The Politics Thread

For [censored] sake - can some people not wait and see what happens and moan if it is bad?

I for one will hold my hand up if it does go tits and admit to being wrong but as yet there is nothing really to be right or wrong about.

The train has left the station.

The appetite for discussing brexit has diminished.

If you are worried about the fishermen try sucking a fishermans friend, calm you down.

Ha ha. Really Denton. It has only just begun. Enjoy the relaxing transition year, as when the 10s of thousands of job losses rack up thereafter, all the unemployed Brexit voters can suck it up, and us "remoaners" will be there every step of the way to say we told you so.

We are leaving the customs union and single market - which bit of there will be consequences do you not get?

Cue the "You lost, get over it" jibes.

And when he thinks of those that will benefit, who actually benefits? The people on the factory or shop floor earning £15k a year or the Board earning £300k and slating half of it offshore, tax-free?

Pay people through consulting fees into offshore accounts and the tax is 0%. All the big consulting firms have their payment centres in Belgium and the Netherlands now so HMRC can't inspect their records. Twenty or thirty grand for a wee consulting gig in Kosovo, paid offshore just saved yourself £12k in tax. No bad eh? The contract between the company and the client, all legal in the UK. Couldn't do it without Boris of course.

Boris doesn't allow these loopholes for people earning £15k of course.

Hope your right ... but if not ..
Tell that to the fans that have lost the breadwinner

Be interested to know in what industries/sectors you think these job losses will come in?

Considering that 70% of British employers don't actively trade with the EU countries.

And please don't roll out the old favourite of car manufacturing because it's pretty well known now that a deal has already been done and the only real losers on both sides will be the ignorant shits rich enough who insist on buying a foreign car who will pay a couple of grand extra in import duty but when its rolled into the credit agreement I doubt they will even notice.

And please don't then go on the likes of what used to be Vauxhall at Ellesmere Port that plant will be closing whatever happens and its nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit that's simply being used as an excuse by its failing international ownership and i.m pretty sure there are any number of upcoming compaies who would love to take over a fully eqpt governmet backed car manufacturing plant even if it is located on Merseyside.

Pay people through consulting fees into offshore accounts and the tax is 0%. All the big consulting firms have their payment centres in Belgium and the Netherlands now so HMRC can't inspect their records. Twenty or thirty grand for a wee consulting gig in Kosovo, paid offshore just saved yourself £12k in tax. No bad eh? The contract between the company and the client, all legal in the UK. Couldn't do it without Boris of course.

Boris doesn't allow these loopholes for people earning £15k of course.

And that's where I'd say if you're not paying the proper taxes then you aren't doing business here in the UK, and if you decide you're moving your business abroad then fine but we're seizing all your offices and assets that are currently in this country and running it as a people's collective. Because the people in those jobs need an income, they shouldn't go without because the business owner is too greedy and doesn't want to pay his fair share. And before people say that's theft, no it wouldn't be if we passed a law allowing it. It would simply be the working class taking back their own wealth that the rich had previously taken from them.

Pay people through consulting fees into offshore accounts and the tax is 0%. All the big consulting firms have their payment centres in Belgium and the Netherlands now so HMRC can't inspect their records. Twenty or thirty grand for a wee consulting gig in Kosovo, paid offshore just saved yourself £12k in tax. No bad eh? The contract between the company and the client, all legal in the UK. Couldn't do it without Boris of course.

Boris doesn't allow these loopholes for people earning £15k of course.

And that's where I'd say if you're not paying the proper taxes then you aren't doing business here in the UK, and if you decide you're moving your business abroad then fine but we're seizing all your offices and assets that are currently in this country and running it as a people's collective. Because the people in those jobs need an income, they shouldn't go without because the business owner is too greedy and doesn't want to pay his fair share. And before people say that's theft, no it wouldn't be if we passed a law allowing it. It would simply be the working class taking back their own wealth that the rich had previously taken from them.

That's the whole point Kes, it's completely legal. So you are paying the proper amount of tax. And if Cameron and Johnson deliberately design a system that shields their donors from tax where is the incentive for anyone else to do the moral right thing? Or vote for them?

That's a whole philosophical argument. Laffy would argue, if he was a billionaire, he shouldn't have to pay (say) 60% because it disincentivises and he would better reinvest the money himself. I wouldn't want to pay 60%, if I was a billionaire, to the current Government because I believe they will just give it to Rupert Murdoch. The fact is though that the rich don't act consistently in a philanthropic manner and that is why the offshore industry exists.

The role of Government is to design, implement and enforce a fair system. That clearly doesn't exist at the moment and doesn't exist by design.

I thought that we had agreed to wait and see what happens?

Not you though - one sleep later and you revert back to factory settings.

I thought we'd agreed to wait and see ?
What are you ... the opinion police . ?