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normal Only one outcome to these negotiations...........

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06 Jan 2017 12:20 #1 by thesilentone
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Strike !!!!!!!

Threat of strike action over nuclear indsutry pension changes

www.in-cumbria.com/Threat-of-strike-acti...a65d-a6d0d099fc1c-ds

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06 Jan 2017 13:01 #2 by Dancingbear
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What do you suggest we should do?

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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06 Jan 2017 13:05 #3 by sirjimmyglass
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thesilentone wrote: Strike !!!!!!!

Threat of strike action over nuclear indsutry pension changes

www.in-cumbria.com/Threat-of-strike-acti...a65d-a6d0d099fc1c-ds


Are there any instances where you believe that striking is the correct action to take?

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06 Jan 2017 13:12 #4 by pie
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When clean through on goal?
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06 Jan 2017 14:31 #5 by loser
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Good on them. Fighting for the conditions to which they signed up as any if us should.

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06 Jan 2017 15:14 #6 by Markovitch
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Some of those workers could have a half life of thousands of years

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06 Jan 2017 15:25 #7 by thesilentone
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But, the lack of economic growth throughout the time of our Socialist Government, and a policy of low interest rates so Mr Brown could borrow more virtually wrecked pensions and investments for everyone.

Why should these workers be any different ?

Everyone who had a private pension is in the same canoe today.

What should you do DB, negotiate ! not kill negotiations before they start with threats of strikes !

I accept there are not to many of the Militant Union Bald Bully Boys with sufficient grey matter upstairs to hold there concentration long enough for negotiations, maybe offer to have a pagger instead..

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06 Jan 2017 15:30 #8 by loser
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thesilentone wrote: Why should these workers be any different ?

Everyone who had a private pension is in the same canoe today.


A lot of people are unfortunate enough to get cancer at some point in their lives. By that ridiculous logic, so should everyone else.

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06 Jan 2017 16:44 - 06 Jan 2017 16:45 #9 by Dancingbear
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thesilentone wrote: But, the lack of economic growth throughout the time of our Socialist Government, and a policy of low interest rates so Mr Brown could borrow more virtually wrecked pensions and investments for everyone.

Why should these workers be any different ?

Everyone who had a private pension is in the same canoe today.

What should you do DB, negotiate ! not kill negotiations before they start with threats of strikes !

I accept there are not to many of the Militant Union Bald Bully Boys with sufficient grey matter upstairs to hold there concentration long enough for negotiations, maybe offer to have a pagger instead..


This relates to pensions pre 2008 that were frozen at that time before the current scheme started. They now want to scrap that agreement by repealing a act of parliament and nick £600m that has already been paid in. The pot isnt in deficit as far as i know so im sure youll forgive people for being a little bit pissed off about it. I will pass on your sound advice though and tell them to negotiate first.

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06 Jan 2017 17:32 - 06 Jan 2017 17:37 #10 by thesilentone
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Can't see how striking is going to help, if it's so clear cut, start a petition........

(you will have noticed the lack of striking and noise coming from the Junior Doctors since they were informed the public were turning against them

Junior doctors’ strikes: the greatest union failure in a generation

www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/201...n-failure-generation
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06 Jan 2017 17:43 #11 by munchymagic
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Unions are there to stop unscrupulous employers from taking the piss, and to be fair they are lucky it is only a strike that will happen because when you rob loads of people blind then violence is the first thing that comes into their minds I can imagine.

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06 Jan 2017 18:31 #12 by DeckchairBlue
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thesilentone wrote: But, the lack of economic growth throughout the time of our Socialist Government, and a policy of low interest rates so Mr Brown could borrow more virtually wrecked pensions and investments for everyone.


You may need to look up what Socialism is if you think New Labour were Socialist. Blair and Brown = Tory-Lite.

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06 Jan 2017 19:39 #13 by Dancingbear
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thesilentone wrote: Can't see how striking is going to help, if it's so clear cut, start a petition........

(you will have noticed the lack of striking and noise coming from the Junior Doctors since they were informed the public were turning against them

Junior doctors’ strikes: the greatest union failure in a generation

www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/201...n-failure-generation


To be fair i dont know anyone who wants to go on strike however last time the site went on strike the company backed down. Problem with this is it isnt the company thats the problem.

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06 Jan 2017 19:50 #14 by thesilentone
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To strike you need hearts and minds to support you. Sadly the Unions were irreparably damaged by those communist idiots in the 70's, they killed Unionism until at least a generation has died out.

The skinhead bullyboys of the RMT are clones of the 70's idiots, exploiting a monopoly, sadly they are undermining other Unions, so who gets the headlines !!

Quote from a Junior Doctor

'As walkouts, on-off negotiations and the war of words rolled on, opinion polls showed the medics were winning the battle for hearts and minds, even when they escalated their action to include withdrawal of cover from areas of life-or-death care, such as A&E and maternity units.

“The RMT give the impression that they don’t care [about the impact the rail strikes by their members has on the public], and people think they are being selfish and not handling things right,” Masood says. “But as junior doctors we felt that our motivation was really pure. We were genuinely concerned about the wellbeing of the NHS and genuinely believed that what we were doing was to protect it. '

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06 Jan 2017 21:02 #15 by NORTHERNSOUL
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thesilentone wrote: Can't see how striking is going to help, if it's so clear cut, start a petition........

(you will have noticed the lack of striking and noise coming from the Junior Doctors since they were informed the public were turning against them

Junior doctors’ strikes: the greatest union failure in a generation

www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/201...n-failure-generation


Biggest mistake junior doctors made was just not calling out just those who work in And E for 48 hours every weekend and everyone else refusing to cover for them

Would of been over in a month when the govmt realised how much it would cost and how hard it would be to cover for them

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09 Jan 2017 09:54 #16 by thesilentone
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Tube strike: London rush-hour travel hit by industrial action

Could someone please justify this action, even the Socialist mayor is trying to talk sense: He said: "I think the best way to resolve differences is around a table, talking amicably. I think those who work on our underground do have a point about ticket office closures being premature and rushed through

Could someone please explain to us mere mortals what this industrial action is achieving........

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09 Jan 2017 10:07 #17 by NORTHERNSOUL
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thesilentone wrote: Tube strike: London rush-hour travel hit by industrial action

Could someone please justify this action, even the Socialist mayor is trying to talk sense: He said: "I think the best way to resolve differences is around a table, talking amicably. I think those who work on our underground do have a point about ticket office closures being premature and rushed through

Could someone please explain to us mere mortals what this industrial action is achieving........


I.d of thought that was pretty obvious the re reinstatement of the [censored] ticket offices only in Britain could you have a major transport network who think its a good idea to close down all their sales points and have you buy your tickets and cards from the local kebab shop instead.

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09 Jan 2017 10:22 #18 by thesilentone
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'Mr Khan said: "This strike is going to be a huge inconvenience to commuters, tourists and TfL staff, and it is pointless.

"There is a good deal sitting on the table that will ensure station safety and staffing levels across the Tube network. I am willing to carry on negotiations.

"This historic dispute has nothing to do with the millions of Londoners this strike is punishing. It must be called off."

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09 Jan 2017 10:26 #19 by thesilentone
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Southern Railway train drivers are set to strike too.
Aslef, the drivers' union, says there will be three 24-hour walkouts as the bitter dispute over driver-only trains rumbles on.
There will be no Southern services during the strikes next Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday. Three further strikes are planned later in the month.


Just a bunch of lazy left wing militant bully boy bouncers who will strike because they have a monopoly. Where are the moderate Unionists ? You should be standing up and telling your comrades to stop wrecking Unionism for personal self gain, it is you who are losing out !!

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09 Jan 2017 10:44 #20 by deeksme
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"there are not to many of the Militant Union Bald Bully Boys with sufficient grey matter upstairs to hold there concentration"

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09 Jan 2017 10:57 #21 by NORTHERNSOUL
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thesilentone wrote: Southern Railway train drivers are set to strike too.
Aslef, the drivers' union, says there will be three 24-hour walkouts as the bitter dispute over driver-only trains rumbles on.
There will be no Southern services during the strikes next Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday. Three further strikes are planned later in the month.


Just a bunch of lazy left wing militant bully boy bouncers who will strike because they have a monopoly. Where are the moderate Unionists ? You should be standing up and telling your comrades to stop wrecking Unionism for personal self gain, it is you who are losing out !!


Its Kahn whos the fu ckind disgrace good old Red Ken wouldnt of put up with this hed of had gone for the nap hand and the bus drivers out as well

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09 Jan 2017 12:07 #22 by thesilentone
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It's plain as the nose on your face, not one of our Left Wing Union members are willing to come on here are defend the lunatics in London............

Speaks volumes.....

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09 Jan 2017 12:15 #23 by NORTHERNSOUL
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thesilentone wrote: It's plain as the nose on your face, not one of our Left Wing Union members are willing to come on here are defend the lunatics in London............

Speaks volumes.....


Pretty Clear the only lunatic on here is you and theyre probably much to busy fighting for their colleagues jobs and the safety of the capitals travelling public

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09 Jan 2017 17:24 #24 by Dancingbear
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thesilentone wrote: It's plain as the nose on your face, not one of our Left Wing Union members are willing to come on here are defend the lunatics in London............

Speaks volumes.....


I'm not defending anyone or condemning them as I don't know enough about it. What I do know is from my experience no one goes on strike just for a extra day off. Khan really needs to get them round the table and sort it out. Prob is I think May has put a lot of hard nosed ministers in place who don't want to show perceived weakness in a lot of key departments.

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09 Jan 2017 18:28 #25 by Zebby
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Well it cost me best part of a hundred quid to go on strike for a day in November definitely not good value for a day stood in the pissing down rain...certainly wouldn't class it as a day off

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Zebby wrote: Well it cost me best part of a hundred quid to go on strike for a day in November definitely not good value for a day stood in the pissing down rain...certainly wouldn't class it as a day off


Maybe it would be best to strike when it is hot?
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09 Jan 2017 20:22 #27 by thesilentone
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Support for striking Tube drivers at all time high as public backing reaches 0.1%

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09 Jan 2017 20:27 #28 by CCU
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thesilentone wrote: Support for striking Tube drivers at all time high as public backing reaches 0.1%


Except it's the Station Staff on strike... :blink:

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09 Jan 2017 20:37 - 09 Jan 2017 20:37 #29 by munchymagic
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It is hardly like anyone gives a toss though is it regarding the strike unless you are unfortunate enough to have to live in London.

Because nobody can drive anywhere in London then they rely on these people and they know it and they keep the said people in their massively paid jobs so stop being tight arses and pay the staff what they are due and up their money and stop moaning then this stuff wouldn't happen.
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09 Jan 2017 20:56 #30 by MerseysideBlue
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CCU wrote:

thesilentone wrote: Support for striking Tube drivers at all time high as public backing reaches 0.1%


Except it's the Station Staff on strike... :blink:


Like thesilentone would let facts get in the way of his anti-union fury! :woohoo:
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09 Jan 2017 23:30 #31 by CCU
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10 Jan 2017 00:47 - 10 Jan 2017 00:47 #32 by munchymagic
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I once had a boss in the non too distant past who when I was disgruntled about having to 'cover' for other jobs in the workplace which included stuff like engineering roles etc, wasn't the fact that they were on three times the wage of me more like I could have had my hand chopped off with this machinery I wasn't trained on, he took me into the office and told me that he used to play football non league level and said that his manager once asked him what position he played in, he said midfield and the manager said wrong answer, you play whatever position that I say that you play.

Anyhow, I brought the Union in and he looked a proper twa t and he went so red in the face when the story was recalled to the Union and H&S because they were all laughing at him that - I still refer to him as Captain Redface.

Hello if you are reading this Captain Redface, you know who you are :)
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10 Jan 2017 09:27 - 10 Jan 2017 09:29 #33 by thesilentone
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CCU wrote: Bit of reading...

metro.co.uk/2017/01/09/why-is-there-a-tu...s-own-words-6371228/


Well I think any reasonable Union member is appalled by the attitude and industrial action and striking calls by the RMT, any reasonable human being would be !!

CCU, you have excelled yourself here, do you expect anyone to believe that article you attached. If that were the case, the Bully Boys would have them out striking - human rights infringements -slave labour - European court of human rights - what a load of old codswallop !!

Passenger safety Ppphtt, they do not give tuppence for anyone or anything other than themselves that is without doubt !!

They are killing Unionism, and everyone is standing back allowing it to happen..........

Keep the red flag flying !!!
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10 Jan 2017 09:41 #34 by Dancingbear
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Do you believe that 63% of people who have read that article support the strike?

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Dancingbear wrote: Do you believe that 63% of people who have read that article support the strike?


Which strike, if you mean the RMT strike, I don't believe 0.063% support it.....................Which person with an ounce of grey matter could support anything motivated by Militant Republican Bully Boys who only have one agenda.

It appears that the Socialists are resigned to the fact that they are unlikely to be in power anytime soon, so they'll just f..k it for everyone else !!
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10 Jan 2017 14:19 - 10 Jan 2017 14:24 #36 by Kangshung
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TSO has never sided with workers seeking better conditions or opposing negative changes. He has a default position, refusing to consider the possibility that some of these strikes are justified.

His indoctrination leads to his overuse of the terms 'militant' and 'socialist', and his utter failure to take an objective, balanced viewpoint on each individual case leads to his predictable, generic outbursts.

Other than that, he seems OK.
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10 Jan 2017 15:09 #37 by sirjimmyglass
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Kangshung wrote: TSO has never sided with workers seeking better conditions or opposing negative changes. He has a default position, refusing to consider the possibility that some of these strikes are justified.

His indoctrination leads to his overuse of the terms 'militant' and 'socialist', and his utter failure to take an objective, balanced viewpoint on each individual case leads to his predictable, generic outbursts.

Other than that, he seems OK.


He's just a right wing bully boy capitalist [censored], or something like that.

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10 Jan 2017 15:34 - 10 Jan 2017 15:35 #38 by Flatcap
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The working conditions of the bloke on the shop floor is falling way behind top management who are awarding themselves ridiculous pay increases.

The best way to get pay rises would be to restrict the top earner in the company to 20 times the basic pay of the lowest paid full time employee.
Bonuses should also be restricted to a maximum bonus of one years pay each year which should also include share options.

Then just watch how companies would suddenly be able to afford pay rises for everyone without the need for protracted negotiations and strikes.
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Flatcap wrote: The working conditions of the bloke on the shop floor is falling way behind top management who are awarding themselves ridiculous pay increases.

The best way to get pay rises would be to restrict the top earner in the company to 20 times the basic pay of the lowest paid full time employee.
Bonuses should also be restricted to a maximum bonus of one years pay each year which should also include share options.

Then just watch how companies would suddenly be able to afford pay rises for everyone without the need for protracted negotiations and strikes.


I agree, the problem is no one will take up the agenda, gain Union support (en mass) and set an objective of achieving this type of pay agreement.

The ones who strike are the most feather bedded, and generally where a Monopoly exists (Tube and Train Drivers, Junior Doctors, Teachers,) we are seeing less from the postal workers since they all got some boucoup shares FOC !

The lady at the top of the TUC has all the sound-bites, however she is probably obsessed with preparing the NHS agenda as the next battle-ground.

Get rid of the bald bully boys and get some people who can read, write and count, and who knows what could be achieved.

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10 Jan 2017 21:42 #40 by Dancingbear
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Itd be very much appreciated if anyone would care to sign this

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/176672

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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10 Jan 2017 22:35 #41 by DeckchairBlue
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Dancingbear wrote: Itd be very much appreciated if anyone would care to sign this

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/176672


Done x 2
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10 Jan 2017 23:27 #42 by Kangshung
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Dancingbear wrote: Itd be very much appreciated if anyone would care to sign this

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/176672


Done.
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11 Jan 2017 00:35 #43 by MerseysideBlue
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Dancingbear wrote: Itd be very much appreciated if anyone would care to sign this

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/176672


Signed as thesilentone ;) :lol:
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11 Jan 2017 09:11 #44 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dancingbear wrote: Itd be very much appreciated if anyone would care to sign this

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Signed

"The difference is the club belongs to the town and its fans.When I'm done here it.ll be better than when I came in and it.ll still belong to the town and its fans" Andy Holt. May 2017
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11 Jan 2017 09:21 #45 by thesilentone
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I am very happy to sign and support workers who are having it tough, but before I do I want to know more.

What is the average pay of those affected ?

What are the perks of the job ?

What is the holiday entitlement ?

Any death in service benefits ?

Or any other information you are willing to provide....

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11 Jan 2017 12:29 #46 by Dancingbear
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thesilentone wrote: I am very happy to sign and support workers who are having it tough, but before I do I want to know more.

What is the average pay of those affected ?

What are the perks of the job ?

What is the holiday entitlement ?

Any death in service benefits ?

Or any other information you are willing to provide....


Sign it if you want I'm not begging anyone. The job pays a decent wage and we get holidays so we may not fit into the category your looking for.

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11 Jan 2017 12:36 #47 by thesilentone
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Well, you need as many signatures as possible because your not going to get to 100,000....

So a polite ' we'll look into it ' by some nondescript secretary from the Government is the best you can expect........

...and it's a long time until July,when most will be on summer holidays with no appetite to go out on strike........

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11 Jan 2017 15:26 - 11 Jan 2017 15:27 #48 by Flatcap
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thesilentone wrote: I am very happy to sign and support workers who are having it tough, but before I do I want to know more.

What is the average pay of those affected ?

What are the perks of the job ?

What is the holiday entitlement ?

Any death in service benefits ?

Or any other information you are willing to provide....


Its some organisation if you are expecting deaths in service. Normally this comes out of the pension provisions for those who die away from work and not the company
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11 Jan 2017 15:30 #49 by thesilentone
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Maybe if your in a Union, other than that, death in service cover is fairly common and provided by many employers.

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