Sunday, 16 January 2022
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Hi fellow Carlisle United fans!

We’re ‘Unita Fortior’ - A group set up with the aim of creating a better voice for the fanbase.

We’ll be presenting our launch document this coming week, so keep an eye out.

Please also search for our Facebook group or Twitter profile if you use these platforms.

UNITA FORTIOR

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1 month ago
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#308709
Hi all,

Jon Colman’s first piece from tonight’s CUOSC members meeting is now out.

UNITA FORTIOR

1 month ago
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#308711
As I keep saying, PD has nowhere to go here either so all he can do is make sure the BOD don’t screw up and jeopardise his loan which would be toast in insolvency( in the practical sense)

Meanwhile, it’s a block to change of ownership
1 month ago
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#308712
As I keep saying, PD has nowhere to go here either so all he can do is make sure the BOD don’t screw up and jeopardise his loan which would be toast in insolvency( in the practical sense)

Meanwhile, it’s a block to change of ownership


Do you still think there’ll be regime change soon?

I attended the meeting tonight and I’m convinced nothing is happening in that respect, I think it’ll be as you were.
1 month ago
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#308717
Yes I do
1 month ago
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#308719
What is the point in pureplay/ PD in not responding to requests for a meeting to find a way to pay back the debt. It’s neither helpful to the club or pureplay to not find a way of settling up.
Probably a good thing that PD didn’t take over his lack of communication is the worst thing you can have in any business dealings. He’s totally unsuitable as a club owner or business owner come to that not a likeable guy at all.
1 month ago
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#308720
Unless I’m mistaken - we know how much the debt is and where to pay it…

What it seems from the outside is us trying to meet him about it is us trying to renegotiate terms….
1 month ago
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#308762
Hi all,

Jon Colman’s second piece from yesterday’s CUOSC members meeting is now out.

UNITA FORTIOR

1 month ago
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#308763
Unless I’m mistaken - we know how much the debt is and where to pay it…

What it seems from the outside is us trying to meet him about it is us trying to renegotiate terms….


Absolutely - he has security including PGs - imo he knows he's going to get paid. Why should he agree to anything different to the terms on which loan was presumably made.... naive in extreme to expect so. If I was him I'd be getting pissed off by these types of comments.
1 month ago
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#308764
Well that has killed off any thought of CUOSC being a fund-raising organisation. Any extra funds raised from additional members just goes to pay off Norman Steel's loan.

It's a shame that UF's membership drive lost all its momentum when Simmo came back as something needs to be done to sort CUOSC out.
1 month ago
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#308765
It’s a loan-needs repaying
1 month ago
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#308768
Well that has killed off any thought of CUOSC being a fund-raising organisation. Any extra funds raised from additional members just goes to pay off Norman Steel's loan.

It's a shame that UF's membership drive lost all its momentum when Simmo came back as something needs to be done to sort CUOSC out.


Rome wasn’t built in a day though Carwash?

CUOSC last night suggested the Club see CUSG as the best way to raise funds for the Club, with CUOSC being more of a body to ‘hold the Club to account’ - several of us present disagreed strongly and suggested it more than possible to do both.

The CUOSC ‘Manifesto’ was debuted, prior to final adjustments and release, and some of us spoke of the disappointment there was no ‘targets’ as such. CUOSC indicated they hoped the release of the ‘Manifesto’ would see Feedback from Members to make adjustments as/how they thought things should happen in future…
1 month ago
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#308771
Did Norman Steel set up "UNITA FORTIA" so he could get his loan paid back faster?

:D

All the numpties who wasted their money joining the trust before Simpson rocked up must be really proud of themselves.

Anyway, why did the trust need a loan? Did someone on the committee go on holiday? Or did they need to stock up on crispy-cake ingredients?
1 month ago
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#308772
Well that has killed off any thought of CUOSC being a fund-raising organisation. Any extra funds raised from additional members just goes to pay off Norman Steel's loan.

It's a shame that UF's membership drive lost all its momentum when Simmo came back as something needs to be done to sort CUOSC out.



I agree on the Club's stance. The CUSG should be the main fundraising body, and I would add to that the group in which community based ideas and projects should be driven through.
The Trust - CUOSC should be an elected board with primarily the sole aim is to hold the Football club and fellow Directors to account on both boards.
The CUOSC BoD could then be held more accountable with regards to their involvement and direction they go in by the members and wider fan base. Letting go of charitable projects to CUSG would give them more time and focus on the football club.
1 month ago
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#308773
I agree on the Club's stance. The CUSG should be the main fundraising body, and I would add to that the group in which community based ideas and projects should be driven through.
The Trust - CUOSC should be an elected board with primarily the sole aim is to hold the Football club and fellow Directors to account on both boards.
The CUOSC BoD could then be held more accountable with regards to their involvement and direction they go in by the members and wider fan base. Letting go of charitable projects to CUSG would give them more time and focus on the football club.


On the flip side though, CUOSC are also a part-Owner, surely they should look to raise funds so they too can dip their hands in their pockets as/when needed/required?

It’s one of the biggest grumbles you see from fans - “Why do they comment, they don’t put anything in?”

It’s certainly a debate for the Membership to have in the coming weeks IMO…
1 month ago
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#308776
CUOSC in its present form cannot be just a body to hold the club to account. How can that possibly work?

At the moment I have this picture in my head of two old blokes sitting on a park bench with a packet of Worthys Originals. Most of the sweets are being enjoyed by the blokes who chat away to each other happily enough. Occasionally when some of the kids in the park get too noisy, or nosy, they are thrown a sweet by one or other to calm them down and make the kids think they aren't too bad. I see our fans are the kids, the two blokes CUOSC and the Club.

There are, and always will be reasons why things discussed in the boardroom cannot be discussed in public, but the present state of affairs cannot work. We are being told that CUOSC holds the club to account, but whose account? Is it what the fans they represent want? There has to be trust built up before fans can happily give their collective power to such a secretive group.

At the moment there is little being done by the club or CUOSC to break down the them and us feeling. Worse there is little going on to break down the feeling that fans are just seen as an inconvenience and are regularly treated as such.
1 month ago
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#308778
Someone asked the question they they joined the trust again and haven’t been asked an opinion on anything - that’s the point I’ve been making for years.

Billy mentioned he represents suppprters but how does he truly know if they never ask the members.

I think he gets the general feeling, but on other matters it’s pure guess work.
1 month ago
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#308780
CUOSC in its present form can only hold the club to account. But that is the point of Unita Fortior, CUOSC could potentially be a lot more. I guess the ultimate aim is to replicate what the Trust at Exeter City have done but I agree with CCU it won't be quick or easy to achieve.
1 month ago
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#308782
Unitary Frontier is a crap name, sorry but it is.
1 month ago
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#308783
I guess the ultimate aim is to replicate what the Trust at Exeter City have done but I agree with CCU it won't be quick or easy to achieve.


Certainly their membership size and activity levels!

Overnight it certainly won’t be, but it won’t be for want of trying from some of us…
1 month ago
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#308784
Before you can hold anyone to account, you need to be able to hold yourself to account.

In addition, if you are a "Critical Friend" you also need to know what you're talking about.

The Trust don't qualify on either count.

Since conception, their total contribution to the well-being and prosperity of CUFC has been zilch, and their selfish actions and attitude killed off the best chance we had of moving forward in a generation.

Until they take a close look in the mirror and accept how toxic they are, and make drastic changes, people will always take a wide berth.

They've been around for decades, and still don't know what role they play, that says it all.
1 month ago
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#308785
CUOSC in its present form can only hold the club to account. But that is the point of Unita Fortior, CUOSC could potentially be a lot more. I guess the ultimate aim is to replicate what the Trust at Exeter City have done but I agree with CCU it won't be quick or easy to achieve.


That's the thing though. Hold it to account for what? Whose account? Until they have the trust of the fans they can't. The first and totally essential job is to win the trust of the fans without that it's one secret society speaking to another secret society. In fact, I would say the club is actually the more open of the two.

Regarding UF, it's certainly the best chance for change and moving forward. I agree with a lot of the things they are trying to do but something needs to happen over the summer, the years have dragged by and nothing changes.
1 month ago
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#308789
If we are hoping for Cuosc etc to fund the club, it will be game over in 6 months.Crazy idea.
1 month ago
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#308791
If we are hoping for Cuosc etc to fund the club, it will be game over in 6 months.Crazy idea.


TBF, nobody has suggested that?

But surely nothing wrong with having a far more pro-active organisation with much increased numbers able to provide financial support - as any part owner should?

Have you joined up yet Laffy?
1 month ago
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#308794
I will be joining but I don’t hold out much hope of the supporters raising £500k pa-the evidence isn’t great.I’m all for fan power but not with a suicidal funding model
1 month ago
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#308795
TBF nobody has suggested even attempting to raise £500k per year!

But no reason why £50/100k shouldn’t be possible down the line? Ok, it’s not earth shattering, but every little helps and would show CUOSC to be much more useful and proactive than currently…
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