Tuesday, 17 December 2019
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That’s a disaster for Johnson.
5 months ago
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#297545
And the real boss, Carrie.
5 months ago
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#297546
Some good news on the political front at last, pity it wasn’t a general election.
Can’t believe there are folk in government trying to play down the significance of this. Sure, by-elections often go against sitting governments, but It’s not any old by-election - it’s one of the safest tory seats going, and it’s never voted for any other party in its history. It’s the equivalent of losing Penrith and the Border - and it’s the second supposedly safe seat they’ve lost this year.

Very, very bad. The Prime Minister is in serious trouble.
5 months ago
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#297549
I can’t believe 12,032 people voted Conservative
5 months ago
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#297550
The big problem with Boris's levelling up agenda for the North is that the rural shires think they are being levelled down and taken for granted. Boris will need to think about supporting rural bus services, grants to insulate country dwellings etc well before the next election.

A bigger problem is we aren't raising enough in tax to pay for the slower growth in the economy, rescuing bust energy companies and the current spending plans. Taxes may have to be raised further despite what has already been said.
5 months ago
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#297551
What I find interesting is the demographic similarities between the North Staffordshire and the Penrith and Border constituencies. Large mainly rural areas, generally farming and small businesses, more elderly population, historically solidly Tory who voted for Brexit but would never vote Labour.

And then the MP’s - Rory Stewart who resigned because he couldn’t work under Boris’s leadership and Owen Patterson a staunch supporter of the leader and his policies until…
5 months ago
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#297554
You can put on as much spin as you like, but in simple terms.


Boris got a firm kick in the goulys. it's the beginning of the end for him.

The LibDem's are in ascension. Look out.

Labour is tom ducked as a Party in it's current form.
5 months ago
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#297555
The big problem with Boris's levelling up agenda for the North is that the rural shires think they are being levelled down and taken for granted. Boris will need to think about supporting rural bus services, grants to insulate country dwellings etc well before the next election.

A bigger problem is we aren't raising enough in tax to pay for the slower growth in the economy, rescuing bust energy companies and the current spending plans. Taxes may have to be raised further despite what has already been said.


Their already are shed loads of grants to insulate houses, and if you haven't got a loft full of insulation free you've missed out.

Rural services are sxxte in general, no pub, post office, shop, filling station what difference is a few buses going to make ?

What can you not do on-line or get delivered ? If you need to go to the doctors you can get a taxi for no more than the price of a bus.

At the moment everyone want's to move out to the Country, however then whinge like fxxx when they get there about the lack of services and stink.

https://cumbria.gov.uk/roads-transport/public-transport-road-safety/transport/commtrans/ruralwheels.asp

The trouble is, as they are subsidised by the Council, they are on the best kept secrets list.
5 months ago
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#297568
Silentone, I don't live in the countryside so I don't know what matters most to rural voters. Public transport always seems to be a gripe. The Tories also picked a very unlikeable candidate. He was an Asian doctor who had turned his back on the NHS to work as a barrister on medical negligence cases.

The Libdems have the great post-Brexit advantage of not having any policies. All they had to do was put up a nice candidate from the area and the votes rolled in.
5 months ago
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#297574
Silentone, I don't live in the countryside so I don't know what matters most to rural voters. Public transport always seems to be a gripe. The Tories also picked a very unlikeable candidate. He was an Asian doctor who had turned his back on the NHS to work as a barrister on medical negligence cases.

The Libdems have the great post-Brexit advantage of not having any policies. All they had to do was put up a nice candidate from the area and the votes rolled in.


Candidate was a decent lady, however this was a massive protest vote, and the Tories ignore it at there peril.

The Lib Dem's will make hay at the expense of Labour (and the Tories) and what were once ' safe as houses ' seats is no longer guaranteed.

Bojo will need to pull a massive rabbit out of the hat to save his skin.

Sending Raynor in to canves did Labour no favours, the are no longer a relative party.

The Tories need a good rattle up, the massive majority has been exploited instead of used for the greater good.

Bojo did a great job of the vaccination roll out, other than that, it's all smoke and mirrors.

You know it's BS when the standard response "we've spent gazillion on this that and the other " is rolled out.

Mind you, we still have no better alternative than the Tories, Starmer is not going to cut the mustard by the look of it. A sad state of affairs.

We need new infrastructure and lots of it, especially branch Railways.

Personally I'm all for getting the prisoners out with a pick and shovel building them, a guaranteed vote winner :D
5 months ago
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#297575
No idea why prisoners aren't used for labour...If you're paying for them anyway, society may as well get some benefit to their crimes instead of packing them off to crime university.


On the wider subject of politics, it's time now to scrap party politics and have a proper go at long term strategies decided by industry. health, education, policing etc and move them out of politics.
Ask the people who do it what's needed and have Proportional Representation for all other matters instead of the Party Political farce that lets buffoons like Johnson and Corbyn anywhere near power.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59699135

"The job of the government is to make people like you [journalists] interested in the booster roll-out and skills and housing and everything else we're doing," he added. "Unfortunately we haven't been able to get the focus on those issues."

No, Prime Minister. That is not the job of the government. Your job is to represent the best interests of the people of this nation, not to manipulate the free press.
5 months ago
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#297582
No idea why prisoners aren't used for labour...If you're paying for them anyway, society may as well get some benefit to their crimes instead of packing them off to crime university.


On the wider subject of politics, it's time now to scrap party politics and have a proper go at long term strategies decided by industry. health, education, policing etc and move them out of politics.
Ask the people who do it what's needed and have Proportional Representation for all other matters instead of the Party Political farce that lets buffoons like Johnson and Corbyn anywhere near power.


You saw how easy Fletcher and Godber escaped in the lakes back in the day. Dont think id want some of their modern day counterparts knocking about :D
5 months ago
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#297584
I wouldn’t write Boris off-he’s an expert at bouncing back and there isn’t much competition to worry about across any of the parties
5 months ago
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#297585
No idea why prisoners aren't used for labour...If you're paying for them anyway, society may as well get some benefit to their crimes instead of packing them off to crime university.


On the wider subject of politics, it's time now to scrap party politics and have a proper go at long term strategies decided by industry. health, education, policing etc and move them out of politics.
Ask the people who do it what's needed and have Proportional Representation for all other matters instead of the Party Political farce that lets buffoons like Johnson and Corbyn anywhere near power.


So you force the price of labour to the point where £10 an hour is the normal wage. But how do you get it lower? Mandatory sentencing. So 2 years for drink-driving. Who is against that? Then you force the people to get up at 6 in the morning and work all day for £5. A father who can't afford food because he was made redundant and his dole money won't come in for 6 weeks, how long in prison? Need a car to get to work but can't afford insurance, 3 months?

Rather unsurprisingly, one of the largest landowners in the US is Bill Gates. On some of his land 80% of the workers are prisoners, he pays $5 an hour. The workers get that a day . 25% of the worlds prisoners are in the US. Steal a tin of beans from Spar, 30 days in prison.

We call it slavery.
5 months ago
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#297594
And….he’s not a Tory
And….he’s not a Tory


He could be Labour, Lib, Green, Reform, Nazi, commie, whatever he likes. As I said, the farce continues.

No idea which way he votes but he’s had a very cosy relationship with three successive tory governments. He’s part of the furniture - and most certainly part of the farce.
5 months ago
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#297758
AS they say about political views\;
No matter what the evidence a lot of people won't change their minds on who they vote for.
Is it now starting to change under Boris "Booster" Johnson?
5 months ago
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#297775
AS they say about political views\;
No matter what the evidence a lot of people won't change their minds on who they vote for.
Is it now starting to change under Boris "Booster" Johnson?


The booster campaign is his life raft.
5 months ago
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#297780
No idea why prisoners aren't used for labour...If you're paying for them anyway, society may as well get some benefit to their crimes instead of packing them off to crime university.


On the wider subject of politics, it's time now to scrap party politics and have a proper go at long term strategies decided by industry. health, education, policing etc and move them out of politics.
Ask the people who do it what's needed and have Proportional Representation for all other matters instead of the Party Political farce that lets buffoons like Johnson and Corbyn anywhere near power.


So you force the price of labour to the point where £10 an hour is the normal wage. But how do you get it lower? Mandatory sentencing. So 2 years for drink-driving. Who is against that? Then you force the people to get up at 6 in the morning and work all day for £5. A father who can't afford food because he was made redundant and his dole money won't come in for 6 weeks, how long in prison? Need a car to get to work but can't afford insurance, 3 months?

Rather unsurprisingly, one of the largest landowners in the US is Bill Gates. On some of his land 80% of the workers are prisoners, he pays $5 an hour. The workers get that a day . 25% of the worlds prisoners are in the US. Steal a tin of beans from Spar, 30 days in prison.

We call it slavery.


If you'd ever worked in prison Marko you'd know that's nit picking at it's finest.
This is not the USA.
Simple answer to that 'great conundrum'? Don't commit crime.
Cant afford car insurance? Relative of mine used to cycle Gilsland to Warwick Bridge and back daily to work because he didn't have a car then...only rich folk did.

A seriously high percentage of our cherubs are definitely not in that class of unfortunate situation at all.
The high majority are people who've cut corners in life because they're too thick to work or they see selling dope as a far easier way to get money quick and get it on their own terms.
Picking litter on roadsides, menial simple jobs nobody wants anyway...fruit picking & veg picking? could solve the labour crisis there.
You don't pay them, you're keeping them.
5 months ago
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#297782
Boris absolutely needs to get an enforcer -all strong businesses have one.Think site manager on a building site-someone kicking walls down when not built properly.

The central problem with politicians is low pay-they get the same as first year qualified lawyers in London which is ridiculous .We have ended up with a load of middle class [censored] in all parties whose opinions were formed in middle of the road universities.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys
5 months ago
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#297784
Boris absolutely needs to get an enforcer -all strong businesses have one.Think site manager on a building site-someone kicking walls down when not built properly.

The central problem with politicians is low pay-they get the same as first year qualified lawyers in London which is ridiculous .We have ended up with a load of middle class [censored] in all parties whose opinions were formed in middle of the road universities.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys


He's doomed, his own team have it in for him.

All this sxxt started when he knocked Rees Mogg's proposal on the head regarding the Patterson affair.

It was only day's before the scandal about his father hit the press, and the sxxt has never stopped flying since.

Thatcher had Tebbit as enforcer, Bojo's ex right hand man is now one of his enemy's.

Can't see him pulling this one off, however, the opposition (or lack of) may allow him to bounce along for a while longer.

He needs a war :D :D :D
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