TOPIC: Player rating V's Wycombe

Gillespie - 6 great penalty save but his kicking was very poor at times.

Miller - 6 did OK defended well.
Raynes 6 - solid enough, done well to get a few shots in too.
Ellis 6 -.usual solid display.
Grainger 6 - put some good crosses in, needs to stop hoofing it up so much tho.

Atkinson 6 - decent battling display
Joyce 7 - best he has played for a while, got stuck in and didn't give the ball away as much as late.
Gilliead 6 - looked dangerous at times and he's getting stuck in which is good to see.
Kennedy 6 - usual display, just lacks a bit of pace.
Hope 6 - he had chances(not so many clear cut ones) and was good running at defenders. Striker might be a better position for him.


Wyke 7 - good target man display just needed someone up with him.

Sub's -

Jabo 4 - didn't look interested.
Asamoah 5 - did OK.
Smith 5 - some nice passing.

I thought we improved after a slow start. With a bit more look in front of goal we would of won.

Gillespie 7
Miller 7
Raynes 6
Ellis 5
Grainger 6
Gilliead 5
Joyce 7
Atkinson 7
Kennedy 7
Hope 6
Wyke 8*

Mush we all have different views but I just can't see how anyone could say Gilliead got stuck in.

Think he made one tackle in the first half, and bottled out of every other one.

I must have gone to the loo when he made that tackle.

Gillespie 6 - Excellent save from the penalty - kicking needs to improve - still holds on to the ball for too long, although he did get rid quick on a couple of occasions.
Miller 6 - Too slow to get back when he went up field 1st half, leaving a massive gap at the right back position.
Raynes 6 - Steady away and a good couple of shots that were on target but blocked.
Ellis 5 - Seems to be going backwards after some good displays
Grainger 6 - Decent effort & some excellent crosses
Gilliead 5 - Got stuck in a few times early on but faded in second half
Joyce 6 - Better than of late
Atkinson 7 - Done well and a couple of good passes
Kennedy 6 - Needs to get back to the Kennedy of last season, or was he made to look good in a poor side
Hope 6 - Can run forever and his ball control is good, just needs that final ball to find his man or the net
Wyke 8 - Always troubled their defence with some good touches and a goal to boot.

Asamoah 5 - Good control but too greedy - needs to pass when players are better placed rather than run into trouble
Smith 5 - Only touched the ball a few times but couple of decent touches
Ibehre 4 - On too late to make any compact

walwynlegend wrote:
Had he got stuck in at the right time, they wouldn't have scored! He stood off the man who put the cross in iirc.

Bruntonpasty wrote:
I disagree. He went in for the tackle and got skinned, allowing Jacobsen to pick out the cross. I think in this case he would have actually been better standing off and either showing him down the outside or actually waiting to block the cross.

Gillespie 7 - Made a good couple of saves including penalty
Miller 7 - Impressed yesterday
Ellis - 6 - he makes the odd error but also a lot of crucial tackles
Raynes - 6
Grainger - 6 - has been a bit subdued since his return
Atkinson - 6
Gilliead - 5 - had a few moments in the first half but he needs to work much harder for the team and get stuck in
Joyce - 6 - not his biggest fan but thought he did OK.
Kennedy - 5 - his lack of mobility costs us at times
Wyke - 7
Hope - 6 - a lively display but some of his misses were criminal

crunchblue wrote:
We'll have to agree to disagree then, For me he never even tried to get close enough. We have to accept that he's young and not yet prepared to be physical enough.

walwynlegend wrote:
Compared to when he didn't even try to tackle in games I should of put.

thetashkentterror wrote:
One more than in other matches!

Miller and Wyke were the best of our bunch today. thought Kennedy and Joyce were better due to a 5 man midfield, 2 man midfield with 2 wingers is a hard challenge for anyone.

Gilliead and hope very frustrating and lightweight. Hopefully Pedro will bring a spark to the side

I these ratings are a bit generous. In terms of overall play I'd give Hope MOM but his misses kind of takes that away from him and I'm struggling for anyone else.

Bruntonpasty wrote:
To me that was a prime example of him avoiding physical contact. He rushed to block the ball not tackle, their player read it let him fly past then crossed for the goal. He should either block or tackle but leave himself in position to defend afterwards.
It's not just defensive work either he is constantly shying away from 50/50 balls played forward around him.

What about the 3 spare parts watching the cross coming in? Surely as much to blame as Gilliead?

Yes they were to blame too and all players have different strengths and weaknesses I suppose Gilliead's just annoys me more because he's got a lot of ability but I see shying away from challenges as a weakness you can easily improve but he isn't.

Gillespie 6 - Stone wall penalty, not sure how some in the Paddock could shout "cheat" at the lad. Good save though. Didn't look to be quite giving 1005 with his kicking.
Miller 6 - Too cautious going forward, lack of confidence perhaps.
Raynes 5 - Steady away but marking for the goal (all of our defence) was disgraceful, have to look at both centre halves for this.
Ellis 6 - As above, solid otherwise however. Only Ellis on the pitch would've gone for the tackle with Bean.
Grainger 6 - Some good deliveries, made a big difference having strength there.
Gilliead 4 - Very poor, no desire to get to the ball first, backing out of challenges. Can't justify his place in the team.
Joyce 6 - Ok, good play out wide to create our goal and a few good tackles.
Atkinson 7 - Solid performance, calm on the ball and good distribution.
Kennedy 6 - Struggled to get in the game at times.
Hope 6 - Works hard, can beat a man but his finishing is very poor.
Wyke 8* - Worked tirelessly, nice finish to get his deserved goal.

Asamoah 5 - Sparks of magic but too greedy for me.
Smith 5 - Looked tidy in parts, couple of nice knocks but can't judge on that amount of time.
Ibehre 4 - Not enough time to judge really.

Why do people keep saying Jabo doesn't look interested?

Surely if someone wasn't interested they wouldn't challenge for headers or even bother chasing anything.

crunchblue wrote:
because Carlisle fans turn on players so fast,they probably dont think that he's just returned from a knock and he hasn't had an easy time of late with family issues, but the same fans love it when a player runs around like a headless chicken, making the occasional hard tackle but because of this they are out of position leaving gaps to run into.

walwynlegend wrote: No doubt valid points but maybe we should try supplying him with some passes that don't necessitate him winning a 50/50 to get good possession.

carlisleunited wrote:
Nope. His crap season this season is more down to his midfield partner.

Last season Dempsey, this season Joyce

chopper wrote:
If you wanted to be really pedantic you could say that Kyle Dempsey in midfield resulted in a near relegation where as Luke Joyce in midfield meant we finished (hopefully) top half.

Could be another thread, this. What else is Joyce responsible for?

1. Lack of billionaire

STH wrote:
Luke Joyce seems to the the centre of criticism far too often. Similar to how Thirlwell and also Lumsdon were before some ate their words - the latter now a cult hero but I remember plenty criticism from the stands before he turned opinions. He does the dirty work and often goes unnoticed. Perhaps some should should stop chanting Jabo's name whenever he so much as farts on the bench and instead appreciate his work to break up play in the middle and to allow our forward players to play with freedom should they have the confidence too - which is a different matter.

My only disappointment was how he failed to step up to the challenge, like the whole team, vs. Northampton, playing against a team in the same league and backing off them like they were Barcelona was embarrassing.

He has bad games like every player, but he puts in an honest shift every week and doesn't deserve to be burdened with the blame for the form we're in at the minute.

STH wrote:

Can you please tell me where I've blamed Joyce for this seasons failings (seeing as I've obviously slated him as above?) Kennedy obviously plays better with an attacking midfielder alongside him, as his performances last season compared to this season have shown. Are you saying that Joyce is an attacking midfielder?

KD was the reason we stayed up last season, not the reason we were in a relegation battle. How many of our goals was he involved in?
wetheriggscufc wrote:
No, he doesn't deserve to get all the blame for the form we are in. But quit with the 'unseen work' malarkey. How many times when we are attacking in the opposition half does he decide to pass the ball backwards? People say that he's improved as a player since his first spell here. In my eyes he's the same player, which for 7 years development as a midfielder away from the club, I'd expect him to have improved an awful lot

Luke Joyce suffers from the fate of playing in a "mostly" average team, he's a decent player, can be very good, but he simply doesn't have the luxury of being in a side with 2 or 3 outstanding players.

Look at Steve Soley and the crap sides he played in at Brunton Park, being only one example of that.