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15 May 2018 20:52 #1 by ParcelPete
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Glad Hart has been told he is no longer required although i would have found a place for Wilshere but i think Southgate will take Loftus-Cheek.
interesting to see if there any major surprises tomorrow

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15 May 2018 21:00 #2 by Zebby
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I hope Shelvey sneaks a place...Correct decision on Hart

I also wouldn't take Wellbeck he has been dire

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16 May 2018 07:32 #3 by Mouldy
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I’d take Wilshire and Shelvey ahead of Henderson and Livermore. I’d have done everything I could to try and get Milner out of retirement too.

Rashford, Kane, Vardy and Hawley as the strikers for me

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16 May 2018 09:24 #4 by 182blue
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The squad doesn’t look in bad shape really, with that centre midfield area being the obvious weak point.
Having Henderson and Dier playing together in midfield is so depressing that it’s enough to make a grown man cry.
Delph is a contender to start.
I’m not sure about Wilshere, he seems pretty unreliable, but he would find a place in my squad.
At least Southgate can’t be accused of picking the same old faces.
RLC over Wilshere is a fairly bold choice.

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16 May 2018 13:25 #5 by Urban Designer
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It said on bbc yesterday that Harte & Wilshire will not be picked - correct decision.

I would have Shelvey starting - never mind in the squad.

Kane for captain over Henderson who I do not rate as a player or person.

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16 May 2018 14:07 #6 by CCU
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Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

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16 May 2018 14:09 #7 by heilkmoon
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Dunno about Kane as captain, he tends to get a bit fluffery buffery.

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16 May 2018 14:12 #8 by CCU
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Better look...


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16 May 2018 14:19 #9 by cufcmike
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Urban Designer wrote: It said on bbc yesterday that Harte & Wilshire will not be picked - correct decision.


I think
1) Being Irish
2) Being retired

Probably hindered Harte's chances massively to be fair.
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16 May 2018 15:57 #10 by ParcelPete
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Would have taken one from Lallana,Shelvey or Wilshere instead of Delph and Carroll for Wellbeck,impressed by Southgate though when he got the job he got slated for being a yes man which he is clearly not.

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16 May 2018 16:02 #11 by newcarlislefan
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ParcelPete wrote: Would have taken one from Lallana,Shelvey or Wilshere instead of Delph and Carroll for Wellbeck,impressed by Southgate though when he got the job he got slated for being a yes man which he is clearly not.

Yes, I agree with that. Lallana is worth a gamble and Shelvey deserves a place on form. Even a half fit Andy Carroll causes chaos against the world's best defenders. He's practically unplayable even looking like a big girl.
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16 May 2018 16:02 #12 by 182blue
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If Hart was selected as third choice keeper, the chances of him playing would have been extremely slim.
Only one team, in the last 8 World Cups have used three different keepers , (in the finals stage).
It always makes much more sense to pick a younger keeper who is one for th3 future , as third choice.

I don’t think it’s a terrible squad.
Surely they will get out of the group, then the pressure will be on in the 2nd round.
If we did make it to the quarters, expectations would be low and you never know.
Hopefully getting two wins and a few goals against Tunisia and Panama, will help England settle in to the tournament.

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16 May 2018 16:15 #13 by Zebby
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ParcelPete wrote: Would have taken one from Lallana,Shelvey or Wilshere instead of Delph and Carroll for Wellbeck,impressed by Southgate though when he got the job he got slated for being a yes man which he is clearly not.

Yes, I agree with that. Lallana is worth a gamble and Shelvey deserves a place on form. Even a half fit Andy Carroll causes chaos against the world's best defenders. He's practically unplayable even looking like a big girl.


I'm not gonna tear his squad to bits but I'm a big fan of Shelvey and Lallana although he hasn't played a great deal lately they are both very clever footballers I actually like Henderson but never should he be paired with Dier

The major gripe I have however is Wellbeck some of his performances have been woefully bad and what he has done to deserve selection is beyond me I would even have took a kid like Solanke ahead of him although Carroll I would have like to have gone but probably deemed a risk

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16 May 2018 16:21 #14 by jelly
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No point whatsoever in taking Carroll as he would get penalised every time he jumped for a header, whether he was fouling or not. May get away with it in the Prem but not at international level.

Shelvey never stood a chance as Southgate hasn't forgiven him for turning down the chance to play for the U-21s many moons ago. I can't say I'm bothered, always seems like a person with a horrible attitude who thinks he's far better than he actually is.

I would have liked to have seen Lallana in there as he is inventive and can offer something different. Don't know what it is about Henderson but he's one of my least favourite players; makes a straightforward 10 yard pass to a completely unmarked teammate look as if it is the most intricate pass in football history. No attacking threat, just plays the safe pass all the time, which is fine if you''re surrounded by footballing geniuses but he isn't for England.

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16 May 2018 18:35 #15 by nobbyblue
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He's left out one of the best attacking players there is Ryan Sessegnon and picked Ashley Young!

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16 May 2018 18:57 #16 by Happyblue
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nobbyblue wrote: He's left out one of the best attacking players there is Ryan Sessegnon and picked Ashley Young!

Ashley young who's been in mutiple pundits team of the year, A player who's has been part of one the most solid defences in the league, who finished 2nd in the prem and are in the FA cup final. Young has actually had a great season, solid decisively and a thread glinng forward. Also Sessengon has been playing in the championship , big big difference between that and Premiership football.

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16 May 2018 19:34 #17 by Alan
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Don't think it's that bad a squad tbh but with those midfield options it is no wonder that Southgate wants to fill the defensive options with ball players. Maguire can look very impressive one minute and a carthorse the next, but he is good on the ball. They will probably surprise everyone and do relatively well having accepted an underdog role.

Southgate having the balls to at least attempt to implement some sort of style rather than just appease names as most of them have done in the past could be important for England. All those kids from the successful youth teams are on the verge of coming through and they can't be wasted like so many before them.
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16 May 2018 20:23 #18 by HuntingHorn
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Not the worst squad he could’ve picked.
The midfield looks lightweight. The keepers are spot on and defence is maybe light on a Centre Back...seems a lot of right & left backs who occasionally fill in at CB for my liking. Ashley Young? Not sure what’s going on there....
Up top I can’t for the life of me think what Wellbeck has done to be in there?? Shit when he’s played and he’s barely played.
If you’re going to take lofts-cheek then why is Zaha not in there? Of all Palace players he’s been the one who’s been outstanding in recent months...I’d prefer him to Sterling on current form.
Shelvey has burned too many bridges being an arrogant prat I think, he may finally have grown up but I think he’s probably damaged his reputation too often to be relied upon...? On form grounds though, he ought to be there.

At least we haven’t pleaded with Rooney to come out of retirement and picked the usual range of half fit, half baked knackers like Wilshere, it’s a start and actually kind of brave for an FA “yes man”

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16 May 2018 20:29 #19 by Zebby
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HuntingHorn wrote: Not the worst squad he could’ve picked.
The midfield looks lightweight. The keepers are spot on and defence is maybe light on a Centre Back...seems a lot of right & left backs who occasionally fill in at CB for my liking. Ashley Young? Not sure what’s going on there....
Up top I can’t for the life of me think what Wellbeck has done to be in there?? Shit when he’s played and he’s barely played.
If you’re going to take lofts-cheek then why is Zaha not in there? Of all Palace players he’s been the one who’s been outstanding in recent months...I’d prefer him to Sterling on current form.
Shelvey has burned too many bridges being an arrogant prat I think, he may finally have grown up but I think he’s probably damaged his reputation too often to be relied upon...? On form grounds though, he ought to be there.

At least we haven’t pleaded with Rooney to come out of retirement and picked the usual range of half fit, half baked knackers like Wilshere, it’s a start and actually kind of brave for an FA “yes man”


Zaha plays for Ivory Coast I think

Shelvey has been superb and his attitude has been first class should be on plane imo

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16 May 2018 20:55 #20 by Dentonholmersimpson
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Zebby wrote:

newcarlislefan wrote:

ParcelPete wrote: Would have taken one from Lallana,Shelvey or Wilshere instead of Delph and Carroll for Wellbeck,impressed by Southgate though when he got the job he got slated for being a yes man which he is clearly not.

Yes, I agree with that. Lallana is worth a gamble and Shelvey deserves a place on form. Even a half fit Andy Carroll causes chaos against the world's best defenders. He's practically unplayable even looking like a big girl.


I'm not gonna tear his squad to bits but I'm a big fan of Shelvey and Lallana although he hasn't played a great deal lately they are both very clever footballers I actually like Henderson but never should he be paired with Dier

The major gripe I have however is Wellbeck some of his performances have been woefully bad and what he has done to deserve selection is beyond me I would even have took a kid like Solanke ahead of him although Carroll I would have like to have gone but probably deemed a risk


We are all experts, but I agree, Henderson doing all the donkey work and feeding Shelvey who can pop the ball all over the pitch, would have been worth a go.
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17 May 2018 07:26 #21 by HuntingHorn
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Zebby wrote:

HuntingHorn wrote: Not the worst squad he could’ve picked.
The midfield looks lightweight. The keepers are spot on and defence is maybe light on a Centre Back...seems a lot of right & left backs who occasionally fill in at CB for my liking. Ashley Young? Not sure what’s going on there....
Up top I can’t for the life of me think what Wellbeck has done to be in there?? Shit when he’s played and he’s barely played.
If you’re going to take lofts-cheek then why is Zaha not in there? Of all Palace players he’s been the one who’s been outstanding in recent months...I’d prefer him to Sterling on current form.
Shelvey has burned too many bridges being an arrogant prat I think, he may finally have grown up but I think he’s probably damaged his reputation too often to be relied upon...? On form grounds though, he ought to be there.

At least we haven’t pleaded with Rooney to come out of retirement and picked the usual range of half fit, half baked knackers like Wilshere, it’s a start and actually kind of brave for an FA “yes man”


Zaha plays for Ivory Coast I think

Shelvey has been superb and his attitude has been first class should be on plane imo



Zaha played through England junior set ups U17’s & U21’s I think, sure he even got a couple of full England caps too, but you’re right he defected somehow to Ivory Coast???
Up until this year he’s not been setting the world alight mind you last 4 month he’s been carrying a poor palace team to safety on his own!

If you can't beat em.... shoot em.

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17 May 2018 07:39 #22 by nobbyblue
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Happyblue wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: He's left out one of the best attacking players there is Ryan Sessegnon and picked Ashley Young!

Ashley young who's been in mutiple pundits team of the year, A player who's has been part of one the most solid defences in the league, who finished 2nd in the prem and are in the FA cup final. Young has actually had a great season, solid decisively and a thread glinng forward. Also Sessengon has been playing in the championship , big big difference between that and Premiership football.


I'm not interested in pundit's teams of the year. Southgate should still have found a space for Sessegnon.

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17 May 2018 07:56 #23 by DeckchairBlue
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HuntingHorn wrote:

Zebby wrote:

HuntingHorn wrote: Not the worst squad he could’ve picked.
The midfield looks lightweight. The keepers are spot on and defence is maybe light on a Centre Back...seems a lot of right & left backs who occasionally fill in at CB for my liking. Ashley Young? Not sure what’s going on there....
Up top I can’t for the life of me think what Wellbeck has done to be in there?? Shit when he’s played and he’s barely played.
If you’re going to take lofts-cheek then why is Zaha not in there? Of all Palace players he’s been the one who’s been outstanding in recent months...I’d prefer him to Sterling on current form.
Shelvey has burned too many bridges being an arrogant prat I think, he may finally have grown up but I think he’s probably damaged his reputation too often to be relied upon...? On form grounds though, he ought to be there.

At least we haven’t pleaded with Rooney to come out of retirement and picked the usual range of half fit, half baked knackers like Wilshere, it’s a start and actually kind of brave for an FA “yes man”


Zaha plays for Ivory Coast I think

Shelvey has been superb and his attitude has been first class should be on plane imo



Zaha played through England junior set ups U17’s & U21’s I think, sure he even got a couple of full England caps too, but you’re right he defected somehow to Ivory Coast???
Up until this year he’s not been setting the world alight mind you last 4 month he’s been carrying a poor palace team to safety on his own!


Shelvey would be a waste of a place behind Alli, Lallana is in the reserves list in case any midfielders gets injured.

Zaha (if he was eligible) ahead of Sterling, are you mental ? Sterling has just had the best season of his career so far (and he's only 23 so more to come) won the league and finished 5th top scorer, his place in the squad team should never be in doubt.

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17 May 2018 10:41 #24 by Zebby
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DeckchairBlue wrote:

HuntingHorn wrote:

Zebby wrote:

HuntingHorn wrote: Not the worst squad he could’ve picked.
The midfield looks lightweight. The keepers are spot on and defence is maybe light on a Centre Back...seems a lot of right & left backs who occasionally fill in at CB for my liking. Ashley Young? Not sure what’s going on there....
Up top I can’t for the life of me think what Wellbeck has done to be in there?? Shit when he’s played and he’s barely played.
If you’re going to take lofts-cheek then why is Zaha not in there? Of all Palace players he’s been the one who’s been outstanding in recent months...I’d prefer him to Sterling on current form.
Shelvey has burned too many bridges being an arrogant prat I think, he may finally have grown up but I think he’s probably damaged his reputation too often to be relied upon...? On form grounds though, he ought to be there.

At least we haven’t pleaded with Rooney to come out of retirement and picked the usual range of half fit, half baked knackers like Wilshere, it’s a start and actually kind of brave for an FA “yes man”


Zaha plays for Ivory Coast I think

Shelvey has been superb and his attitude has been first class should be on plane imo



Zaha played through England junior set ups U17’s & U21’s I think, sure he even got a couple of full England caps too, but you’re right he defected somehow to Ivory Coast???
Up until this year he’s not been setting the world alight mind you last 4 month he’s been carrying a poor palace team to safety on his own!


Shelvey would be a waste of a place behind Alli, Lallana is in the reserves list in case any midfielders gets injured.

Zaha (if he was eligible) ahead of Sterling, are you mental ? Sterling has just had the best season of his career so far (and he's only 23 so more to come) won the league and finished 5th top scorer, his place in the squad team should never be in doubt.



Look at the teams they are at though Zaha has been superb in a struggling team whilst Sterling has world class players all around him

The fact City are sniffing around Zaha tells you the sort of season he has had

All irrelevant of course he is Ivorian apparently

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17 May 2018 12:12 #25 by HuntingHorn
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Not mental at all Deckchair..you must be if you think Sterling is world class though.
He's frequently carried by the plethora of actual work class players in city's team...whereas Zaha has played virtually on his own, so going off current form I'd have Zaha instead of Sterling.
But as He's a fully fledged Ivorian it's irrelevant anyway.

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17 May 2018 12:19 #26 by Happyblue
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HuntingHorn wrote: Not mental at all Deckchair..you must be if you think Sterling is world class though.
He's frequently carried by the plethora of actual work class players in city's team...whereas Zaha has played virtually on his own, so going off current form I'd have Zaha instead of Sterling.
But as He's a fully fledged Ivorian it's irrelevant anyway.

Aye as 23 goals and 11 assitts is being carried ,

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17 May 2018 12:26 - 17 May 2018 12:28 #27 by DeckchairBlue
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HuntingHorn wrote: Not mental at all Deckchair..you must be if you think Sterling is world class though.
He's frequently carried by the plethora of actual work class players in city's team...whereas Zaha has played virtually on his own, so going off current form I'd have Zaha instead of Sterling.
But as He's a fully fledged Ivorian it's irrelevant anyway.


Sterling 23 Goals 11 assists (double what he got last season)
Zaha 9 goals 3 assists

Only Aguero has more goals than him and De Bruyne and Sane have more assists, he's one of the best players in the team.

If Sterling wasn't any good then he wouldn't be at City, they would have got rid of him and replaced him, so I'd say the fact Pep seems to have a good opinion of him is good enough for me, he has massively improved this season.
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