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AND THE BODIES DID PILE HIGH

Congratulations to Boris and his cronies.... the countries been conned again

" You can shout the Tories are evil sleazebags etc. all you want - it wont work."

Looks like you were the one conned CS - you fall under this category.

The Labour Party has done OK is Wales, so maybe they should change the party name to 'Plaid Labour ' and build back from there.

They could insist that everything in the Houses of Parliament is interpreted into Welsh, and also insist Welsh Rarebit and Crawl are on the House of Commons Menus.

I think North of the Border, Nickerless has had a epiphany, and realises as much as she detests the English, especially Bojo, the rebuilding after Covid is going to cost a few sheckles, and maybe not a good time to cut loose from her paymasters yet.

Alba is going to crash and burn, however I think the Old Perve has a bit of Farage in him, so is unlikely to roll over and die.

Scouser's going for independence is the next one. Leading on a policy of free Heroin to all Liverpool postcodes. McClunky for El Presidente !

Strange elections these. Under fire incumbents at every level, but all performing well (SNP in Scotland, Labour in Wales, Conservatives in England).

Pro-independence majority in Holyrood now confirmed - already 63 SNP and 3 Greens.

Going to be very difficult for Westminster to say no to another referendum, sabre rattling and grandstanding notwithstanding...

Today is a bad day for anybody who believes in the union.

Don't worry, They've had the same SNP/Green pro-independence majority since the last election and done nothing with it. Basically support for it is hovering around 50%, the economists say it'll be ruinous and sturgeon doesn't seem that arsed apart from making noise to appease her supporters. Salmond would be in Downing St now knocking on the door. If anything, it's a disappointing result for them given the brexit / johnson / covid sleaze gifts westminster's given her over the last years

Best possible result for Nippie-no change

Don't worry, They've had the same SNP/Green pro-independence majority since the last election and done nothing with it. Basically support for it is hovering around 50%, the economists say it'll be ruinous and sturgeon doesn't seem that arsed apart from making noise to appease her supporters. Salmond would be in Downing St now knocking on the door. If anything, it's a disappointing result for them given the brexit / johnson / covid sleaze gifts westminster's given her over the last years

The difference this time being that both pro-independence parties stood on a platform of holding a referendum this term. I’d say Sturgeon will take this result as a good one after the Salmond debacle... looks like her standing hasn’t been diminished up there (from the outside looking in, of course).

Going to be very difficult for Westminster to say no to another referendum, sabre rattling and grandstanding notwithstanding...

She’s already had her ‘once in a generation’ go...

Just been reading about 'Wendy's' the American burger joint, didn't know much about them but they have overtaken Burger King in America to go second to McDonalds (wot no Wimpy) and their burgers are square in shape apparently.

They used to have places over here but left the UK market in 2001 after not making much of a dent in the other two's fortunes, but now have planned a comeback and have opened a string of eateries already and plan to open more and employ 12000 people in total.

Nice to have a little bit of good news for a change and they are using the UK to spearhead their European campaign, locally sourced ingredients as well - they seem more of a gourmet burger place than a McDonalds.

Meanwhile, enough with the real news and back to Boris and his wallpaper....

Don't worry, They've had the same SNP/Green pro-independence majority since the last election and done nothing with it. Basically support for it is hovering around 50%, the economists say it'll be ruinous and sturgeon doesn't seem that arsed apart from making noise to appease her supporters. Salmond would be in Downing St now knocking on the door. If anything, it's a disappointing result for them given the brexit / johnson / covid sleaze gifts westminster's given her over the last years

The difference this time being that both pro-independence parties stood on a platform of holding a referendum this term. I’d say Sturgeon will take this result as a good one after the Salmond debacle... looks like her standing hasn’t been diminished up there (from the outside looking in, of course).

Claptrap. She specifically said if SHE got a majority, then she would call a referendum, ignoring the fact that she has no legal powers to do so. It suits her for Boris to say no, as she can use it to bleat to the sheep. Plus of course, she’d lose and be out on her arse.

Don't worry, They've had the same SNP/Green pro-independence majority since the last election and done nothing with it. Basically support for it is hovering around 50%, the economists say it'll be ruinous and sturgeon doesn't seem that arsed apart from making noise to appease her supporters. Salmond would be in Downing St now knocking on the door. If anything, it's a disappointing result for them given the brexit / johnson / covid sleaze gifts westminster's given her over the last years

The difference this time being that both pro-independence parties stood on a platform of holding a referendum this term. I’d say Sturgeon will take this result as a good one after the Salmond debacle... looks like her standing hasn’t been diminished up there (from the outside looking in, of course).

Claptrap. She specifically said if SHE got a majority, then she would call a referendum, ignoring the fact that she has no legal powers to do so. It suits her for Boris to say no, as she can use it to bleat to the sheep. Plus of course, she’d lose and be out on her arse.

Claptrap? So there isn’t a pro-independence majority in Holyrood? Get your head out of the sand.

You’re living in a dream world, where politicians stand by their words.

Here’s a couple of simple facts, whether we like them or not:

1) There is a clear pro-independence majority in Holyrood

2) Sturgeon will at least attempt to use that majority to leverage a further referendum

If Westminster denies that referendum, it will further galvanise the independence argument, leading to a propaganda victory for the nationalists and likely increased support.

They got most seats but still less than half of the population voted for them . She may not mention that bit

They got most seats but still less than half of the population voted for them . She may not mention that bit

There'll be lots of bits she won't mention, like saying before the election if you wanted the snp's policies but not a referendum you should you still vote for her anyways - https://twitter.com/staylorish/status/1389680952998252548

Similarly the green vote supposedly backs a referendum but what if you're a green voter who doesn't support independence? You're still going to vote for them because of their other policies. To not do so would mean the greens were settling for getting only half the vote they could (though of course people who don't give an arse about green issues will vote for them for the independence position but if that outweighs real green votes in that case they cease to be a green party)

So, after this mornings round of TV interviews, it's clear why Labour will never move forward. It has to many factions and suffers from serious disloyalty within.

It looks terminal, there is no way to unify the party in it's current state.

My advice would be to break the party down into three legal entities, Welsh Labour, Scottish Labour and English Labour.

Before they can win the war against the opposition, they need to stop the civil war within.

To many Snowball and Napoleon's and not enough Boxer's at the moment.

Starmer can’t even sack people properly!

He needs to watch Moneyball or Jerry Macguire

So, after this mornings round of TV interviews, it's clear why Labour will never move forward. It has to many factions and suffers from serious disloyalty within.

It looks terminal, there is no way to unify the party in it's current state.

My advice would be to break the party down into three legal entities, Welsh Labour, Scottish Labour and English Labour.

Before they can win the war against the opposition, they need to stop the civil war within.

To many Snowball and Napoleon's and not enough Boxer's at the moment.

Already are. My choice on Thursdays ballot was for the Scottish Labour Party.

The civil war isn't different bits of the UK anyways, but hard core leftists versus pragmatic types

So, after this mornings round of TV interviews, it's clear why Labour will never move forward. It has to many factions and suffers from serious disloyalty within.

It looks terminal, there is no way to unify the party in it's current state.

My advice would be to break the party down into three legal entities, Welsh Labour, Scottish Labour and English Labour.

Before they can win the war against the opposition, they need to stop the civil war within.

To many Snowball and Napoleon's and not enough Boxer's at the moment.

Already are. My choice on Thursdays ballot was for the Scottish Labour Party.

The civil war isn't different bits of the UK anyways, but hard core leftists versus pragmatic types

Same NEC.

You need Regional NEC's a bit like Burnham is indicating (even though he is a rat to the party). The Scousers and he are in accord due to the fact they both had good results, however they could not be more polarised in there views and politics. Burnham hated Corbyn's hard left pull, the Scousers lapped it up.

The Jocks are different again, proud and patriotic, how can they associate with Labour and Momentum ?

Those idealists in power houses (McClunky) will always be a dead weight, well there is an easy way round him and his area, annex it off, let them row their own canoe, but wait a minute, they are the biggest donors to the Party, and there it is in a nutshell.

Don't worry, They've had the same SNP/Green pro-independence majority since the last election and done nothing with it. Basically support for it is hovering around 50%, the economists say it'll be ruinous and sturgeon doesn't seem that arsed apart from making noise to appease her supporters. Salmond would be in Downing St now knocking on the door. If anything, it's a disappointing result for them given the brexit / johnson / covid sleaze gifts westminster's given her over the last years

The difference this time being that both pro-independence parties stood on a platform of holding a referendum this term. I’d say Sturgeon will take this result as a good one after the Salmond debacle... looks like her standing hasn’t been diminished up there (from the outside looking in, of course).

Claptrap. She specifically said if SHE got a majority, then she would call a referendum, ignoring the fact that she has no legal powers to do so. It suits her for Boris to say no, as she can use it to bleat to the sheep. Plus of course, she’d lose and be out on her arse.

Claptrap? So there isn’t a pro-independence majority in Holyrood? Get your head out of the sand.

You’re living in a dream world, where politicians stand by their words.

Here’s a couple of simple facts, whether we like them or not:

1) There is a clear pro-independence majority in Holyrood

2) Sturgeon will at least attempt to use that majority to leverage a further referendum

If Westminster denies that referendum, it will further galvanise the independence argument, leading to a propaganda victory for the nationalists and likely increased support.

I’ll make it easy for you, seeing as you missed it the first time round.
She said ‘if the SNP get a majority, then that is a mandate for a referendum’
The SNP did not get a majority.
She can pass legislation for a referendum as many times as she wants in Holyrood, Section 29 of the Scotland Act does not allow any legislation on reserved matters to become law. She will not go to court as she knows she will 100% lose (although losing in court seems to be a speciality of them) and neither will she hold a ‘wildcat’ referendum.
As you said before ‘looking from the outside’ so assuming you don’t have to live in Scotland.

I didn’t miss it at all, I responded directly to it by pointing out that you’re hugely mistaken if you believe politicians stand by their words. She will (and in fact already has) simply shift the goalposts, and use the pro independence majority to make her case.

I don’t live in Scotland, but like many on here I have family ties across the border as well as friends and associates living there. The independence question matters to me, though obviously not as urgently as to those who live there.

The last thing I want to see is our nation ripped apart. But the “it won’t happen’ approach doesn’t work for me. Your mileage may vary.

Don't worry, They've had the same SNP/Green pro-independence majority since the last election and done nothing with it. Basically support for it is hovering around 50%, the economists say it'll be ruinous and sturgeon doesn't seem that arsed apart from making noise to appease her supporters. Salmond would be in Downing St now knocking on the door. If anything, it's a disappointing result for them given the brexit / johnson / covid sleaze gifts westminster's given her over the last years

The difference this time being that both pro-independence parties stood on a platform of holding a referendum this term. I’d say Sturgeon will take this result as a good one after the Salmond debacle... looks like her standing hasn’t been diminished up there (from the outside looking in, of course).

Claptrap. She specifically said if SHE got a majority, then she would call a referendum, ignoring the fact that she has no legal powers to do so. It suits her for Boris to say no, as she can use it to bleat to the sheep. Plus of course, she’d lose and be out on her arse.

So if she will lose in a referendum why not bring it on. Two defeats in independent referendums would surely make the case for independence far weaker than it is now.

A defeat in another referendum (which will never happen) would render the SNP redundant.

So, would a Government resign ?

You should look at the currency markets-sterling is stronger against the dollar and euro because it now believes the chances of a referendum have receded.I cannot see Elsie doing this in the next 5 years.

Didn't she say once in a generation vote like 5 years ago?

She's living in clown world

Mandellson got it right this morning

Last 11 elections for Labour

Lose,lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose,lose

Of course, Corbyn probably would have won in 2017 if it wasn't for the Blairite saboteurs within the party undermining him and directing resources set for marginal seats to safe seats and so much more. Witness the political assassination that took place the next two years while Johnson hid in a fridge.

Mandellson got it right this morning

Last 11 elections for Labour

Lose,lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose,lose

Of course, Corbyn probably would have won in 2017 if it wasn't for the Blairite saboteurs within the party undermining him and directing resources set for marginal seats to safe seats and so much more. Witness the political assassination that took place the next two years while Johnson hid in a fridge.

Johnson can hide in an airing cupboard for his next trick if he wants to I am not bothered as I would rather vote for him than that IRA loving scumbag any day of the week.

And I always voted Labour in the past, wouldn't now though as they are a disgrace, all they go on about is how to get back into the EU.