TOPIC: 6 Loanees in Squad - Only 5 allowed in a Match

So that's 6 Loanees now - Gilliead, Gillhespey, Hope, Comley, Smith and Stacey.

Best make sure we remember the following - "A maximum of 5 Loan Players (Standard, International, Youth or Emergency) can be named in the Players listed on a team sheet for any individual match played under the auspices of the Football League"

Covered over Easter as Gilliead away on International Duty, but after that we'll have to remember that one will always have to miss out!

Gillesphey to miss out.

We've got Brough and McQueen who can fill in the sub LB position.

It's all turning a bit Greg Abbott, 26 fit professionals in the squad now, 27 if Pedro signs. Eight or nine sat in the stand every game.

Stupid this is..remember how it was 2 years ago..loan players who were not up for the fight. 1 or 2 in a team,yes but too many.. No excuses as the coin earned from various transfers and cup runs has not been injected into bolstering a push for play offs and promotion.

The whole thing has gone backwards..3 wins in 18 is shocking ...and unnacceptable

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markredfox73 wrote:
Would you not say hes trying to do something about the 3 wins in 18 rahter than sign no one and let the slide continue?

Ive heard that before.. he should have bolstered in january

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Dykes and Curle talk a lot about getting the right characters in, unlike previous seasons.

That's maybe why it's taken so long, Mark. They probably don't want us to sign any old shit that as you say "aren't up for the fight". You cannot say that about Comley can you? Don't tarnish these lads as not up for the fight until you've actually seen them play.

I was referring to 2 years ago when all these loan players were not up for the fight.. but even the loan players we have now have not improved results..

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Just keep an eye on.the record over time now and its borderline calling for his head if this continues .Talking a good game isnt the same as the actually game on the pitch.. A lot will start to turn if things do not improve.His biggest error this season was letting Dicker leave .Although opinion is divided he was a good part of the midfield creativity.

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What a negative bunch. you'll get your wish next season when there is no loan window.

markredfox73 wrote:
I agree with you he should have. But seeing as he didnt and the fact he let Dicker go would you prefer he stuck with what he had or sign someone on loan?. People have been crying out for weeks that we need a winger. We sign one and suddenly weve got too many loanees who may not be up for the fight.

We've used less players this season than a lot of teams in our league. Last time I checked there were at least 15 teams who had used more.

Loan players are only here short term then back to there parant club,Do they give there all, I doubt it hence I don't think loan players is the answer....

These loan players are going to be watched by their parent teams. I refuse to believe that they won't give a shit on the field. Of course they're going to give their all. It just so happens we've had a lot of clart loan signings over the years.

pensionerblue wrote:
What is the answer then apart from get a time machine and go back to january?

The answer is he is clutching at straws now he is desperate fetching in too many and expecting them.to gel.. ..its hit and hope now.
Still you know that tin pot club accrington have not fallen behind after playing their games in hand following several postponments infact improved their position...explain that?? .they may have a bell end of a manager but he must be doing something correct.

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Dont see what Accrington have got to do with anything. Leicester are still top of division 1, thats irrelevant as well.

They kicked on...we didnt and we certainly had more opportunity financially than they do to have made signings in the window. Bottom line is its down to poor management .

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I agree with pensioner blue some loanees are OK but you can't build a team round them. To go forward we need our own players, one to get commitment from them and secondly if you get your own players and they are the quality that KC wants then they may become saleable assets. Loanees can only every be a short term answer.

pacirv wrote:
I agree as well, we should have strengthened in january but didnt. We need a left winger, weve needed one all season and id rather we signed one on loan now than not bother at all. Hopefully hes a good player.

Some of those loanees may be here with a view to permanent transfers for next season. If Curle didn't do anything our season was over so rolling the dice can only be good. Kavanagh was equally crap with our players as he was with loanees so I don't think you can draw any parallels there. All will be forgotten if we win a couple of games

It may just be possible that a left winger who suited the bill for Curle wasn't available in January?
It may just be that maybe we talked to people about joining in January but circumstances/finances/requests/timings just weren't right for either club or player?
Maybe targets or possibles just told us point blank to do one....?
I don't know anything that others don't here don't get me wrong, but there are a number of possible reasons why we didn't bolster in January....probably not least the three clowns holding the purse strings.

If there was no way Curle could get his business for new players done in the window then Loan signings are all he has left at his disposal...why on earth get on his back about that?
He's signing players we need on loan and only time will show if they're "up for the fight" but comparisons to Abbott & Kavanagh are a bit harsh....both of those would be trying to sign more central midfielders to play at left back.

He is still battling with the legacy of last manager and his signings he has Big Troy sat on bench or in stands who got a two year deal despite wonky knees for ffs clogging money up
He had a lot of positions to fill last year and did a decent job bringing better players into a very very poor squad

next season players should be easier to get through the door as they will be looking at us as a team that at least flirted with play offs and not the conference

I like the ambition of at least trying to get the likes of Liddle ect..

This summer is the big one two or three good signings in right positions and we will be looking strong

If your a player after a new club Carlisle is not attractive, Curle may not want to admit it but our location has most likely caused us problems in the market, a lot of player in January also would have thought that Carlisle is still in disrepair after the floods as well, rebuilding is a far longer job than people think, look at porstmouth, Plymouth, Tranmere,hartlepool. all stable league 1 and higher clubs a few years ago and all of these clubs have either gone down further than league 2 or got stuck in the league .

On the plus side it's given MRF something to twine about. I don't think I could live myself if I didn't have any of his rantings to read about.

Think people (MRF) have a seriously short memory....
Regardless of how the season is petering out, remember that last year & the year before we were shipping 3,4,5 goals a game virtually, on top of that if the opposition scored we sunk to a big defeat with zero fight...we no longer do that, although it's not been transferred into victories we certainly have guts now and we've requently fought back from losing positions...
We currently have an inconsistent squad, but if you've not grasped that players play at this level mostly because they're inconsistent, then I don't know what you've been watching.

I think regardless of the last few games of this season, we need to keep a grip on things and realise just how far we've come given the situation Curle took on.
With the addition of 3-4 players in key positions and offloading 3-4 bigger earners I think we're in a pretty optimistic position for once just off the playoffs.
Talking about calling for the managers head at this stage makes us worse than the barcode idiots and they want to change manager more than they change their underpants.

Its the bottom league ffs we have fkd up a promising position.. im not happy with just mid table.. weve now gone massively backwards.. i couldnt give two hoots about next season ...the chance is there now to get things back up the league. This division is shite and still we are failing to capitalise on.other results week after week. Call me harsh but i have higher ambitions than being stuck in mid table of a crap division.

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I'm with you-mid table in what is a very mediocre basement league is very disappointing after getting into a good position around Xmas.The club is surely better than this.


We were in the mid 40s numbers wise last time we acquired a dependency for short term loans and it was like a revolving door.

The teams in this division that do well are settled with a couple of decent loan additions.

Laffy wrote:
Add shit-stirrer to the CV.

Well if you are happy to settle for ordinary or mediocrity then crack on-it's all about being the best we can be as far as I'm concerned.Maybe it was the disruption of the floods but for 3 months,we have just not been good enough.

Thus far,the fans have been solidly behind the team and crowds have held up.Monday will be interesting as we face a team flattening all before it-if we win,we might get a bit of confidence from it and rescue things.If we lose,it's goodnight Vienna for this season in my view and start reshaping for next year

Its a question for few folk i guess on monday (including myself although that depends if i can get out of work earlier).. do they go or leave it.Its been piss poor recently and gone dreadfully backwards.

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Laffy wrote:

Well let's continue with the revolving door and sack Curle as was alluded to earlier in this thread. Quite how that makes the situation magically better only you pair know.

I'm not settling for mid table, I'd like us to be top of the premier league. But it's not going to happen overnight, nor is League 2 suddenly going to become a playground for consistent footballers/teams.
Wetting your pants about a run of draws?
I reiterate my earlier point that these would have been defeats very recently.
We're short of a couple of players but still we're in the first season we've been comfortable for years and still people kick off about ambition?
Ok the board are stale, the team is stuttering but until the boardroom changes we knew already this would be the case.
After 30yrs of watching us it's hard not to notice that this is generally how it is in lower league clubs, so unless you can pull that 'pot' you don't have out Laffy and change things at board level then the inconsistent lower league rumble will continue as per the last 30 years.
Starting a panic while near the playoff spots is a bit OTT is all.

Seeing a tin pot outfit like accrington doing much better than us on a shoestring and tiny fan base really grates on me while some are just happy with "average lets survive relegation and consolidate"

I wanted and expected us to be competing in the top 7 after xmas but its been a bottle job.

Is 3 wins in nearly half a season no reason to panic?

Are fans going to pay and watch drab football for the rest of the season and just say ok and accept.

Failure to build on momentum in january is nothing short of piss poor from the club.




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I didnt know your Indian tyre factory was sponsoring the cricket world cup pal. Should see if theyll invest in the blues

markredfox73 wrote:
I'm sure Leicester being above everyone else in the prem really grates in the other 'big teams' too, but it's football, it happens.

Would you still be such a bed wetter if we had never got close to the playoff places this season and had openly said we were going for a mid table consolidation job ?

Conversely from you I see us making a go at the playoffs to be ambition, however for whatever reason it hasn't worked out, the teams form has dropped and players we relied on early in the season (mainly Jabo) have gone off the boil.

We now have a solid base to build on next season, and we will also be rid of the rest of Kav's super contracts. If last summer is anything to go by Curle will spend it well and improve the team.

So I will be happy if we finish in the top half this season, I'll be happier if we finish higher than that. But I won't spazz out if X club finished above us despite spending less.

Nowt to do with leicester.. this isnt premier league.. with millions to bum on players.

I wouldnt say theres anything solid to build on ....the form guide says otherwise...our form is relegation form ..

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markredfox73 wrote:
So what do we do then ? Get to the summer and bin our whole squad off because we hit a bit of poor form ? Because obviously bringing in masses of players every season has worked in the past hasn't it ?

The Leicester thing was a comparison, in that relative to the rest of their league they have spent little and are doing well. The same relative to the rest of L2 Accrington have spent little and are doing well. If you couldn't see that I don't think it's possible to have a reasoned debate with you.

Thats what i am wondering will end up happening... he will end up starting again regardless.

So if we fail to win any of our remaining games which is possible would you question if he is the right man for the job next season.

How many points at this stage from jan 2015 to end of march 2015 had we got compared to this seasons total. Anyone care to have a look


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Of course it's possible that we'll fail to win any of our remaining games, but it's not going to happen.

It's also possible that we'll win all 9 of our remaining games, but again it's not going to happen.

Anyway so which 5 out of the 6 would you pick?

At present would only put Comley and Hope in and let Pedro come on as sub on.monday.. go back to 3-5-2


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markredfox73 wrote:
Jan 15 - March 15 our record was 5 wins, 2 draws, 8 losses. Giving us 17 points.

Jan 16- March 16 we have recorded 3 wins, 8 draws, 4 losses. Giving is 17 points.

That doesn't include the Oxford game on 28/3/15 (2-1 defeat). So if we draw or win against Bristol rovers we will have a better record than last year.

It's also probably good to note that last season we scored 56, conceded 74.

So far this season we have scored 55 conceded 53.

And even if we lose every game till the end of the season we will still have more points than last year.

So we have improved.

So really the form is no better than this time last year.

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markredfox73 wrote:
Other than that we used to lose rather than draw, and concede heavily, no

I see the loans this time very much different to the previous managers scatter gun approaches.
We are only 6 points of the play offs with a game in hand, and safe from the drop, so surely Curle is right to try and alleviate the poor run. It cant do any harm.
Loans can work for those trying to prove they are ready for their parent clubs.
Would have been far better in January accepted, but maybe the cash is not there.

Cash has been available for months, Curle has acknowledged this himself in interviews. It's been his choice not to use it, again he has said several times he wouldn't waste it on players who wouldn't improve us.

Several 'targets' didn't appear, but names have never been discussed (Liddle the exception, which merely resulted in Chesterfield signing him!).

Okay, but no deals were taken over the line for what seems like a variety of reasons.
The team is very average as someone said earlier that no one would be beating the door down to sign any of the players.
Perhaps he is after that little bit of x factor. Who knows, but still think these loans are worth a gamble, unlike Abbot and Costellos.

CCU wrote:
I much prefer his approach to it than previous managers.

I only just remembered that we had Comminges, Paul Black and Ben Parker in the past. I thought I'd blocked that out

Still remember Tom Cruise. God, and Kevin Rose

We had a player called God. Wow.