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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 17:38 #1

johnh007 Online Ball Boy Posts: 2	Yet again undisclosed,even when they had the upper hand as they wanted to buy him.it should of been in the deal,you buy we disclose fee to our supporters
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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 17:44 #2

DeckchairBlue Offline Ball Boy Posts: 13 Likes received: 2	Why would we want other clubs knowing how much money we have to spend ? The majority of transfers nowadays are undisclosed for exactly that reason .
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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 17:45 #3

beefsister Online Ball Boy Posts: 12 Likes received: 3	Just to put it in context. Dempsey sold for £300-350k. Wages Billy Paynter would have been paid over 2 years - £208k basic, probably pushing £225k + add-ons.
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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 17:46 #4

daviejones Offline Ball Boy Posts: 76 Likes received: 18	I don't care about the undisclosed fee, I care that underneath that is probably a sum of money which represents a fraction of what Dempsey is worth.
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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 17:48 #5

pigeonpete Offline Ball Boy Posts: 32 Likes received: 9	I care about us BUILDING a team up not SELLING one on the cheap. I am so angry
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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 17:51 #6

seesaw50 Offline Ball Boy Posts: 58 Likes received: 10	more bloody secrets - am ready to say am not going back after 55 years am afraid of mindblowing seesaw ing
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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 17:57 #7

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I would imagine this will be it for a fair few fans now, and who can blame them seeing as we've just flogged our only exciting player from last season. I just wish they could say if there was a sell-on clause or not as it would probably settle a lot of people if we were told there is one. Supposedly the release clause was that Dempsey could speak to other clubs about a move if anyone bid £300k, so could we then still try to negotiate other clauses into the contract?

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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 18:02 #8

Jalson Offline Ball Boy Posts: 4	This is what happens when a club is ran in the wrong way. The downward spiral continues. If the billionaire story were true Utd wouldn't be trialling out of contract players and selling their prize asset. Dempsey will without a doubt be a £1m player by the end of the season. Bargain for Huddersfield. The Lapping deal should be concluding about now...
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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 18:17 #9

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Nothing unusual about a club having to sell a young prospect, weather it's run by muppets or not. In the past they have done good business selling players. Dempsey probably would only sign his last contract with us if it had the minimum release claus in it, knowing he would eventually get his move but keep everyone happy at same time.
I'd be very surprised if we don't get significant add ons and a percentage of a future move if indeed he turns out to be a top player.

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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 18:23 #10

thebadger Offline Ball Boy Posts: 61 Likes received: 32	huddersfieldcock wrote: Nothing unusual about a club having to sell a young prospect,. But we didn't HAVE to sell him. There's a billionaire out there willing to pump millions into the club. Clubs like ours, about to get huge cash injections from wealthy foreign owners dont have to sell anyone. Do they?
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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 18:27 #11

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huddersfieldcock wrote:

Nothing unusual about a club having to sell a young prospect, weather it's run by muppets or not. In the past they have done good business selling players. Dempsey probably would only sign his last contract with us if it had the minimum release claus in it, knowing he would eventually get his move but keep everyone happy at same time.
I'd be very surprised if we don't get significant add ons and a percentage of a future move if indeed he turns out to be a top player.

I'd also be very surprised if a club's owners faked investment from a billionaire, and yet here we are!

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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 18:27 #12

RagingBlue Online Ball Boy Posts: 32 Likes received: 10	We did have to sell him as he had a buy out clause in his contract. Only way he could stay was if he chose to. I'm just praying we have a sell on clause in the deal.
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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 18:33 #13

Oldhamblue Offline Ball Boy Posts: 20 Likes received: 4	But surely knowing a billionaire is waiting in the wings to pump money in would make anyone stay.........oh yeah........
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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 18:33 #14

huddersfieldcock Online Ball Boy Posts: 21 Likes received: 13	Can't believe people are saying he didn't want to leave! If that was the case he'd still be here and the release clause he insisted on for the last contract he signed would have been considerably higher.
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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 18:42 #15

thebadger Offline Ball Boy Posts: 61 Likes received: 32	huddersfieldcock wrote: Can't believe people are saying he didn't want to leave! If that was the case he'd still be here and the release clause he insisted on for the last contract he signed would have been considerably higher. I can't believe there's a cock defending Nixon. But, takes all sorts. Is it warm in his pocket?
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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 18:45 #16

melbourneblues Online Ball Boy Posts: 37 Likes received: 41	Just what we've been missing, another Kyle Dempsey thread.
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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 18:50 #17

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thebadger wrote:

huddersfieldcock wrote:

Can't believe people are saying he didn't want to leave! If that was the case he'd still be here and the release clause he insisted on for the last contract he signed would have been considerably higher.

I can't believe there's a cock defending Nixon. But, takes all sorts. Is it warm in his pocket?

How the F is that post in any way defending Nixon?

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Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 18:57 #18

huddersfieldcock Online Ball Boy Posts: 21 Likes received: 13	Not defending Nixon just spelling it out. Some people are too blinkered or thick
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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 19:03 #19

cufcdeano Offline Administrator Posts: 253 Likes received: 85	Keep it civilised please, emotions clearly running high this evening but I'd rather not spend it removing posts.
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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 21:05 #20

Moorlad Offline Ball Boy Posts: 210 Likes received: 99	I'd must like to know if there is anyone on here shocked the fee is undisclosed. I'd also be interested to know if anybody actually believes it is undisclosed in case some other club tries to increase a players value on us. Surely nobody here is anywhere near that thick.
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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 21:08 #21

RonBacardi Offline Ball Boy Posts: 9 Likes received: 3	Will it be disclosed in the accounts next year? Also, wonder what wage he'll be on? How much is a newby championship likely to be getting good luck Kyle.
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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 21:41 #22

ROOSTER Offline Ball Boy Posts: 3 Likes received: 1	Will never make a million,at his level now.....
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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 23:11 #23

GingerBalls Offline Ball Boy Posts: 2	Has to be over 300k, we knocked back Barnsley earlier this week. Presuming they bid 300k and Huddersfield have come in higher. This undisclosed Pap is doing the board no favours, most are thinking it's only 300k but if it is 450k and they disclosed that, they would come out with some credit for a change.
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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 23:18 #24

Wukkie Offline Ball Boy Posts: 93 Likes received: 40	Even if the fee was disclosed it isn't as if we'll be spending it on players anyway.
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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 23:22 #25

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Wukkie wrote:

Even if the fee was disclosed it isn't as if we'll be spending it on players anyway.

Maybe not the Dempsey transfer money, but don't forget there's a 6-figure fee from Potts compo that will be spent on the team:
www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlisle-united/la...e-utd-team-1.1220499

“There is no major infrastructure investment planned at Brunton Park in the next 12 months, so it is likely that all funds from the sale of Brad will end up being spent on the playing operation.

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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 10 Jul 2025 23:52 #26

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cufcdeano wrote:

Wukkie wrote:

Even if the fee was disclosed it isn't as if we'll be spending it on players anyway.

Maybe not the Dempsey transfer money, but don't forget there's a 6-figure fee from Potts compo that will be spent on the team:
www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlisle-united/la...e-utd-team-1.1220499

“There is no major infrastructure investment planned at Brunton Park in the next 12 months, so it is likely that all funds from the sale of Brad will end up being spent on the playing operation.

Doesn't fill me with confidence........

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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 11 Jul 2025 11:41 #27

BelleVueBoy Offline Ball Boy Posts: 14 Likes received: 13	Key issue Have we got more as a consequence of last seasons new contract with release clause than we would got had it gone to a tribunal? My guess is we would have got £500,000 plus 50% sell on at a tribunal. Think our glorious leaders have beaten that?
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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 11 Jul 2025 12:47 #28

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cufcdeano wrote:

Wukkie wrote:

Even if the fee was disclosed it isn't as if we'll be spending it on players anyway.

Maybe not the Dempsey transfer money, but don't forget there's a 6-figure fee from Potts compo that will be spent on the team:
www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlisle-united/la...e-utd-team-1.1220499

“There is no major infrastructure investment planned at Brunton Park in the next 12 months, so it is likely that all funds from the sale of Brad will end up being spent on the playing operation.

You seriously believe that a single penny of either fee will go on players?

Next you'll be telling us the trust is going to change. Or there's a billionaire wanting to invest in the club.

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Dempsey.undisclosed 11 Jul 2025 12:55 #29

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huddersfieldcock wrote:

be prepared to be 'very surprised'.

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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 11 Jul 2025 12:55 #30

Wukkie Offline Ball Boy Posts: 93 Likes received: 40	In the official statement on the OS there has not been one mention that I've seen pertaining that there is any add-ons to the deal which basically means a flat 300k was enough to take away the best prospect the club has had in years.
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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 11 Jul 2025 13:01 #31

mojo Offline Ball Boy Posts: 65 Likes received: 21	BelleVueBoy wrote: Key issue Have we got more as a consequence of last seasons new contract with release clause than we would got had it gone to a tribunal? My guess is we would have got £500,000 plus 50% sell on at a tribunal. Think our glorious leaders have beaten that? absolutely not. 60% of that figure with 0% sell on.
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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 11 Jul 2025 14:06 #32

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mojo wrote:

BelleVueBoy wrote:

Key issue
Have we got more as a consequence of last seasons new contract with release clause than we would got had it gone to a tribunal?
My guess is we would have got £500,000 plus 50% sell on at a tribunal. Think our glorious leaders have beaten that?

absolutely not. 60% of that figure with 0% sell on.

Think this is key comparator
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30632655
Any decent advocate would get less than a third of that compensated by decent sell on.
My gut feeling is that I'd rather have gone to tribunal than trust our lot to do have decent job.

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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 11 Jul 2025 23:05 #33

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Moorlad wrote:

cufcdeano wrote:

Wukkie wrote:

Even if the fee was disclosed it isn't as if we'll be spending it on players anyway.

Maybe not the Dempsey transfer money, but don't forget there's a 6-figure fee from Potts compo that will be spent on the team:
www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlisle-united/la...e-utd-team-1.1220499

“There is no major infrastructure investment planned at Brunton Park in the next 12 months, so it is likely that all funds from the sale of Brad will end up being spent on the playing operation.

You seriously believe that a single penny of either fee will go on players?

Next you'll be telling us the trust is going to change. Or there's a billionaire wanting to invest in the club.

That was my attempt at sarcasm Moorlad. Clearly not a very good one

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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 11 Jul 2025 23:12 #34

Bluesmad Offline Ball Boy Posts: 36 Likes received: 9	How much before the nigerian billionaire pulls out and the fat cats leave with a cool £500k+..... One last payday? They didn't exactly negotiate in CUFC's best inteests.... Mind my sons more of a businessman! At keast he has two brain cells to knock together
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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 11 Jul 2025 23:54 #35

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Bluesmad wrote:

How much before the nigerian billionaire pulls out and the fat cats leave with a cool £500k+..... One last payday? They didn't exactly negotiate in CUFC's best inteests.... Mind my sons more of a businessman! At keast he has two brain cells to knock together

Tend to agree, take some money off Jenkins the loan then go back to the drawing board for investment, I bet Fred would be fuming as he was first in line for pay back before he wrote his loan off!

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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 12 Jul 2025 07:11 #36

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BelleVueBoy wrote:

mojo wrote:

BelleVueBoy wrote:

absolutely not. 60% of that figure with 0% sell on.

The big difference to a tribunal would be 1, u20 int and 2, a prem club doing the bidding, both of these things would markedly increase his tribunal value.

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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 12 Jul 2025 09:10 #37

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Since it seems we have done quite well in getting the płaying side put together for£0 I'd rather invest this moneyin given Andrew Jenkins his loan money back, Nixon his £1 back and getting the pair of them out of the club and allow Andrew Lapping and his investors to come in with a clean slate and balance sheet and build CUFC as a business.
Not sure it's possible and probably complicated but while we're at it can we looking at getting rid of CUFC holdings and just having Carlisle United Football Club with AL & Co havin x amount of shares and the Trust having x amount of shares.

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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 12 Jul 2025 10:52 #38

BelleVueBoy Offline Ball Boy Posts: 14 Likes received: 13	By £1.3m? U20 football not really recognised anyway.. I'm sure we would have got at least a third of Grimes with sell on at Tribunal and would have been confident in getting more.
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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 12 Jul 2025 11:09 #39

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mattcufc wrote:

Problem is cash flow.
After the Lapping deal was aborted then in my view to continue to fund the club it was either continue to borrow more money from Bank of Andrew Jenkins or sell Dempsey.
Also someone needs to sign off the end June 15 accounts on going concern basis..
In short this money will be needed to run club as is, not repay AJ. Especially given the extent of antipathy and mistrust between most of fan base and Club which will hit revenues.
Reiterates if needed the folly of turning down the Lapping £1.25m, all going into the Club.
Maybe if the Lapping deal is definitely off then AJ needs to follow Fred's lead and write off his loans? Suspect he will have to at some point as club is worth diddly squat as is....

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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed 12 Jul 2025 16:33 #40

Wukkie Offline Ball Boy Posts: 93 Likes received: 40	One small problem, neither of them want to shift anywhere.
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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed Yesterday 11:23 #41

thegaffa Offline Ball Boy Posts: 3	Surely there must be a sell-on clause otherwise we would have just let his contract run out and ask a tribunal to include a sell-on, rather than give him a nice new contract with a 300k release clause and nothing else to benefit the club.
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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed Yesterday 11:39 #42

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To put things into perspective,we have just sold our best asset for about the same has Roomey earns a week , I just hope we have very good sell on clauses.With Dempsey and Potts gone we have only Gilespie and maybe Brough left with any sort of value.Just can't stop thinking that we have missed something here , If we had the investment from Lapping we could have kept hold of our assets for a little longer .

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Re:Dempsey.undisclosed Yesterday 12:57 #43

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seabird wrote:

If we had the investment from Lapping we could have kept hold of our assets for a little longer .

I don't think that is entirely the case. Potts was going for certain anyway. I think Dempsey would most likely have gone too, I believe (from what I have heard locally) that he was willing to stay, but the wage increase and the opportunity to test himself 2 leagues higher up the league must have been a huge temptation. Even with the Lapping money (which was never to be blown on players anyway) we could not have hoped to keep him.

Anyway why would we, as a club, want to stand in the way of the development of the best player we've produced for nearly 20 years?

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