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13 Feb 2018 09:14 #1 by Markovitch
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Seem to be a lot of talk that this guy is going to be the next manager. I think we need a refresh and I think Curle has nothing new to offer but Lee Clark?!! Has anyone got anything good to say about him? His Chairman pumped in £8m a year at Huddesfield and he couldn't get hem up. A 9% win ratio at Blackpool. Bottom of the league at Bury. Is there anything to recommend him at all?

A Kinder/ Skelton/Edmo combo could be good or Hopkin at Livingston is well thought of by fans and Board alike. But Lee Clark!

We know the club reads this message board. If you are for or against LC now is your chance to make your voice heard before he is offered the job

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13 Feb 2018 09:19 #2 by Ellbell
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When have the owners ever listened to the fans Marko, every single fan could be against the appointment and they would still give him the job.
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13 Feb 2018 09:21 #3 by bluestblue
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I can't see him being cheap.

I can't see him getting the job.

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13 Feb 2018 09:22 #4 by nobbyblue
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Somebody told me David Hopkin was also at the game on Saturday, not sure if that was the case.

I would definitely have Skelton and Edmo before either Hopkin or Clarke.

Not sure if Kinder has anything to offer at first team level. He's just a glorified schoolteacher as far as I can see although I could be wrong! :cheer:

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13 Feb 2018 09:25 #5 by BaggersBlue
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If Lee Clark is considered a better option to KC then we know that the world's flat, Shergar's alive and the BoD are truly, TRULY lost in Peru.

He is a hopeless manager rubbish at Kilmarnock, Sunderland, Bury, Blackpool.......he's cr*p.

Enough said.
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13 Feb 2018 09:33 #6 by Waltero
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Never is the answer Ellbell never. To them we're just a source of money

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13 Feb 2018 09:35 - 13 Feb 2018 09:35 #7 by Yorkie Blue
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For me Clark is at the same level as Westley, effin useless gobsh*tes.

An expert is a person who tells you a simple thing in a confused and complicated way so as to make you think the confusion is your own fault.
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13 Feb 2018 09:38 #8 by Markovitch
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You might be right or wrong Ellbell. But if you are for or against it won't make it worse by expressing an opinion, right?

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13 Feb 2018 09:43 #9 by nobbyblue
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I'd have Grahan Westley before Lee Clarke anyday. At least he's had a bit of success as a manager.

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13 Feb 2018 09:57 #10 by markredfox73
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Both are successful at being [censored]...

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13 Feb 2018 10:11 #11 by SeepBladder
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nobbyblue wrote: Somebody told me David Hopkin was also at the game on Saturday, not sure if that was the case.

I would definitely have Skelton and Edmo before either Hopkin or Clarke.

Not sure if Kinder has anything to offer at first team level. He's just a glorified schoolteacher as far as I can see although I could be wrong! :cheer:


Hopkin was at the Livingston v Dunfermline game on Saturday.

If you don’t know your shit, you won’t know you’re shit.
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13 Feb 2018 10:33 #12 by nobbyblue
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nobbyblue wrote: Somebody told me David Hopkin was also at the game on Saturday, not sure if that was the case.

I would definitely have Skelton and Edmo before either Hopkin or Clarke.

Not sure if Kinder has anything to offer at first team level. He's just a glorified schoolteacher as far as I can see although I could be wrong! :cheer:


Hopkin was at the Livingston v Dunfermline game on Saturday.


Aye thought that. It was from a very unreliable source!
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13 Feb 2018 10:43 #13 by Dancingbear
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If Clark got the job he’d have my full support same as Keith did.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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13 Feb 2018 11:15 #14 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dancingbear wrote: If Clark got the job he’d have my full support same as Keith did.


Seems like Jenkins has a thing for lumbering us with managers who clearly have mental health issues

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13 Feb 2018 11:23 #15 by bluestblue
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Being at the game doesn't mean anything. Derek Fazackerley was at the previous home game. They can't all be coming as manager
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13 Feb 2018 11:23 #16 by Flatcap
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Ellbell wrote: When have the owners ever listened to the fans Marko, every single fan could be against the appointment and they would still give him the job.


I just hope that 95% of fans aren't against Lee Clark becoming manager.
Knowing our board that would make him a certainty.

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13 Feb 2018 12:22 #17 by Ellbell
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I know what your saying marko, but its pointless expressing my/our opinion because the owners couldn't give a shit what we want. I fear the worse from next season onwards with the owners still in charge regardless of who our manager is.

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13 Feb 2018 14:13 #18 by Mush
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bluestblue wrote: Being at the game doesn't mean anything. Derek Fazackerley was at the previous home game. They can't all be coming as manager


Isn’t he normally one of Clark’s backroom staff though?

I’ve got a feeling Clark will be our manager.

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13 Feb 2018 14:40 #19 by bluebry
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Dancingbear wrote: If Clark got the job he’d have my full support same as Keith did.


same as Keith'DID' :cheer:

Same as me, just wondering how long it would last? If his past record is anything to go by then not long.
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13 Feb 2018 16:16 #20 by Dancingbear
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Dancingbear wrote: If Clark got the job he’d have my full support same as Keith did.


same as Keith'DID' :cheer:

Same as me, just wondering how long it would last? If his past record is anything to go by then not long.


On this occasion it lasted a bit longer than yours did ;)

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13 Feb 2018 16:42 #21 by bluebry
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bluebry wrote:

Dancingbear wrote: If Clark got the job he’d have my full support same as Keith did.


same as Keith'DID' :cheer:

Same as me, just wondering how long it would last? If his past record is anything to go by then not long.


On this occasion it lasted a bit longer than yours did ;)


Really, really don't know what you mean Dancing!! me and Keith are best of buddies ;)
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13 Feb 2018 16:54 #22 by Markovitch
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Maybe it's a very clever piece of reverse psychology. They want edmo & Skelton but think the fans will call them cheap. So they start a rumour that a disaster like Clark will get the job then the fans beg for e&s?
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13 Feb 2018 17:10 - 13 Feb 2018 17:10 #23 by nobbyblue
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I can't see Steve Patt coming up with that. :cheer:
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13 Feb 2018 17:18 #24 by munchymagic
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Markovitch wrote: Maybe it's a very clever piece of reverse psychology. They want edmo & Skelton but think the fans will call them cheap. So they start a rumour that a disaster like Clark will get the job then the fans beg for e&s?


If we cannot keep Keith then can we just have none of them you mentioned please?

I cannot imagine the board coming up with anyone that is not a cheap option.

There could be fireworks tonight if JP pushes the right buttons with KC :)

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13 Feb 2018 17:28 #25 by NORTHERNSOUL
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nobbyblue wrote: I can't see Steve Patt coming up with that. :cheer:


I cant see Steve Patt even understanding that #thicktwat

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14 Feb 2018 12:30 #26 by triskelionblue
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I am starting to think give Curle one more season... tell him to get his summer transfer targets lined up now... get rid of the dross and injury prone... and give some other players a chance to assess them before the end of the season (O'Sullivan apart who is woeful).

However, as this board of custodians have zero ambition it will be:

a) keep Curle with the remit of mid-table next season so continue with the same dross

b) sack Curle and go for a cheaper option and it doesn't matter if it goes tits up as they won't mind further decline into the National League

And I doubt it will be c:

c) show some ambition to get someone in that can do a Coleman etc like at Accrington to aim for promotion next season

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14 Feb 2018 14:15 #27 by Lancs blue
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I am fairly sure Cibbens sacked Clark at Huddersfield so would be really surprised if he then was to get taken on here
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14 Feb 2018 14:39 - 14 Feb 2018 14:46 #28 by NORTHERNSOUL
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triskelionblue wrote: I am starting to think give Curle one more season... tell him to get his summer transfer targets lined up now... get rid of the dross and injury prone... and give some other players a chance to assess them before the end of the season (O'Sullivan apart who is woeful).

However, as this board of custodians have zero ambition it will be:

a) keep Curle with the remit of mid-table next season so continue with the same dross

b) sack Curle and go for a cheaper option and it doesn't matter if it goes tits up as they won't mind further decline into the National League

And I doubt it will be c:

c) show some ambition to get someone in that can do a Coleman etc like at Accrington to aim for promotion next season


And the way to do that is NOT by appointing busted flush managers like Curle Clark and Brown but either by taking a chance on a virtual unknown from Scotland or Non League like Lincoln did with the Cowleys or by putting an old head who knows how football works from top to bottom like Exeter did with Perryman in charge and let him employ up and coming coaches and give them their chance but on contracts that make it easier to get rid without a fuss if it isnt working out [Never understood how you can sack the youth coach overnight without any fuss but sacking the first team manager turns into a major trauma ]

Stop trying to fund a squad of superstars concentrate the budget on paying a core of a dozen good standard pros supplemented with players from a properly funded development squad and loan players both from down the pecking order but also from those a bit further up it in the championship and the secret to that is to do what Accy have done which is to create a regime where clubs see sending their players to you as a part of their development and not as somewhere they can get to develop their players for them while charging them to do it.

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14 Feb 2018 15:38 - 14 Feb 2018 15:40 #29 by DeckchairBlue
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It's all well and good calling for the board to appoint an unknown, but you can guarantee as soon as they did, the majority of fans would kick off because of a lack of ambition/cheap option rather than seeing it as some kind of master plan.

Lincoln didn't appoint an unknown when they got the Cowleys, they had gotten Concord to national league south then got Braintree to finish 3rd in the conference, when Lincoln finished 13th that season. (Braintree got relegated last season)
They managed to grab a manager on an upward trajectory whilst at the same time securing a lot of investment from Clive Nates.
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14 Feb 2018 16:02 #30 by NORTHERNSOUL
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DeckchairBlue wrote: It's all well and good calling for the board to appoint an unknown, but you can guarantee as soon as they did, the majority of fans would kick off because of a lack of ambition/cheap option rather than seeing it as some kind of master plan.

Lincoln didn't appoint an unknown when they got the Cowleys, they had gotten Concord to national league south then got Braintree to finish 3rd in the conference, when Lincoln finished 13th that season. (Braintree got relegated last season)
They managed to grab a manager on an upward trajectory whilst at the same time securing a lot of investment from Clive Nates.


Yes youre right if you just appointed him and left it at that but i think if an unknown came in who interacted with the fans and who explained in detail why he would be spending half a million a year of his budget on a development squad at the same time introducing its first signings lads released from PL academies for who there is history suggesting they were going to be the next best thing but have simply lost their way a bit and at the same time linking up with things like Vardys non-league player scheme and the Hoddle accadamy basically explaining how things were going to be different.

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14 Feb 2018 16:17 #31 by Happyblue
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You find when big name managers drop down to league 2, its because their stock is on the slide, they've had more failures than success of late, Football is a changeable thing new tactics, new methods of coaching has left them behind so they begin their fall from up and coming manager to an outdated one. Sometimes You get lucky get one who's had an unlucky few years. Then you have the option of the upcoming, the young manager trying to make a name for him self either after his first gig or been floating around the non-league scene for a couple of years. Both are risky, both have their pro's and Con's.

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14 Feb 2018 16:24 - 14 Feb 2018 16:34 #32 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Happyblue wrote: You find when big name managers drop down to league 2, its because their stock is on the slide, they've had more failures than success of late, Football is a changeable thing new tactics, new methods of coaching has left them behind so they begin their fall from up and coming manager to an outdated one. Sometimes You get lucky get one who's had an unlucky few years. Then you have the option of the upcoming, the young manager trying to make a name for him self either after his first gig or been floating around the non-league scene for a couple of years. Both are risky, both have their pro's and Con's.


But one of them means that you don't have to put up with lunatic insane ramblings of people who think the world owes them a living because they were once bit part PL players and for me that makes the decision a very simple one.

And as for new methods, i.ll tell you now that give the same squad of players to Bob Stokoe / Brian Clough / Bill Shankly and 9 times out of 10 theyd beat the same squad of players under some manager using your newfangled ideas football is a simple game played by simple people watched from the terraces by the real people in the know the fans and only gets complicated when a bunch of think they know the lot intellectuals at the likes of FIFA and UEFA poke their noses in.

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14 Feb 2018 17:08 #33 by nobbyblue
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Happyblue wrote: You find when big name managers drop down to league 2, its because their stock is on the slide, they've had more failures than success of late, Football is a changeable thing new tactics, new methods of coaching has left them behind so they begin their fall from up and coming manager to an outdated one. Sometimes You get lucky get one who's had an unlucky few years. Then you have the option of the upcoming, the young manager trying to make a name for him self either after his first gig or been floating around the non-league scene for a couple of years. Both are risky, both have their pro's and Con's.


But one of them means that you don't have to put up with lunatic insane ramblings of people who think the world owes them a living because they were once bit part PL players and for me that makes the decision a very simple one.

And as for new methods, i.ll tell you now that give the same squad of players to Bob Stokoe / Brian Clough / Bill Shankly and 9 times out of 10 theyd beat the same squad of players under some manager using your newfangled ideas football is a simple game played by simple people watched from the terraces by the real people in the know the fans and only gets complicated when a bunch of think they know the lot intellectuals at the likes of FIFA and UEFA poke their noses in.


Aye the old days were the best.

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14 Feb 2018 17:12 - 14 Feb 2018 17:13 #34 by HuntingHorn
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Clark would be a disaster as manager. He’s bound to have a dwindling list of contacts left to do him any favours further up the ladder in Loan deals for example... he’s made a dogs dinner of every management job he’s had, I don’t see anything in him that suggests that wouldn’t be the case at Carlisle too.
Nice lad, just not cut out to be a manager.

As said above, it’s incredible how many managers can’t see what’s right in front of them.
How many have a player playing out of their natural position just to suit a system...
England have been the worst offenders for forcing people out on the wings for decades just to fit others into the midfield...actual wide players sit on the bench while a centre forward plays out wide...
Clough, Shankley and the likes were successful mostly because they took players for a single position who could play that position and do it generally in a straight forward 4-4-2 they’ve all played since they were children....why make it harder?

If you can't beat em.... shoot em.
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14 Feb 2018 17:50 #35 by Happyblue
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Happyblue wrote: You find when big name managers drop down to league 2, its because their stock is on the slide, they've had more failures than success of late, Football is a changeable thing new tactics, new methods of coaching has left them behind so they begin their fall from up and coming manager to an outdated one. Sometimes You get lucky get one who's had an unlucky few years. Then you have the option of the upcoming, the young manager trying to make a name for him self either after his first gig or been floating around the non-league scene for a couple of years. Both are risky, both have their pro's and Con's.


But one of them means that you don't have to put up with lunatic insane ramblings of people who think the world owes them a living because they were once bit part PL players and for me that makes the decision a very simple one.

And as for new methods, i.ll tell you now that give the same squad of players to Bob Stokoe / Brian Clough / Bill Shankly and 9 times out of 10 theyd beat the same squad of players under some manager using your newfangled ideas football is a simple game played by simple people watched from the terraces by the real people in the know the fans and only gets complicated when a bunch of think they know the lot intellectuals at the likes of FIFA and UEFA poke their noses in.

Not sure how true that is, the fitness level of a modern footballer is far higher than 10 years ago let alone 30 years ago, as Alan Smith (D.O.B 1962) Often says.

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14 Feb 2018 18:49 #36 by Bruntonpasty
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Which or who is Alan Smith?

They don't like it up 'em!

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14 Feb 2018 18:52 #37 by munchymagic
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Bruntonpasty wrote: Which or who is Alan Smith?


I would guess it would be 'Smudger' :)

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14 Feb 2018 19:02 #38 by Bruntonpasty
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Smudger? Hmmm ........no wiser really? Not Alan Smith at Notts county? No way was he born 1962!! Or do you mean the Alan Smith that played for Arsenal?

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14 Feb 2018 19:12 #39 by munchymagic
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Bruntonpasty wrote: Smudger? Hmmm ........no wiser really? Not Alan Smith at Notts county? No way was he born 1962!! Or do you mean the Alan Smith that played for Arsenal?


I would guess that is the one but could be wrong.

Only called him that as I heard Ian Wright refer to him as Smudger recently and the born in 1962 would probably fit.

Seems to be on the radio a lot at the moment, a very underrated player in his time I thought - seemed sensible and kept his head down.

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14 Feb 2018 20:19 #40 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Happyblue wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Happyblue wrote: You find when big name managers drop down to league 2, its because their stock is on the slide, they've had more failures than success of late, Football is a changeable thing new tactics, new methods of coaching has left them behind so they begin their fall from up and coming manager to an outdated one. Sometimes You get lucky get one who's had an unlucky few years. Then you have the option of the upcoming, the young manager trying to make a name for him self either after his first gig or been floating around the non-league scene for a couple of years. Both are risky, both have their pro's and Con's.


But one of them means that you don't have to put up with lunatic insane ramblings of people who think the world owes them a living because they were once bit part PL players and for me that makes the decision a very simple one.

And as for new methods, i.ll tell you now that give the same squad of players to Bob Stokoe / Brian Clough / Bill Shankly and 9 times out of 10 theyd beat the same squad of players under some manager using your newfangled ideas football is a simple game played by simple people watched from the terraces by the real people in the know the fans and only gets complicated when a bunch of think they know the lot intellectuals at the likes of FIFA and UEFA poke their noses in.

Not sure how true that is, the fitness level of a modern footballer is far higher than 10 years ago let alone 30 years ago, as Alan Smith (D.O.B 1962) Often says.


Well you fill your team full of fit players i.ll fill mine full with a mixture of skillfull players, players with guille and players whod run thru brick walls for me and we.d take yours to the cleaners nine times out of ten and how fit your players are wouldnt even come into it.

Probably well before your time but you may of heard of a player called Warren Aspinall. Its well documented how he lived his life and probably nowhere near as fit as your fit players today but i.ll tell you what he had more of the requisites of a footballer then any of our current squad of fit footballers none of whom i would suggest are fit to lace his boots

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14 Feb 2018 20:26 #41 by Dancingbear
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Happyblue wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Happyblue wrote: You find when big name managers drop down to league 2, its because their stock is on the slide, they've had more failures than success of late, Football is a changeable thing new tactics, new methods of coaching has left them behind so they begin their fall from up and coming manager to an outdated one. Sometimes You get lucky get one who's had an unlucky few years. Then you have the option of the upcoming, the young manager trying to make a name for him self either after his first gig or been floating around the non-league scene for a couple of years. Both are risky, both have their pro's and Con's.


But one of them means that you don't have to put up with lunatic insane ramblings of people who think the world owes them a living because they were once bit part PL players and for me that makes the decision a very simple one.

And as for new methods, i.ll tell you now that give the same squad of players to Bob Stokoe / Brian Clough / Bill Shankly and 9 times out of 10 theyd beat the same squad of players under some manager using your newfangled ideas football is a simple game played by simple people watched from the terraces by the real people in the know the fans and only gets complicated when a bunch of think they know the lot intellectuals at the likes of FIFA and UEFA poke their noses in.

Not sure how true that is, the fitness level of a modern footballer is far higher than 10 years ago let alone 30 years ago, as Alan Smith (D.O.B 1962) Often says.


Well you fill your team full of fit players i.ll fill mine full with a mixture of skillfull players, players with guille and players whod run thru brick walls for me and we.d take yours to the cleaners nine times out of ten and how fit your players are wouldnt even come into it.

Probably well before your time but you may of heard of a player called Warren Aspinall. Its well documented how he lived his life and probably nowhere near as fit as your fit players today but i.ll tell you what he had more of the requisites of a footballer then any of our current squad of fit footballers none of whom i would suggest are fit to lace his boots


Oh for a midfield with Aspinall, Davy and Hayward in it. Probably Conway as well.

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14 Feb 2018 20:30 #42 by DeckchairBlue
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A classic v modern game would probably hinge massively on the standards it was refereed to. Most older players would be sent off 5 times a game nowadays.

Even so I'd say a Pep Man City/Barcelona team would win.

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14 Feb 2018 20:33 #43 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dancingbear wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Happyblue wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Happyblue wrote: You find when big name managers drop down to league 2, its because their stock is on the slide, they've had more failures than success of late, Football is a changeable thing new tactics, new methods of coaching has left them behind so they begin their fall from up and coming manager to an outdated one. Sometimes You get lucky get one who's had an unlucky few years. Then you have the option of the upcoming, the young manager trying to make a name for him self either after his first gig or been floating around the non-league scene for a couple of years. Both are risky, both have their pro's and Con's.


But one of them means that you don't have to put up with lunatic insane ramblings of people who think the world owes them a living because they were once bit part PL players and for me that makes the decision a very simple one.

And as for new methods, i.ll tell you now that give the same squad of players to Bob Stokoe / Brian Clough / Bill Shankly and 9 times out of 10 theyd beat the same squad of players under some manager using your newfangled ideas football is a simple game played by simple people watched from the terraces by the real people in the know the fans and only gets complicated when a bunch of think they know the lot intellectuals at the likes of FIFA and UEFA poke their noses in.

Not sure how true that is, the fitness level of a modern footballer is far higher than 10 years ago let alone 30 years ago, as Alan Smith (D.O.B 1962) Often says.


Well you fill your team full of fit players i.ll fill mine full with a mixture of skillfull players, players with guille and players whod run thru brick walls for me and we.d take yours to the cleaners nine times out of ten and how fit your players are wouldnt even come into it.

Probably well before your time but you may of heard of a player called Warren Aspinall. Its well documented how he lived his life and probably nowhere near as fit as your fit players today but i.ll tell you what he had more of the requisites of a footballer then any of our current squad of fit footballers none of whom i would suggest are fit to lace his boots


Oh for a midfield with Aspinall, Davy and Hayward in it. Probably Conway as well.


Aye DB those were the days eh Players the likes of Mr Happy never had the pleasue of and will therefore never know what proper footballers were like.

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14 Feb 2018 20:33 #44 by munchymagic
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Happyblue wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Happyblue wrote: You find when big name managers drop down to league 2, its because their stock is on the slide, they've had more failures than success of late, Football is a changeable thing new tactics, new methods of coaching has left them behind so they begin their fall from up and coming manager to an outdated one. Sometimes You get lucky get one who's had an unlucky few years. Then you have the option of the upcoming, the young manager trying to make a name for him self either after his first gig or been floating around the non-league scene for a couple of years. Both are risky, both have their pro's and Con's.


But one of them means that you don't have to put up with lunatic insane ramblings of people who think the world owes them a living because they were once bit part PL players and for me that makes the decision a very simple one.

And as for new methods, i.ll tell you now that give the same squad of players to Bob Stokoe / Brian Clough / Bill Shankly and 9 times out of 10 theyd beat the same squad of players under some manager using your newfangled ideas football is a simple game played by simple people watched from the terraces by the real people in the know the fans and only gets complicated when a bunch of think they know the lot intellectuals at the likes of FIFA and UEFA poke their noses in.

Not sure how true that is, the fitness level of a modern footballer is far higher than 10 years ago let alone 30 years ago, as Alan Smith (D.O.B 1962) Often says.


Well you fill your team full of fit players i.ll fill mine full with a mixture of skillfull players, players with guille and players whod run thru brick walls for me and we.d take yours to the cleaners nine times out of ten and how fit your players are wouldnt even come into it.

Probably well before your time but you may of heard of a player called Warren Aspinall. Its well documented how he lived his life and probably nowhere near as fit as your fit players today but i.ll tell you what he had more of the requisites of a footballer then any of our current squad of fit footballers none of whom i would suggest are fit to lace his boots


I was totally amazed when we signed Warren Aspinall, obviously getting on a bit but how on earth we managed to sign such a player was great.

Signing him was a signal of our intent to add quality to the team and a desire to go places, can not have come cheap.

Where are your marquee signings Mr Jenkins, oh and who will be the manager to sign them please?

Another scam leaving things till the last minute, Keiths contract expires they wait ages to sign a new manager then scrap around and fill the team full of Joachim style signings because they needed to make sure that they had the right candidate as manager.

Just where is the 'buzz' coming from - and as it would cost money then we are not getting it unfortunately.

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14 Feb 2018 20:38 #45 by NORTHERNSOUL
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DeckchairBlue wrote: A classic v modern game would probably hinge massively on the standards it was refereed to. Most older players would be sent off 5 times a game nowadays.

Even so I'd say a Pep Man City/Barcelona team would win.


There was a video doing the rounds that showed 15 tackles in 45 seconds every one of which would probrably be a sending off offence today not one of which was even deemed to be a foul never mind a booking.

And using the current Man City side is taking things a bit to the extreme lol

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14 Feb 2018 20:53 - 14 Feb 2018 20:55 #46 by DeckchairBlue
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote: A classic v modern game would probably hinge massively on the standards it was refereed to. Most older players would be sent off 5 times a game nowadays.

Even so I'd say a Pep Man City/Barcelona team would win.


There was a video doing the rounds that showed 15 tackles in 45 seconds every one of which would probrably be a sending off offence today not one of which was even deemed to be a foul never mind a booking.

And using the current Man City side is taking things a bit to the extreme lol


Extreme yes, but it's just about the peak of modern football isn't it.

From what I've seen "proper football" basically seems to been a fight on a pitch with a ball somewhere nearby.

Just shows how good skilful players like Pele and Maradona were back then when they were that good and had to deal with defenders genuinely trying to hurt them every game, when now Neymar crys in press conferences because people are saying mean things about him.
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14 Feb 2018 21:46 - 14 Feb 2018 21:46 #47 by CCU
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Pele couldn't lace Maradona’s boots!

If Diego was around nowadays, Messi wouldn’t get a mention...

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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14 Feb 2018 21:52 #48 by Zebby
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Dancingbear wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Happyblue wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Happyblue wrote: You find when big name managers drop down to league 2, its because their stock is on the slide, they've had more failures than success of late, Football is a changeable thing new tactics, new methods of coaching has left them behind so they begin their fall from up and coming manager to an outdated one. Sometimes You get lucky get one who's had an unlucky few years. Then you have the option of the upcoming, the young manager trying to make a name for him self either after his first gig or been floating around the non-league scene for a couple of years. Both are risky, both have their pro's and Con's.


But one of them means that you don't have to put up with lunatic insane ramblings of people who think the world owes them a living because they were once bit part PL players and for me that makes the decision a very simple one.

And as for new methods, i.ll tell you now that give the same squad of players to Bob Stokoe / Brian Clough / Bill Shankly and 9 times out of 10 theyd beat the same squad of players under some manager using your newfangled ideas football is a simple game played by simple people watched from the terraces by the real people in the know the fans and only gets complicated when a bunch of think they know the lot intellectuals at the likes of FIFA and UEFA poke their noses in.

Not sure how true that is, the fitness level of a modern footballer is far higher than 10 years ago let alone 30 years ago, as Alan Smith (D.O.B 1962) Often says.


Well you fill your team full of fit players i.ll fill mine full with a mixture of skillfull players, players with guille and players whod run thru brick walls for me and we.d take yours to the cleaners nine times out of ten and how fit your players are wouldnt even come into it.

Probably well before your time but you may of heard of a player called Warren Aspinall. Its well documented how he lived his life and probably nowhere near as fit as your fit players today but i.ll tell you what he had more of the requisites of a footballer then any of our current squad of fit footballers none of whom i would suggest are fit to lace his boots


Oh for a midfield with Aspinall, Davy and Hayward in it. Probably Conway as well.


no probably about it...Conway one of my all time favorites one of our most underated players ever pure class

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14 Feb 2018 22:54 #49 by Croydonblue
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Seem to remember having quality at left back in those days as well
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15 Feb 2018 08:08 #50 by Bruntonpasty
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Owen Archdeacon, definitely one of the best left backs I've seen play for us.

They don't like it up 'em!

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