TOPIC: LFC Season Ticket Rise

Should just get a Stadium sponsor and chop the prices, another huge breaking point between fans and owners in English Football.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/artic...match-ticket-77.html

Typical robbing scousers













only joking

£20 max premier league and championship. £15 league one and two. Always half price those under 18 and pensioners. £1 anyone under 8.

Sort of prices do you pay in Bundesliga?

Actually around 20-40 euros when standing was full, standing generally around 16 euros.

Preferred 2nd and 3rd liga as could always stand - usually around 15 but as low as 8 in 3rd liga.

They are heading to being like the Premier League now over there, big difference at some places between standing and seated prices and the away end more and more are really taking the piss, stuff like 17 euro standing 45 euro sitting etc... Obviously the standing ones soon go.

Premier league ain't alone in being a pisstake, anyone who has been Spain watch any match of a high standard will know this like.

No issue with clubs taking piss on merchandise etc, maybe not on kits but ticket prices never - this is the big problem. If clubs have to get their stadium sponsored at least they could use some of the cash to keep prices low. All greed, no meeting halfway at all at most Clubs in England now, at least some have started covering away prices to a % when fans are ripped off but still miles away from what is really needed.

I agree it's a bit of a shan paying 30 bar or more for a seat at a Premier League game on top of all that petrol money from West Cumbria as well.

77th min walkout planned for Sat...

www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/04...ces?CMP=share_btn_tw

Sunderland plan on doing one once Liverpool go two goals ahead, will still say they are the best supporters in the premier league!

Wazza wrote: Is it not just market forces though? As long as someone is willing to pay the ticket prices, can you really blame the clubs? Would you sell your house for £150k if someone was willing to give you £200k? Unfortunately the game is moving away from its working class roots.

You are right like, they are all a business now - people within clubs around Europe have been doing it for years as well by selling tickets via online outlets for a higher price, very easy to when you are a club that appeals to tourists and day trippers etc. what has happened in last five years is that clubs in England have realised they can do this in a kosher manner and just upped the prices, don't care who enters the ground as long as they pay the cash, from a business point of view the less season ticket holders the better really - they want people coming once a season and buying all the merchandise etc, In the same way people go over board on spending on their yearly holiday.

Personally I see the only way of stopping that type of fan taking over clubs is self policing and vigilance to a degree, some round the continent won't let that type get in like - likely to get a hiding at some places, not condoning it at all but seems to be the only way that locals get to keep segments of their stadium as their own.

Accrington Stanley have just released their (early buy - before May) 16/17 season ticket prices. £199 for adults, that's less than £9 a game, even if they get promoted to League 1.

cufcdeano wrote: That's roughly £50 a game for each match they actually manage to play at home.

cufcdeano wrote:
Then they get slagged off for not having a flash website!

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/artic...tie-Midtjylland.html

Could give all these to some kind of local good cause.

cufcdeano wrote:
Im sure Accrington let fans in free for a match a few seasons ago and they still only got 3,000!

The real problem is wages!!

shaldon1 wrote:
True to a degree like, that and people are happy to pay these prices and more and more people in England class a Club they have absolutely no link to as their own. The development of Asia and the USA as fans of Football ain't helped mind!

Some bloke in the comments section blaming the clubs at the bottom getting £££££ from TV thus meaning they dont get a bye most weeks so theyre worn out for the champions league games.

Arsene Wenger: Arsenal boss says clubs need TV cash for players - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35502898

No reduction on tickets and look at them players going China !

Seen a couple of pics of folk walking out, what kind of percentage was it?

Decent read here - www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/pre...-again-a6858106.html

CCU wrote:
Estimated 10k on radio. Sunderland fan on 606 reckons they may stay up if all the other clubs they play follow suit.

So you think because fans pay the price....they are happy to pay the price ?

What would your suggestion be ?
Don't go or support someone else ?

At the game last week against Everton, there were loads of people saying how awful it was and this is why they don't come etc.
Loads of people support Premier League clubs from all over the place, not just in England, but also from all over the world.
It does seem a shame that ordinary locals are priced out of going to games, but their clubs have turned into a franchise and if they don't like it there is not a lot they can do about it.
I noted how empty Manchester Ciry's ground was for the last 15 minutes today, but I expect they'll be back.
If everyone supported their local team, including Carlisle and Accrington, then the supply and demand would be different, but admittedly the game today probably wouldn't entice your average Man United or Liverpool fan to rush back.

The problem is the wage structure in clubs coupled with Health and Safety regulation.Just look at the Police bill for one match at BP. What could change things a little would be UK voting to come out of Europe. However, I do not think that will happen because the people will be brainwashed with TV as usual to stay in.The way forward is to persuade the Football league and TV that lower division clubs have to have more of the apple which can be done without a problem. Just imagine if the highest paid players and managers had a cap on their earnings.

There's something refreshing about seeing a ball get kicked around a field by some half decent footballers who don't plead and beg for free kicks and penalties all the time.

All the Premier League football on TV is what's corrupt the game in England. If I could only watch Carlisle at BP or just highlights at 10pm I'd definitely get down to the ground to watch.

It's a shame prices can get stupidly high, but at the same time it doesn't stop me paying it week in week out. If majority of people want to go that badly, they'll make it happen one way or another.

Accrington want to charge the regulars a couple of quid more and try to get a pitch that doesn't resemble the pools main pool.

Don't think Carlisle is badly priced in the grand scheme of things...it's those owners of ours that put me off paying to go.

****s!

I don't really care how much Liverpool charge their fans... If they don't think it's value for money then they don't have to pay for over priced tickets. If the stadium is half empty then the owners will have to lower prices... That's the way it works. It's a business at the end of the day and not a charity.

Northumbrian wrote:
Oh yeah that's exactly how it works. That's why tickets are getting cheaper year on year at Brunton isn't it? Not full, so down come the prices.....

I think it is inevitable that football will see more variable pricing with charging more for 'attractive' games. Even our away game at Barnet saw a 50% discount introduced to try and persuade more fans to come. The real stumbling block to more discounts is the attitude of season-ticket holders and the balance between having a regular seat or place in the Paddock and tolerating probably more frequent discounting. Maybe if certain games like Hartlepool were designated as 'premium' with tickets costing an extra couple of quid on the back of increased police costs, season ticket holders may be more amenable to variable pricing. It's the sort of thing that the club should consult with the fans about to maximise attendances and revenues.

Hotels are now following the budget airlines model of charging according to demand. Reading some of the comments on Tripadvisor for how much hotels on Tyneside charged when the Rugby World Cup was on made Al Capone seem like a novice in extortion and racketeering.

deeksme wrote: I was really talking about top level events where the owners know what they are doing Deeks. Liverpool are a business and will charge what they think people will pay for that offering... It should also be pointed out that Liverpool do lots of discounted tickets aimed at certain struggling sections of the local population. We are talking about a small amount of tickets that have been priced quite high. But until Corbyn wins the election and turns the UK into a communist utopia there will always be ticket pricing that is beyond some peoples reach.

carwash wrote:
I detest Category pricing, on the basis your going to watch your team, not who we happen to be playing. Sadly it's fairly standard in the higher divisions.

Agree on Hotels too! Used to be a Mon to Thurs rate and a Weekend rate, and that was it. One for business, one for leisure. Nowadays it's supply and demand. The Ibis on Botchergate has a digital display outside with rates on, never seen the same figure twice! Big cities are getting terrible with what they can charge, London is astronomical these days for a 1/2 night stay, even traditional 'cheaper' places like Travelodges and Ibis are well into three figures for one night! Hard work finding a value deal these days...

If they say at the start of the season we will have four (or whatever) games at reduced pricing during the season therefore your season ticket saves you x pounds everyone would be happy.

At the moment season ticket holders do not get the advertised discount which is calculated as if every game is full price.

Northumbrian wrote:
A small number are priced "quite high"? Anything over 30 quid for football is high IMO.
Liverpool v Sunderland is not a "top level event" by the way!

deeksme wrote: Yep quite high compared to other similar teams... The average ticket price at Liverpool is still easily inline with other PL clubs.

Personally I wouldn't pay £60 or £70 to watch a PL match ... But that's not really the point is it. You can't really criticise a club for bringing its ticket prices in line with other similar teams. The game has changed at the top level... It is a business... If their fans don't like it they don't have to buy a ticket.

www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/07...rland-premier-league

Rethink taking place by Owners.

Northumbrian - what is the most you would pay to watch Carlisle in a League two match?

Most I've heard of was Hartlepool at £25, as that's what they charged their own due to those cheap Season Tickets deals they did. They made it expensive for pay on day to encourage folk to buy up for the season. League rule was Away fans pay same as Home, so ended up £25 for that scabby end...

Was meaning how high would he go till he stopped going really.

Ticket prices would reflect true market value if companies like StubHub were allowed more freedom within Football in the UK.

The problem is the football authorities don't want that. True market value is a nightmare when there's thousands of mugs in the UK willing to subsidise those who eat at the top table week in week out.

You are right there to an extent like but it's surprising how many people use viagogo etc to buy tickets for matches abroad that aren't sold out and are easily obtainable directly from the Club.

Man U tickets are always going on Twitter this season - often for under face value.

Wonder how many of the fans who walked out will criticise the football club for not spending enough money on the team.

Really tricky issue this as normal market rules don't apply. Liverpool fans aren't going to go to Everton one week because they've got a 2 for 1 offer on the pies.

Clubs have a captive market, and if you don't want your season ticket anymore one of the 1000s on the waiting list will take your place. All this against a backdrop of partially empty stadiums because people buy the tickets then don't turn up.
www.football365.com/news/enough-is-enough-youre-damn-right

See the problem I think with that "twentys plenty" campaign for away tickets in the Premier League is that you'll have situations where home fans go in the away end because it is cheaper.

All in all it's a real mess but as long as there are people happy to pay the prices it won't end. The one positive I suppose is that people not happy to pay the prices drift to non league football more and these Clubs have a better chance of survival/progression.

You have to wonder how much money some of these Footballers need like, it's bloody crackers many of the sums - think more and more are feeling embarrassed by it as more seem to be giving cash away in some situations, problem is you will always have people questioning them as it enhances their profile and in turn their wealth - can be hard to tell who is genuine and not in some cases.

There's the issue that Premier League clubs are not reliant on gate receipts, TV revenue is their main income stream, whereas the rest of the football league really need to maximise revenue through this. Should Premier League tickets be cheaper than the Championship and leagues 1 & 2?

CheadleBlue wrote:
As football in the UK is now a business, those without previous ties to any particular club will go where the best value for entertainment is available. This is what the clubs themselves want as tribalism is a major problem for them, except when it comes to catchy slogans to sell season tickets to mugs.

Liverpool not better off just building a new Stadium to house more folk really? Still think it would be better if every Premier League match was live via Sky and moving kick off times for League 1 and 2 to 1pm would see more people attending in those Leagues.

Always an interesting debate this isn't it? How many grounds sell out every week? Are those grounds actually charging the right price because the demand to be there outstrips the supply of tickets? If that is the case, either the demand isn't there for everybody else, or the price is too high, otherwise every ground would be full every week. But then again, the other things involve fan loyalty and the desire to "support" a successful team. There are some of the very top clubs who could fill their stadium up 3 or 4 times over for each game, and with people who have absolutely no connection to that club, why is that?

It wasn't the case, necessarily when I was a kid, perhaps a couple of clubs (Liverpool and Man Utd), but there was no such thing on Cleator Moor as a Chelsea fan, or an Arsenal fan, since the introduction of the Premier League, and those clubs actually winning things there are those (armchair) fans now. Is it all about reflected glory? Is it about competition with mates? I don't know, it strikes me as a little odd, there are people I've known since I was a kid, who have "supported" 5 or 6 teams in their lives, and who will tell you their current team is the only one they've ever really "supported".

What has happened since the creation of the premier league, in my opinion, is that the smaller clubs are an inconvenience, and are being pushed as far aside as is possible, what with limited coverage and limited cash, and the massive money generating machine of those elite teams goes on. But can it last forever? I keep thinking the next big Sky/BT deal will be the last, but it hasn't been yet. When it does happen though, big clubs are dead, and only well run smaller clubs might be there to save the game (or so I dream).

CheadleBlue wrote:
The thing is the new ticket structure will apparently only bring the club an extra £2m a year... in the top flight ticket sales are a tiny slither of the income.

I don't really blame the Premier League for all that to be honest - technology has meant you can watch so much more live, Football in England was always going to be the first one to be seen more on tv as a result, it's the number of matches that are shifted for tv that I see as an issue. You can watch so many Sports now like if overnight no Sport was able to be shown live (or it went back to the amount that was live prior to Sky) on tv or the internet there would be a hell of a lot of bored people.

See in the 80s when England played in Australia in the Ashes or the Lions Toured there would that have been shown live on bbc?

Wazza wrote:
All Premier League games are live on TV in the USA as part of a regular sports cable / satellite package ... why not UK ? Do they really think the gravy train will derail if all Premier League games are live on TV ? ...

Hopefully we never end up like this mind:

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/artic...ling-away-games.html

Bigger Country etc but when they shifted the kick off times to assist Sky England it was a real poor do. Soome crazy prices at certain Clubs when the big boys come to town, nothing as daft as seeing Getafe v Real Madrid half empty and tickets priced at 80 euro.