How much would it cost to knock the old stands down and build a 5,000 new stand.
Then stick a roof on the Waterworks and bobs your uncle.
If a new ground ain’t happening, at least a modest redevelopment of Brunton Park would be nice! A small 1500-2000 seater stand at the waterworks end (moved back to lineup with the east stand) would be a start - if it’s feasible. Replace the paddock side with 4000 seats, and you’ve got a 12k seated capacity with the WRE still to go.
Does the flood risk really rule this out? And if not, why have the owners allowed BP to rot and fester? Why is the east stand still not completely finished after a quarter of a century?
Any redevelopment would have to not increase the affect of flooding and would have to sit on the same footprint, plus a bank would have to be willing to take the risk to loan the money .
If we can’t shift the footprint of the ground, presumably we can’t realign the stands? That’s a bit of a problem in my view.
Knighton must have shifted the footprint.
He did indeed. Can only presume that recent floods have moved the planning goalposts?
I can’t confirm at all and I don’t know but I’ve been told by a couple of people today to keep an eye out on companies house in the next few days regarding ownership news.
I can’t confirm at all and I don’t know but I’ve been told by a couple of people today to keep an eye out on companies house in the next few days regarding ownership news.
These sources the same quality as your vaccine informants?![]()
You clearly can’t read-I have repeatedly said that I have no intention or desire to invest in or buy the football club
I would be interested in a project involving the construction of a community based asset which comprises a new stadium but which is not owned by the club.Why?Well I know how to finance it and it would be something that did not promote the idea I was trying to make money out of it
I think Sir Lapp too often see’s the club with his accountants hat on.
Ground ownership isn’t just a financial issue. Some clubs who sold theirs have ended up in dispute with the owners and ground sharing miles away. Can’t play your home games on a slightly improved balance sheet.
Also there is sentimental attachment to BP. Ramshackle but also rather grand. Very rare that you visit an away ground and are jealous. Especially not when sitting on a park and ride bus crawling it’s way to the outskirts of Colchester.
Not totally closed off to the idea of a new ground. But it would have to be actually in Carlisle, similar capacity to BP, owned by the club and not some add on to a campus project for me to be enthusiastic
I think Sir Lapp too often see’s the club with his accountants hat on.
Ground ownership isn’t just a financial issue. Some clubs who sold theirs have ended up in dispute with the owners and ground sharing miles away. Can’t play your home games on a slightly improved balance sheet.
Also there is sentimental attachment to BP. Ramshackle but also rather grand. Very rare that you visit an away ground and are jealous. Especially not when sitting on a park and ride bus crawling it’s way to the outskirts of Colchester.
Not totally closed off to the idea of a new ground. But it would have to be actually in Carlisle, similar capacity to BP, owned by the club and not some add on to a campus project for me to be enthusiastic
A long term lease, community ownership of the stadium - a couple of ways of ensuring the security of any stay at a new ground not owned outright by the club.
Sentiment is irrelevant, I’m afraid. Many an afternoon and evening spent on those terraces, and even today I would divide my time between the WRE and the East stand. But it means nothing if the maintenance of the ground continues to cost a fortune, or if flooding continues to undermine the long term viability of BP.
In terms of capacity, I’d settle for something with as little as 12k seats - so long as scope was left for significant future development. As for location, the outskirts of the city would be fine by me - provided there were genuine, straightforward links between the city centre and the new development.
I struggle to see any reasonable argument for staying at BP if we cannot both guarantee it’s future and also redevelop it.
I think Sir Lapp too often see’s the club with his accountants hat on.
Ground ownership isn’t just a financial issue. Some clubs who sold theirs have ended up in dispute with the owners and ground sharing miles away. Can’t play your home games on a slightly improved balance sheet.
Also there is sentimental attachment to BP. Ramshackle but also rather grand. Very rare that you visit an away ground and are jealous. Especially not when sitting on a park and ride bus crawling it’s way to the outskirts of Colchester.
Not totally closed off to the idea of a new ground. But it would have to be actually in Carlisle, similar capacity to BP, owned by the club and not some add on to a campus project for me to be enthusiastic
A long term lease, community ownership of the stadium - a couple of ways of ensuring the security of any stay at a new ground not owned outright by the club.
Sentiment is irrelevant, I’m afraid. Many an afternoon and evening spent on those terraces, and even today I would divide my time between the WRE and the East stand. But it means nothing if the maintenance of the ground continues to cost a fortune, or if flooding continues to undermine the long term viability of BP.
In terms of capacity, I’d settle for something with as little as 12k seats - so long as scope was left for significant future development. As for location, the outskirts of the city would be fine by me - provided there were genuine, straightforward links between the city centre and the new development.
I struggle to see any reasonable argument for staying at BP if we cannot both guarantee it’s future and also redevelop it.
A nice new little stadium doesn't necessary guarantee a bright future.
Marko, EWM Holdings Ltd never went into administration but The Edinburgh Woollen Mill Limited did and will eventually be liquidated. Some of the assets including the Carlisle United loan were acquired by Purepay Retail Limited which is connected to associates of Day. So far Purepay have stepped into the shoes of EWM as regards the loan and their attitude towards repayment but yes that could change. It would be sad to see but if one of the directors with a pg were to die then that could be a trigger point for something to happen. I can't see their executors being at all happy with an outstanding pg and I wouldn't want to speculate on how it would be resolved.
How many clubs have come in to trouble after selling their ground and started renting elsewhere. It's not like we're Coventry and csn go and play our home games 15 miles down the road.
Marko, EWM Holdings Ltd never went into administration but The Edinburgh Woollen Mill Limited did and will eventually be liquidated. Some of the assets including the Carlisle United loan were acquired by Purepay Retail Limited which is connected to associates of Day. So far Purepay have stepped into the shoes of EWM as regards the loan and their attitude towards repayment but yes that could change. It would be sad to see but if one of the directors with a pg were to die then that could be a trigger point for something to happen. I can't see their executors being at all happy with an outstanding pg and I wouldn't want to speculate on how it would be resolved.
Interesting. They can only call in the loan if the club is in default. And personal guarantees die with the guarantor. So, forgive me for saying, but financially aj passing on could be good news, money wise