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  3. 03-01-2017 16:10
Seems the long hoped for Southern Bypass - From the A595 to Jctn 42 - may become a reality after the St Cuthberts area has been selected for a new 'Garden Village'. Swathes of Homes and facilities will be built.

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/Carlisle-southern-bypass-more-likely-thanks-to-garden-village-8802e946-87bc-4ee3-a5b4-e2ed200891f6-ds
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In what timescale though?

The "morton masterplan" for 1,500 homes is about 20 years old and so far a couple of persimmon/charles church housing estates have been built. The vast bulk of it hasn't happened.

On that rate of progress, St Cuthberts should be finished sometime early in the 22nd century. I'll let my great-great-grandkids know.
  1. 03-01-2017 16:15
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In what timescale though?

The "morton masterplan" for 1,500 homes is about 20 years old and so far a couple of persimmon/charles church housing estates have been built. The vast bulk of it hasn't happened.

On that rate of progress, St Cuthberts should be finished sometime early in the 22nd century. I'll let my great-great-grandkids know.


The Council will be on to it as soon as they have reached a decision on the proposed new zebra crossing in front of the castle, projected timescale - 12th of never.
  1. 03-01-2017 16:20
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How is it possible to plan for the future - the BBC reliably informed me that the world would come to and end if we left Europe and if Trump got elected.
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Will village idiots be allowed in this new village or is it for posh folk(non cumbrian) earning over 200k a year

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Is there no Posh Folk in Cumbria like ?

Doesn't a certain % of all housing built now have to be in the 'affordable housing' category ?
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Is there no Polish Folk in Cumbria like ?

Doesn't a certain % of all housing built now have to be in the 'affordable housing' category ?


Amended that for you pal :)

Stick up ten thousand houses and we will have to fill them somehow....
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Wonder if there'll be a new supermarket by Jctn 42 (43 & 44 have them) that could enable a new Ground into a development... :whistle:
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Wonder if there'll be a new supermarket by Jctn 42 (43 & 44 have them) that could enable a new Ground into a development... :whistle:


It'll be a Costcutter then...
  1. 03-01-2017 18:50
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The White Quay will rise from the ashes and become the village centrepiece.
  1. 03-01-2017 21:50
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Where are these ten thousand people going to work by the way....
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Where are these ten thousand people going to work by the way....


In the supermarket beside the new Carlisle Arena!
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Where are these ten thousand people going to work by the way....


Post Brexit it won't be a problem Munchy. No more nasty foreigners and loads of jobs for the English.
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Where are these ten thousand people going to work by the way....


Post Brexit it won't be a problem Munchy. No more nasty foreigners and loads of jobs for the English.


Where on earth are these people supposed to appear from though, if you want to live in Carlisle already then you can with ease - maybe they are expecting a baby boom or something :)
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Remember back in the day when the problem families from London were sent to Dover, Maidstone and the likes.

The gangster families chased out of Manchester and Liverpool will now be sent to Durdar - I should have posted this on the drugs thread as Durdar with its excellent access to the M6 could become the drugs capital of the UK.
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Remember back in the day when the problem families from London were sent to Dover, Maidstone and the likes.

The gangster families chased out of Manchester and Liverpool will now be sent to Durdar - I should have posted this on the drugs thread as Durdar with it's excellent access to the M6 could become the drugs capital of the UK.


Could be the new Marbella minus the sun and yachts.
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Sounds like a Blueyonder sort of pipe dream by the council to be honest, in ten years time they will have scrapped four ideas and still be claiming it is still a viability whilst they keep taking the funding.

And Fred isn't daft if he is offered any plots, he wont build houses that people wont buy.
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Sounds like a Blueyonder sort of pipe dream by the council to be honest, in ten years time they will have scrapped four ideas and still be claiming it is still a viability whilst they keep taking the funding.

And Fred isn't daft if he is offered any plots, he wont build houses that people wont buy.


It's Government backed so likely will happen...
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Edinburgh Woolly Mill is already looking at moving it's HQ from Langholm to Carlisle, partly for better transport links, partly to escape sturgeon's tax raiding on companies and people alike. A few more of these and a few booze warehouses as the tartan taliban start taxing alcohol to the hilt as well and it'll be St Corby-Cuthberts before you can blink.
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Reading into, the various developments are between 1500 and 10000 Homes. Would imagine St Cuthberts will be the lower end of the scale?

Minimum 1500 Homes still a fair new build mind!
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Edinburgh Woolly Mill is already looking at moving it's HQ from Langholm to Carlisle, partly for better transport links, partly to escape sturgeon's tax raiding on companies and people alike. A few more of these and a few booze warehouses as the tartan taliban start taxing alcohol to the hilt as well and it'll be St Corby-Cuthberts before you can blink.


Wollen mill are moving their HQ to Rufus house in Carlisle.
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Bid for £100m Construction cash made to the Government...

https://twitter.com/itvborder/status/913678923636051969
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A couple of my farming mates will be delighted as they own land inside the route so that will become building land and prices to go with it
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The A595 upgrade is far more important than this vanity project.. they [censored] up with the by pass by not duelling it anyway.

Time for other parts of cumbria to receive funding for upgrades

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Long before time, sod the a595 and the shitkickers, they'd just clog the road up with tractors anyhow.
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You wont be saying that when i win the Euromillions and build the new Brunton Park at Flimby.
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"3] Its a part of this scheme we could be talking about 10k houses here so if in return for the contract the developer added just 2k to the cost of each house he could spend 20k on a stadium for us "

Like the idea but I think you may have used BODMAS in that calculation :)
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Another piece of spin by our feckless bunch at Carlisle Council, they would do well to clear the drains, never mind build a by-pass !

When are we starting on the £19m re-vamp of the Sands ? the 13th of Never....?

You can see where our BOD learned all about PR and Spin !!
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It’s the County Council...
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It’s the County Council...


And people still get confused....:S
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It’s the County Council...


Don't think so...

""Carlisle's Sands Centre is poised for a £19m transformation - including a new swimming pool.

An eight-lane pool - replacing the city’s ageing James Street baths - is at the heart of a radical revamp plan being pursued by Carlisle City Council.""""


"""Mr Stevenson said he had enthusiastically backed the city council's garden village plan – to the extent that he personally lobbied housing and planning minister Gavin Barwell late last year.

“I'm delighted with this news,” said Mr Stevenson. “It makes sense in a number of ways.

"Firstly, there's been a lot of development to the north of Carlisle, so it makes sense to try to balance that with developments in the southern part of the city.

“I also share Colin Glover's opinion that this makes the completion of a Carlisle ring road more likely. That would take traffic out of the city centre, and you'd see development happening up to that barrier.

“Finally, better infrastructure would give us better access to the west of Cumbria. This approval shows that the minister has recognised that there is good long-term potential in Carlisle. He was very positive.

“In this case, Carlisle City Council have done us proud.”
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We’re on about the Road?

From the link I put up...

“The county council today unveiled the two possible routes, both sweeping through farmland to the south of the city, passing Brisco, Durdar and Cummersdale.“
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We’re on about the Road?

From the link I put up...

“The county council today unveiled the two possible routes, both sweeping through farmland to the south of the city, passing Brisco, Durdar and Cummersdale.“



It really doesn't matter, CCC (whichever you want it to be) cannot clear the drains, fix the potholes, paint the white lines or get their accounts right. How can they possibly be involved in a project outside the offices that costs more than 10 bob ??

They blew the cost of the Sands re-vamp on a Court case !!

Imbeciles who's only skill is to select the correct size of hard hat, and high viz jacket and how to make a two minute risk assessment into a full-time career !!
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I can't understand the logic of building 10,000 new homes in Carlisle when there isn't the natural population growth to warrant it. It's the same in North Tyneside where there is a huge amount of new house building with nothing economy-wise to justify it.

I live in a built-up part of the South East and the local council is objecting to having to build 50 homes over the next 10 years under the local plan.

This difference in attitude is just going to widen the gap between the prosperous South and the North with plenty of housing but not enough jobs or people to live there.
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Did you watch the panorama programme the other night about Blackburn turning into two separate towns? It would seem the Asians move in and the locals move out. Prob planning ahead for when it happens in Carlisle.
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I would question that there is no demand. It depends on what you build, 10000 starter homes with a cost of £30000 each or new council homes would be gobbled up quickly. People who lived in this area, such as my mother (no old money in our family I'm afraid) would be horrified if they started shipping in low income families.
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I know I’m using stereotypes here but the estate they’re building near me they have to provide 25% to social housing. I can’t see who in their right mind would want to spend a bloody fortune on a 5 bed new build and risk whether they get a lovely family who are in need of social housing or some druggies who’ve never done a days work in their lives.
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I do get that, nobody wants them to build the Gorbals on their doorstep. Its not just housing for the homeless though its also starter homes. How does someone who is earning 15/20 grand a year get on the housing ladder?
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Yeah I totally agree but I take it the social housing would be rented accommodation so still wouldn’t get people on the ladder. Mind you 100 houses on a field are gonna be right on top of each other. If I could afford a 5 bed house I wouldn’t want to be shoeboxed in like these new estates seem to be.
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I've no objection to affordable housing especially for young couples starting out. But more often than not it's housing associations that buy then then rent out to people on benefits who could turn a palace into a slum.
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Affordable homes is a way for the Government to paper over the fact that Banking system for Joe public is broken and you will never be able to get on the property ladder.

However, I am a big believer in ' build it and they will come ' creating new jobs, and stimulating a stagnant economy.

Everyone wondered where all the customers would come from to keep ASDA in business when it opened !!
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I've no objection to affordable housing especially for young couples starting out. But more often than not it's housing associations that buy then then rent out to people on benefits who could turn a palace into a slum.


The government usually insists on it unfortunately.

Didn't farmers buy loads of houses in Carleton when it was being built, something along those lines.
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The Green Route has been chosen as the preferred option...

https://twitter.com/cumbriacrack/status/1010234871703396354?s=21
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The problem is that they'll build the schools etc but they'll just do a Fred story and never get round to it.
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Potentially six new schools and another cemetery...

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/Six-new-schools-a-cemetery-and-country-parks-could-be-created-as-part-of-new-garden-village-in-Carlisle-e23cd570-cf23-4f35-86cc-83e5735c15b7-ds


Bit harsh isn’t it? Surely better to employ a few lollipop people around in and out times ;)
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Hmm now I'm not normally cynical of council plans but when they say progress has been made, rather than generating stacks of nice plans, have they

A) explained why 10,000 families are suddenly going to want to move here

B ) who's paying for all the infrastructure outside of bullshitting house builders
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Hmm now I'm not normally cynical of council plans but when they say progress has been made, rather than generating stacks of nice plans, have they

A) explained why 10,000 families are suddenly going to want to move here

B ) who's paying for all the infrastructure outside of bullshitting house builders

Is the 10,000 not meant to be over a significant period of 20 years, If the population of Carlisle keeps growing at the current rate 6.6% (between 2001-2011 census date) Taking the city of Carlisle up to 108,400 (as of 2011 ), would suspect it to be around 110,000 (note is use the city of Carlisle which includes surrounding villages) then the population would therefore increase by 15000 aporx over 20 years, The average household is meant to contain 2.3 people so that means that as current growth patterns we'll only need 6500 homes. But with us leaving the EU, the birthrate falling etc, Then the population won't increase at anywhere near that rate.
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Most of the recent growth is stooooodents though, unless that university expands massively that's a one-off

Apart from that blip, since 1971, when Carlisle District had 100,000 people, the city's hardly grown at all - it's very much not a boom 'n' bust type of place

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Carlisle#Population_change


Like I said back at the start of this thread, the council (city one this time) made a big hoorah about the morton masterplan which was meant to be 1,500 homes between wigton rd and dalston rd with businesses, supermarkets, leisure facilities etc. 20 years later on they've sold chunks of it (mostly on the other side of wigton rd) to house builders and thats it. Search for masterplan on this page of old cumberland news headlines and you can see it was first talked about 20 years ago too... http://www.carlisleshistory.co.uk/page35.htm
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