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16 Apr 2018 11:23 #1 by whytakemypostcode
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Hardly surprising considering half of them don't know how they will pay the bills come the summer.

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16 Apr 2018 11:55 #2 by Cayambe
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Some message boarders simply do not believe that events off the pitch impact performance on the pitch - so it is all KC's fault!
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16 Apr 2018 12:59 #3 by Dancingbear
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whytakemypostcode wrote: www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlisle-utd/lates...bd74-5035436c5262-ds

Hardly surprising considering half of them don't know how they will pay the bills come the summer.


It’s hardly a new thing for lower league footballers contracts to expire. Do you suggest giving them all new ones when we’ve been average this season? No one made them do a job where they get £1500 a week apparently. Maybe they should have been saving some of it eh.

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16 Apr 2018 13:30 #4 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Cayambe wrote: Some message boarders simply do not believe that events off the pitch impact performance on the pitch - so it is all KC's fault!


Well if I was a player whose contract is expiring in the summer I know what I would be doing to ensure I got a new one

And it wouldn't involve winging about the chairman in a players meeting.

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16 Apr 2018 14:20 #5 by HuntingHorn
HuntingHorn replied the topic: Player Discontent
Is this not just another symptom of the shoddy way the club is run?
The manager and several first team players are out of contract and we have literally no idea what direction we're heading.

If we weren't planning on retaining Curle we have to have had discussions already with a successor so he's in place immediately, then he has the maximum amount of time to work with those he has and bring in those he needs....
We're so amateurish it's scary....

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16 Apr 2018 14:27 #6 by Dancingbear
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Nadeson said in his interview to James Philips at the weekend that he has no idea if hes getting a new deal at Fleetwood so it isnt just us

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16 Apr 2018 14:33 #7 by DeckchairBlue
DeckchairBlue replied the topic: Player Discontent
Why are people acting like this isn't the norm, these guys play lower league football.

The majority of contracts in L1 and L2 are 1/2 years and the majority of transfers are free transfers if our of contract players.

This means that a lot of players are getting released every single summer.

This is the norm and as DB says, they get paid a decent wage, they have a choice, keep on playing football and get paid £1k+ a week but face the uncertainty of being our of work every 1/2 years until you find a new club, or go work in Tescos and have a guaranteed job.
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16 Apr 2018 15:14 #8 by CCU
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It’s never been a problem in previous seasons. The reason it’s a bit more in the air than usual is the Manager is also in limbo. That’s the only difference...

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16 Apr 2018 15:38 #9 by munchymagic
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CCU wrote: It’s never been a problem in previous seasons. The reason it’s a bit more in the air than usual is the Manager is also in limbo. That’s the only difference...


I heard Keith say in an interview that normally he would have had a word in the players ears by now if they were to stay or go but what with him not knowing the situation with himself he mischievously said I point them in the right direction to his 'line manager' Clibbens who has to take all of the earache from players from now on it would seem.

Waste of time in my opinion relieving Keith of his responsibilities now really as our current record isn't terrible and they would probably only put it into the hands of someone who isn't going to get the job at the end of the season anyway.

Lets face it, if they valued Keith at all and were going to offer him a new contract then it would have been done by now so like said before their target may already be in work till the end of the season.

Unfortunately for whoever this is one of the lowest ebbs ownership wise of my time watching the club therefore the worst time to take on the managers job especially with Jenkins not spending and unable to generate money.

The job will be a hiding to nothing.
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16 Apr 2018 16:37 #10 by newcarlislefan
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DeckchairBlue wrote: Why are people acting like this isn't the norm, these guys play lower league football.

The majority of contracts in L1 and L2 are 1/2 years and the majority of transfers are free transfers if our of contract players.

This means that a lot of players are getting released every single summer.

This is the norm and as DB says, they get paid a decent wage, they have a choice, keep on playing football and get paid £1k+ a week but face the uncertainty of being our of work every 1/2 years until you find a new club, or go work in Tescos and have a guaranteed job.


Yes, I've always felt that footballers are incredibly lucky to get paid to do something which we all would love to be doing. I've never bought the arguement really that it's a short career or could be ended by one bad tackle. I had a friend who worked in the NHS as a Union rep. They tried to say he'd been lying about his hours and suspended him for 2 months, Luckily he was cleared but he could have been fired and it would have made getting other similar work tricky.
I think years ago then fair enough but even in L2 the average pay is supposed to be 40k ish nowadays so not a bad whack really. I appreciate not everybody gets that but still it's not a bad way to earn a living. No 12 hour shifts, working through the night, cleaning other people's mess up etc. And when you are sick or ill you get access to top class treatment.
I've always though that in the lower leagues the football career is the part where you get the house paid off and get some savings in the bank.Some might do it and others won't earn enough to do that but it's still not bad having 10 or 15 years living playing the game we love and getting paid reasonable money for it.
Your average footballer at least gets his late teens, 20s and 30s living the dream and I'm sure it's not all it's cracked up to be still not a bad way to earn a living.
Don't get me wrong I don't begrudge them a penny of it. I'm jealous as hell and would love to be in their boots!
However after football it's not as if life stops or you can't get any money any more! Come and join the rest of us in the everyday world and do the 9-5 or 6-6. The milkman, postman, estate agent, coach, electrician, taxi driver, IT worker, physio, etc etc.
However, having said all of that I honestly can't believe having a situation like we have at the moment, where there is such uncertainty, can be a good thing at the club either on a day to day basis or going forward.
I'm sure it is normal to some extent that you get this at clubs in the lower leagues but if I hadn't been offered a new contract or I didn't know the future of the manager who signed me then you'd be daft not to be on the phone to your agent.

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16 Apr 2018 17:45 #11 by The Archer
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The Board deserve credit for the way, so far, they’ve not rushed into a decision. We couldn’t have afforded, nor did Curle deserve, to be paid off. He’s done a reasonable job, but on a generous budget that we can’t afford to maintain in future.

No new contracts should be offered until Curle’s replacement is here, which will be very soon, judging by the hints dropped by Clibbens. I hope the new manager has been watching us, doing early planning.

I don’t think we’ve missed out yet by not offering new deals.

The likes of Joyce, Grainger, Ellis and Reggie are league two journeymen.

Decisions on others like Clint and Adams should be down to the new manager who might be confident he can use their wages to bring in younger talent, or to strengthen other areas of the team.
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17 Apr 2018 15:02 #12 by DeckchairBlue
DeckchairBlue replied the topic: Player Discontent
If the club value some of our players highly, such as Adams, Hill, Jones etc there is nothing stopping them from offering them contracts and the new manager (if we get one) when knowing he has those players in place.

Situations like this is why a lot of higher teams are now moving to a director of football and head coach model whereby the continuity of the club is protected and a coach is just brought in to coach a group of players, rather than the British model where the manager historically has had control of everything.

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17 Apr 2018 15:09 #13 by CCU
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Jones has a contract for next season?

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17 Apr 2018 15:12 #14 by Dancingbear
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Didn’t Clibbens say at the forum that until they know Adams medical results they don’t know if he’ll be fit to play again? Crazy to offer a good contract to a player if that’s the case.

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17 Apr 2018 15:26 #15 by Happyblue
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Players out of contract: (or as far as I'm aware CCU can always correct me)
Reggie Lambe- Would be happy to see him leave
John O'Sullivan-Would be happy to see him leave
Mark Ellis- Great since coming back but rumoured to be on high wage, so would need to be offered lower terms
Jamal Campbell-Ryce- Hasn't done anything to prove he's worth a new contract.
Luke Joyce- Keep
Tom Miller- Leave
Danny Grainger- 50/50
Samir Nabi-Leave
Gary Liddle -Keep, been excellent this season
Clint Hill- Keep, He's instrumental in improving the defence.

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17 Apr 2018 15:27 #16 by SeepBladder
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Dancingbear wrote: Didn’t Clibbens say at the forum that until they know Adams medical results they don’t know if he’ll be fit to play again? Crazy to offer a good contract to a player if that’s the case.


Perhaps his contract could include a clause stipulating that unless he achieved 100% physical fitness by a certain date, the contract would be null and void. I don’t know if that sort of clause is ever included in a footballer’s contract, though.

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17 Apr 2018 15:33 - 17 Apr 2018 15:34 #17 by CCU
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Liddle got an extension Happy. Shaun Miller will be out of contract too...

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17 Apr 2018 15:37 #18 by Happyblue
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CCU wrote: Liddle got an extension Happy. Shaun Miller will be out of contract too...

Thanks forgot about his Extention, I feel Shaun Miller will be gone as well, ,

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17 Apr 2018 15:42 #19 by moose
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Not offering out new contracts is the strongest indication possible that Curle is on his way out.
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17 Apr 2018 15:57 #20 by Happyblue
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CCU wrote: Liddle got an extension Happy. Shaun Miller will be out of contract too...

Thanks forgot about his Extention, I feel Shaun Miller will be gone as well, ,

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17 Apr 2018 18:36 #21 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dancingbear wrote: Didn’t Clibbens say at the forum that until they know Adams medical results they don’t know if he’ll be fit to play again? Crazy to offer a good contract to a player if that’s the case.


Simple answer give him a two-year contract that kicks in on Aug 1st subject to a surgeon signing him off as fully fit and recovered if other clubs know we have this they're not going to be able to get him to sign a contract as they wouldn't be able to insure him.

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