The Politics Thread

For [censored] sake - can some people not wait and see what happens and moan if it is bad?

I for one will hold my hand up if it does go tits and admit to being wrong but as yet there is nothing really to be right or wrong about.

As will I, if it all goes swimmingly.

For [censored] sake - can some people not wait and see what happens and moan if it is bad?

I for one will hold my hand up if it does go tits and admit to being wrong but as yet there is nothing really to be right or wrong about.

I agree. We voted leave so we should leave. Calls for a second referendum before we've even done Brexit feels like it would be dismissing the referendum just because people don't like the result.

The train has left the station.

The appetite for discussing brexit has diminished.

If you are worried about the fishermen try sucking a fishermans friend, calm you down.

Ha ha. Really Denton. It has only just begun. Enjoy the relaxing transition year, as when the 10s of thousands of job losses rack up thereafter, all the unemployed Brexit voters can suck it up, and us "remoaners" will be there every step of the way to say we told you so.

We are leaving the customs union and single market - which bit of there will be consequences do you not get?

Cue the "You lost, get over it" jibes.

We now have the upper hand over the EU, a shrinking economy.Now they finally realise we have a majority government and have somehow got to find the money we pay in to their protectionist union.

Where are they going to make up that deficit, Albania or Scotland.

Germany won't be keen on expanding the EU to nett takers as opposed to nett contributors.

When we first signed up to the European project it was in a spirit of co-operation not domination.

There are loads of countries who would rather deal with the UK alone as opposed to the EU.

WTO if we have to, bring it on.

So I agree ''You lost, get over it''.

Hope your right ... but if not ..
Tell that to the fans that have lost the breadwinner

Fams

“Not all businesses will benefit from leaving the EU” says the chancellor of the exchequer".

Understatement of the year!

And when he thinks of those that will benefit, who actually benefits? The people on the factory or shop floor earning £15k a year or the Board earning £300k and slating half of it offshore, tax-free?

And when he thinks of those that will benefit, who actually benefits? The people on the factory or shop floor earning £15k a year or the Board earning £300k and slating half of it offshore, tax-free?

And those people earning £15k a year will be on the 20% tax bracket, while Amazon can make over £10 billion and pay just 2% tax on it and apparently that's fair.

Pay people through consulting fees into offshore accounts and the tax is 0%. All the big consulting firms have their payment centres in Belgium and the Netherlands now so HMRC can't inspect their records. Twenty or thirty grand for a wee consulting gig in Kosovo, paid offshore just saved yourself £12k in tax. No bad eh? The contract between the company and the client, all legal in the UK. Couldn't do it without Boris of course.

Boris doesn't allow these loopholes for people earning £15k of course.

Pay people through consulting fees into offshore accounts and the tax is 0%. All the big consulting firms have their payment centres in Belgium and the Netherlands now so HMRC can't inspect their records. Twenty or thirty grand for a wee consulting gig in Kosovo, paid offshore just saved yourself £12k in tax. No bad eh? The contract between the company and the client, all legal in the UK. Couldn't do it without Boris of course.

Boris doesn't allow these loopholes for people earning £15k of course.

And that's where I'd say if you're not paying the proper taxes then you aren't doing business here in the UK, and if you decide you're moving your business abroad then fine but we're seizing all your offices and assets that are currently in this country and running it as a people's collective. Because the people in those jobs need an income, they shouldn't go without because the business owner is too greedy and doesn't want to pay his fair share. And before people say that's theft, no it wouldn't be if we passed a law allowing it. It would simply be the working class taking back their own wealth that the rich had previously taken from them.

Hope your right ... but if not ..
Tell that to the fans that have lost the breadwinner

Be interested to know in what industries/sectors you think these job losses will come in?

Considering that 70% of British employers don't actively trade with the EU countries.

And please don't roll out the old favourite of car manufacturing because it's pretty well known now that a deal has already been done and the only real losers on both sides will be the ignorant shits rich enough who insist on buying a foreign car who will pay a couple of grand extra in import duty but when its rolled into the credit agreement I doubt they will even notice.

And please don't then go on the likes of what used to be Vauxhall at Ellesmere Port that plant will be closing whatever happens and its nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit that's simply being used as an excuse by its failing international ownership and i.m pretty sure there are any number of upcoming compaies who would love to take over a fully eqpt governmet backed car manufacturing plant even if it is located on Merseyside.

And there you have it in a nutshell from an ardent leaver.
The 'rich will not even notice having to spend an extra 2k or so for their new BMW' - no but the rest of us will.
For BMW, substitute almost everything.
Oh, and it is well known that there are British firms queuing up to take over the Ellesmere plant........
Ohx2 can't wait to see these wonderful deals you keep talking about which have already been done.

Pay people through consulting fees into offshore accounts and the tax is 0%. All the big consulting firms have their payment centres in Belgium and the Netherlands now so HMRC can't inspect their records. Twenty or thirty grand for a wee consulting gig in Kosovo, paid offshore just saved yourself £12k in tax. No bad eh? The contract between the company and the client, all legal in the UK. Couldn't do it without Boris of course.

Boris doesn't allow these loopholes for people earning £15k of course.

And that's where I'd say if you're not paying the proper taxes then you aren't doing business here in the UK, and if you decide you're moving your business abroad then fine but we're seizing all your offices and assets that are currently in this country and running it as a people's collective. Because the people in those jobs need an income, they shouldn't go without because the business owner is too greedy and doesn't want to pay his fair share. And before people say that's theft, no it wouldn't be if we passed a law allowing it. It would simply be the working class taking back their own wealth that the rich had previously taken from them.

That's the whole point Kes, it's completely legal. So you are paying the proper amount of tax. And if Cameron and Johnson deliberately design a system that shields their donors from tax where is the incentive for anyone else to do the moral right thing? Or vote for them?

Pay people through consulting fees into offshore accounts and the tax is 0%. All the big consulting firms have their payment centres in Belgium and the Netherlands now so HMRC can't inspect their records. Twenty or thirty grand for a wee consulting gig in Kosovo, paid offshore just saved yourself £12k in tax. No bad eh? The contract between the company and the client, all legal in the UK. Couldn't do it without Boris of course.

Boris doesn't allow these loopholes for people earning £15k of course.

And that's where I'd say if you're not paying the proper taxes then you aren't doing business here in the UK, and if you decide you're moving your business abroad then fine but we're seizing all your offices and assets that are currently in this country and running it as a people's collective. Because the people in those jobs need an income, they shouldn't go without because the business owner is too greedy and doesn't want to pay his fair share. And before people say that's theft, no it wouldn't be if we passed a law allowing it. It would simply be the working class taking back their own wealth that the rich had previously taken from them.

That's the whole point Kes, it's completely legal. So you are paying the proper amount of tax. And if Cameron and Johnson deliberately design a system that shields their donors from tax where is the incentive for anyone else to do the moral right thing? Or vote for them?

By proper amount of tax I don't mean the legal minimum. If you are making over £10 billion then you can afford to pay more than 2% tax on it. It's good if they donate money to charity but their contribution should be based on a tax system that takes account of their wealth, not rely on their whim as to whether or not they will donate money. And if billionaires can't afford more than 2% tax then we really need to examine why people on £15k are expected to pay 20%.

That's a whole philosophical argument. Laffy would argue, if he was a billionaire, he shouldn't have to pay (say) 60% because it disincentivises and he would better reinvest the money himself. I wouldn't want to pay 60%, if I was a billionaire, to the current Government because I believe they will just give it to Rupert Murdoch. The fact is though that the rich don't act consistently in a philanthropic manner and that is why the offshore industry exists.

The role of Government is to design, implement and enforce a fair system. That clearly doesn't exist at the moment and doesn't exist by design.

That's a whole philosophical argument. Laffy would argue, if he was a billionaire, he shouldn't have to pay (say) 60% because it disincentivises and he would better reinvest the money himself. I wouldn't want to pay 60%, if I was a billionaire, to the current Government because I believe they will just give it to Rupert Murdoch. The fact is though that the rich don't act consistently in a philanthropic manner and that is why the offshore industry exists.

The role of Government is to design, implement and enforce a fair system. That clearly doesn't exist at the moment and doesn't exist by design.

If you're a billionaire and you live in a country where people are homeless, you should see it as your responsibility to contribute more in taxes to help tackle that problem.

Dont worry...Mog and his mates will be able to do their deals around the world feathering their nests .... as for the rest of use ..its a gamble!
We might carry on working as we are, or we could lose our jobs and maybe even our houses ...
We'd think either Scotland Wales or Ireland would be crazy to risk cutting off trading with their nearest neighbours ( Us ! )
But it's all cushty, to risk cutting trading with our nearest neighbour's
( The EU !)
But hey , its worth the gamble so Mog and his mates can have a great life.... tell you what , best Trump doesn't get impeached because at the mo we'r reliant on a good deal with the USA...but to trade with them ,what are we going to give up ?
In the meantime , look forward to seeing Bonzo throwing the fisherman and farmers under a bus .

I thought that we had agreed to wait and see what happens?

Not you though - one sleep later and you revert back to factory settings.

I thought we'd agreed to wait and see ?
What are you ... the opinion police . ?

I thought that we had agreed to wait and see what happens?

Not you though - one sleep later and you revert back to factory settings.

If Brexit doesn't work out I don't think any of us would have a problem admitting it hadn't worked. But we voted to leave so we should leave, calling for a second referendum before we've carried out the first one seems very undemocratic, like you lose but you want a second round.

I thought we'd agreed to wait and see ?
What are you ... the opinion police . ?

"Hope your right ... but if not ..
Tell that to the fans that have lost the breadwinner"

Your own opinion you fool.

OP stands for opinion police

Oh, please!

Someone on 15K does not pay 20% on the whole 15K. There is a tax free allowance. Check your tax code to see what it is

Brexit Party MEP worries UK will no longer have a voice in Europe in last EU parliament sitting

“The big question now is, who will be here to hold these people to account while they still control Britain’s waters, but the UK has no representation?”

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