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09 May 2018 12:51 #1 by Mullen103
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Still no credability.
Board still not resigned.

Are we resigned to letting them carry on?
Anyone going to stand at the next agm?
Anyone setting up a rival group?
Anyone happy with them?

With the lack of action on anything I presume people are relatively happy?

At least were not Stockport

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09 May 2018 13:08 #2 by Oakley
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I actually don't think that people are that happy but the problem is you require a certain skill-set to make a real difference, as well as time.

The person that it would take to overhaul the trust would need the

Ability to deal with people from all walks of life
Ability to interpret understand/Financial and Legal Information
Ability to work in a Boardroom Environment
Ability to connect with local community and local bodies
Ability to fund-raise and have connections to do so
Ability to confront others, and also be prepared to be interrogated by the local media

Most people that have these skills are employed and are limited by time and family constraint's.

Its also a thankless task ,unpaid and hard to break into the current clique.

Ideally you want a retired terrier, solicitor, accountant, business man who can sink there teeth into a project and just make it there life to get it overhauled, ideally with a bit of financial clout that can play the boardroom game better than the current regime!!!

That's a hard person to find!!!!!
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09 May 2018 13:16 #3 by melbourneblues
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In other words the opposite to Mullen.

Mullen is a virgin.
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09 May 2018 13:21 #4 by Mullen103
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melbourneblues wrote: In other words the opposite to Mullen.


So what’s your solution then Melbourne?

At least were not Stockport

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09 May 2018 13:26 #5 by Oakley
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I 100% admire anyone that will give it a go, and I don't know Mullen so I am unable to comment,

But the bottom-line is you are going into battle with a team of people that yes are inept at running a club, but they are also hell bent on protecting there old mans club and have the £££ to do it,

The decks are heavily stacked in there favour unless you get the right character to lead a overhaul.

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09 May 2018 13:33 #6 by Mullen103
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Oakley wrote: I 100% admire anyone that will give it a go, and I don't know Mullen so I am unable to comment,

But the bottom-line is you are going into battle with a team of people that yes are inept at running a club, but they are also hell bent on protecting there old mans club and have the £££ to do it,

The decks are heavily stacked in there favour unless you get the right character to lead a overhaul.


You wouldn’t want one person to do all them jobs though!

The trust might do good things etc for the community, we don’t hear about it, but they have had food collections etc.

As a collective though and for the more important decisions regarding the club directly and involving their members there are an absolute shambles.

At least were not Stockport

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09 May 2018 13:37 #7 by Oakley
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100 Agree you wouldn't want 1 person to do all them tasks but what you do need is a successful leader and co-coordinator that can pull it all together.

I honestly think that;s why we see the trust failing at the minute at a lot of things, they simply don't have the skill-sets to handle the role of a club trust
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09 May 2018 13:40 #8 by Mullen103
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Oakley wrote: 100 Agree you wouldn't want 1 person to do all them tasks but what you do need is a successful leader and co-coordinator that can pull it all together.

I honestly think that;s why we see the trust failing at the minute at a lot of things, they simply don't have the skill-sets to handle the role of a club trust


I completely agree but it seems members of the trust board don’t want that person in.

At least were not Stockport

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09 May 2018 20:00 #9 by Mouldy
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I can’t speak for the current trust top brass, but before the ‘rebrand’ when the trust were trying to make changes and become more relevant (new blood, ‘the youth trust’ etc) I spent a little bit of time trying to get involved (as did Happy).

It was completely wasted time as there were certain individuals that would say one thing and mean another which was often just through a stubborn mindset or thinking they ‘knew best’. Generally over really mundane and not too important things too.

It’s an idea that would still be of interest to me - getting involved and giving the fans some form of representation - but I honestly think until there’s resignation on mass of the current brass and enough fresh blood interested it is not going to change.

Again, it’s a while since I’ve actually spoken to anyone heavily involved, but I don’t think anyone involved with the trust are necessarily bad people out to hurt the club or fans, but I do think they probably aren’t as suited to the roles as they may think, and think some perhaps use it for vanity. Agree completely with the above posts - you want people focusing on key areas with a figurehead to mix it all together. From what I understand (remember seeing something on an email newsletter) the current board do each have focus areas, but I don’t think they’re necessarily relevant to their skill sets.

The real problem is, as much as it pains me to agree with Mullen for what is the second time in 2018, there aren’t enough people willing to make a difference to force the change and freshen up the whole entity.

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09 May 2018 21:03 #10 by Mullen103
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I agree Mouldy.

I mentioned about the trust last year, wanting to call an EGM, and nothing’s changed. Yours and Happys echo a few others I’ve heard as well.

There’ll easily be 10 that would stand if they all resigned. However much I disagree with you mouldy I do like people with opinions to those with none and wouldn’t have an issue with you being in the trust we’ll a new version.

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09 May 2018 21:22 - 09 May 2018 21:22 #11 by Blues86
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Good people have served on the trust board in the past but these kind of roles tend to attract the clique, busy body types in the long term and it becomes their little organisation which they are reluctant to open up.

Im sure its been discussed before, cant remember why it didnt happen, but can the club not add a fiver onto season tickets and include automatic trust enrolment? Or at least include the option for discounted membership at the time of applying for a season ticket? Then every (or every second) season the whole board should be up for election by the entire membership.
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09 May 2018 23:18 #12 by Mouldy
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Mullen103 wrote: I agree Mouldy.

I mentioned about the trust last year, wanting to call an EGM, and nothing’s changed. Yours and Happys echo a few others I’ve heard as well.

There’ll easily be 10 that would stand if they all resigned. However much I disagree with you mouldy I do like people with opinions to those with none and wouldn’t have an issue with you being in the trust we’ll a new version.


Bloody hell Mullen, my eyes are leaking here

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09 May 2018 23:23 #13 by Dancingbear
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Season tickets should have absolutely fu ck all to do with the trust. A trust should be something fans want to join and not forced upon people.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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09 May 2018 23:32 #14 by Blues86
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If you had an option when getting your st, 'do you want trust membership included for an extra £5' then I dont see the problem.

People might want to do something, or intend to do something, but look at charities, youve got to be proactive or people dont bother and you end up with no cash, or in our case, the current trust.

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09 May 2018 23:35 #15 by Dancingbear
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The point is the trust should be separate from the club. If they want more members they should be proactive themselves. Although I doubt they’re really bothered about that.

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09 May 2018 23:36 #16 by Mouldy
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Blues86 wrote: If you had an option when getting your st, 'do you want trust membership included for an extra £5' then I dont see the problem.

People might want to do something, or intend to do something, but look at charities, youve got to be proactive or people dont bother and you end up with no cash, or in our case, the current trust.


If it was opt in, rather than auto enrol then I think it’s a good way to drive membership and ultimately get folk who clearly care about the club enough to pump circa £300 in every season for a season ticket involved and perhaps given a more open/publicised election we’d see some positive reform - or at least a little bit of progression.

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09 May 2018 23:36 #17 by Mullen103
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Mullen103 wrote: I agree Mouldy.

I mentioned about the trust last year, wanting to call an EGM, and nothing’s changed. Yours and Happys echo a few others I’ve heard as well.

There’ll easily be 10 that would stand if they all resigned. However much I disagree with you mouldy I do like people with opinions to those with none and wouldn’t have an issue with you being in the trust we’ll a new version.


Bloody hell Mullen, my eyes are leaking here


In all seriousness Mouldy the trust needs new blood.

It needs someone with business experience, albeit you got it from your father, but I’m sure you’ve a higher turnover than a corner shop.

It’s needs someone not frightened to ask probing questions and upset the apple cart at this moment in time.

Yes I don’t agree with 99% of things but what I do agree with is you have an opinion explain it and offer solutions to it.

At least were not Stockport

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09 May 2018 23:46 #18 by Mouldy
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Mullen103 wrote:

Mouldy wrote:

Mullen103 wrote: I agree Mouldy.

I mentioned about the trust last year, wanting to call an EGM, and nothing’s changed. Yours and Happys echo a few others I’ve heard as well.

There’ll easily be 10 that would stand if they all resigned. However much I disagree with you mouldy I do like people with opinions to those with none and wouldn’t have an issue with you being in the trust we’ll a new version.


Bloody hell Mullen, my eyes are leaking here


In all seriousness Mouldy the trust needs new blood.

It needs someone with business experience, albeit you got it from your father, but I’m sure you’ve a higher turnover than a corner shop.

It’s needs someone not frightened to ask probing questions and upset the apple cart at this moment in time.

Yes I don’t agree with 99% of things but what I do agree with is you have an opinion explain it and offer solutions to it.


That’s the point that matters IMO - somebody needs to ask the questions and offer alternatives to how things are currently done.

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10 May 2018 00:03 #19 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mouldy wrote:

Mullen103 wrote:

Mouldy wrote:

Mullen103 wrote: I agree Mouldy.

I mentioned about the trust last year, wanting to call an EGM, and nothing’s changed. Yours and Happys echo a few others I’ve heard as well.

There’ll easily be 10 that would stand if they all resigned. However much I disagree with you mouldy I do like people with opinions to those with none and wouldn’t have an issue with you being in the trust we’ll a new version.


Bloody hell Mullen, my eyes are leaking here


In all seriousness Mouldy the trust needs new blood.

It needs someone with business experience, albeit you got it from your father, but I’m sure you’ve a higher turnover than a corner shop.

It’s needs someone not frightened to ask probing questions and upset the apple cart at this moment in time.

Yes I don’t agree with 99% of things but what I do agree with is you have an opinion explain it and offer solutions to it.


That’s the point that matters IMO - somebody needs to ask the questions and offer alternatives to how things are currently done.


Are you lot off year heads the season ticket holders are the last people you want anywhere near the trust given by those two posts earlier i was right the lot of them are seriously unhinged.

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10 May 2018 00:08 #20 by Mouldy
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Mouldy wrote:

Mullen103 wrote:

Mouldy wrote:

Mullen103 wrote: I agree Mouldy.

I mentioned about the trust last year, wanting to call an EGM, and nothing’s changed. Yours and Happys echo a few others I’ve heard as well.

There’ll easily be 10 that would stand if they all resigned. However much I disagree with you mouldy I do like people with opinions to those with none and wouldn’t have an issue with you being in the trust we’ll a new version.


Bloody hell Mullen, my eyes are leaking here


In all seriousness Mouldy the trust needs new blood.

It needs someone with business experience, albeit you got it from your father, but I’m sure you’ve a higher turnover than a corner shop.

It’s needs someone not frightened to ask probing questions and upset the apple cart at this moment in time.

Yes I don’t agree with 99% of things but what I do agree with is you have an opinion explain it and offer solutions to it.


That’s the point that matters IMO - somebody needs to ask the questions and offer alternatives to how things are currently done.


Are you lot off year heads the season ticket holders are the last people you want anywhere near the trust given by those two posts earlier i was right the lot of them are seriously unhinged.


I know, and fully respect that, you think buying tickets is propping up the regime Barry but realistically, it’s going to be someone that cares enough about the club to want to do something that would get involved, so they’d likely be pretty regular attendees if not season ticket holders. Not as if Mr Bloggs from off the street is gonna decide to get involved on a whim.

Not all season ticket holders are happy clappers, some just go because they want to watch the football and save a few games by getting season tickets

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10 May 2018 06:35 #21 by Bluefox1963
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The trust is a dead duck it as no purpose now since knighton as gone it serves no purpose as it does not raise funds for the club that I can see they raised £200000 when knighton was here the rest £800000was donated to them by mileson the trust is holding the club back they are just as bad as the 3 amigos. In my eyes they need to disband but they won't because all those who run the trust are all on little ego trips,maybe the club needs to go into administration so we can hopefully get rid of the trust and the 3 amigos and hopefully they won't get a penny. Start afresh with new board and hopefully start a new trust with new blood who will work with the fans and not against them. That is just my view
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10 May 2018 10:23 #22 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bluefox1963 wrote: The trust is a dead duck it as no purpose now since knighton as gone it serves no purpose as it does not raise funds for the club that I can see they raised £200000 when knighton was here the rest £800000was donated to them by mileson the trust is holding the club back they are just as bad as the 3 amigos. In my eyes they need to disband but they won't because all those who run the trust are all on little ego trips,maybe the club needs to go into administration so we can hopefully get rid of the trust and the 3 amigos and hopefully they won't get a penny. Start afresh with new board and hopefully start a new trust with new blood who will work with the fans and not against them. That is just my view


And which creditors exactly do you think would benefit from and therefore vote for an administration ?

Absolutely no need whatsoever to disband the trust all it needs is 100 to 150 people off here to put their hands in their pockets and pay their tenners.

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10 May 2018 10:40 #23 by Mullen103
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Bluefox1963 wrote: The trust is a dead duck it as no purpose now since knighton as gone it serves no purpose as it does not raise funds for the club that I can see they raised £200000 when knighton was here the rest £800000was donated to them by mileson the trust is holding the club back they are just as bad as the 3 amigos. In my eyes they need to disband but they won't because all those who run the trust are all on little ego trips,maybe the club needs to go into administration so we can hopefully get rid of the trust and the 3 amigos and hopefully they won't get a penny. Start afresh with new board and hopefully start a new trust with new blood who will work with the fans and not against them. That is just my view


And which creditors exactly do you think would benefit from and therefore vote for an administration ?

Absolutely no need whatsoever to disband the trust all it needs is 100 to 150 people off here to put their hands in their pockets and pay their tenners.


If the trust resigned would you stand?

I would, I won’t if they don’t as there’s no point as we’ve all found out.

Hypothetical but if they did resign, who then organises the vote etc. Will they take the pet and do nothing again hypothetical.

At least were not Stockport

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10 May 2018 11:56 #24 by Armo
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The Trust aren't going to resign en-masse and your deluded if you think they will. In their minds, they're doing the best they possibly can in the "circumstances".

I re-joined the Trust and spent 2 years voting against anyone getting re-elected and voted for anyone new - it did [censored] all. Nobody is prepared to join the Trust to change anything (and with good reason). Add to that how the Trust have fudged the figures to include membership and voting rights for members families and it'll be a tall order to force any form of change.

The only way the Trust will change is if they are forced to. Either from within or from out. It would need somebody who's amiable, eloquent, respected and with a public presense to spearhead that change. Either to join the Trust and call on everyone to join and force change or, if that's unpalatable, form an unofficial supporters club. Imagine an unofficial supporters club, doing the right thing with 4 or 5 times the membership of the Trust? It would shan the Trust into change.

That's the only way I can see the Trust changing.
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10 May 2018 13:03 #25 by Oakley
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Agree with NS and Armo,

Issue I have with all of this, no matter how many members you have and how many ££££ you have, unless you have the drive and characters to lead that then we are stuck.

Like I said the board holds all the cards and effectively is in control of the trust also. It really is a shocking state of affairs,

I see this morning the Swansea trust have called for the resignation of the Chairman, wouldnt it be amazing if we saw that kind of fight from ours.

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10 May 2018 13:08 #26 by lummy8
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I am already worried about our inept board picking a new manager, but if the TRUST 2 are involved I despair.
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10 May 2018 13:12 #27 by Armo
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Errr, you do know i'm talking about you right?

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10 May 2018 13:14 #28 by ISNEddERSI
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Least 1 Trust has the balls to call out those who aren't doing their job properly!
"Swansea City Supporters' Trust called for chairman Huw Jenkins to stand down from his position."
www.swanstrust.co.uk/2018/05/10/statement-by-the-swans-trust/

" We have also previously expressed a lack of confidence in Huw Jenkins and called for his removal as Chairman of our football club. "

Wish our lot what have the balls out to call out the custodians

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10 May 2018 13:28 #29 by Arragorn
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Our "Trust" wouldnt do that would they.
They are in the pockets of the BOD and will do what they are told
one of them is Jenkins' pal isn't he?

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ISNEddERSI wrote: Least 1 Trust has the balls to call out those who aren't doing their job properly!
"Swansea City Supporters' Trust called for chairman Huw Jenkins to stand down from his position."
www.swanstrust.co.uk/2018/05/10/statement-by-the-swans-trust/

" We have also previously expressed a lack of confidence in Huw Jenkins and called for his removal as Chairman of our football club. "

Wish our lot what have the balls out to call out the custodians


This is a classic example of why Trusts are a complete waste of time. irrespective of whether the Chairman is a waste of time or not, this statement has driven a massive wedge between the Club and Trust, this will not disappear with a change of Chairman !!

Typical, and exactly what happens when your ego wins.......
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10 May 2018 18:43 #31 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bluefox1963 wrote: The trust is a dead duck it as no purpose now since knighton as gone it serves no purpose as it does not raise funds for the club that I can see they raised £200000 when knighton was here the rest £800000was donated to them by mileson the trust is holding the club back they are just as bad as the 3 amigos. In my eyes they need to disband but they won't because all those who run the trust are all on little ego trips,maybe the club needs to go into administration so we can hopefully get rid of the trust and the 3 amigos and hopefully they won't get a penny. Start afresh with new board and hopefully start a new trust with new blood who will work with the fans and not against them. That is just my view


And which creditors exactly do you think would benefit from and therefore vote for an administration ?

Absolutely no need whatsoever to disband the trust all it needs is 100 to 150 people off here to put their hands in their pockets and pay their tenners.


If the trust resigned would you stand?

I would, I won’t if they don’t as there’s no point as we’ve all found out.

Hypothetical but if they did resign, who then organises the vote etc. Will they take the pet and do nothing again hypothetical.


I would stand against them if they took the restrictive terms out of the rulebook that they have added without any consultation of their members which in all likelihood are not legitimate and if it weren't for the umbrella organisation being about to fold i.d say it would have been possible to get a ruling to that effect.

There is absolutely no point in my standing with the current rules still in place because I would be quite open and honest about the reasons for me doing so ie the removal of the people currently running the trust in ways that are clearly not in the interests of either the members or the fan base in general and I would do that by whatever means I thought were needed and to do that is impossible in light of the clearly dubious rule changes that were clearly enacted to protect the positions of those currently in power.

If I did stand and be elected I would have no intention of putting myself forward to be the rep on either of the club boards

The elections would just be conducted in the normal way except that all board member would put themselves forward before doing so they would decide on a number to sit on a future board lets say 12 then at the election the 12 candidates receiving the highest number of votes would form the new board.

I believe on a couple of occasions in the past the Trust brought in the Electoral Reform Society to conduct the election process and that would be a possible way of doing it but obviously to do that would incur a cost.

But at the minute i.d say theres nil chance of them agreeing to resign on mass as i.m pretty sure they know they'd get a good kicking and operation lick Jenkins arse would be over once and for all. For god's sake despite a number of them being on here they won't even come on and debate or even attempt to defend their position.

Therefore the only real way forward is the mass joining option but i.ve come up with a plan that would make that a little easier to do than it seems and i believe that and the current extended membership offer means we shouldnt waste this opertunity to at least have a go.

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10 May 2018 18:48 #32 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Armo wrote: The Trust aren't going to resign en-masse and your deluded if you think they will. In their minds, they're doing the best they possibly can in the "circumstances".

I re-joined the Trust and spent 2 years voting against anyone getting re-elected and voted for anyone new - it did [censored] all. Nobody is prepared to join the Trust to change anything (and with good reason). Add to that how the Trust have fudged the figures to include membership and voting rights for members families and it'll be a tall order to force any form of change.

The only way the Trust will change is if they are forced to. Either from within or from out. It would need somebody who's amiable, eloquent, respected and with a public presense to spearhead that change. Either to join the Trust and call on everyone to join and force change or, if that's unpalatable, form an unofficial supporters club. Imagine an unofficial supporters club, doing the right thing with 4 or 5 times the membership of the Trust? It would shan the Trust into change.

That's the only way I can see the Trust changing.


Well said that man and yes i.d considered the possibility of setting up an Independent Supporters Association but right now I don't think theres time to do that if the plan is to affect the upcoming Trust elections

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10 May 2018 18:52 #33 by NORTHERNSOUL
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ISNEddERSI wrote: Least 1 Trust has the balls to call out those who aren't doing their job properly!
"Swansea City Supporters' Trust called for chairman Huw Jenkins to stand down from his position."
www.swanstrust.co.uk/2018/05/10/statement-by-the-swans-trust/

" We have also previously expressed a lack of confidence in Huw Jenkins and called for his removal as Chairman of our football club. "

Wish our lot what have the balls out to call out the custodians


This is a classic example of why Trusts are a complete waste of time. irrespective of whether the Chairman is a waste of time or not, this statement has driven a massive wedge between the Club and Trust, this will not disappear with a change of Chairman !!

Typical, and exactly what happens when your ego wins.......


I think if you knew anything about the situation between the Trust and the former Trust members who made money from the buyout you wouldn't be making comments like that which do nothing but show up your ignorance of past events.

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10 May 2018 18:53 #34 by Mullen103
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Agree NS

No I don’t think there’ll resign either.

In that case I’d be against mass joining - no point - I think there’s only Frank Beattie having to re stand this year.

At least were not Stockport

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10 May 2018 18:55 - 10 May 2018 18:56 #35 by Mullen103
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Armo wrote: The Trust aren't going to resign en-masse and your deluded if you think they will. In their minds, they're doing the best they possibly can in the "circumstances".

I re-joined the Trust and spent 2 years voting against anyone getting re-elected and voted for anyone new - it did [censored] all. Nobody is prepared to join the Trust to change anything (and with good reason). Add to that how the Trust have fudged the figures to include membership and voting rights for members families and it'll be a tall order to force any form of change.

The only way the Trust will change is if they are forced to. Either from within or from out. It would need somebody who's amiable, eloquent, respected and with a public presense to spearhead that change. Either to join the Trust and call on everyone to join and force change or, if that's unpalatable, form an unofficial supporters club. Imagine an unofficial supporters club, doing the right thing with 4 or 5 times the membership of the Trust? It would shan the Trust into change.

That's the only way I can see the Trust changing.


Well said that man and yes i.d considered the possibility of setting up an Independent Supporters Association but right now I don't think theres time to do that if the plan is to affect the upcoming Trust elections


What’s your plan for affecting the trust elections?

At least were not Stockport
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10 May 2018 19:04 #36 by NORTHERNSOUL
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Armo wrote: The Trust aren't going to resign en-masse and your deluded if you think they will. In their minds, they're doing the best they possibly can in the "circumstances".

I re-joined the Trust and spent 2 years voting against anyone getting re-elected and voted for anyone new - it did [censored] all. Nobody is prepared to join the Trust to change anything (and with good reason). Add to that how the Trust have fudged the figures to include membership and voting rights for members families and it'll be a tall order to force any form of change.

The only way the Trust will change is if they are forced to. Either from within or from out. It would need somebody who's amiable, eloquent, respected and with a public presense to spearhead that change. Either to join the Trust and call on everyone to join and force change or, if that's unpalatable, form an unofficial supporters club. Imagine an unofficial supporters club, doing the right thing with 4 or 5 times the membership of the Trust? It would shan the Trust into change.

That's the only way I can see the Trust changing.


Well said that man and yes i.d considered the possibility of setting up an Independent Supporters Association but right now I don't think theres time to do that if the plan is to affect the upcoming Trust elections


What’s your plan for affecting the trust elections?


Well, i.ve called for people to join and then post on here that you have not forgetting to do a family membership for any over 16-year-olds you have living at your address.

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10 May 2018 19:10 #37 by Dazwacky
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Join the trust Bazza are you insane!! its a cartel we need an independent supporters club with no affinity to the owners and dodgy handshakes ;-)

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10 May 2018 19:14 #38 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dazwacky wrote: Join the trust Bazza are you insane!! its a cartel we need an independent supporters club with no affinity to the owners and dodgy handshakes ;-)


It's only a Cartel if you don't join and vote in the elections. What good would an isc do the club would just ignore them claiming they dont represent the fans and the trust would just go on doing what they're doing licking Jenkins arse

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10 May 2018 19:16 #39 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mullen103 wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Armo wrote: The Trust aren't going to resign en-masse and your deluded if you think they will. In their minds, they're doing the best they possibly can in the "circumstances".

I re-joined the Trust and spent 2 years voting against anyone getting re-elected and voted for anyone new - it did [censored] all. Nobody is prepared to join the Trust to change anything (and with good reason). Add to that how the Trust have fudged the figures to include membership and voting rights for members families and it'll be a tall order to force any form of change.

The only way the Trust will change is if they are forced to. Either from within or from out. It would need somebody who's amiable, eloquent, respected and with a public presense to spearhead that change. Either to join the Trust and call on everyone to join and force change or, if that's unpalatable, form an unofficial supporters club. Imagine an unofficial supporters club, doing the right thing with 4 or 5 times the membership of the Trust? It would shan the Trust into change.

That's the only way I can see the Trust changing.


Well said that man and yes i.d considered the possibility of setting up an Independent Supporters Association but right now I don't think theres time to do that if the plan is to affect the upcoming Trust elections


What’s your plan for affecting the trust elections?


Well, i.ve called for people to join and then post on here that you have not forgetting to do a family membership for any over 16-year-olds you have living at your address.


And just reminding people if you join now your membership starts right away and you get a vote and then runs for a further 12 months.

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10 May 2018 19:28 #40 by Dazwacky
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True Barry, but to rock the boat we need a leader to guide us into new pastures and the gods are saying "He is a soul a Northernsoul" plus Mullen like eh

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10 May 2018 19:30 #41 by Armo
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote: ......
I would stand against them if they took the restrictive terms out of the rulebook that they have added without any consultation of their members which in all likelihood are not legitimate and if it weren't for the umbrella organisation being about to fold i.d say it would have been possible to get a ruling to that effect.


Did you miss the bit where I said it would need someone "amiable, eloquent, respected and with a public presense"?

With all the will in the world, i'm sure even you'll concede your a devisive figure?

That's why it needs someone like Lummy to take it on. Somebody everybody can get behind. Either within the Trust or an alternate.
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10 May 2018 19:45 #42 by Alan
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Mullen103 wrote: Still no credability.
Board still not resigned.

Are we resigned to letting them carry on?
Anyone going to stand at the next agm?
Anyone setting up a rival group?
Anyone happy with them?

With the lack of action on anything I presume people are relatively happy?



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10 May 2018 20:02 #43 by Dazwacky
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Cracking call Armo Lummy is our man!

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10 May 2018 20:06 #44 by BlueBanana
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I may be wrong but I'm sure membership runs from August -August. Therfore if we join now it will only run to August????

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10 May 2018 20:08 #45 by Zebby
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I would have no problem joining if there is going to be a mass joining organised..10 quid well spent

Be just and fear not

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So it's £10 to join the Trurst - how much is family membership - does this mean everyone 16 or over in the household gets a separate vote?

Seems very split on here - do we join and vote for new people to take it forward or set up an alternative?

If clubs lose £300,000 a year it should be up to the owners and Trust to plug that gap. This would mean the Trust raising £75,000 a year which should be pretty easy to do with the right people.

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10 May 2018 20:26 #47 by melbourneblues
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melbourneblues wrote: In other words the opposite to Mullen.


So what’s your solution then Melbourne?


Joining the trust just like you said everybody was going to last season, then I realised nobody else had so I never renewed, what have you done?

Mullen is a virgin.

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10 May 2018 20:35 #48 by Mullen103
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Mullen103 wrote:

melbourneblues wrote: In other words the opposite to Mullen.


So what’s your solution then Melbourne?


Joining the trust just like you said everybody was going to last season, then I realised nobody else had so I never renewed, what have you done?


Sort off correct. I wanted people to join to call an EGM to vote them off.

Not enough people joined though or enough members wanted too. I presumed then that I was wrong and the majority were happy with the trust, doesht seem to be the case now does it.

I don’t see the point now of a mass join up without a reason as to why. What the purpose of a join up would be as you can’t vote them off as there’s only re standing and as of yet no ones put their name forward to stand.

At least were not Stockport

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10 May 2018 20:36 #49 by Seekaye
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Come on then Barry, what’s the logistics of this?

Who would stand? How many would need to stand? How many people would need to join to vote off the dead wood? What would the outcome be?

What’s the plan? Give me some scenarios. The current trust are an absolute disgrace, if something was organised on here I’d join in protest and vote accordingly

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10 May 2018 20:41 #50 by Mullen103
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Mullen103 wrote:

melbourneblues wrote: In other words the opposite to Mullen.


So what’s your solution then Melbourne?


Joining the trust just like you said everybody was going to last season, then I realised nobody else had so I never renewed, what have you done?


Sort off correct. I wanted people to join to call an EGM to vote them off.

Not enough people joined though or enough members wanted too. I presumed then that I was wrong and the majority were happy with the trust, doesht seem to be the case now does it.

I don’t see the point now of a mass join up without a reason as to why. What the purpose of a join up would be as you can’t vote them off as there’s only one re standing and as of yet no ones put their name forward to stand.

Like I said above, I don’t see the point of a mass join up.

You can’t remove anyone.
No ones put forward their standing.

The only thing it would do is heighten their ego as there’ll say there doing a good job and members have increased.

However if the plan was to call an EGM straight after the AGM or prior or to support someone standing than yes but not if there’s no plan.

At least were not Stockport

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