disappointment, vowing never to come back, yet the following Saturday I still walked down Warwick road, full of Zip, weighing up the crowd beside me so I could estimate the attendance, Full of enthusiasm for my club. Because that is my duty to my Club, Support, encourage, and always be positive.
Narcissistic posters have destroyed my willingness to participate in this environment . An old saying….” I you can’t say anything good, then don’t say anything at all.”
Years ago I attended the last game of the season, an away game at Lincoln. Probably about two to three hundred United supporters, and we got hammered. But what I remember the most that we all gave a rousing ovation to great players, lower half of the lowest league, but they were our players, and we were true supporters.
6-2 we lost that day, Tony Lormer ripped us to shreds.

Was a gorgeous sunny day in May, and we had the old away end which was a partitioned corner of the old "bank" at Lincoln's ground.

I wouldn't exactly call the reception the team got at the end "rousing", Quokka. It's fairer to describe it as "mixed".

"What good does it do for either the team or the player to give him a zero or 2 rating."

Honesty is the best policy, and as supporters of the club we have a duty to be objective. How does it help to pretend players are playing well when their efforts in a blue shirt are below standard?

"Narcissistic posters have destroyed my willingness to participate in this environment", but here you are - participating in this environment. You're obviously still lurking around having a good read, so why not grow a pair and post your opinions? Why should "narcissism" stop you?
Undermining yourself with that last post.
Plus, started a whole new thread... Just about you.
Undermining yourself with that last post.
Plus, started a whole new thread... Just about you.


Nope.

Neither of those points are correct.
2 days ago
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#320271
Piglet, you got the Score right, You got the weather right, but at that time Lincoln’s ground was three sided due to major renovations. So away supporters were on the opposite side facing a brand new grandstand, So we’re you actually there or just a quick check on the historical records to enhance your dubious logic.And thanks for mentioning my obvious anatomy shortages, which you seem to share with me, the only difference is my pair you refer to have long since passed their use by date, whereas the way you hide on this board would suggest yours were non existent. Oh ,also to correct you, we did give the team, our team, a rousing send off.
I don't remember the ground being three sided at the time, is that a trick question?

We were on the opposite side of Sincil Bank to where the Stacey West Stand is now. The old, and pretty much crumbling terrace we were on has been replaced by their largest stand now (I think it's the Coop stand).

The coop stand wasn't built until 1995 (from memory the ground might've been three sided when we went there in 1994 when Wadsworth was manager). In 94 we were in the new-ish small stand behind the goal. I don't honestly remember if that small stand was built or not in 91, if it had been built or if it was missing then it would've been to our right as we looked at the pitch.
2 days ago
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#320277
Interesting reply. You obviously know more about Sincil Bank than I do.. all I can remember was that yes the score was 6-2, it was May , very sunny, and we stood on an open terrace facing a magnificent new stand. The Carlisle team emerged from what was basically a hut on the right of this stand and the total end to our right was a building site. And whilst I did not not check the anatomical attributes of all round me you can’t have been there as all around me were enthusiastic, it was 1991 if that helps.
2 days ago
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#320278
April 94 we were definitely on the crumbling terrace.
We drew 0-0 on our way to the play offs.
I remember this day very well as me and 3 mates got complimentary tickets off Peter Valentine.
October 94 we behind the goal in the small stand as Piglet correctly states.
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This was the stand opposite us that day in 91 (minus the seats on the right there).

I accept beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to describe it as "magnificent" is a bit of a stretch. However I'm going to suggest your memory isn't perfect, Q.

Thirty odd years is a long time mind you, and I also accept my memory is not perfect as I can't remember the stand to our right being missing. The horrific nature of our defending that day probably traumatized us both, in fairness.

What I remember of the game, apart from Lormer playing like Zico... I think we scored first. Paul Proudlock with a finish at the far end of the ground (left as we looked). I also think most of Lincoln's goals came at the same end Proudlock scored. We scored a penalty sometime in the second half, at the end that might have been demolished at the time (right in front of us). With the ensuing carnage, I don't remember what the score was when we scored it (did we equalise, or even retake the lead?), but I want to say it was Tony Shepherd who scored it - although I could well be having an Archie Stephens moment here.
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