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TOPIC: Player ratings!!!!

Player ratings!!!! 05 Mar 2025 20:50 #1

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Here goes, I'll start off with my views :

Gillespie 4-unconvincing and hate to say it but don't think Hanford can do much worse.
Grainger 5-understandably rusty but good to have him back.
Raynes 5-fine if balls there to be won but if they're put on the back foot and exposed it shows a major weakness
Ellis 5-as per raynes
Atkinson 6-pick of the bunch in a poor performance left too exposed in first half had half decent 2nd half when moved to midfield
Hery 2- waste of a shirt and rightly hanked at half time. Offered zilch
Joyce 2- same as Hery, just can't see what he fetches to the team
Kennedy 4- not much happening for him at the minute but still gives you 100%
Gillead 4- poor again and doesn't know when to release the ball
Asamoah 4- if they'd of played till midnight he still won't have scored, not his fault but too small and lightweight against 2 big centre halfs. No good when he start imo.
Jabo 4- doesn't look interested

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Hope 5- far better option than Hery
McQueen 5- better in advanced role

Dress it up how you want but the fact is we've been s***e since we played Notts county. 3 wins in 16 doesn't exactly scream play off form.
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Player ratings!!!! 05 Mar 2025 21:03 #2

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Jabo doesn't look interested? :S
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Player ratings!!!! 05 Mar 2025 21:18 #3

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Dazzyblue wrote:
Here goes, I'll start off with my views :

Gillespie 4-unconvincing and hate to say it but don't think Hanford can do much worse.
Grainger 5-understandably rusty but good to have him back.
Raynes 5-fine if balls there to be won but if they're put on the back foot and exposed it shows a major weakness
Ellis 5-as per raynes
Atkinson 6-pick of the bunch in a poor performance left too exposed in first half had half decent 2nd half when moved to midfield
Hery 2- waste of a shirt and rightly hanked at half time. Offered zilch
Joyce 2- same as Hery, just can't see what he fetches to the team
Kennedy 4- not much happening for him at the minute but still gives you 100%
Gillead 4- poor again and doesn't know when to release the ball
Asamoah 4- if they'd of played till midnight he still won't have scored, not his fault but too small and lightweight against 2 big centre halfs. No good when he start imo.
Jabo 4- doesn't look interested

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Hope 5- far better option than Hery
McQueen 5- better in advanced role

Dress it up how you want but the fact is we've been s***e since we played Notts county. 3 wins in 16 doesn't exactly scream play off form.

I would have given Gillead a 6, he was the only player who looked like he might do something. Atkinson got worse when he was moved into midfield, he doesn't belong there
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Player ratings!!!! 05 Mar 2025 21:27 #4

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Don't agree with only 4 for Jabo. thought he put in a reasonable shift and worth a 6. Kennedy imo was total rubbish and 3 for him. Only marginally better than Joyce & Hery.Should have hooked him at half time as well. Agree with 6 for Gilliead. Don't know what has happened to Gillespie .seems to have gone from a steady keeper to a nervous wreck.
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Player ratings!!!! 05 Mar 2025 21:35 #5

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Gillespie 5
Atkinson 3
Raynes 5
Ellis 5
Grainger 5
Joyce 1
Hery 2
Kennedy 4
Gillead 4
Asamoah 4
Ibhere 5

Fair enough we were beaten by a superior team, but some really feeble displays, nonetheless.
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Player ratings!!!! 05 Mar 2025 21:40 #6

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I respect you guys ratings and opinions just goes to show how different our views are. Haha. I think half our problem is were over emphasising instead of playing football, were making it difficult for ourselves and a lot of players don't seem to know what they're meant to be doing or what they're function is. Like today, I thought team selection again was questionable. Rigg would of been more suited to playing instead of asamoah against 2 big centre backs especially after playing most the game on Tuesday night.
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Player ratings!!!! 05 Mar 2025 21:43 #7

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i thought Jabo had some good touches today the quick feet on the touchline left the defender for dead,Hery should be playing for Barrow or Workington.
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Player ratings!!!! 05 Mar 2025 21:44 #8

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Arragorn wrote:
Don't agree with only 4 for Jabo. thought he put in a reasonable shift and worth a 6. Kennedy imo was total rubbish and 3 for him. Only marginally better than Joyce & Hery.Should have hooked him at half time as well. Agree with 6 for Gilliead. Don't know what has happened to Gillespie .seems to have gone from a steady keeper to a nervous wreck.

If you were a keeper playing behind that defence, you'd be a nervous wreck.
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Player ratings!!!! 05 Mar 2025 21:46 #9

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Gillespie - 5 players in front of him didn't help.
Grainger - 5 done alright, needs to chill a bit with the dramatic diving tho.
Raynes 5- exposed at times
Ellis 5 -as per Raynes
Atkinson 5 - Curle needs to pick 2 from him, Raynes & Ellis.
Hery 3 - jeer
Joyce 3 - a worse version of Thirlwell
Kennedy 4 - lack of pace exposed him.
Gillead 5 - needs to get stuck in instead of dipping his toe in
Asamoah 4- poor, thought he should of been subbed
Jabo 6 - put himself about and showed a bit of skill.

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Hope 5 - Looked dangerous
McQueen 5 - very unlucky to be dropped after recent performances

Curle 5 - got his team selections wrong.
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Player ratings!!!! 05 Mar 2025 22:08 #10

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Apart from passing it to Derek at Anfield can anyone think of anything resembling a bit of flair from Hery at all this season?. If he was White English and didnt have stupid red hair theres no way anyone would describe him as a flair player. Hed probably be called Luke Joyce or summat. Not that i think hes as good as Joyce. Apart from that we are crying out for a bit of pace drive and determination in the middle. Maybe Comley could be that player but realistically there isnt anyone at the club who can grab hold of the midfield and move us forward.
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Re:Player ratings!!!! 05 Mar 2025 22:17 #11

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Dazzyblue wrote:
Here goes, I'll start off with my views :


Jabo 4- doesn't look interested

I respect your opinion, but 4 is harsh. We were spoiled with his goals early in the season, he's never been a prolific goal scorer, and was always gonna be in a rut. We are still wanting the goals galore from early in the season
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Player ratings!!!! 06 Mar 2025 02:45 #12

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Dazzyblue wrote:
I respect you guys ratings and opinions just goes to show how different our views are. Haha. I think half our problem is were over emphasising instead of playing football, were making it difficult for ourselves and a lot of players don't seem to know what they're meant to be doing or what they're function is. Like today, I thought team selection again was questionable. Rigg would of been more suited to playing instead of asamoah against 2 big centre backs especially after playing most the game on Tuesday night.

'and a lot of players don't seem to know what they're meant to be doing'
I've been bloody well saying this all frigging season, isn't this the managers job?
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Player ratings!!!! 06 Mar 2025 07:10 #13

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Haven't seen or heard the Paddock that negative for ages. No wonder Joyce and Hery declined even further in performance when there are numpties booing them with 70 minutes to go.
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Player ratings!!!! 06 Mar 2025 08:35 #14

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Yesterday I was livid so gave myself a night to reflect! We were beaten by a far superior team on a magnificent run that'll win the league at a canter and fair play to them. Decent fans and easy on the eye when knocking the ball about.

Carlisle had a really bad day at the office and yeah we're on a poor run but Jesus Christ we're still just 6 points off the playoffs... Nowhere near the relegation battle and have a positive goal difference! As far as I'm concerned every player that played yesterday has contributed to that! after years of rapid decline we're starting a slow and steady incline and that'll do for me! Bad day at the office but the seasons far from over! Collectively I'd give the team a 3 as no one stood out for any period of time!
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Player ratings!!!! 06 Mar 2025 08:41 #15

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Bluesmad wrote:
Yesterday I was livid so gave myself a night to reflect! We were beaten by a far superior team on a magnificent run that'll win the league at a canter and fair play to them. Decent fans and easy on the eye when knocking the ball about.

Carlisle had a really bad day at the office and yeah we're on a poor run but Jesus Christ we're still just 6 points off the playoffs... Nowhere near the relegation battle and have a positive goal difference! As far as I'm concerned every player that played yesterday has contributed to that! after years of rapid decline we're starting a slow and steady incline and that'll do for me! Bad day at the office but the seasons far from over! Collectively I'd give the team a 3 as no one stood out for any period of time!

I have some good news for you, we're only 3 points off the playoffs, not 6.
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Player ratings!!!! 06 Mar 2025 08:48 #16

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Just made my morning superb haha! Forgot 4 teams go up.... D'uh! See every cloud
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Player ratings!!!! 06 Mar 2025 08:53 #17

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Dazzyblue wrote:
I think half our problem is were over emphasising instead of playing football, .

They were over emphasising? I must have missed that! I thought they were just being shite
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Re:Player ratings!!!! 06 Mar 2025 08:59 #18

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Gillespie's distribution is what worries me.

The cobblers keeper yesterday on a couple of occasions spotted the guy in space up top following a defensive situation, without thinking, played it perfectly to him - EARLY! None of this hold it, put it down, pass it to Joyce, get the ball back and then punt it long.

Obviously route one isn't the option all the time, but certainly helped them with a fast counter attack. With Derek's, Hope's and Gillead's speed yesterday it would certainly have caused a problem. For reference, see Grainger's couple of balls 'round the corner' for Derek, when running and chasing he gave them a threat.
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Player ratings!!!! 06 Mar 2025 08:59 #19

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I am has disappointed has the next man however we have to remember that Northampton are 13 points clear and 20 points clear of the fourth placed team.We didn't deserve anything from the game but boy did we miss some great chances , on a positive note st least we created chances against by far the best team in the league.
Apart from Wyke that was arguably our best out there today , it stood out that our best is simply not good enough .
It does not help playing players out of position , Atkinson struggled at RB and Hery was dreadful wide right, both better players than they showed in the first half. Atkinson was actually our best player playing in midfield in the second half.That really tells its own story , a defender playing in midfield .
We are only 3 points off the play offs with a game in hand on most teams around us and we are has good or bad has all of those teams.
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Player ratings!!!! 06 Mar 2025 10:20 #20

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This might seem controversia but, I didn't think there was that much between Northampton and Orient, both decent sides. We matched Orient and , had we put our early chances and half chances away, results could have been much different. Yesterday was similar, we had had chances and half chances that we failed to finish. Northampton have the momentum and winning mentality to be clinical in front of goal, we got that yesterday, both barrels.

As for ratings? Nah, too many had an off day. For me though, KC got the subs right at HT, Hery is piss poor and should be out the door, still living off that pass at Anfield, done fook all else since, Hope is a much better player all round. Joyce was also terrible yesterday, Yet he was not too bad at Morecambe and against Orient. If he sticks to doing the simple things, he is usually ok but when pressed in possesssion, he is a weak link, Dicker could hold the ball in these circumstances but he's gone now.
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Player ratings!!!! 06 Mar 2025 10:50 #21

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Don't get me wrong, Northampton were a good side but some folk on here are sounding like Greg Abbott, that we should be privileged to be on the same pitch as them! They're a fourth division club ffs, the same as we are! They were definitely beatable but if you stand off a good side as much as we did, similar to the way we did against Everton, they'll murder you. I thought Portsmouth were a better side than Northampton but we got a point against them as we were far more organised and switched on before Christmas.

Yesterday, after the first 20 minutes, we looked slow, sluggish and on our heels. Northampton pressed us really well forcing us into mistakes whereas we stood right off them, didn't get in amongst them and let them play. They were clinical in front of goal, we were woeful in front of goal. If we'd have taken just a few of our chances it would have been a whole different game though. Asamoah annoyed me more than anyone yesterday, once again his reluctance to pass cost us early on when he could have played Ibhere in but instead shot wide, then his pathetic attempt to get the ball onto his right foot in the second half when through on goal was schoolboy stuff.
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Player ratings!!!! 06 Mar 2025 11:33 #22

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Thought Northampton were very well organised and disciplined - didn't have any particular "flair" players (though Holmes was good), but they got themselves into space and worked the ball well - the exact opposite of us. I don't think our players had a clue what formation we were playing at times and the changes didn't make that much of a difference.

We've got a workman like midfield now and I know it's harking back, but letting Dicker go isn't looking a great move. I wouldn't have picked him every week, but when you do use him he at least has an ability to turn on the ball and find a man in space. I lost count of the number of times both Joyce and Kennedy hoofed it forward to no-one first-half.

Gillespie - 5 - Not as convincing as we know he can be although you'd argue he didn't have much chance with the goals. Thought he'd messed up on the third but seeing it again on telly, Ellis lost O'Toole who poked it past him.

Atkinson - 6 - Fairly solid at right-back, probably a little poorer in midfield. Lost Collins for the fourth goal. He might be worth a longer look in midfield as he's a better passer of the ball than Joyce.

Ellis - 5 - Seems to be having a bit of a slump after his excellent last couple of months. Getting turned very easily by defenders... possibly something scouts have noted and opposition are exploiting as much as they can?

Raynes - 5 - Very similar to Ellis.... in fact so much that you'd have to start asking the question as to whether leaving one of them out might be a good move. Ellis is marginally better on the ball but not by much - both of them in there means we just hoof it way too much. I'd move Atkinson into the middle alongside one of them. For someone so big, Raynes isn't as dominant as he should be at the back either.

Grainger - 5 - Looked rusty defensively but I can forgive that as he's been out for two months. Going forward he was probably our biggest threat, particularly first-half where he put two or three good balls into the box.

Bastien Hery - 2 - That's one for turning up, and another for out of slight sympathy as he's clearly not a winger despite what the manager thinks. That said, doesn't excuse lack of effort. Lots of lovely little turns on the ball... which gets him away from one player but then straight into another who nicks the ball. Like someone said above, bar that pass to Asamoah at Anfield, what has he actually contributed this season? If we're going to play, him, use him just off a striker in attacking midfield so we can see whether he really has any flair. Not sure I bought Curle's explanation for his role on the radio after the game either... sounded to me like he overcomplicated it for him.

Luke Joyce - 3 - Marginally better than Hery. Won a few tackles but his distribution is poor - he takes about two or three touches to get the ball out of his feet and plays the ball behind players too often - I don't mind backwards or sideways passes too much but you need to play it into the right position for the player to come on to. The big question about Joyce is whether he's any better of a player than the one that left us first time around - I'm still not 100% convinced.

Jason Kennedy - 5 - Battled away but not particularly great either. He's developed a habit of aimlessly hoofing it forward when previously he did well by keeping it simple. Should really have buried that chance to equalise at 1-0.

Alex Gilliead - 4 - When on-form, there aren't many better wingers in the division.... however, he's not been on-form since Christmas. Created a few chances but spent most of his time fannying out of challenges. Needs to realise very quickly that he isn't playing at U21 level any more and that he's going to get hurt every now and then. Not sure whether him drifting inside is the instructions of the manager but it's really not working... tell him to hug the touchline and run at the full-back.

Derek Asamoah - 5 - Not hard to see why Curle has used him as an impact sub mostly of late. Got into a few good positions but his finishing was wasteful. Surprised he wasn't subbed in the second-half as he didn't offer much of a threat.

Jabo Ibehre - 6 - Can't agree at all that he wasn't interested - you could argue he created two of our best chances by drifting out wide and putting in two decent crosses. At the least, he tries to hold onto the ball and bring others into play. Don't mind his lack of goals lately so much - others need to step up to the plate.

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Alex McQueen - 5 - Probably a bit unlucky to be left out as he's done okay recently. Looked solid enough and got forward to offer something in attack - the one thing Atkinson doesn't really do at right-back. His crossing was a bit hit and miss but put a couple of decent balls in. There's potential there and I'd definitely keep him for another season.

Hallam Hope - 6 - Fair enough if he was ill during the week, can understand why he was left out. Despite that, he was the exact opposite of Gilliead - was actually prepared to take on his man and stayed out wide waiting for the ball.... that said, he needs to learn to stop being so greedy and release the ball quicker. Good finish for his goal.


Manager - 4 - Got his tactics wrong and was a bit slow to react - earlier in the season he hoyed Hery off after half an hour against Yeovil. Maybe he thought it was destroy his confidence doing it twice in one season. Really don't get the idea of playing Hery out wide - just strikes me as trying to be clever for the sake of it. Not sure why he didn't bother making the third sub either - the game was gone, so why not give someone like Thompson or Rigg a run out, as they are clearly going to need match practice if he plans on using them at some point.

We've gone from a side that played decent football at the start of the season but had a fairly leaky defence, to one that plays very direct and has a slightly less leaky defence. We're still on course to concede 70 plus goals this season. Doesn't exactly suggest a great coaching ability.
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Player ratings!!!! 06 Mar 2025 12:33 #23

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Particularly given he's a former top level centre-half.

Gilliead has had one outstanding game so far, and that was at home to Exeter where he was up against a 35-year old central midfielder filling in at left-back due to injuries.
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Player ratings!!!! 06 Mar 2025 12:56 #24

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I didn't think there was too much of a gap between the teams ability wise tbh. The difference was they hunted as a pack for the ball whereas we did it on an individual basis. This gave the impression that we stood off them. They played around the player chasing it creating space to play.

It was a risk to put in 2 newly returned defenders on the pitch Grainger as captain I can understand wanting him back in as we have blatantly missed his supply of crosses, but Atkinson as well and against the team top of the league. To be fair neither looked too bad but the understanding between players in a defence wasn't totally there and probably caused us too many problems.

Ultimately we gifted them goals by faffing around with the ball in dangerous areas of the pitch, they moved it quickly and we were languid by comparison.

A quick note on McQueen he looked shocking vs Orient, 7 touches at one point for him to try and put a cross in and then failed miserably, however he came on and had a go 300 percent better this match. A complete contrast to the inept Hery. It says something when the opposing fans start singing how crap he is.

We could have been 3 up before they scored, one of those goes in its a totally different game. A square ball across the goal and Jabo smashes it in, instead Asamoah hooked it wide. I thought Jabo played well as has been said he skinned players on the wing and in the centre, sadly he's not quick enough to to get on the end of his own crosses. If we converted our good chances at the same ratio to what they did we probably win 5-4

Asamoah should have buried the chance with his left foot, to take it onto his right was a criminal waste of a chance. He buries that it would have turned the game imho. In his defence it did bobble at the point of pulling the trigger so he maybe thought rather than risking shanking it to control and create a better chance. The problem there is with Wyke out we look to Rigg and tbh he was so far off the pace mentally and physically vs Orient that I was surprised he had his boots on. It did look like luck was riding against us yesterday especially in front of goal. Their second deflects in, ours ricochets wide.

Atkinson was far more composed than Joyce in midfield, not a high benchmark I agree but maybe worth looking at for the next game. I'm puzzled as to why Gilead is on the left. Playing your most creative player out of position stinks of Greg. Even when he moved to the right he was stood in line with the box. He should be stood on the touch line to receive the ball and spread the defence.

It seemed harsh on Gillesphey to be dropped after his performance vs Orient, perhaps put him back in with Grainger as the left sided midfielder ahead of him. Still got a supply line on the left that way. Then bring on Hope vs tired legs.

Curle got the team wrong imho, the balance is wrong right on the right, left on the left stay wide and you will create space for chances.

Finally a note on the ref. There should have been a yellow shown in the first few minutes to their right winger for a cynical foul stopping us breaking away. Nothing given, from then on they continued this tactic knowing a card wouldn't be given. That being said we benefitted from his leniency when Hery came closest to impacting the game by crippling one of their players with a rash swipe in a moment of madness. He should have seen red. What he offers the club I cannot see except a red pom-pom without a bobble hat.
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Player ratings!!!! 06 Mar 2025 13:39 #25

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It makes me chuckle I think some folk are a bit bipolar with marks we win by a couple they dish loads of 8 and 9 scores

We lose a game and everyone gets 3 and 4 even 1 & 2 ffs really...

That team we played is as good as a team as you will get in our league as good as a couple of our promotion teams they did a cracking job on us a team that has shown plenty of fight and resilience
throughout the season,we made mistakes they capitalised on them


I hope we improve as much next season as we have this because if we do we will go up
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Northampton yesterday reminded me of a lot of games when we won league 2 under Simpson. We used to give teams plenty of chances but with Holmes Bridges and Hawley we usually ended up winning easily. A particular tuesday night game at Boston stands out, We really should have been a couple of goals down then won 5-0. Great days ;)
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I'm as disappointed as most seem to be about yesterday's performance, or lack of it. However we reached 50 points with about 9 weeks left of the season which is a big improvement on recent efforts. I don't think we are quite good enough on current form to make the play offs but I think Curle deserves credit for getting us this far. The real test for him will be next season to see if he can bring in better players so that we can build on what has been achieved this season and improve consistency. For Bryan to suggest the players haven't known what they are supposed to be doing all season - well 13 league and 4 cup wins ( plus going through on pens v Yeovil ) suggests otherwise.

Gillespie 5 - doesn't really seem to be progressing the way I'd have expected and distribution a bit of a problem at present. However I'm sure he will come through it
Atkinson 5 and Grainger 5 - restored a bit of balance to the defence but after injury will take time to settle in again. Atkinson was better with Miller outside him and we've really missed Danny as he was having a purple patch before injury. However he was at fault for the first goal.
Raynes 5 and Ellis 5 - both old fashined centre backs, will win balls in the air and tackle well on the whole - but not when players are given so much space to run at them as happened yesterday
Hery 2 - has had plenty of chances this to show what he is capable of - in truth not much
Joyce 3 - lost his way. He is simply someone whose role is to win the ball and lay it off as quickly as possible to someone with more ability. He isn't winning the ball and has not much talent around him at present to do the latter
Kennedy 5 - played more games than any outfield player this season and it is really starting to show. He is running on empty and needs more support around him to bring the best out of him
Gilliead 5 - needs to be wide right to get the best out of him, and for others to get the ball quickly to him. More courage needed
Asamoah 6 - thought he did a bit better than others seem to suggest. Manages to win the ball against bigger defenders but distribution not his strength
Ibehre 6 - touches of his earlier season form at times but needs more support around him

I thought Curle made the correct substitutions at half time. However i think he should have started Hope instead of Hery after Hope's decent mid week display v Orient. He has more to offer that Hery. One bright spot was I thought McQueen did well going forward when he came on and looked a little more confident.

I'd start the midweek game with the 11 that finished the game yesterday unless Miller is fit.
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He said on radio Hopes been at home ill all week or he would have started.
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Thanks, DB. I hadn't heard that.
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:angry: So most were only average, Well if you can only put an average performance against the top team in a piss pot league you should put your wages on the nearest poor box.....
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