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  3. 17-12-2019 07:30
Now the GE is done and dusted, and with MP’s returning to Parliament today to begin being sworn in, we’ve locked the GE Thread last night, and you can now use this one for any Westminster related stuff.

Anything Brexit related will be moved to the ongoing Brexit Thread!

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Jeff buddy, you’re now arguing against yourself. I agree that if they land on a beach, or in a port, and don’t report for immigration processing then they are illegal. That’s never been an issue. Many ports don’t have immigration offices though so they have to phone on arrival and somebody will be sent along. It’s pretty lax but it’s a system which has worked reasonably well up to now. All airports and seaports are ports of entry, it’s just that some aren’t manned by immigration staff. See my previous comments about diminishing resources.

Your argument all along, though, has been that we should turn them around in mid-Channel WHERE THERE ARE NO PORTS OF ENTRY.

You got yourself right in the foot there Jeff.
  1. 08-09-2020 17:53
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They've entered our waters illegally and are therefore illegal.

You know like the E.U fisherman want to be able to legally enter OUR waters to fish in after brexit.

Your love for illegal migrants has blinded you to the truth.
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Orfc

I'm trying to move in from muslamic illegals but retard Griff just wont accept it that foreigners on rubber dinghy boats are illegally entering the country.
  1. 08-09-2020 19:04
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They've entered our waters illegally and are therefore illegal.

You know like the E.U fisherman want to be able to legally enter OUR waters to fish in after brexit.

Your love for illegal migrants has blinded you to the truth.


Untrue.
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Move on Griff, you claim to be an expert but you dont know the difference between illegal and legal.


Majority of the country wants to send them back, only the media would make you think differently.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12556571/britain-right-to-deport-1500-illegal-migrants-august/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/02/400-illegal-migrants-crossed-channel-reach-britain-new-record/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1286196/migrant-news-priti-patel-english-channel-loophole-nigel-farace-dover-uk-latest

Here's some news articles off a quick duckduckgo search

Are all of them wrong to call them illegal too?


The only thing rags like The S*n and The Express ever get right are the date - and even then I'd check them.
  1. 08-09-2020 21:30
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12556571/britain-right-to-deport-1500-illegal-migrants-august/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/02/400-illegal-migrants-crossed-channel-reach-britain-new-record/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1286196/migrant-news-priti-patel-english-channel-loophole-nigel-farace-dover-uk-latest

Here's some news articles off a quick duckduckgo search

Are all of them wrong to call them illegal too?





Firstly, Jeff, they don’t say where they were illegal. They could have been illegals in France, they could have absconded here or be illegal for another reason. Newspapers sell copy by worrying people, Jeff, and are masters at misusing semantics. Look it up. Also:

Sun “who have arrived in the UK”
Telegraph “to reach Britain”
Express “to reach UK”

They’re not talking about the folk who you currently have floating about in the middle of the channel, Jeff. And won’t you at least give them a blanket?

I don’t ever claim to be an expert as you put it Jeff, but I did present cases on behalf of the Secretary of State before the upper tier of the Immigration Appeals Courts for two years, then later was in charge of the National Asylum Support Service, part of the Home Office, in the South West and Wales for 5 years. So of course Jeff, I know far less than you.
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Theres just something about 1000s uninvited people from all around the world arriving to Britain in rubber dinghys that doesnt seem very legal.

Give them a blanket?

Next you'll be wanting to give them a free house and free food and free money.

Oh wait......
  1. 09-09-2020 07:24
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Oh Jeff, there’s now a hole in your other foot. While claims for asylum are being looked into, claimants aren’t allowed to work, and therefore have no means of supporting themselves. Are you now advocating homelessness? Men, women and young children? Or are you advocating letting them work so that they could pay for housing and food themselves? Because if that happened Jeff, you’d be one of the first ones on here screaming “they’re taking our jobs”!

Yes they’re uninvited, so we have to find ways of stopping them leaving in the first place. Have you got it now?

Oh and you keep dodging Kessler’s conundrum where you currently have an increasing number of small boats bobbing around in the middle of the Channel with nowhere to go. Solved it yet?
  1. 09-09-2020 08:07
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Be ready for the next wave, 13000 refugees made homeless in the early hours, Moria Camp in Greece has been burned down, just as Covid is taking hold.
  1. 09-09-2020 09:39
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So thousands of migrants jump in a rubber dinghy and sail to country where they have no right to be in, and your logic is that they are not illegal?

We are not a charity for the whole world. We all know they are coming for an easy life on the benefits. They could of claimed asylum in the first safe country they arrived in.

Are they our citizens?? No. So they can go bobbing around mid channel all they want. You need to be tough if you want them to stop.

I think just maybe that theyd go back to france and find the next best country to sponge off.

Hard work you Griff. Like an annoying ex that just wont move on.
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Hard work you too Jeff. You’ll be happy for us to have more homeless on the streets, or have them bobbing around in the Channel in complete limbo for ever.

They were probably illegal when they left France. Their status if/when they get here may need to be determined. They may be trying to join a larger family group here and be relying on Human Rights legislation, or making an asylum claim, and those need to be considered which can take days up to months. That’s why I prefer to stop them coming in the first place.

I agree with your second paragraph though; most don’t have a valid claim and should have claimed asylum as soon as they got off the lorry.

You say they’d go back to France but in Kessler’s scenario France won’t accept them. We now know without question what your answer is. Let them starve in the Channel.

I’m sure your parents brought you up better than that Jeff.
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And to stop them coming in the first place we need to put our foot down and send them all back to france. As simple as that.

Theyd stop making the journey just like australlia.

I was brought up to love my country and fellow citizens.

Not illegals.
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Surely with it being a busy shipping lane it’ll end up like a massive game of frogger. Sooner or later they’ll get sunk by a passing tanker or Russian submarine. Everyone’s a winner. Could even make sections of channel and play a live game of battleships v the French. Losers have to take any survivors.
  1. 09-09-2020 11:29
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We need to stop them leaving France Jeff. And we need to work to stop them leaving other countries to get to France.
  1. 09-09-2020 12:12
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Finally something we can agree on.

They are only going to france to hopefully get into Britain for the benefits and the free tour around liverpool stadium.

We need to discourage them coming by the threat that they will be all sent back.

I dont think theyd make the dangerous journey if theres a chance they will be turned around.

It's worked elsewhere, no reason it cant work here.

Maybe Tony Abbott will give Boris a few tips on how to sort the border out.
  1. 09-09-2020 12:21
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That was the most bizarre PMQs I’ve ever seen in my life.

My neck hurts with the amount of shaking it’s done and my head hurts with the amount of head banging.
  1. 09-09-2020 14:18
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At last we have someone on this Board who I can align with-welcome Jeffbateman, a voice of reason amongst the luvvies and wokes.
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I agree with Jeff completely on this as well.
Do you agree with his Coronovirus stuff also laffy?

We need to get tough on illegal immigration. These dinghy people are coming from France and in a lot of cases have been refused asylum there or coming here for the benefits, after their asylum case has been heard and favoured.

I’d like to see more legal refugees here though, we should take our fair share. Illegals should never be allowed to settle in our country once been in France.

As for PMQs Starmer wiped the floor with Boris today.
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You agree with Jeff completely? In answer to a question from Kessler He currently has an increasing number of migrants in small boats corralled in the middle of the Channel where he’s happy for them to stay. Are you sure Mullen?
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Illegal immigrants.

Where do you want to put them, posh hotels like they are currently that the majority of people can’t afford?

I’d set up an illegal immigration camp and put them in there. Safe/comfy but no luxuries until there case is heard.
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British Immigration Minister Chris Philp will meet with his French opposites next week.

Philp has said he wants migrants caught crossing the Channel to be fingerprinted and face “real consequences”, including deportation or being taken into custody for breaking the law.

In an article for the Telegraph, he wrote: “These crossings are not only dangerous and illegal, but totally unnecessary.”

“Migrants who set off from France have travelled through safe EU states with well-run asylum systems,” he wrote. “Genuine refugees should claim asylum there, not risk their lives at the hands of criminals, and break the law by seeking to enter the UK by illicit means. The government is determined to make this route unviable.”

“Illegal migrants need to be fingerprinted so they know that once detected, they face real consequences if they try to cross again. This will help us break up the gangs that facilitate these crossings,” he wrote.
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This illegal immigration thing is just a distraction by the right to deflect people from the shit job this government is doing
  1. 09-09-2020 17:56
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Mullen - I’ve addressed all those issues over the last few days, I won’t go over it again. I actually don’t mind what Jeff says that the Minister said, it’s in the Daily Mail style - scare as many people as you can with half the truth. Migrants are already fingerprinted when they come to notice, though there aren’t enough of the fingerprint machines on the front lines. He’s talking tough which is a good thing though so I applaud that. I’d also favour your camps idea. If a person claims that he/she has fled because of persecution for a Convention reason then he/she will be safer in a secure, guarded location. It will stop unscrupulous gangmasters taking advantage of them too
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British immigration minister wrong to call them illegal too?
  1. 09-09-2020 18:54
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Depends on what he means. They were illegal in France, so he’s right. They’ll be illegal in the UK in certain circumstances so he’s partly right. It all depends who they are. I mean, they might be British holidaymakers trying to get back quietly and avoid the quarantine.












































Yes, Jeff, I’m joking.
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These crossings are not only dangerous and illegal, but totally unnecessary.”

He means crossing the english channel is illegal.

But you know better than him I suppose.
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Why are they unnecessary?
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Read his statement in a previous comment.
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These crossings are not only dangerous and illegal, but totally unnecessary.”

He means crossing the english channel is illegal.

But you know better than him I suppose.


I used to advise Ministers Jeff.
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I used to advise Ministers Jeff.


Which church would that be then.....
  1. 09-09-2020 22:48
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Jeff, like some of your ilegal (sic) imigrunts (sic again) you are plainly out of your depth - please give it up as a bad job and comment on something you do know about.
  1. 09-09-2020 22:52
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Wind your neck in Griff.

I'm going to bed as I cant possibly be right seen as though your an ex government immigration minister advisor hahahaha

Night.

topstepwhinger great input to the debate there. Stunning and brave, well done to you sir.
  1. 10-09-2020 06:54
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You're welcome Jeff.
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Wind your neck in Griff.

I'm going to bed as I cant possibly be right seen as though your an ex government immigration minister advisor hahahaha

Night.

topstepwhinger great input to the debate there. Stunning and brave, well done to you sir.





Jeff, I just posted that, which was true, to make you think. Government Ministers are politicians, not experts.
  1. 10-09-2020 08:27
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This new daily testing plan that Boris mentioned yesterday is a load of bollocks according to the experts. :(
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This new daily testing plan that Boris mentioned yesterday is a load of bollocks according to the experts. :(


It’ll let you know if your pregnant in 15 mins though Nobby.
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Sorry Griff, I did not realise you were an expert.

Just something about boat loads of foreigners rocking up on another countries shores every day doesnt seem very legal.
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Sorry Griff, I did not realise you were an expert.

Just something about boat loads of foreigners rocking up on another countries shores every day doesnt seem very legal.


Check what I said above, Jeff. I disclaimed being an expert, I just have some experience. And I simply wouldn’t trust anything said by a politician as a soundbyte. I’ve explained about legality before but you just deny anything I say. In your world, something is illegal just because you say it is.
  1. 10-09-2020 09:59
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No, illegal because they are going the wrong way around entering the country.
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You might also want to look at this, especially The first section and the bit under ‘teminology’

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration
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The only real issue at the moment is Covid and cost. The Government will be borrowing money like confetti, numbers that make the banking crash look like half day closing. We (as a Country ) can ill-afford being seen to pay for 000's of refugees when we have a political argument regarding child poverty and the homeless already.

We have some dark days ahead which will lead to some unrest, then an extreme political group will hijack the unrest to target their own cause.The perfect storm is brewing with unemployment, Covid, BLM, immigration,brexit, testing and track and trace, pubs/sports/social restrictions which can, and will get worse unless the infection rate shows a quick drop.

The National house building programme and HS2 as a economic stimulant may have the opposite effect as Bank risk profiles change again due to the uncertainty. The knock-on could be falling house prices, and money becoming difficult to borrow again.

Uncertain times ahead, the normal recommendation is sit tight, mine would be sell if you're thinking of doing so.

Other than that, things are great.....:D
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There are campaigns discouraging the use of the term "illegal immigrant", generally based on the argument that the act of immigrating illegally does not make the people themselves illegal, but rather they are "people who have immigrated illegally".

Okay they are people who have immigrated illegally, making them now....illegal immagrants. Hahahah couldn't make it up what you write on here sometimes. Hahaha

Lol

And this comes from an ex immigration minister advisor? Your right, your not an expert.
  1. 10-09-2020 11:16
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Jeff, your first paragraph contradicts your second paragraph.

I thought you might have picked up on some more interesting content, but, heigh ho.
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The first paragraph was a quote from the link you just left hahahaha lol

People who immigrate illegally = illegal immagrants.

Your woke political correct way to label these illegals is very embarrassing.
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If you’re quoting something, Jeff, you put it in quotation marks. You chose not to, just a couple of phrases were in QMs, so you were presenting the rest as a statement. That included the bit where you said that the act of immigrating illegally does not make the people themselves illegal. Then in paragraph 2 you said that they were, hence the contradiction. You can hahaha lol me as much as you like Jeff but I told you above about the importance of semantics but you continue to play fast and loose with the English language.

The conjecture that the act of immigrating illegally does not make the people themselves illegal is what I’ve been saying all along Jeff. You, on the other hand, have been calling them “illegals” without exception, so perhaps you can now see why I’ve been pulling you up on it. I’ll say it one more time for old times sake. They become “illegals” when on arrival they make no attempt to regularise their position by contacting the relevant authorities and claiming asylum or evidence that they have a right to remain for another reason.
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1st paragraph was just copy and pasted.

Call them what you like, I give up, but they should not be coming here the way they are. They are exploiting loopholes in our immagration system that needs totally sorted out.

Come with money and a job lined up(if there is any left in a few months time) and a proper and tough background check and I'll be the first to welcome you to the greatest country in the world.
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1st paragraph was just copy and pasted.

Call them what you like, I give up, but they should not be coming here the way they are. They are exploiting loopholes in our immagration system that needs totally sorted out.

Come with money and a job lined up(if there is any left in a few months time) and a proper and tough background check and I'll be the first to welcome you to the greatest country in the world.


I’ve only one thing to say about that Jeff.

I completely agree.
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