Tuesday, 17 December 2019
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Now the GE is done and dusted, and with MP’s returning to Parliament today to begin being sworn in, we’ve locked the GE Thread last night, and you can now use this one for any Westminster related stuff.

Anything Brexit related will be moved to the ongoing Brexit Thread!

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4 months ago
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#299469
More parties at Downing Street have been discovered. One just before the Duke of Edinburgh's funeral and we all remember the picture of the Queen at the funeral.

Boris thinks that whatever he does will be alright in the end.

Could this have happened?
Senior adviser to Boris: "Is it all right if we have a party next week in the garden?"
Boris, "No problem, as long we remember to apologize afterwards."
4 months ago
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#299473

More parties at Downing Street have been discovered. One just before the Duke of Edinburgh's funeral and we all remember the picture of the Queen at the funeral.

Boris thinks that whatever he does will be alright in the end.

Could this have happened?
Senior adviser to Boris: "Is it all right if we have a party next week in the garden?"
Boris, "No problem, as long we remember to apologize afterwards."


According to the lady on Question Time, a total of 12 parties were had, not all at Downing Street though.

Self destruction.

However, I wonder how many critics followed all the rules ???

He should have followed Knickerless's agenda and had a sudden problem with amnesia :D
Infowars…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59998988

Is this a genuine report? Or is the US actually establishing a cover for a genuine Ukrainian attack on Russian interests?

Answers on a postcard please.

Why did we let Yeltsin get so bloody pissed up?
4 months ago
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#299510
Welcome Gary Neville a great addition to the team
4 months ago
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#299521
The most interesting thing about the Boris parties is that not one single person, anywhere, in all the multitudes of parties ever said, I'm not coming because I'm frightened I'll get sick. Not one had an old mum at home on an iron lung? So the people with the best information in the country knew it was bollocks, the risk of attending a party was zero.

Russia is not going to invade Ukraine, what for? The Americans need a war, $775bn a year on military expenditure, you can't maintain that unless you use some of it. The EU is accelerating the EU army, Ukraine will be a base for the Americans going forward
The most interesting thing about the Boris parties is that not one single person, anywhere, in all the multitudes of parties ever said, I'm not coming because I'm frightened I'll get sick. Not one had an old mum at home on an iron lung? So the people with the best information in the country knew it was bollocks, the risk of attending a party was zero.

Russia is not going to invade Ukraine, what for? The Americans need a war, $775bn a year on military expenditure, you can't maintain that unless you use some of it. The EU is accelerating the EU army, Ukraine will be a base for the Americans going forward


There’s no evidence to support that first paragraph.

At one of these parties, 30 turned up when 100 had been invited.
4 months ago
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#299527
One reason Putin may not invade Ukraine is the the escalation of tension in Kazakhstan. China's Belt and Road initiative has given it improved access to Almaty the capital. Kazakhstan has huge mineral resources which China needs access to. Arguably China is a more natural partner for Kazakhstan than Russia and would exploit any opportunity to further its interests if Russia is distracted by a pointless skirmish in Ukraine.
4 months ago
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#299531
There are 2 ways to look at Ukraine. As a territory to conquer, there is nothing there. The only reason would be to appease the Russian people. When the USSR broke up Gorbachev was promised NATO would not come to the border of Russia. Obama while putting American paid troops there gave them only defensive weapons. Trump changed that. If America seeks to place rockets that can reach Moscow, Russia may move to defend her borders. As the US would do if Russia put rockets in Canada or Mexico. The wildcard is that Biden owns a whole huge area of eastern Ukraine round Poltava, so he isn't going to want a war on his patch.

China India and Russia are developing a joint military strategy. I don't see Russia and China as rivals. Basically China has manufacturing capacity, Russia has raw materials. Kazakhstan has moved away from Russia culturally in the last 15 years, if they join or work with BRICS I don't think there is any need to do anything. The big Asian area where the US can make political gains is Myanmar, that gives them a foothold between India and China, and the people actually want them.
4 months ago
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#299542
Marko, I don't see the US getting involved in Myanmar. It's far too messy and China is not unhappy with the Burmese military government. The only US involvement I see in South East Asia is possible naval support for Vietnam's claim to the Spratley Islands purely to block China's expansion. Maybe Russia and China are not military rivals but China has clear intentions to bring the Stans into its orbit and reduce the historic Russian presence.
4 months ago
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#299609
I voted Tory in the last GE and probably always will. I didn’t vote for John Stevenson (not a fan), I didn’t vote for Boris Johnson (untrustworthy), I voted for the Conservative Party and for their ideology of rewarding hard work and enterprise. That is the top and bottom of it, I wasn’t gullible, I wasn’t lied to, I’m not stupid, I voted for them because I wanted to vote for them, they’re the party which most closely mirrors my own outlook on life.

Having said that, I’m not one of those blinkered disciples who defends the party no matter what and sees no wrong. Boris has sailed close to the wind a few times during his term but this latest misdemeanour is a step too far, the vast majority of rational thinking people will agree. However, there still appears to be a few (including on here) who, astoundingly, are still trying to defend him. An act nearly as embarrassing as Boris’s own attempt at justifying his glaring hypocrisy.


That’s pretty much my thoughts too. There are many people, including on here, that seem to think working class have to vote Labour and toffs (sic) vote Tory. I have voted for 4 parties in all of the GE since l was 20, for whichever one has policies that l think would be better for the country.
I have a slight chuckle at the lefties that parrot that ‘oh well Blair wasn’t REAL Labour, more Tory light’ then go on to explain that what the country needs is socialism, despite their statement making it 43 years since a ‘real’ Labour Government.
4 months ago
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#299619
Sophie Raiworth interviewing Keir Starmer on bbc 1.

His drinking at work was OK as it wasn’t on the same scale as the Tories.

What a tool.
4 months ago
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#299628
There are 2 ways to look at Ukraine. As a territory to conquer, there is nothing there. The only reason would be to appease the Russian people. When the USSR broke up Gorbachev was promised NATO would not come to the border of Russia. Obama while putting American paid troops there gave them only defensive weapons. Trump changed that. If America seeks to place rockets that can reach Moscow, Russia may move to defend her borders. As the US would do if Russia put rockets in Canada or Mexico. The wildcard is that Biden owns a whole huge area of eastern Ukraine round Poltava, so he isn't going to want a war on his patch.

China India and Russia are developing a joint military strategy. I don't see Russia and China as rivals. Basically China has manufacturing capacity, Russia has raw materials. Kazakhstan has moved away from Russia culturally in the last 15 years, if they join or work with BRICS I don't think there is any need to do anything. The big Asian area where the US can make political gains is Myanmar, that gives them a foothold between India and China, and the people actually want them.



Other than one of the largest in the World with the ability to produce food.
4 months ago
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#299638
Boris will survive-he’s a flawed genius and has got the big calls right.Starmer is just yet another lawyer-ok to drink ‘as not on same scale’

What a pathetic excuse
4 months ago
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#299649
Well, he's definitely flawed!
4 months ago
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#299652
Boris a genius? I don't think so. Bumbling twisted liar is a more accurate description. Like the vast majority of politicians he couldn't lie straight in his bed.
4 months ago
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#299658
Flawed genius or flawed lawyer who twists the meaning of party to exclude de minimis.
4 months ago
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#299661
There are 2 ways to look at Ukraine. As a territory to conquer, there is nothing there. The only reason would be to appease the Russian people. When the USSR broke up Gorbachev was promised NATO would not come to the border of Russia. Obama while putting American paid troops there gave them only defensive weapons. Trump changed that. If America seeks to place rockets that can reach Moscow, Russia may move to defend her borders. As the US would do if Russia put rockets in Canada or Mexico. The wildcard is that Biden owns a whole huge area of eastern Ukraine round Poltava, so he isn't going to want a war on his patch.

China India and Russia are developing a joint military strategy. I don't see Russia and China as rivals. Basically China has manufacturing capacity, Russia has raw materials. Kazakhstan has moved away from Russia culturally in the last 15 years, if they join or work with BRICS I don't think there is any need to do anything. The big Asian area where the US can make political gains is Myanmar, that gives them a foothold between India and China, and the people actually want them.



Other than one of the largest in the World with the ability to produce food.




Russia is the world's largest wheat exporter
4 months ago
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#299662
There are 2 ways to look at Ukraine. As a territory to conquer, there is nothing there. The only reason would be to appease the Russian people. When the USSR broke up Gorbachev was promised NATO would not come to the border of Russia. Obama while putting American paid troops there gave them only defensive weapons. Trump changed that. If America seeks to place rockets that can reach Moscow, Russia may move to defend her borders. As the US would do if Russia put rockets in Canada or Mexico. The wildcard is that Biden owns a whole huge area of eastern Ukraine round Poltava, so he isn't going to want a war on his patch.

China India and Russia are developing a joint military strategy. I don't see Russia and China as rivals. Basically China has manufacturing capacity, Russia has raw materials. Kazakhstan has moved away from Russia culturally in the last 15 years, if they join or work with BRICS I don't think there is any need to do anything. The big Asian area where the US can make political gains is Myanmar, that gives them a foothold between India and China, and the people actually want them.



Other than one of the largest in the World with the ability to produce food.




Russia is the world's largest wheat exporter


Ukraine has the highest proportion of land devoted to wheat production.
4 months ago
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#299934
The Tories are Revolting
4 months ago
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#299936
Flawed Genius ... ?????
Hahahahahah.....some people just make up a story in their own heads, and can't be derailed...
Jesus ..!!
Then its usually followed up with " what about " ..

That .... what about ....
must be like a childs dummy ..

Flawed Genius Hahaha give me strength !!
4 months ago
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#299945
Bad day for Bojo. Starmer has the initiative, let's see if he can do anything with it.
Bad day for Bojo. Starmer has the initiative, let's see if he can do anything with it.


I’m afraid Starmer doesn’t need to do anything. Every day BJ spends as PM takes Labour closer to victory at the next GE. The party is ripping the PM to shreds, and the foundations of the ‘red wall’ are being rebuilt as we speak.

For the good of his party - and his country - Johnson needs to take the advice dished out by David Davis… “in the name of god, go”
4 months ago
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#299953
Bad day for Bojo. Starmer has the initiative, let's see if he can do anything with it.


I’m afraid Starmer doesn’t need to do anything. Every day BJ spends as PM takes Labour closer to victory at the next GE. The party is ripping the PM to shreds, and the foundations of the ‘red wall’ are being rebuilt as we speak.

For the good of his party - and his country - Johnson needs to take the advice dished out by David Davis… “in the name of god, go”


What red wall ?

The ex Labour supporters who voted for the Tories did so because of Corbyn, not Bojo, if they had kicked Corbyn out, there maybe wouldn't have been the Exodus.

Starmer has done little to improve things, other than purge the antisemites. His enemy's are within, not without.

If Labour want to make progress, the best thing they can do is keep Bojo in place, as at the moment he is a liability.
4 months ago
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#299990
Your right Silent one, .. keeping BJ in place would probably be a good strategy from a Labour point of view
( though it wouldn't be good for the country )
But if he went , ... who else is there ?
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