Monday, 13 March 2017
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Years ago, a train guard sat in a little carriage on the end of the train. The only real important job was to ensure he had enough coal to keep his little stove hot, and enough Playboy's to keep him entertained.

When he remembered, he had to wave a green flag, or a red one (for what he was not quite sure) and at night a light (if he'd remembered to bring the paraffin)

One day, his little carriage never left the sidings, he had been replaced by the Train Conductor / Guard. he was now Safety Critical :-)

So, let's check out his/her required skills:

1) Must be able to communicate with people nicely
2) Must be able to speak so people understand (Oosta garn on Marra) will not do.
3) Must be able to deal with upset passengers without nutting them.
4) Must be able to count.

For this, he/her can expect to paid the sum of just under £15.00 hour.

Today his/her Union has called a strike so everyone can be disrupted in some way, as they have nothing better to do, and it's at least a fortnight since the last one.

With so many other worthy cases of worker exploitation going on, what the hell has happened to the Unions !!
3 days ago
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#320176
The rail strikes are the ones pissing me off the most, sorry CCU. Again there’s working practices/terms and conditions but it needs modernising. I don’t agree with getting rid of guards or someone on the train mind you but all you hear at the moment and the union leader is pay deal.


Most Rail workers support Modernisation. We’re not daft, we recognise the world is moving fast. But we won’t have changes simply forced upon without consultations etc.

Some of the Plans for rearranging Teams are downright dangerous. Removing folk from their skillset to ones they have zero knowledge of, all to tick quotas etc. Skillsets that are learned over many years for specific roles, tossed aside with little thought.

The Railway is a complex beast, it can take years to build up knowledge of a specific field, to then try and use these people in disciplines that are alien to them is plain crazy. And bloody dangerous.

Off Topic, FWIW, I think the whole Care Industry needs massive change. Nothing but respect for anyone who does this Job. Have seen several aspects of the Industry. Underpaid massively IMO, but as long as theirs literally hundreds of Firms offering ‘Care’ to make profit for Owners/Shareholders then it will sadly remain a low paid free for all. Carers and their patients deserve a hell of a lot better…


I agree and I think it’s dangerous for customers to get rid of guards/staff.

But wasn’t the vote to strike about a pay deal?

If a pay deal of say 15% was offered, would people strike because they are worried about driverless trains, no guards or being moved from signalling to a train driver (hyperthetical). Sadly imo people would just see the £ signs and forget about it. There’ll be a few that’ll stand up for what’s right but money talks.
3 days ago
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#320177
The vote was about Job Security, Terms & Conditions and Pay.

You’ll notice Pay last there, not deliberate, just it’s place in the order from the beginning for most folk I speak to in the Industry…
Just watching QT Laffy. Mention of Barristers asking for a 25% pay increase and settling for 15% after talks. Another great example of the art of negotiation.
"Stablepharma" sounds like a knock-off ketamine operation. :D

Are you producing your "vaccine" in a 1986 Fleetwood Bounder, somewhere in a Northumbrian field?
3 days ago
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#320184
Not exactly-it’s technology that bolts onto existing vaccines.We have signed a deal with the company that owns the tetanus vaccine for example-means we can partner with vaccine owners rather than buy or develop our own

Frank-good luck with your negotiations.We have done this to death.There’s a fair chance you will own the letters side soon
3 days ago
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#320185
Them militant nurses…
3 days ago
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#320187
And that begs the question about morals.


Will wanting more money make a nurse a better nurse practice wise....
3 days ago
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#320188
No-that band wagon is firmly rolling, led by militant union leaders.

I keep asking-who pays?

Best option is a one off cash bonus to cover the inflationary pressure and review in 12 months time, hopefully when prices come back.
3 days ago
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#320189
The vote was about Job Security, Terms & Conditions and Pay.

You’ll notice Pay last there, not deliberate, just it’s place in the order from the beginning for most folk I speak to in the Industry…


Comes down to the point, again, all he we hear is pay.

The union leader mostly talks about pay and I imagine this is why the support is dwindling.
3 days ago
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#320191
It’s pay dressed up as safety-but it’s pay and conditions.
Not exactly-it’s technology that bolts onto existing vaccines.We have signed a deal with the company that owns the tetanus vaccine for example-means we can partner with vaccine owners rather than buy or develop our own

Frank-good luck with your negotiations.We have done this to death.There’s a fair chance you will own the letters side soon


If only you meant it…
3 days ago
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#320203
I do Frank-I hope your campaign results in a pay deal and new ways of working that allow the company to perform, and pay staff accordingly.I’ve been very clear on that since day one but I think you are being led by an out of depth, out of time leader who probably gets paid more than the Prime Minister.
3 days ago
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#320208
It appears Scotrail have reached agreement with the unions.
3 days ago
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#320209
It appears Scotrail have reached agreement with the unions.


Amazing what can happen when meaningful talks occur…

;)
3 days ago
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#320211
On subject of Nurses , I have been in a few A&E departments in big cities where security folk wear anti stab vests and cameras like the police as someone deems it necessary. But Nurses etc don't and get attacked regularly. So it's not exactly straightforward.
Even in dementia units I have seen staff punched etc, we know that they don't necessarily mean to do it but it still hurts . To be blunt it's not nice to see it happen especially when your 5ft 3 mother is actually doing it .
Nursing and the NHS have been in a mess for a long time and sooner or later it was going to come to a head on a whole heap of things .
3 days ago
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#320212
I am not sure who they were talking to then , the snp don't listen to anyone as they are right on everything 🤔 😉
3 days ago
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#320218
Sturgeon is spending other peoples money-ours
3 days ago
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#320220
It appears Scotrail have reached agreement with the unions.


Amazing what can happen when meaningful talks occur…

;)


I think it’s clear that the British Government are engineering strikes as they think it plays well with their supporters
It appears Scotrail have reached agreement with the unions.


Amazing what can happen when meaningful talks occur…

;)


I think it’s clear that the British Government are engineering strikes as they think it plays well with their supporters


????
3 days ago
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#320222
I may be wrong but it’s the unions calling the strikes with their excessive pay demands-not the government.To remind you, the government doesn’t have any money;it’s the taxpayers’ and they have to foot the bill
It appears Scotrail have reached agreement with the unions.


Amazing what can happen when meaningful talks occur…

;)


I think it’s clear that the British Government are engineering strikes as they think it plays well with their supporters


????


I guess Taffy’s suggestion is that the government ‘wants’ (and is even covertly pushing the unions towards) the strikes as it gives them a boogeyman to blame for some things?
3 days ago
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#320230
Ah-victimhood in reverse.

19pc pay rise for nurses-crazy times
3 days ago
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#320241
No-that band wagon is firmly rolling, led by militant union leaders.

I keep asking-who pays?

Best option is a one off cash bonus to cover the inflationary pressure and review in 12 months time, hopefully when prices come back.


Eh? One off?

When inflation is 11%, stuff goes up 11% and stays 11% higher even if next year inflation is zero. One off payments is just kicking the can down the road
3 days ago
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#320259
I hope that isn't a snide remark to me Laffy . I am just telling you how it is . I have no idea how they compare to others and never seen any 19% pay offer . My other half has a BA and a Masters and is salaried in the private sector and got 3%
But the wages is the least of the problem it's lack of numbers. And coincidentally 33 years ago on Sunday they all graduated and GGHB couldn't offer one of them a job due to a recruitment freeze . It was front page news in the Evening Times. A lot of the staff shortage we are having now is probably coming home to roost due to the gap those years created . And now these ones etc are reaching retirement age and there is a gap in production as the saying goes. A bit like cars after covid but more serious
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