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30 Apr 2018 17:06 #1 by CCU

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30 Apr 2018 19:11 #2 by Urban Designer
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When i went to the Sunderland match I arrived 30 mins before kickoff to an empty stadium. The Lad outside the Warwick had ran out of programs. Maybe if they were on commission they would make more of an effort. How many do we sell nowadays?

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30 Apr 2018 19:24 #3 by Happyblue
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If they stop them people will complain, but if people don't buy them then why should they keep making them.

Owners like the stadium, full of Sh!T

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30 Apr 2018 19:31 #4 by Urban Designer
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They need to have them in their hands to sell them - no excuse not having any 1/2 hour before the match.

I'm not sure what the profit margin is but another income lost if it goes ahead.

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30 Apr 2018 19:40 #5 by Dancingbear
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I doubt they’d want to stop them if they were profitable. Mind you it’s probably too much hassle for our lot. Don’t think I’ve bought one for 20 years.

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30 Apr 2018 19:41 #6 by Happyblue
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Urban Designer wrote: They need to have them in their hands to sell them - no excuse not having any 1/2 hour before the match.

I'm not sure what the profit margin is but another income lost if it goes ahead.

Only a loss if clubs make the choice not to produce them,

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30 Apr 2018 19:44 #7 by Urban Designer
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We have a club that can't be bothered with providing their own catering, can't be bothered to clean shit of the seats. Wonder which way they will vote on this one.....

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30 Apr 2018 20:12 #8 by unioncityblue
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Maybe they could license the programme out, to ensure there’s one produced for every game and that the club receives a set income per season rather than be concerned over poor sales.

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30 Apr 2018 20:20 #9 by Bumble
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It isn't worth the effort, much better to put those hours into the website.

People want instant news that costs nothing and is instant access.

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30 Apr 2018 20:27 #10 by unioncityblue
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Bumble wrote: It isn't worth the effort, much better to put those hours into the website.

People want instant news that costs nothing and is instant access.


I agree, that’s why the club should outsource the programme to whoever wants to take it on.

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30 Apr 2018 20:45 #11 by Dancingbear
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But if it doesnt make a profit whos gonna want to take it on?. Unless you collect them i really cant see any point in buying one.

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30 Apr 2018 20:50 #12 by Ibogaine
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I’ve been boycotting them ever since they ditched Brewsters Brunton Beat

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30 Apr 2018 20:59 #13 by DeckchairBlue
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Used to like getting them when I was a kid, but can get all of the stuff in them online now.

Print media in general is moving towards digital formats so this makes sense.

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30 Apr 2018 21:04 #14 by CCU
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DeckchairBlue wrote: Used to like getting them when I was a kid, but can get all of the stuff in them online now.

Print media in general is moving towards digital formats so this makes sense.


Used to buy one, to look through opposition squad, maybe check some stats. Can do all that on my phone now and save £3.

Think we should keep one, but literally a 12/16 page at £1, with the basic stuff such as Manager article, L2 update, Stats and Away Team Guide.

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30 Apr 2018 21:11 #15 by munchymagic
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CCU wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote: Used to like getting them when I was a kid, but can get all of the stuff in them online now.

Print media in general is moving towards digital formats so this makes sense.


Used to buy one, to look through opposition squad, maybe check some stats. Can do all that on my phone now and save £3.

Think we should keep one, but literally a 12/16 page at £1, with the basic stuff such as Manager article, L2 update, Stats and Away Team Guide.


That sounds more like it, would probably sell more as well.
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30 Apr 2018 21:40 #16 by Zebby
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In this day and age of instant news delivered to you your mobile they are a bit out dated I have never been a one for buying them but can see the attraction for saddos I mean collectors

Really have no idea if they make a profit or not for clubs maybe could replace them with a monthly magazine

Be just and fear not

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30 Apr 2018 21:47 #17 by cufcdeano
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Urban Designer wrote: When i went to the Sunderland match I arrived 30 mins before kickoff to an empty stadium. The Lad outside the Warwick had ran out of programs. Maybe if they were on commission they would make more of an effort. How many do we sell nowadays?


They are on commission. Or at least, they were. My nephew helped sell programmes for the Everton game after a request for more programme sellers as a one-off. He got paid based on the number of programmes sold. Didn't do him any favours mind, made him stand with a regular at the away end. Didn't sell twice as many having both of them there.

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30 Apr 2018 22:13 #18 by Bumble
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munchymagic wrote:

CCU wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote: Used to like getting them when I was a kid, but can get all of the stuff in them online now.

Print media in general is moving towards digital formats so this makes sense.


Used to buy one, to look through opposition squad, maybe check some stats. Can do all that on my phone now and save £3.

Think we should keep one, but literally a 12/16 page at £1, with the basic stuff such as Manager article, L2 update, Stats and Away Team Guide.


That sounds more like it, would probably sell more as well.


The club did that, think it was 10/11 season, it was an 8 page programme, with stats teams and statutory EFL adverts, sold for £1. They weren't popular and they went back to a normal sized ones the following season.

I was disappointed because I thought the mini programme, backed up by a bi-monthly decent magazine that didn't have any time sensitive stuff in was the way to go
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30 Apr 2018 23:14 #19 by ExiledJock
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Be ironic if the fanzine outlasts the official publication.

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01 May 2018 08:48 #20 by heilkmoon
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I developed a superstition in the mid 80s when we started slipping down the divisions that it was unlucky if I bought a programme.

I think they've had their day, people don't seem to set a lot of store by official club news any more and would rather make their own up.
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01 May 2018 10:36 #21 by triskelionblue
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heilkmoon wrote: I developed a superstition in the mid 80s when we started slipping down the divisions that it was unlucky if I bought a programme.

I think they've had their day, people don't seem to set a lot of store by official club news any more and would rather make their own up.


same here i don't buy one as it is unlucky

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01 May 2018 10:39 #22 by Dancingbear
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The luck we’ve got any chance of you all buying one on Saturday.

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01 May 2018 10:44 #23 by thesilentone
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Don't know, sit around on them for 79 years and make a fortune: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Carlisle-United-v-Dar...7:g:rcAAAOSw0-Ba5cl3
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01 May 2018 11:57 #24 by orfc
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If they were a £1 each, they'd be worth buying for something to read at half-time. Better than futilely trying to get internet access in the warwick and squinting at a 4-inch screen.

But if you're flogging them as a premium £3 product, they've got to have stuff in them that the website doesn't have - and not just "you're all [censored]" in the chairman's notes

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01 May 2018 13:19 - 01 May 2018 13:29 #25 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bumble wrote: It isn't worth the effort, much better to put those hours into the website.

People want instant news that costs nothing and is instant access.


Probably not the way they seem to do it everything is seen as a chore

From a couple of CUFC ones i.ve seen this season they are very outdated and in no way cutting edge at all with not a hint of anything controversial and fan-based Like is Shaun Harvey a Cu.nt ? Yes or No ? The fans have their say.

Theres a simple answer which i.ve mentioned numerous times but has Andy Hall or anyone from the club been on to me to ask what it is. Have they fu.ck as like.

And btw Accy produced a double sized celebration issue on Saturday they charged a fiver doubled the print run and sold out it was fantastic quality and a good read to boot and i.m told cost less than a quid each to produce so a good profit was made on that.

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01 May 2018 14:00 #26 by DeckchairBlue
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That's because people will buy things like that as a memento NS, just like the ones they charge a fiver for at cup finals/playoff finals.

Ones for average run of the mill league games have had their day and are just being replaced by the online content.

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01 May 2018 14:08 #27 by NORTHERNSOUL
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DeckchairBlue wrote: That's because people will buy things like that as a memento NS, just like the ones they charge a fiver for at cup finals/playoff finals.

Ones for average run of the mill league games have had their day and are just being replaced by the online content.


But thats the whole point you put the content online as well at a fraction of the price say 25 quid for the season which arrives in your inbox on Saturday morning in an email turn page format

So the income from the two formats is added together and any money you make from the online version is essentially free money as it costs nothing to produce or distribute.

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01 May 2018 14:16 #28 by NORTHERNSOUL
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DeckchairBlue wrote: That's because people will buy things like that as a memento NS, just like the ones they charge a fiver for at cup finals/playoff finals.

Ones for average run of the mill league games have had their day and are just being replaced by the online content.


Yes, I bought a dozen and after a little work they.ll be on the internet for 80 quid a pop

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01 May 2018 14:41 #29 by sirjimmyglass
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They should do what they do with a lot of the club websites and have one provider who runs the platform with the same layout on behalf of them. Get someone at the club to submit all of the information needed a week before each game and get them sent to print.

Get it outsourced, keep it simple, keep the cost down, but those that want one for nostalgia's sake can still buy one.

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03 May 2018 16:14 #30 by Wukkie
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I would say last time I bought one it had the star signing of Summer on the front - Andy Couzens.

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04 May 2018 09:23 #31 by CCU
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04 May 2018 11:28 #32 by bruntonpete
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I used to sell them for a few seasons at the end of the 80s/start of the 90s when the club was on its arse - far worse than now. Club shop was tiny in an old building where the current shop sits. I got paid three and a half pence per programme sold. Some days id be lucky to make a quid! Got in for nothing though to see some of the worst football ever.

I wrote in it too for about 5 seasons. Sad to see programmes decline but if there is no demand anymore I'm sure the club can make much better use of its time and money.

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04 May 2018 11:35 #33 by pigeonpete
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Everytime I go to the game with my son I always get him one
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04 May 2018 18:27 #34 by Bumble
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The article on the O/S is a refreshing change of direction.

The article tells fans how cufc are going to vote and why, and what's going to happen in the immediate aftermath, so we all know befoe the vote takes place.

Contrast this to the way the Checkatrade fiasco was handled where we were asked for opinion, then ignored and not told how cufc voted til long after the event.

Long may this new sharing of info continue.

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04 May 2018 19:14 #35 by Urban Designer
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I wasn't a fan of the £1 program - on the stats page it was so small you could hardly read it. Would we really sell 3 times as many at £1 each? Keep the £3 one and on Tuesdays instead of charging £10 which is a loss maker through in a free program. Internet is not something you can keep - kids are now buying viynl records rather than streaming. Its a retro trend. They will also be more collectable with fewer produced. Do the club actually make money from the web page?

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04 May 2018 20:36 #36 by Bumble
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Urban Designer wrote: I wasn't a fan of the £1 program - on the stats page it was so small you could hardly read it. Would we really sell 3 times as many at £1 each? Keep the £3 one and on Tuesdays instead of charging £10 which is a loss maker through in a free program. Internet is not something you can keep - kids are now buying viynl records rather than streaming. Its a retro trend. They will also be more collectable with fewer produced. Do the club actually make money from the web page?


I can't speak for now, it's 7 years since I helped at the club but then the website was a good earner. Not just "player", it also made money from advertising which was centrally generated but increased with the number of hits. The website was definitely worth putting effort into.

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04 May 2018 21:04 - 04 May 2018 21:06 #37 by Blues86
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NS does make a good point with the email programme idea. Everyone before the game, during half time etc is on the phone these days. There is still a demand for people to read something football related at games. If you had an online version that was either emailed or accessed online easily (an app even?) you could run it at a fraction of the cost and bring it into the modern era. The paper version should be saved for big cup games, promotion editions and the like.
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04 May 2018 21:21 #38 by Dancingbear
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Blues86 wrote: NS does make a good point with the email programme idea. Everyone before the game, during half time etc is on the phone these days. There is still a demand for people to read something football related at games. If you had an online version that was either emailed or accessed online easily (an app even?) you could run it at a fraction of the cost and bring it into the modern era. The paper version should be saved for big cup games, promotion editions and the like.


Wouldnt interest me at all tbh. Flashscores does the job i want.

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04 May 2018 21:48 #39 by Bumble
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Blues86 wrote: NS does make a good point with the email programme idea. Everyone before the game, during half time etc is on the phone these days. There is still a demand for people to read something football related at games. If you had an online version that was either emailed or accessed online easily (an app even?) you could run it at a fraction of the cost and bring it into the modern era. The paper version should be saved for big cup games, promotion editions and the like.


The online version has already been tried, it's in the article

www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/2018/may/programmevote4may18/

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05 May 2018 01:08 #40 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bumble wrote:

Blues86 wrote: NS does make a good point with the email programme idea. Everyone before the game, during half time etc is on the phone these days. There is still a demand for people to read something football related at games. If you had an online version that was either emailed or accessed online easily (an app even?) you could run it at a fraction of the cost and bring it into the modern era. The paper version should be saved for big cup games, promotion editions and the like.


The online version has already been tried, it's in the article

www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/2018/may/programmevote4may18/


Yes Bumble I saw that but don't remember it bt i.ll bet it wasn't done using the platform that i.d envisage but I can just see the tight gits trying to charge people 2.50 a go when they'd be better charging a 0ne off 25 quid for the season and throw in something of value that doesn't cost anything like a free match ticket for a mate for instance and put it out at say 6pm so it wouldn't affect sales of the printed edition too much.add into that a page of money off vouchers for local businesses worth way more than the cover price and you start to have a product that people might buy.

But I have to say I simply don't believe them if they're trying to say that when they did it they lost a printed sale for every one bought online and if they did they clearly weren't doing it or marketing it properly.

Sell 500 to the fans all over the world and I bet you've paid for the seasons set up costs If Accy can make theres pay on the crowds they were getting it says to me that its not that it cant be done but more a case of if its not Andy Halls idea then its not worth doing.

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05 May 2018 11:32 #41 by Dancingbear
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I honestly don’t see it selling. As I say unless you collect them, have just never got out of the habit of buying them, don’t have internet access or as above a kid may want one apart from Jenkins comments what do they tell you that you can’t find out already online?

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06 May 2018 12:55 #42 by bruntonpete
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I wanted two programmes from the game yesterday. Arrived at 2.30 and sold out.
It isn't the first time this season either. The amount sold seems to be the amount they produce. I'm sure a couple of hundred more would have been sold in the last half hour when most arrive. Shame.

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06 May 2018 13:54 #43 by Bumble
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Myself and grandson missed out too. Left it til we walked round to the WRE to go in and they had sold out.

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06 May 2018 15:04 #44 by Urban Designer
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Happened to me at the Sunderland match when I was there 1/2 hour before kickoff in an empty ground. Had sold out outside and inside.

How can they sell out when there is no one in the ground!

This is a club that can't be bothered to sell programs, can't be bothered doing their own catering, can't be bothered to turn on kettle when they run out of hot water, have idiots at the warwick road hut who admit they are not very good at counting, and set up the worst fan zone anyone has ever seen. Then they complain they have no money!
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08 Jun 2018 15:04 - 08 Jun 2018 15:04 #45 by CCU
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From the EFL Summer Meeting:


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29 Jul 2018 12:37 #46 by Cayambe
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Programmes - The club has a new deal with H&H Reed in place to print 16-page fold-out match preview for each game next season. These are expected to be sold at £1.50 each. Ideas welcome for a name to be used.

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29 Jul 2018 12:53 #47 by nobbyblue
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They were selling team sheets for 50p yesterday. :cheer:

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29 Jul 2018 22:47 #48 by cousinscotty
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nobbyblue wrote: They were selling team sheets for 50p yesterday. :cheer:


They have done for the last couple of seasons - I usually get one as I can't always make out the names of the players over the P.A.

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29 Jul 2018 23:57 #49 by Goldschmidt
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One of the sellers tried to charge me £2.00 last season just for a team sheet. I told him to f**k right off.
I would consider paying 50 pence for one though.

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30 Jul 2018 00:48 #50 by Dancingbear
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I know who plays for us and couldn’t care less who plays for the opposition so there’s no way I’d part with 50p for a sheet of paper.

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