TOPIC: Surge from the Left Wing Loonies............

So, this week we have seen our Junior Doctors out on strike. What was the chant ' What do we want ".........Erm, F..k knows, " When do we want it " Erm, around lunch time, I think " They had not got a clue why they were striking, 4000 operations cancelled and 10's of thousands of day care appointments. " All in the interest of Patient Safety "
Well, at least they have a sense of humour !!

Oh, and I suppose the Loony Tube Drivers have put a few shifts in since Christmas, they need another holiday/rest, you guessed it, More strikes on the way. What a bunch of .ankers. (same as the orther twisted conniving crooks) Jezza and the Militant army are on the March...

Train drivers on London Underground look set to take three days of strike action over a long-running dispute about pay and plans for an all night Tube service.

Leaders of the drivers' union Aslef will meet on Monday to decide whether to press ahead with stoppages which would cripple Tube services in the capital.

If the executive agrees, there will be a 24-hour strike from 21.14 on Wednesday January 27 followed by two further 24 hour strikes from the same time on February 15 and February 17

You do realise they don't get paid when they're on strike?

MerseysideBlue wrote:
I think The Sun forgot to mention that bit.

Don't blame the Juniors blame Hunt the c**t, Over 90% voted for strike action, Sometimes its the only way to get your voice heard friend.....

These Junior Dr negotiations began in 2012 and continued until they broke down in 2014 - long, long before the report on weekend deaths and Hunt claiming it was being negotiated on the back of a "manifesto pledge" (oh and when the [censored] has a manifesto pledge ever bothered the Tories before?).

The one and only reason the BMA balloted for strike action is because Hunt has said that he was going to impose the new contract on the Drs because they hadn't agreed.

If I was having a new contract forced on me, yeah, i'd certainly think about striking. Especially if i'd been negotiating in good will for over 3 years.

Could someone please explain what good ' Striking ' does ?

Is it ' sticking it to the man ' or ' power to the people ' or showing the bosses who's boss ' the only people who suffer from striking is the man in the street.......

Striking is driven by greed not desperation................

How dare people stand up for their working conditions.

You must work at Sports Direct.

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When you've been down all other avenues to try and resolve an issue, and your voice is still not being heard, striking is the best way of making sure that you don't get bullied into submission.

Junior doctors are all going to have long and well paid careers, but the NHS is going down the pan and somebody needs to fight for it.

I Agree conditions must be right before changing contracts .But i wonder how many users on this site actually work 9 to 5 or day shift Mon to Fri not many .The country runs 7 days a week now people working in shops factorys working 7 days a week and many more .

CumbrianView wrote:
I've tried to illustrate how these changes have *nothing* to do with 7 day working.

Shit, Junior Drs work 7 day weeks anyway. Just a convenient smokescreen to impose a new contract.

thesilentone wrote:
Can you explain what other option they have? They've been in negotiations for 3.5 years. When they reached an impasse Hunt just decided to impose the new contract anyway. That's why they're striking.

CumbrianView wrote:
You do realise junior doctors dont just work 9-5 dont you?

I'm afraid the Dog is definitely missing the Rabbit here.

1) How does making the average person suffer, create support? It is simple, Junior doctors (like the Tube drivers) are fighting the changes we need to mover forward.
2) When is everyone who works in the Public sector going to wake up and realise problems are NOT resolved by throwing money at it ! we are wrecking the NHS through mass inefficiency and lack of development. Money creates excess, the NHS is the worst example of this !!
3) Bullied into submission, yes, they are really going to suffer, aren't they.........
4) Why are we more likely to die if admitted to Hospital on a Sunday ?

As stated above, those who have a Mo-Fri 9-5 mentality are living in a time-wharp, the world has moved on and we are being left behind.

Oh [censored] it, go on then.

1) How does making the average person suffer, create support? It is simple, Junior doctors (like the Tube drivers) are fighting the changes we need to mover forward.

Nobody wants the average person to suffer. The reason they're doing the job, by definition, is to easy suffering. What other options do they have? They've negotiated as far as they can. The result - the government will impose the changes. What other option have they got?

2) When is everyone who works in the Public sector going to wake up and realise problems are NOT resolved by throwing money at it ! we are wrecking the NHS through mass inefficiency and lack of development. Money creates excess, the NHS is the worst example of this !!

What mass inefficiency is that then? All I keep hearing about is this mass inefficiency and how everything can be solved by efficiency savings. How long can the NHS keep making efficiency savings? The facts are we have an aging population, living longer with more treatments available to extend lives. Like it or not, that all costs money. Add onto that, you have a 1/3 reduction in the social budget of councils. That slack is taken up by hospitals. GPS unable to cope, taken up by hospitals.

3) Bullied into submission, yes, they are really going to suffer, aren't they.........

I don't know, maybe your happy for all the most talented Drs we train to decide they'd be better of in Saudi, Australia or the US? They won't suffer but this country surely will.

4) Why are we more likely to die if admitted to Hospital on a Sunday ?

Errr, because if it's serious enough to go in at a weekend then it's serious? Because people at end of life can't be admitted to palliative care hospices at weekends? Just a couple of reasons that are nothing to do with the Jr Drs who are actually there in A&E; and on the wards at weekends.

Look, there's no doubt that hospitals, and by extension patients, would benefit by having more senior consultants available out of hours and at weekends (if you could prize them off their golf courses) but you're not going to get that by forcing the Junior Drs who are already on-site to amend their contracts giving them less safeguards.

Those who threaten to go Saudi Arabia for better working conditions, I will personally pay for the flights !!

They could perhaps take a few of our ''Super Dooper ' bankers with them, you know, the ones we can't do without.

And (in a perfect World) take those Fat Lazy Militant Republican Union Leaders to show the Yanks and Arabs how it's done, and what worker relations are all about, that I would pay to watch !!

I would hate to be you.
I'm even embarrassed for you and your narrow minded, Inhumane thoughts.

Could you start supporting another team please

? Should I be taking that personally Useless?

if they got rid of the top heavy management in the NHS would release more funds into the service. Why all these ineficient groups to they really need. go back to the origins of the health service you dont need all these committees etc . Go back to basics no more jobs for the boys/girls let the professionals run it ie the qualified nurses doctors back up staff etc

It was meant for the silent one, if only he was....

So, who are all these managment then Waterlo if you know there's so many?

And, if these qualified Nurses and Doctors are running the hospitals, then who exactly is it who's looking after patients?

What's the distinction between management and backup staff?

quite a few thousand pounds a year . I used to work for the NHS you never had such a large amount of management with offices all round the parish. PFI hasnt helped.you dont need all these committees sucking funds out of patient care. do they need all theses offices at rosehill when they have a big building sitting empy that could be used as offices etc saving thousands on rental.the hierachy keep themselves as far away as possible from the frontline as they can. as I said jobs for the boys?girls. How many of them leave after cocking up get a pay off then re-appear somewhere else as if nothing had happened

You've no argument from me that North Cumbria was badly run and run into the ground but that's only one Trust.
You can't paint all trusts with the same brush.
There are managers, there has to be, these are, in effect, multi million pound businesses.

One area though that I find outrageous.

Vicars, the NHS pays for a CoE Vicar in every hospital - the Catholic's do it voluntarily, the Imams do it voluntarily, Rabbis do it voluntarily but CoE are paid.

There's a disgusting waste of NHS finance.

I lost my place there as I was saying we aint the worst in the country but if you saw how many headless chickens are running around to meet targets etc you would weep. the C of E being one of the largest landowners in the country should hang their heads in shame. I didnt realise they charged. Anyway nice to chat without getting to political. Ive done barnet so I might take myself off to Annan tomorrow get a bit of localish footie until next week hopefully back to home cheers

I know exactly how bad these targets are - 4 hours waiting times and 12 hour waiting times mean the focus is on staying within target and not the welfare of the patient.

I just tend to get a bit wound up with all this slagging of management. My Mrs would be classed as middle management and I see her go to work at 6.30/7am everyday, come home around 6.30pm/7pm every night and *then* do 2 or 3 hours every night. On top of that, another 3 or 4 hours on a Sat and Sunday. And, a duty manager shift every month. And does twilight shifts on a ward just so she can see what's going on.

I work in the private sector, don't get paid that much less but do less than half the work she does. If I [censored] up, somebodies server doesn't quite work right. If she fucks up, somebody dies.

Anyway, yeah, nice talking with you too Waltero.

Not so sure about Annan but lets hope we hump Barnet!

It wasnt a personal attack on anyone just the system in general. Yep Im looking for a day out tomorrow I just enjoy the matchday experience and Ive done my three home/away games just fancy something local tomorrow. couple ex carlisle lads playing there nice to see how they doing. Its onle a fiver on the train fiver to get in few beers and home in time for tea

To hump Barnet wud just make my day

I know and I didn't take it as such.

cheers. all I need now is the beehive to reopen

Im all for standing up for the NHS and doctors being well paid. Im also supportive of peoples right to strike and stand up for workers rights. However, from what ive read of the changes in the contract that are being proposed, they are not the kind of thing to strike about. Increased general but less overtime pay and a few extra weekend shifts. Most stay on the same wage or get a small increase. Maybe someone could enlighten me as to why that's so bad?

'The facts are we have an aging population, living longer with more treatments available to extend lives. Like it or not, that all costs money. Add onto that, you have a 1/3 reduction in the social budget of councils. That slack is taken up by hospitals. GPS unable to cope, taken up by hospitals'.


What a great comment by Armo. Yes, it all costs money, more than our country can afford TBH. That one sentence explains explicitly why our government is taking the steps it is. Good on yer Armo!