Tuesday, 17 December 2019
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Now the GE is done and dusted, and with MP’s returning to Parliament today to begin being sworn in, we’ve locked the GE Thread last night, and you can now use this one for any Westminster related stuff.

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1 month ago
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#309445
They will get rid of Boris a year to six months before the next election, blame everything bad since Brexit on him and present a new leader as change. He'll be PM until then. It's worked well for them before, no reason they won't at least try this approach again. Might actually work as well.
1 month ago
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#309448
They will get rid of Boris a year to six months before the next election, blame everything bad since Brexit on him and present a new leader as change. He'll be PM until then. It's worked well for them before, no reason they won't at least try this approach again. Might actually work as well.


I would have agreed prior to the local elections, but he survived pretty well, and not much (if any) worse than any Government mid-term.

It's now all about poll's, the Sue Gray report is toothless, and not the hangman's noose everyone expected, so it's down to the left wing media to drum up more dirt to see if it sticks. I have the feeling that the constant daily reporting about parties has p'd many people off, and has worked in Bojo's favour.

The trouble is, most of the press probably broke some of the Covid regulations, and would all be dead, if hypocrisy was a killer disease.

If wine and cheese in the No 10 garden was seen as a work related event (as per the Sue Gray report) then Starmer is also off the hook.

So, all in all the whole charade has been a waste of taxpayers money - again !
1 month ago
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#309460
Time to move on-Boris has dodged a bullet again.He may look stupid and thoughtless but he’s head and shoulders above the competition and Starmer was pulling his punches today.

The left wing press really are appalling-putting off clever people from service with their woke and forensic holier than thou crap
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61578596

Says it all.

"Best of luck - a complete non story but better than them focusing on our drinks (which we seem to have got away with)."

‘After the invite was sent out for that 20 May event, when meetings outdoors were allowed with one other person, Mr Reynolds was warned by a special adviser via WhatsApp that a Covid press conference was due to end around the same time. "Just to flag that the press conference will probably be finishing around that time, so helpful if people can be mindful of that as speakers and cameras are leaving, not walking around waving bottles of wine etc." Mr Reynolds replied: "Will do my best!…"

In a separate warning to Mr Reynolds, former No 10 director of communications Lee Cain warned via email that an event was potentially risky from a public perception perspective, given Covid rules at the time. His email read: "I'm sure it will be fine - and I applaud the gesture - but a 200 odd person invitation for drinks in the garden of no 10 is somewhat of a comms [communications] risk in the current environment."’

There’s a whole bunch more in this article which makes it clear that they knew what they were doing was against their own rules. Quite frankly they took the absolute piss whilst folk died alone due to the rest of us following the rules set by our government.

There is no mitigation. This has infuriated folk who have no political allegiance, and even some who are otherwise ardent supporters of the Conservative Party.

It’s telling that those who try to defend it are usually the most partisan fans of the leader of the cult, who it seems are now on the same level as the Corbynites who never saw the failings of their own cult leader. Ultimately it doesn’t matter whether Johnson survives this crisis - the damage this has done to the party will only truly be seen in the years to come. My belief is that Johnson has potentially caused as much damage to the prospects of the party as Corbyn did to Labour.

I hope Starmer has the integrity to follow up on his pledge to resign if/when he falls foul of the police investigation he’s subject to. Either way, there’s no way I’ll be voting blue or red at the next GE.
1 month ago
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#309467
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61578596

Says it all.

"Best of luck - a complete non story but better than them focusing on our drinks (which we seem to have got away with)."

‘After the invite was sent out for that 20 May event, when meetings outdoors were allowed with one other person, Mr Reynolds was warned by a special adviser via WhatsApp that a Covid press conference was due to end around the same time. "Just to flag that the press conference will probably be finishing around that time, so helpful if people can be mindful of that as speakers and cameras are leaving, not walking around waving bottles of wine etc." Mr Reynolds replied: "Will do my best!…"

In a separate warning to Mr Reynolds, former No 10 director of communications Lee Cain warned via email that an event was potentially risky from a public perception perspective, given Covid rules at the time. His email read: "I'm sure it will be fine - and I applaud the gesture - but a 200 odd person invitation for drinks in the garden of no 10 is somewhat of a comms [communications] risk in the current environment."’

There’s a whole bunch more in this article which makes it clear that they knew what they were doing was against their own rules. Quite frankly they took the absolute piss whilst folk died alone due to the rest of us following the rules set by our government.

There is no mitigation. This has infuriated folk who have no political allegiance, and even some who are otherwise ardent supporters of the Conservative Party.

It’s telling that those who try to defend it are usually the most partisan fans of the leader of the cult, who it seems are now on the same level as the Corbynites who never saw the failings of their own cult leader. Ultimately it doesn’t matter whether Johnson survives this crisis - the damage this has done to the party will only truly be seen in the years to come. My belief is that Johnson has potentially caused as much damage to the prospects of the party as Corbyn did to Labour.

I hope Starmer has the integrity to follow up on his pledge to resign if/when he falls foul of the police investigation he’s subject to. Either way, there’s no way I’ll be voting blue or red at the next GE.







But Starmer won't, he will get away with it as well, If not, then there are double standards if the gathering in No 10 was work related,

One thing the whole charade has highlighted is the need for some self-discipline in the corridors of power.

The elephant in the room that has saved Bojo is, many, many people broke lockdown rules, look at all the protests and other MP's that ignored them and got away with it.

Especially this gob-sxxte ! he did the same as Cummings, the demanded his resignation.....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1288182/Ian-blackford-coronavirus-lockdown-snp-news-dominic-cummings-resign
1 month ago
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#309471
Sunak is the one who has been stitched up in all of this. He turns up for a legit work meeting early, goes into a nearby room to see what's going on, says hello for a few minutes, leaves and goes to his meeting. And that was illegal apparently. Get the feeling if he'd challenged that it would have been thrown out, but bad political optics to do so.
1 month ago
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#309481
The photo of him giving a toast at the leaving do does show that hw lied to parliament.
He maybe can get away with saying it was work related and he was only there for a short time, but no-one there was social distancing and no-one was wearing a mask and there was not a mask anywhere in sight.
Yet he said that covid rules were followed at all times and there were no parties.
1 month ago
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#309485
You didn't have to wear a mask in an office to be fair.
1 month ago
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#309492
Couldn’t lie straight in bed any of them.

You’ll not catch me voting again!
1 month ago
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#309500
You didn't have to wear a mask in an office to be fair.


Sorry, I didn't realize that if you worked in an office you didn't need to wear a face mask. In my work environment (not an office) I was told that I had to wear a face covering.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61591517.amp

Easy to miss with yesterday's headlines.

£5 billion universal credit fraud! Massive figure About time this shambolic government got a grip.
1 month ago
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#309554
The tories have totally lost the plot. I'm sure that people who voted Conservative never voted for the current shambles. Corbyn couldn't have been any worse. Now another give away for fuel bills. Don't forget, it's our money, not free money. I can see a call to the IMF in a few years time. I pity the younger generation.
1 month ago
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#309555
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61591517.amp

Easy to miss with yesterday's headlines.

£5 billion universal credit fraud! Massive figure About time this shambolic government got a grip.


Soon it'll reach 1/7th of the tax lost due to transfers to offshore jurisdictions. That ignores the tax due on income that subsequently arises.
Strangely Osborne and Cameron with over £150m in offshore trusts did everything possible to maintain that process. Johnson firing all the tax investigators will obviously make the situation better, every pound spent in investigations yields over £80 in recovered tax.

Just licensed thieves


British PM David Cameron personally requested that offshore trusts be excluded from an EU-led crackdown on tax avoidance, the Financial Times reports. The 2013 letter addressed to Herman Van Rompuy is still available on the government website. Cameron's father was named in the Panama Papers.
https://euobserver.com/tickers/132957
1 month ago
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#309557
Couldn't have been worse under Corbyn? Don't make me laugh.

How is everything the Governments fault? How about blaming the criminal gangs and the minority of claimants who are screwing any new system brought in to help the less well off. It's always the same, the unscrupulous and opportunists always spoil things for the majority. Yes probably more resources could and probably will be thrown into stopping the fraud - it shouldn't be necessary, but unfortunately it always will be as the crooks always seem one step ahead.

Regarding the measures brought in to help with fuel bills - I don't see much difference between what we are doing and what other European countries are doing tbh.
1 month ago
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#309558
The eye watering stat I read was that 8m in this country are on means tested support.
1 month ago
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#309559
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61591517.amp

Easy to miss with yesterday's headlines.

£5 billion universal credit fraud! Massive figure About time this shambolic government got a grip.


Soon it'll reach 1/7th of the tax lost due to transfers to offshore jurisdictions. That ignores the tax due on income that subsequently arises.
Strangely Osborne and Cameron with over £150m in offshore trusts did everything possible to maintain that process. Johnson firing all the tax investigators will obviously make the situation better, every pound spent in investigations yields over £80 in recovered tax.

Just licensed thieves


British PM David Cameron personally requested that offshore trusts be excluded from an EU-led crackdown on tax avoidance, the Financial Times reports. The 2013 letter addressed to Herman Van Rompuy is still available on the government website. Cameron's father was named in the Panama Papers.
https://euobserver.com/tickers/132957


Corruption, the scourge of the World, Marko your spot on. a whole raft of shenanigans ranging from bribery, diversion of public funds etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.....

The UK is in a lowly eleventh place with a score of 77/100 alongside the likes of Canada, Honk Kong and Australia, the Yanks are down in 25th, the cheating bxxxrds.

Hold on , what about your Pals ? Belarus, oh dear, way down in 63rd place, but what about the Ruskies ? 129th place !!! alongside Malawi and Laos with a score of 30/100

What does Wiki say:


"Corruption is perceived as a significant problem in Russia,[1] impacting various aspects of life, including the economy,[2] business,[3] public administration,[4] law enforcement,[5][6] healthcare,[7][8] and education.[9] The phenomenon of corruption is strongly established in the historical model of public governance, and attributed to general weakness of rule of law in the country.[1] Russia was the lowest rated European country in Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index for 2021; ranking 136th out of 180 countries.[10]"

No 1 is Denmark with a score of 88/100, however they don't have the City of London's financial monster of investors and accountants dodging, diving and weaving.

It's a funny old World............


https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2020/index/dnk
1 month ago
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#309562
So its ok for Johnson to steal money? Or rather just fire all the tax inspectors, so tax becomes optional?
What is your point?
1 month ago
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#309564
Well, if there has to be a point, I suppose it's that dodgy accountants and politicians in the UK, are much less dodgy than those in Russia, by a mile...........

Or, maybe if we got rid of all the dodgy accountants, then the World would be a much better place.
1 month ago
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#309565
What have accountants got to do with the thieving scumbag in no 10? No accountant made him lie to the queen. We set up the procurement rules so that he couldn't just half inch the cash, so he suspended the rules. A pandemic so dangerous to human health, he re-enacted Animal House every day! If someone is fundamentally dishonest, you can't pin the blame on anyone else except the idiots who vote for him.
1 month ago
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#309572
FRC dishes out discipline

In the UK, the Big Four all fell short of the Competition and Markets Authority’s quality audit requirements during 2019, with none of the firms able to surpass the watchdog’s 90% ‘good quality audit’ target.

Separately, many of the Big Four also found themselves at the centre of both the CMA and FRC’s wrath throughout the year. Deloitte’s past mistakes with its 2009 – 2011 audits of Autonomy have finally come to a head, with the FRC holding a tribunal to determine what punishments to inflict on the powerhouse for its “recklessness.”

In July, Deloitte UK was also fined £6.5m by the FRC for its 2011 and 2012 audit of Serco’s Geografix division, after admitting misconduct. The firm’s audit engagement partner for Serco Geografix, Ross Howard, was also made to pay £78,000 and was reprimanded for the 2012 audit.

Additionally, KPMG was fined £5m by the FRC in 2019 for a separate matter, where a £1.5m black hole was found in the accounts of the Co-Op Bank – which KPMG had audited for 40 years, before this discovery forced the bank to move to EY. While these initial scandals happened years back, the punishment is only just being delivered.

Meanwhile, PwC had to swallow a bitter pill about its Redcentric audits, admitting its mistakes to the FRC and receiving a £4.55m fine in return. Additionally, two PwC partners were each fined £200,000 for their part in the audit, which was negotiated down to £140,000 apiece.

Household names find errors galore

Of course, nobody can forget EY’s experience with now-defunct Thomas Cook, where after taking over for PwC in 2017, numerous auditing mistakes were found to contribute to the travel company’s September demise.

Another household name, the trucking company Eddie Stobart, found itself halting stock sales in August after a £2m accounting-based error was found in its 2018 accounts. While the specific mistake was never publicly announced, it led the chief executive to step down from his position in August and affected the company’s stock for months.

In December, luxury fashion chain Ted Baker discovered its stock value was overstated by up to £25m in a severe blow to its auditor, KPMG. Upon this discovery, the fashion chain announced an independent review into the issue with a law firm and independent auditors.

How have these scandals affected the industry?

As these scandals have progressed, more attention has been placed on the accountancy industry as a whole – not just the Big Four. As such, it’s important to learn from the mistakes of others and turn a critical eye to one’s own business.

Public reputation is incredibly important, especially in a business that revolves around handling a client’s finances. Once that reputation is damaged, it’s difficult to rebuild that client trust.

While not impossible, it takes PR prowess and, normally, a great deal of money – and a more economical way to handle it is to never have made those mistakes in the first place. Being aware of a firm’s finance knowledge, employee skills and company culture are all an important part of staying on top.

If a junior staff member complains about harassment, the ethical thing to do is investigate it and handle it promptly, rather than delaying an investigation for months. Likewise, if a mistake is found in an audit, address it immediately with the proper regulatory bodies and clients instead of trying to cover it up.

However, there are positives to these situations, as well. When someone is faced with fine, the expectation is they will actively try to avoid receiving another fine in the future – something that the FRC has banked on and has worked for several lower-level mistakes in 2019.

Additionally, mistakes within the Big Four have opened up the door for small and mid-tier firms to show their abilities to potential clients. Some FTSE 250 companies moved their audit to mid-tier firms following a slew of Big Four scandals, and one even gave their business to an objectively small firm.

Overall, these scandals allow the industry to learn from itself and work harder in the future to be better than it was. It creates a difficult situation, but one that doesn’t have to spell doom and gloom for the accounting industry.

Of course, those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.


Cowboys and dodgy dealing, costing the exchequer and tax payers hundreds of millions in revenue. !!!!

The rot, starts at the top.

Mistakes my axxe.
1 month ago
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#309573
The eye watering stat I read was that 8m in this country are on means tested support.

What concerns me more is the number of people doing dead-end jobs such as Deliveroo riders. These people are never going to earn enough to pay for the NHS when I need it. The population increasingly want hand-outs rather than paying tax. We seem to be drifting into a low-value added economy based on fast food and laziness. The Tories will get hammered at the next election over their wasteful spending during the pandemic. The government over-ordered PPE by around £10bn, so much so that we have to pay for it to be kept in China as well as having hundreds of containers full of the stuff in Felixstowe.
1 month ago
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#309590
Marko in overdrive-why don’t you invite Putin over to the Commons and give us a lecture on tax evasion in Cyprus and Switzerland
1 month ago
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#309595
Good to see the Tory boys in full deflection. KPMG got fined, so what. Johnson is still a lying thieving scum bag.
Most middle class in Russia pay their tax, income tax is 13% with no NIC, why not just pay it? CGT applies to houses for example, but if you own an asset for 3 years it drops to 0%, so just stay put for 3 years. All utilities including council tax £100 a month, metro trains every 7 minutes in major cities.
It's only in Britain where you pay 50% then a grand a month in council tax only to have them refuse to take your rubbish away, [censored]. But I've forgotten about that
1 month ago
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#309598
Good to see the Tory boys in full deflection. KPMG got fined, so what. Johnson is still a lying thieving scum bag.
Most middle class in Russia pay their tax, income tax is 13% with no NIC, why not just pay it? CGT applies to houses for example, but if you own an asset for 3 years it drops to 0%, so just stay put for 3 years. All utilities including council tax £100 a month, metro trains every 7 minutes in major cities.
It's only in Britain where you pay 50% then a grand a month in council tax only to have them refuse to take your rubbish away, [censored]. But I've forgotten about that


Yes, it's so great in Russia, they've all moved here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/28/tensions-rise-at-the-3bn-surrey-estate-russian-oligarchs-call-home
Boris changing the ministerial code to save his own backside. Is there anything this scrotum won't do. Just a joke to Laffy, however despite voting Tory many times, I certainly won't while he is in charge.
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