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TOPIC: CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16

CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 13 May 2025 12:22 #1

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Statement issued this morning....
To keep supporters up to date with the current investment situation we have prepared the following statement :

Possible new share issue by CUFC Holdings

Following the reported events of last week, CUOSC has now received a letter concerning a possible new share issue from the directors of CUFC Holdings.

The information we have received in the letter gives little information other than that which has already appeared in the local media regarding the possible issuing of 1,000,000 £1 shares.

In particular it is still completely unclear:

(i) how any monies raised by CUOSC would be used (although £250,000 would appear to be needed to merely “stand still” at the current level of CUOSC shareholding) and specifically could or would the monies raised by CUOSC be used to pay off existing loans to the Club from other shareholders in CUFC Holdings?

(ii) whether there would [be] any new investment at all (other than from CUOSC) and if so how much would it be?

(iii) if there were to be any such new investment then from whom would it come?

(iv) which of the existing loans might be converted to new shares and to what extent?

The proposed share issue cannot proceed without CUOSC’s approval under the 2006 Shareholders’ Agreement although our approval can’t be unreasonably withheld and of course it wouldn’t be; as demonstrated by events of last year when in principle a dilution to 10% was agreed subject to completion of “the Lapping deal” new investment of over £1.2m and new CUOSC protection.

Clearly, in the circumstances, the board have had no choice other than to again take legal advice. We are being advised by John Wilson a corporate lawyer and Managing Partner at Baines Wilson LLP.

John is an original member of CUOSC helping to form the organisation in 2001, he was also a founder of the Carlisle United Business Club.

To enable CUOSC to take any decision regarding the proposed share issue a detailed letter has been sent by our lawyers requesting the information needed by any sensible investor to make such a key decision and also requesting an urgent meeting after receipt of such information.

We originally anticipated holding a members information meeting sooner rather than later, but it is with much regret we must put that on hold as first it is imperative we have answers to the questions we have raised with CUFC Holdings
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 13 May 2025 12:56 #2

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It's obvious that AJ wants money back and this is a way to get it.

There's no one willing to invest and give AJ money for nothing. AJ has probably taken legal action to see if he can push this through and has got the ok - it depends whether any documents were withheld or what documents the trust have.

The CH doc is a killer though but depends what official documents the trust have. One thing for certain it's going to be messy!
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 13 May 2025 17:10 #3

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I think both parties need to try and have a formal meeting and go through the proposal in detail-a board meeting would be the appropriate forum.

Hang on-a holdco board meeting comprising all stakeholders?
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 13 May 2025 19:13 #4

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At least CUOSC is getting legal advice, mandatory I know ......who is advising the 3 amigos on this very amateurish proposal......why no details Mr Chairman . ??
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 13 May 2025 19:34 #5

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so, keeping it simple, 75% of our owners are at legal loggerheads with 25% of our owners- UNITA FORTIA- "Strength in unity" is our club motto!!!
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 13 May 2025 19:39 #6

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I would see it slightly differently Trev, I would say that 75% of our owners are bending 25% of our owners over and trying to rump them!
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 13 May 2025 22:57 #7

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Ooh, a meeting...

Would it be like this, starring Mullen as Mowgli..?

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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 14 May 2025 14:20 #8

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It seems to be that Jenkins and Nixon are expecting the supporters to put money in to pay off the Jenkins and Pioneer debt that has been built up under their regime.

Anyone who expects me to put money in to give to a millionaire who is largely culpable for that debt in the first place, is quite frankly off their tits.

They might also want to remember Fred Story writing his loan off for the good of the club ahead of the now dead Lapping deal.
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 14 May 2025 16:41 #9

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As I said on another thread who is advising/putting them up to this . Anyone hearing AJs speech at the Awards dinner will certainly be in no doubt its not our dear leader's idea!
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 14 May 2025 17:01 #10

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seesaw50 wrote:
As I said on another thread who is advising/putting them up to this . Anyone hearing AJs speech at the Awards dinner will certainly be in no doubt its not our dear leader's idea!

Can you expand on what makes you say that Seesaw ?
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 14 May 2025 17:16 #11

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Only one word needed.... Bumbling!
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Re:RE: CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 14 May 2025 17:29 #12

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As I said on another thread who is advising/putting them up to this . Anyone hearing AJs speech at the Awards dinner will certainly be in no doubt its not our dear leader's idea!
Agar?
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Re:RE: CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 14 May 2025 21:23 #13

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Gonna be interesting to see the Real Deal!
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Re:RE: CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 14 May 2025 21:24 #14

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Are we being taken over by Evander Holyfield? I'll buy a season ticket if he punches the outgoing director of external affairs.
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Re:RE: CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 14 May 2025 21:37 #15

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Que?????????????
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 14 May 2025 22:43 #16

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thetashkentterror wrote:
It seems to be that Jenkins and Nixon are expecting the supporters to put money in to pay off the Jenkins and Pioneer debt that has been built up under their regime.

Anyone who expects me to put money in to give to a millionaire who is largely culpable for that debt in the first place, is quite frankly off their tits.

They might also want to remember Fred Story writing his loan off for the good of the club ahead of the now dead Lapping deal.


Absolutely, he's like one of them tits on grand design who spend a million building a house and then chuck a wobbler when their money runs out and the surveyor says what they've built is only worth about 300 grand to anyone else.
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 14 May 2025 22:45 #17

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seesaw50 wrote:
As I said on another thread who is advising/putting them up to this . Anyone hearing AJs speech at the Awards dinner will certainly be in no doubt its not our dear leader's idea!

You went to the awards dinner? :sick:
There's only one United!
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Re:CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 14 May 2025 22:50 #18

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Assume you wont be writing in next seasons programmes Tashy ;)

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Re:CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 14 May 2025 23:09 #19

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Apparently The Chairman's Notes are to be renamed No News from the Bunker
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Re:CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 14 May 2025 23:09 #20

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The trust have made several statements this year but there's doesn't seem to have been much action. Now we hear Norman sits on his arse and says nowt. Can we expect anything different anytime soon?
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 15 May 2025 09:29 #21

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Like I've said before, if I was very wealthy whether it be from business, inheritance or a lottery win, I would love to invest lots into my hobby and love.
I would look on the money as just that -money spent on my hobby. And if that money was only a couple of million after enjoying a lifetime working to try and help cufc, I would consider it money well spent.
I certainly wouldn't be looking to get it back. Especially if I still had plenty to leave my family after I was dead and gone.
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 07 Jun 2025 21:00 #22

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All gone very quiet from both parties...
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 07 Jun 2025 21:04 #23

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not surprising
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 07 Jun 2025 21:30 #24

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Arragorn wrote:
not surprising

Yes funny that considering the last time he was on here commenting on the matter a couple of weeks ago Deano assured us there was a statement on its way to members and would be posted online a couple of days later i understand since then theres been two meetings and not a peep from any of them
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 07 Jun 2025 21:49 #25

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A couple of weeks ago I was on holiday with very little/no internet access, and didn't post on here.

Can you quote me where I said there was a statement on it's way to members so I can refresh my memory?

Maybe there's a valid reason why there's 'not a peep' from any of them. Have a bit of patience. There is no problem.
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 07 Jun 2025 23:20 #26

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cufcdeano wrote:
A couple of weeks ago I was on holiday with very little/no internet access, and didn't post on here.

Can you quote me where I said there was a statement on it's way to members so I can refresh my memory?

Maybe there's a valid reason why there's 'not a peep' from any of them. Have a bit of patience. There is no problem.

I Believe it was on the thread that got deleted.

And if a great victory is on the way lets be hearing about it lets have a bit of gloating about it Put the old [censored] in his place then hIm and his cronies might get the message not to try it again.

Start acting like a Trust make sure he gets the message do it the way the fans want or get the fu*ck out.

But somehow i dont think this is going to be the great victory that you profess that its going to be.
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Re:CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 08 Jun 2025 07:20 #27

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Ah, the topic that got deleted, convenient.

Where have I said anything about a great victory?
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 09 Jun 2025 00:00 #28

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By the way - it was last Tuesday (8 days) ago I mentioned about a statement coming, and that it wasn't for me to say anything.

As per the CUOSC briefing that's gone out tonight to members, I can confirm that both parties are working to release a joint statement, having reached an agreement on the matter resolving the issuing of new shares.
Investment Update

On May 13, we issued a statement outlining the latest position in regard to a plan by CUFC Holdings directors to issue 1m new shares. We had concerns about this plan, due to a lack of information about what form of investment it might bring, and if any new money would in fact come into the club. Since then we've had a meeting involving ourselves, Holdings directors and our respective legal representatives. An agreement was reached and we are currently working on a joint statement that will appear as soon as possible.
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 09 Jun 2025 00:19 #29

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cufcdeano wrote:
By the way - it was last Tuesday (8 days) ago I mentioned about a statement coming, and that it wasn't for me to say anything.

As per the CUOSC briefing that's gone out tonight to members, I can confirm that both parties are working to release a joint statement, having reached an agreement on the matter resolving the issuing of new shares.
Investment Update

On May 13, we issued a statement outlining the latest position in regard to a plan by CUFC Holdings directors to issue 1m new shares. We had concerns about this plan, due to a lack of information about what form of investment it might bring, and if any new money would in fact come into the club. Since then we've had a meeting involving ourselves, Holdings directors and our respective legal representatives. An agreement was reached and we are currently working on a joint statement that will appear as soon as possible.

So the Trust havnt just told him to get fucked then ? I think we could all see that coming.

"I can confirm that both parties are working to release a joint statement, having reached an agreement on the matter resolving the issuing of new shares" I.m sure the members will have been waiting with baited breath to hear that..
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 10 Jun 2025 13:53 #30

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cufcdeano wrote:
By the way - it was last Tuesday (8 days) ago I mentioned about a statement coming, and that it wasn't for me to say anything.

As per the CUOSC briefing that's gone out tonight to members, I can confirm that both parties are working to release a joint statement, having reached an agreement on the matter resolving the issuing of new shares.
Investment Update

On May 13, we issued a statement outlining the latest position in regard to a plan by CUFC Holdings directors to issue 1m new shares. We had concerns about this plan, due to a lack of information about what form of investment it might bring, and if any new money would in fact come into the club. Since then we've had a meeting involving ourselves, Holdings directors and our respective legal representatives. An agreement was reached and we are currently working on a joint statement that will appear as soon as possible.
That's still well within the usual 5 - 10 day parameters then...
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 10 Jun 2025 14:01 #31

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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:
cufcdeano wrote:
By the way - it was last Tuesday (8 days) ago I mentioned about a statement coming, and that it wasn't for me to say anything.

As per the CUOSC briefing that's gone out tonight to members, I can confirm that both parties are working to release a joint statement, having reached an agreement on the matter resolving the issuing of new shares.
Investment Update

On May 13, we issued a statement outlining the latest position in regard to a plan by CUFC Holdings directors to issue 1m new shares. We had concerns about this plan, due to a lack of information about what form of investment it might bring, and if any new money would in fact come into the club. Since then we've had a meeting involving ourselves, Holdings directors and our respective legal representatives. An agreement was reached and we are currently working on a joint statement that will appear as soon as possible.

So the Trust havnt just told him to get fucked then ? I think we could all see that coming.

"I can confirm that both parties are working to release a joint statement, having reached an agreement on the matter resolving the issuing of new shares" I.m sure the members will have been waiting with baited breath to hear that..

Why a joint statement. I'm pretty sure they wasn't a joint statement when the Lapping deal fell through unless this ones been accepted.
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CUOSC Statement - 13/05/16 10 Jun 2025 14:14 #32

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It is a joint statement because there will have been agreement on at least some of the matters under discussion. AJ and JN withdrew unilaterally from Lapping's plan so they just put out their own statement.
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It is a joint statement because there will have been agreement on at least some of the matters under discussion. AJ and JN withdrew unilaterally from Lapping's plan so they just put out their own statement.

If the trust have agreed on anything other then to say no they want shot!.
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