The Politics Thread

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So you won't condemn scroungers then?

I don't know how old you are Kess, but you come across as a very bitter old man. I've had my say I'm off out now to enjoy my life, I suggest you start to live yours. End of

I reckon you can't just blame Kes for this stuff now, constantly responding to this rubbish is just spurring them on.

Kes, I don't really know what your problem(s) is/are.
Many of those who you describe as billionaires/millionaires were once working class themselves. It's just that they probably grafted, made the most of any opportunities that came their way and possibly got la bit of luck along the way.
Yes some were born into money but that in itself is no guarantee of success.
There has probably never been another time where there were as many opportunities out there if people choose to take them. People's grasp of history is either very poor or they look back wearing Piglet's (all current things CUFC) rose rinted spectacles.
It's about decision making, taking responsibility and ditching that feeling of entitlement that so many seem to have.

I couldn't resist sirjim he was getting on my tits, I've had my say that'll do for me. I'll give him one thing he's a stubborn but deluded sod

Same for me on this particular subject - I'm out.

When I was a kid growing up people leaving uni went into white-collar jobs. Within a couple of years, they were on the housing ladder, they could afford a Ford Escort and they had the perspective of career growth. Kids who didn't went to factories, more mundane office jobs but got on the council house list, and they still earned enough to have a least one night a week out.
That was underpinned by a Government system that provided decent transport, schools and medical services.

Wages have fallen over 10% since 2010 and 30% for contractors. Tesco till operators are graduates. Kids without degrees are looking at a life of living hand to mouth. Buying a 3 bedroom semi?! The Tories have slashed every Government service and then having promised an end to austerity have just announced further 5% cuts.

We have post after post about the decline at BP but look around you. Mirrored in everything you see. The saddest thing is that the hope and optimism that used to exist has gone. Who on here actually thinks things are going to get better?

Agree to a point Marko.

I have worked with so many people with degrees that don't do a job connected with their degree and never have!

One lad told me he had a degree in what sounded to me like a decent line of work to get into but he said that it was really poorly paid, he knew this before her did the said degree so he didn't even apply for jobs that he was qualified for so was temping at a company I was working for.

None of me or my friends went to university and we did alright for ourselves, it also depends on the expectancy that you place upon yourself of course and what you are prepared to accept as your lot.

We went out there and made it happen for ourselves and I accept that luck plays a massive part and being in the right place at the right time but one thing is sure enough is that by sitting on your arse at home wondering why you aren't getting any breaks will get you nowhere.

'I like kicking in the gutter and wishing I was lucky' is very appropriate for a lot of todays youth.

Is this subject still going on?

Here Marko-what do you make of Derek Mackay?I reckon there is enough in this to bring wee nippy down

Is this subject still going on?

Here Marko-what do you make of Derek Mackay?I reckon there is enough in this to bring wee nippy down

Yes, because I resent you implying that I'm a troublemaker and that I don't deserve the same opportunities as other employees because I'm a socialist. Political beliefs shouldn't matter in the workplace, you shouldn't think less of an employee because they believe something different than you. It's a bit like discriminating against someone because they are black, their skin colour has no relevance to the job.

You’re a troublemaker so leave me alone thanks

You’re a troublemaker so leave me alone thanks

I'm not a troublemaker, I work hard. I just expect to be treated fairly. In my opinion political beliefs are irrelevant, the important thing is does that employee work well, are they the best person for the job. If they are, it's irrelevant what their personal beliefs are.

You’re a troublemaker so leave me alone thanks

I'm not a troublemaker, I work hard. I just expect to be treated fairly. In my opinion political beliefs are irrelevant, the important thing is does that employee work well, are they the best person for the job. If they are, it's irrelevant what their personal beliefs are.

All this talk Kes of " I just expect to be treated fairly" alludes to you aren't being treated fairly - go on then spill the beans?

I can only guess that you have seen the lavish lifestyle of one of these billionaires that you know and fancy a bit of that for yourself.

No munchy, I just don't like people assuming that because I'm a socialist I must be a lazy worker. If I worked for you then you'd see that I actually do work hard and am prepared to go the extra mile if treated well. In my opinion, political beliefs aren't relevant in the workplace and it's wrong to judge someones worth as an employee based on who they vote for. Leave the politics at the door, judge workers on how well they do the job.

I like to think employees and employers-the good ones, are aligned in their interests.Im sorry to say Kes that I would be constantly looking over my shoulder wondering what you are up to.

Your equality ideology is admirable-we will never agree on the solution however

Kes you might think you work hard but, god, you sure moan hard too. You probably disrupt the moral of the workforce. You wouldnt last 5 minutes in the forces, someone would put you in your place very quickly.

I like to think employees and employers-the good ones, are aligned in their interests.Im sorry to say Kes that I would be constantly looking over my shoulder wondering what you are up to.

Your equality ideology is admirable-we will never agree on the solution however

Well that worry would be completely unfounded. As long as you treated me fairly, and gave me the same rights and opportunities as any other employee then we wouldn't have a problem. Don't judge people because of who they vote for, judge them on how good a worker they are.

An important distinction to make about your last sentence is that I believe equality of opportunity rather than absolute equality. You and me should both be entitled to go out and start a business. If you're successful and I'm not, that's fine. Equality doesn't mean we are both entitled to have a business empire, it means that we are both entitled to have the opportunity to try and build one. Absolute equality is communism, a system that has never worked and which I believe can't ever work.

How can you work hard four hours per fortnight?

It's quite astonishing that young Irish voters like young English voters with Labour have voted for a hard left anti-establishment party in Sinn Fein. It's all to do with a belief that the young are not getting a fair share of the national cake. Home ownership/ cost of renting is an issue in both countries. I think Boris should tackle this by declaring that his economic and tax policies will bring an end to the house price inflation we've always taken for granted. It would make people own houses to live in not as an investment rather like the principle of buying a car to drive not to appreciate in value. You could transform the housing market dramatically and stop the generational divide widening.

It's quite astonishing that young Irish voters like young English voters with Labour have voted for a hard left anti-establishment party in Sinn Fein. It's all to do with a belief that the young are not getting a fair share of the national cake. Home ownership/ cost of renting is an issue in both countries. I think Boris should tackle this by declaring that his economic and tax policies will bring an end to the house price inflation we've always taken for granted. It would make people own houses to live in not as an investment rather like the principle of buying a car to drive not to appreciate in value. You could transform the housing market dramatically and stop the generational divide widening.

You don't need to be on a high income or have high aspirations to own your own home in Carlisle, quite the opposite. If you are unwilling to start at the bottom and work up and want a new 2/3 bedroom house with all mod-cons, then you will require a bit higher income. Anyone earning just over 20k could easily buy there first home and still live well.

True silentone which is one reason why Labour support is faltering in Carlisle and places like County Durham. However university towns and cities have generally had rocketing house prices which have left young voters thinking they'll never get on the housing ladder without a radical redistribution of wealth.

In my view my generation i.e. born between 1950 and 1965 say are the luckiest generation following the sacrifices of our greatest generations. People aged 15 to 35 don't have, didn't have and possibly never will have the same benefits as we did. I don't know what is the answer.

The Tories are the Party of 'law and order'

Recorded Crime Data: (Change from Mar 15 to Sep 18)

Knife Crime: +64%
Homicide: +37%
Vehicle: +31%
Robbery: +60%
Firearm: +31%
Card Fraud: +70%
Violence: +99%
Sexual: +79%

Guessing it's got nothing to do with cutting 21,000 police officers!

You must get your figures from the same place as Marko.

Try the ONS, and oh, 35% of all knife crime is in our Capital under a Labour Mayor.

https://news.sky.com/story/kent-and-west-yorkshire-see-biggest-rise-in-knife-crime-over-the-last-eight-years-11655918

Despite the spike in the numbers due to:

Year ending March 2017 includes 96 victims of Hillsborough and four victims of the Westminster Bridge attack.
Year ending March 2018 includes 31 victims of the terrorist attacks that involved multiple victims, including the Manchester Arena bombing, and the London Bridge attack).

Homicides still only show an increase of 28%, so where do you get your figures ?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2018

True silentone which is one reason why Labour support is faltering in Carlisle and places like County Durham. However university towns and cities have generally had rocketing house prices which have left young voters thinking they'll never get on the housing ladder without a radical redistribution of wealth.

How many do you want ?

https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/houses/liverpool/?beds_min=2&price_max=80000&price_min=70000&q=Liverpool&radius=0&results_sort=newest_listings&search_source=refine