Sunday, 16 January 2022
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Hi fellow Carlisle United fans!

We’re ‘Unita Fortior’ - A group set up with the aim of creating a better voice for the fanbase.

We’ll be presenting our launch document this coming week, so keep an eye out.

Please also search for our Facebook group or Twitter profile if you use these platforms.

UNITA FORTIOR

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4 months ago
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#302613
Is the Neil in use at Noon on a Matchday?

Loads of potential options!

:)


What options?

5 a side, UF v The Trust.

Winner takes all :p

Rush goalie of course
4 months ago
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#302624
So if the CUOSC Meeting was before the match,where would would this Meeting be held. Answers welcomed.


Hold it 12:00-13:30 in the Sunset Suite? Club gets a few extra pennies in the coffers too! As a part owner, surely the Trust can ask?!

Last one for Bradford was going to be in the Study Centre!


Stop talking sense.


Any money from beer sales would be swallowed up by the huge policing costs having that many known wronguns on club premises from 12 pm. The after match bingo session could be particularly tasty.
4 months ago
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#302650
Wasted opportunity.


  • Zero strategy
  • Aligned with a useless organisation
    And as much passion as a wet weekend in Silloth



I was going to sign up and then stunned to find its part of the trust. Where the sense is there in that?


These idiots in charge of our club have been allowed to be idiots because of the trust and yes the fans. The fans have sat on their hands hoping it will get better. Typical Carlisle. No real protests and the answer is to recruit more into an organisation that has failed time after time.
4 months ago
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#302651
Something smaller but on these lines:

https://www.forzagaribaldi.com/

Not

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/resources/images/13443151.jpg?type=article-full

No offense to those who got of their arse and turned up. But which idiot thought this sort of pic is going to get them banging on the gates to make a difference?
4 months ago
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#302652
Generally my thoughts mate but give it a go and see if it works.
4 months ago
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#302654
Wasted opportunity.


  • Zero strategy
    Aligned with a useless organisation
    And as much passion as a wet weekend in Silloth



I was going to sign up and then stunned to find its part of the trust. Where the sense is there in that?


These idiots in charge of our club have been allowed to be idiots because of the trust and yes the fans. The fans have sat on their hands hoping it will get better. Typical Carlisle. No real protests and the answer is to recruit more into an organisation that has failed time after time.


Your literally moaning that Carlisle fans don’t do anything about it whilst slagging off Carlisle fans that are trying to do something about it.
Why don’t you join up and actually try to do something about it instead of being another faceless critic.
4 months ago
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#302659
Wasted opportunity.


  • Zero strategy
    Aligned with a useless organisation
    And as much passion as a wet weekend in Silloth



I was going to sign up and then stunned to find its part of the trust. Where the sense is there in that?


These idiots in charge of our club have been allowed to be idiots because of the trust and yes the fans. The fans have sat on their hands hoping it will get better. Typical Carlisle. No real protests and the answer is to recruit more into an organisation that has failed time after time.





Blustone I’d be interested in what you have done to attempt to make things better?

You have complained that fans haven’t done enough to change things and in the same post criticised a group for trying to do just that.

The reasons for joining the trust have been laid out clearly. The trust owns 25.4% of the club. UF could have been a separate entity but with no stake in the club it’s shouting into the wind.

What we are trying to do is get disaffected fans like yourself back involved. You can then join the trust and vote for who you want to represent you, or even stand yourself.

The more members the trust have the more of a mandate it has to challenge the owners in the board room.

It’s up to the fans to say who represents them and also what they want the trust to do.

We are simply trying to make the trust truly representative of the fan base and fight against the apathy that has infected the club
4 months ago
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#302669
Blustone makes perfectly valid points.

The "what have you done instead?" argument is entirely facile.

The reference to Forzagaribaldi is his alternative and it's what we lack.

A supporters organisation which is truly independent is what's required not internal trust squabbling over meeting times, leaflets, logos, he said/she said. With this behaviour, the UF clique and the petty politics, you instantly become part of the problem.
4 months ago
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#302670
ForzaGaribaldi is a great idea, from their site:

Created in the summer of 2016 the campaign focussed on a primary aim of reinvigorating the atmosphere at Forest games and introducing a bigger match day experience around the 90 minutes on the pitch.

Shame it’s sod all to do with ownership and fans having a voice via a Trust etc.
Blustone makes perfectly valid points.

The "what have you done instead?" argument is entirely facile.

The reference to Forzagaribaldi is his alternative and it's what we lack.

A supporters organisation which is truly independent is what's required not internal trust squabbling over meeting times, leaflets, logos, he said/she said. With this behaviour, the UF clique and the petty politics, you instantly become part of the problem.





Forzagaribaldi is something that’s happening elsewhere. It’s not ‘his alternative’.

UF is an attempt at making the trust for for purpose, and at the moment it’s our best idea of any substance.
4 months ago
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#302673
Come on Moonsey, you're being disingenuous.

Clearly Blustone gave FG as an example of what could and should have been, and an example of precisely the kind of independent representation our supporters continue to lack.

You can't change our trust from the inside, it's been tried countless times and has always failed. UF is the recruitment arm of the trust, no more, no less.
Come on Moonsey, you're being disingenuous.

Clearly Blustone gave FG as an example of what could and should have been, and an example of precisely the kind of independent representation our supporters continue to lack.

You can't change our trust from the inside, it's been tried countless times and has always failed. UF is the recruitment arm of the trust, no more, no less.


I don’t see how a FG approach is comparable with what is effectively an attempt at changing the trust? There’s room for both. I’m all for improved atmosphere at BP, but I don’t see anybody attempting to organise that since the fabled ‘Ultras Carvetti’.

If you don’t think the trust can be changed from within, you’re effectively resigned to it continuing to be a noose around the neck of our club.
4 months ago
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#302682
Not really.

You can change the trust without joining it by applying external pressure, which a strong independent supporters organisation would (merely by existing).

Represent the supporters properly from without and you instantly invalidate the trust.

If you starve the trust of oxygen and discourage people from joining you weaken their position and eventually the trust will die.

By doing the opposite and encouraging folk to join, you strengthen the trust and its cancerous grip on the club, not solving the problem but worsening (and lengthening) it.
4 months ago
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#302684
So what do you do if a hardcore of say 200 keep joining the Trust religiously for the next 25 years?
4 months ago
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#302694
I'd suggest if the independent supporters organisation had a membership of a thousand or upwards it would legitimately claim to speak for the supporters and would completely invalidate the trust.

It would be extremely difficult for the trust to keep functioning in a situation like that, even if a handful of fanatics wanted to draw it out as far, and as long, as possible.

It's hypothetical anyway now as UF have boosted the trust's numbers and have validated the trust hierarchy, allowing them to consolidate. Even with all the best intentions in the world, short of boycotting matches, it's possibly the worst thing the fans could've done.
I'd suggest if the independent supporters organisation had a membership of a thousand or upwards it would legitimately claim to speak for the supporters and would completely invalidate the trust.

It would be extremely difficult for the trust to keep functioning in a situation like that, even if a handful of fanatics wanted to draw it out as far, and as long, as possible.

It's hypothetical anyway now as UF have boosted the trust's numbers and have validated the trust hierarchy, allowing them to consolidate. Even with all the best intentions in the world, short of boycotting matches, it's possibly the worst thing the fans could've done.



Validated the trust hierarchy? Many of us joined in order to change that hierarchy. I say ‘joined’… still waiting for my confirmation and membership number. Beginning to wonder if CUOSC genuinely wants this influx of new members… perhaps the hierarchy understands the threat posed to it by increased membership.
4 months ago
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#302697
Hi all,

A strong 3 to 1 showing from nearly 250 votes in favour of CUOSC hosting their members meeting on a matchday.

You’ll never please everybody whenever it’s held, but certainly something to be considered?

UNITA FORTIOR

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4 months ago
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#302698
I'm sorry, but I thought:

"We are not doing this to set our own agenda or propose our own manifesto, what we're trying to do is simple - get fans to participate in the trust"

Now you're saying "Many of us joined in order to change that hierarchy".

That sounds pretty much like an agenda to me. Playing a game of internal trust politics and being economical with the truth.

It's a shame UF can't be open and honest about their intentions, but then again I wouldn't expect anything else from trust members.
4 months ago
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#302699
Hi all,

A strong 3 to 1 showing from nearly 250 votes in favour of CUOSC hosting their members meeting on a matchday.

You’ll never please everybody whenever it’s held, but certainly something to be considered?

UNITA FORTIOR

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What about the 60 odd members who voted "midweek"? How do you propose to represent them?
I'm sorry, but I thought:

"We are not doing this to set our own agenda or propose our own manifesto, what we're trying to do is simple - get fans to participate in the trust"

Now you're saying "Many of us joined in order to change that hierarchy".

That sounds pretty much like an agenda to me. Playing a game of internal trust politics and being economical with the truth.

It's a shame UF can't be open and honest about their intentions, but then again I wouldn't expect anything else from trust members.





‘Participating in the trust’ and ‘changing the hierarchy’ are not mutually exclusive.

Worth noting however that I don’t speak for UF. I speak for myself alone, though I know others share my reasoning.
4 months ago
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#302712
I'd like the Dirty Dozen to come clean with their true intentions and finally be open and honest.

It's fairly obvious there's a hidden agenda at play here.

The claim they exist merely to drive an increase in trust membership, but this doesn't seem to be the case. Especially not when they're setting out to play politics in opposition to the trust hierarchy at every turn.

If the modus operandi is purely to increase membership and "representation" why all the petty squabbling?

The composition of the UF clique is the other clue. Yes there are a few new faces in their secret WhatsApp group, but also long term trust members who have served on and worked with the trust board in the past. Despite claims to the contrary, it feels like UF is as much about political ambition than it is supporter representation.

Rightly or wrongly, they should own it and admit it, otherwise they're no different from those who they seek to supplant.
4 months ago
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#302715
Whatever their intentions Piglet, it’s made the present incumbents sit up
4 months ago
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#302720
I asked the trust some questions on Twitter re attendees at their meeting and possibly a discussion about the use of the Reunited fund - but nothing.

Sadly as well a few other people have tweeted and sent questions and received nothing. Doesn’t need to be instant but the silence is poor.

This is why people are getting frustrated, didn’t join the trust initially and call them all the names under the sun. UF are also volunteers but are replying instantly to questions, it has seemed impossible for the trust to be able too.
4 months ago
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#302723
Well sadly, this is the most exciting thing going on a CUFC at the minute.

I think UF need to be a Russia as opposed to a NATO, the only thing is, Mountelm are out of s/h Tanks :D :D :D
4 months ago
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#302743
Mullen whilst nobody would expect an instant reply from CUOSC on Social Media, just blanking after several days simply isn’t acceptable.

Maybe they need to review who is controlling their Socials?!
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