Sunday, 16 January 2022
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Hi fellow Carlisle United fans!

We’re ‘Unita Fortior’ - A group set up with the aim of creating a better voice for the fanbase.

We’ll be presenting our launch document this coming week, so keep an eye out.

Please also search for our Facebook group or Twitter profile if you use these platforms.

UNITA FORTIOR

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4 months ago
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#302286
I'm not joining the Trust, be it under the Unita Fortior umbrella or otherwise. As far as I'm concerned it's a dysfunctional organisation.

Those Trust members who sit on the BoD should have pushed the owners for clarity about the long term strategy of the club. They should have raised concerns about the deterioration of results on the pitch year on year, strategic decisions such as the link up with Purepay should have been questioned and the admittance of a former owner to watch a match from the directors' box should have been condemned, given that the Trust was formed in response to his ownership.

The Trust was set up to ruffle feathers in the boardroom and to ensure that past mistakes were not repeated, not to become part of the establishment.
4 months ago
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#302291
‘The Trust was set up to ruffle feathers in the boardroom and to ensure that past mistakes were not repeated, not to become part of the establishment.’

That’s how all ‘revolutions’ end, or rather, never really get going. The Establishment integrates the opposition into its own organisation and nothing really changes. I guess that’s a good reason for UF not to engage with the trust as a separate entity.
4 months ago
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#302310
I'm not joining the Trust, be it under the Unita Fortior umbrella or otherwise. As far as I'm concerned it's a dysfunctional organisation.

But this is exactly why intelligent independent thinking fans like yourself should join the Trust. Democracy doesn't work if people don't participate. There are many similar examples to the Trust in everyday life where people are too busy, too lazy, don't think anything will change etc to participate in organisations they are unhappy with. I myself am guilty for tolerating a residential management company with a dysfunctional board dominated by a 90 year old who refuses to communicate except when he sends out service charge demands.

Organisations which don't face challenge end up stale and focused on the routine admin. They become incapable of change and set in their ways. They start to justify their inaction with 'principles' and 'policies'. One person can try and change things but 99% of the time they get ground down and frustrated. This is why UF's approach is right and worth supporting even if you don't agree with them. A gang of twelve people acting together can get things done. The Trust leadership has become reactive as part of its defence mechanism. It can see that change is coming and it doesn't like it.

Please for the sake of your club join CUOSC!
I'm not joining the Trust, be it under the Unita Fortior umbrella or otherwise. As far as I'm concerned it's a dysfunctional organisation.

But this is exactly why intelligent independent thinking fans like yourself should join the Trust. Democracy doesn't work if people don't participate. There are many similar examples to the Trust in everyday life where people are too busy, too lazy, don't think anything will change etc to participate in organisations they are unhappy with. I myself am guilty for tolerating a residential management company with a dysfunctional board dominated by a 90 year old who refuses to communicate except when he sends out service charge demands.

Organisations which don't face challenge end up stale and focused on the routine admin. They become incapable of change and set in their ways. They start to justify their inaction with 'principles' and 'policies'. One person can try and change things but 99% of the time they get ground down and frustrated. This is why UF's approach is right and worth supporting even if you don't agree with them. A gang of twelve people acting together can get things done. The Trust leadership has become reactive as part of its defence mechanism. It can see that change is coming and it doesn't like it.

Please for the sake of your club join CUOSC!


This sums up my reasons for signing up - though I’m still waiting for confirmation and membership number. Regarding folk waiting for confirmation, the trust seems to be a complete shambles - even at its most basic administrative levels. I get that those overseeing it have other commitments, but either do it properly or leave it to somebody who will.
4 months ago
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#302318
I'm not joining the Trust, be it under the Unita Fortior umbrella or otherwise. As far as I'm concerned it's a dysfunctional organisation.


Of course it’s a dysfunctional organisation, none of us are denying that. This is why UF emerged, in order to facilitate change. Sign up, have a say, have a vote and help change it from a dysfunctional organisation to one which can truly represent the fans and hold those in the boardroom to account.
4 months ago
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#302481
So Kessler is back, all the connection problems of late seems to have been sorted, could even have have put up with that cretin from Toronto but Kessler, time to go perhaps?


Don't worry I don't intend to post much, I am just sick fed up of this crap and felt the need to say something about it. Our club is dying and CUOSC are poncing about arguing about irrelevant crap.
4 months ago
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#302482
So Kessler is back, all the connection problems of late seems to have been sorted, could even have have put up with that cretin from Toronto but Kessler, time to go perhaps?


Don't worry I don't intend to post much, I am just sick fed up of this crap and felt the need to say something about it. Our club is dying and CUOSC are poncing about arguing about irrelevant crap.


You’d fit in well then.
4 months ago
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#302510
Hi all,

The latest CUOSC briefing email suggests a members meeting will be held on Thurs 24th Feb, with a venue and time TBC.

We would hope to see as many of you as possible attend, and also hope the meeting is streamed for those further afield!

UNITA FORTIOR

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4 months ago
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#302512
Hi all,

The latest CUOSC briefing email suggests a members meeting will be held on Thurs 24th Feb, with a venue and time TBC.

We would hope to see as many of you as possible attend, and also hope the meeting is streamed for those further afield!

UNITA FORTIOR

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I note it’s a member’s meeting.

My thoughts are it would be a good time to make it an open meeting for all.

Allow non members to attend or view online and create an opportunity for cuosc to sell themselves and generate further membership.
4 months ago
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#302519
The Meeting cancelled in Dec was due to be before the Bradford game.

The sensible option would be to make it prior to the next Sat Home game (Northampton on 12th March, Swindon next week a bit short notice?)…
4 months ago
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#302531
I’d normally be all for a meeting, but my enthusiasm has gone down massively the last few days because I think it’s far too late to make any difference whatsoever to anything and the club heading to non league.

It’s ok, now, having a meeting and to use it to have a go at the trust etc but I think the time to make a change was years ago, not now when the club is heading for non league.

Just my pennies worth and my opinion but I think the club is heading down without much of a fight and in the end the meeting will be a waste of time.
4 months ago
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#302546
Well I have always liked the idea of the Trust. I recall well be at the Sands centre during it’s genesis.

I didn’t join and I became increasingly critical, sceptical and inclined to view it as an ineffective part of tge establishment.

UF has been a wake up call to use the trust for what it should be there for.

I look forward to seeing changes; more people attending meetings and voting will instigate change this can/will act as a catalyst for wider positive change and where needed challenge to the custodians; it’s our last best hope.

Hence prompted by UF I joined.
4 months ago
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#302550
Hi all,

We’ve just popped a quick poll up on our Twitter, please vote on it!

If you don’t use Twitter, feel free to comment your preference on here!

UNITA FORTIOR

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4 months ago
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#302552
What about the conflict with the food bank and whist drive?
Hi all,

We’ve just popped a quick poll up on our Twitter, please vote on it!

If you don’t use Twitter, feel free to comment your preference on here!

UNITA FORTIOR

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Gotta be before a match for me - though I’m still waiting for confirmation and membership number
4 months ago
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#302555
What about the conflict with the food bank and whist drive?


I love a whist drive - that’d get me in.
4 months ago
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#302558
Before a game surely , apart from anything else many folk who might attend don't actually live in town and also have work and family commitments too .
4 months ago
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#302561
Before a match
4 months ago
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#302567
So if the CUOSC Meeting was before the match,where would would this Meeting be held. Answers welcomed.
4 months ago
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#302569
Why can't the trust hold meetings midweek and also before a match?

Surely that's the answer.

Hold a midweek meeting for those who don't want to change their pre-match routine.

Hold a meeting on a matchday for those who can't make it midweek, for whatever reason.

Whatever choice you make you're excluding some members, so why not have both and include everyone?

Come on lads, it's not rocket science.
4 months ago
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#302574
So if the CUOSC Meeting was before the match,where would would this Meeting be held. Answers welcomed.


Hold it 12:00-13:30 in the Sunset Suite? Club gets a few extra pennies in the coffers too! As a part owner, surely the Trust can ask?!

Last one for Bradford was going to be in the Study Centre!
4 months ago
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#302578
So if the CUOSC Meeting was before the match,where would would this Meeting be held. Answers welcomed.


Hold it 12:00-13:30 in the Sunset Suite? Club gets a few extra pennies in the coffers too! As a part owner, surely the Trust can ask?!

Last one for Bradford was going to be in the Study Centre!


As substantial part owner I agree why ever not would the club refuse and as CCU suggests monies into the club and not such as the rugby club or other venue.

Unless flumeblue knows something different.
4 months ago
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#302579
Even the concourse of the East Stand would do , its certainly big enough.
4 months ago
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#302581
Is the Neil in use at Noon on a Matchday?

Loads of potential options!

:)
4 months ago
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#302602
So if the CUOSC Meeting was before the match,where would would this Meeting be held. Answers welcomed.


Hold it 12:00-13:30 in the Sunset Suite? Club gets a few extra pennies in the coffers too! As a part owner, surely the Trust can ask?!

Last one for Bradford was going to be in the Study Centre!


Stop talking sense.
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